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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #300 on: Thu, 10 October 2013, 09:40:58 »
There is any chance to support the new Kitten Paw controller for Filco 104 keys from bpiphany?
I've one and I can help with testing  ;)

Yes there is.  I will look into it.   Once I find the details of how the IO is connected to the matrix, it is practically a done deal.

This is the page with all the details: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Kitten_Paw
If I can help you, send me a message  ;)

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #301 on: Sat, 12 October 2013, 14:16:47 »
Three things:

1) I'm close to supporting Kitten Paw.  Need testers.

2) For the four of you that downloaded the new keymapper, you are going to want to redownload it.  I updated the file just now.  There was a bug with the copy/paste that would permanently combine layers.

3) I made a tutorial about the new layers, and should hopefully explain how you tap/double-tap to use them.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #302 on: Sat, 12 October 2013, 14:50:55 »
This thread has moved beyond the epsilon. Great work qaz!

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« Reply #303 on: Mon, 14 October 2013, 03:02:47 »
WOW!!!

Wonderful  ;)


1) I'm close to supporting Kitten Paw.  Need testers.


I'm here  ;)
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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #304 on: Mon, 14 October 2013, 07:36:39 »
I'm here  ;)

Oh I thought you said your Filco was busted.  I'll make another file.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #305 on: Mon, 14 October 2013, 17:30:46 »
Quick question, I have been thinking about making a hand/direct wired custom board. I will most likely use a teensy as a controller, will I be able to use your software to program my board?
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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #306 on: Mon, 14 October 2013, 17:50:15 »
Quick question, I have been thinking about making a hand/direct wired custom board. I will most likely use a teensy as a controller, will I be able to use your software to program my board?

My code works with the Teensy.  However it needs to be configured to each piece of hardware.  So you would need me to make a special version just for you.  If you would really prefer to use my keymaping tool instead of compiling a custom Hasu build, I might be convinced to make one for you.

I've considered making a version just for direct wired customs.  Basically it would just be a big grid.  The prerequisite would be to wire your board similar to how the Phantom is wired.  I kind of doubt anyone would actually do that, though.


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« Reply #307 on: Mon, 14 October 2013, 18:02:35 »
Hmmm, well, when the time comes to make the board, I'll go ahead and give you a message and see if we can work something out.
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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #308 on: Thu, 17 October 2013, 03:24:04 »
Hi metalliqaz, there is any news for this project?  ;)

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #309 on: Fri, 18 October 2013, 06:56:53 »
Added new version to OP with Kitten Paw support.  Thanks for your help, Al3xG!

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« Reply #310 on: Fri, 18 October 2013, 08:51:16 »
Added new version to OP with Kitten Paw support.  Thanks for your help, Al3xG!

It was a pleasure for me to help you  ;)

Very well done!!!

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #311 on: Fri, 18 October 2013, 08:55:30 »
Wait, so your firmware and keymapper support the 32U2??

I will soon have a Black Petal and a Pegasus Hoof, if you need a tester for those.
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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #312 on: Fri, 18 October 2013, 09:01:26 »
Wait, so your firmware and keymapper support the 32U2??

I will soon have a Black Petal and a Pegasus Hoof, if you need a tester for those.

Yes, it work flawlessly in my Kitten Paw  ;)

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #313 on: Fri, 18 October 2013, 09:57:14 »
Wait, so your firmware and keymapper support the 32U2??

I will soon have a Black Petal and a Pegasus Hoof, if you need a tester for those.

It does support it, just had to remove the built-in interactive debugger to make it fit in RAM.

Thanks, I will start adding support for those and you can have the rough draft when you're ready to test :D

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #314 on: Fri, 18 October 2013, 22:51:14 »
Updated with new version.  While testing the kitty paw support, discovered bug with layer support.  I think it's pretty solid now.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #315 on: Tue, 22 October 2013, 08:45:19 »
New version in the OP.
More layers, way more space for macros, and a new feature: Scroll Lock disables the Windows key.
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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #316 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 21:12:22 »
I will soon have a Black Petal and a Pegasus Hoof, if you need a tester for those.

New beta version posted in OP:


Epsilon, Filco HID, and Phantom are good.
The rest are Beta and need testing.  Use only if you have a hardware reset-to-boot method handy (reed switch on bpiphany's boards)

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #317 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 21:22:25 »
I will soon have a Black Petal and a Pegasus Hoof, if you need a tester for those.

New beta version posted in OP:
(Attachment Link)

Epsilon, Filco HID, and Phantom are good.
The rest are Beta and need testing.  Use only if you have a hardware reset-to-boot method handy (reed switch on bpiphany's boards)

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #318 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 21:43:26 »
... aaand I forgot to update my setup script, so that version was missing most of the new files. *facepalm*
I fixed the .zip file and re-uploaded it.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #319 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 21:50:17 »
This is quite excellent work qaz

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« Reply #320 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 21:52:07 »
This is quite excellent work qaz

Thanks but we should see if these work first  :))

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #321 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 22:08:24 »
Tagging this thread - going to give that tool a shot on my Filco tomorrow :D

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #322 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 22:45:20 »
Thanks but we should see if these work first  :))
I have none of these boards with me to test if they work, but if they do as it should, then ti is quite excellent.

Some suggestions though:
1. This is the correct 7bit layout: http://i.imgur.com/FhpbJbW.png

2. I recommend only having one layout per PCB for those PCBs supporitng more than one layout,; this would be the layout supporting maximum number of keys; this is specific to GH60 and Phantom at the moment. So for the Phantom it would be the 7bit layout, and for GH60, it would be the GH60 layout: http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=41464.0;attach=19220;image

You can then have a graphic like this in the help to explain which keys to map for the various layouts as it is not feasible to have layouts for each possible combination.
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I can make a similar graphic for the GH60 and other keyboards you want to support.

3. Please add support for the ErgoDox and GHPad, when it happens. I understand if you want to iron out the support for the keyboards you already have done first.

4. If possible, have a giant matrix (20x20 maybe, IDK) which can be used as a generic to map any keyboard using the Teensy or ATMEGA32, as long as the user knows what matrix he has used. This would be great for those doing direct wiring keyboards.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #323 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 22:47:08 »
Yes, support for the GHpad would be amazing!
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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #324 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 22:55:36 »
Oh and I did sort of hint/suggest this earlier qaz, your tool is becoming very very good and I would recommend making another thread for it and a cool new name xi (ξ), which is the symbol for universal set.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #325 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 23:06:05 »
Okay.  Soon
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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #326 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 23:07:48 »
I will soon have a Black Petal and a Pegasus Hoof, if you need a tester for those.

New beta version posted in OP:
(Attachment Link)

Epsilon, Filco HID, and Phantom are good.
The rest are Beta and need testing.  Use only if you have a hardware reset-to-boot method handy (reed switch on bpiphany's boards)

Pardon the noob question.  This requires that I have replaced my Filco controller with one of the custom controllers, correct?

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #327 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 23:07:48 »
I'd recommend a 4x6 matrix as the final GHPad would allow that and using my suggestion number 2, just my 2 cents.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #328 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 23:08:12 »
I will soon have a Black Petal and a Pegasus Hoof, if you need a tester for those.

New beta version posted in OP:
(Attachment Link)

Epsilon, Filco HID, and Phantom are good.
The rest are Beta and need testing.  Use only if you have a hardware reset-to-boot method handy (reed switch on bpiphany's boards)

Pardon the noob question.  This requires that I have replaced my Filco controller with one of the custom controllers, correct?

Yes.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #329 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 23:10:00 »
I'd recommend a 4x6 matrix as the final GHPad would allow that and using my suggestion number 2, just my 2 cents.

does it?  Then what is this? http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1079844#msg1079844

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #330 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 23:11:29 »
I'd recommend a 4x6 matrix as the final GHPad would allow that and using my suggestion number 2, just my 2 cents.

does it?  Then what is this? http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1079844#msg1079844

I believe this is a newer version of that pcb: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38963.msg1080699#msg1080699

I think you have the choice when you build it.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #331 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 23:14:56 »
The prototype we are getting done is for a fixed layout, the one you showed qaz, however the final version is going to be based on the PCB swill linked. There are still some change being done to it, to allow expansions from a GH60 and SmallFry KB as well as having it standalone, along with the ability to have a 4x6 or 4x5 keypad with many many layout options.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #332 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 00:54:21 »
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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #333 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 11:04:01 »
Okay, I should probably say something about the two "undocumented features"

(1) On TKL boards, when Num Lock is on, the number row registers as numpad keys.  This allows you to enter Alt+num combinations for special characters, because windows only seems to pay attention when you use the numpad.
(2) When Scroll Lock is on, the windows keys are disabled.

These are just things I find useful.  Probably should have written that down somewhere in the tool...

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #334 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:00:41 »
Some suggestions though:
1. This is the correct 7bit layout: http://i.imgur.com/FhpbJbW.png

2. I recommend only having one layout per PCB for those PCBs supporitng more than one layout,; this would be the layout supporting maximum number of keys; this is specific to GH60 and Phantom at the moment. So for the Phantom it would be the 7bit layout, and for GH60, it would be the GH60 layout: http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=41464.0;attach=19220;image

You can then have a graphic like this in the help to explain which keys to map for the various layouts as it is not feasible to have layouts for each possible combination.
(Attachment Link)

I can make a similar graphic for the GH60 and other keyboards you want to support.

I prefer it the way it is.

3. Please add support for the ErgoDox and GHPad, when it happens. I understand if you want to iron out the support for the keyboards you already have done first.

Added support for the GHpad.  Doubt I'll be able to support the Ergodox.  It's very difficult to get this stuff working well when I don't own most of these boards.  Even with the excellent feedback I'm getting from Al3x, I'm struggling to work out the kinks in the Paw.

4. If possible, have a giant matrix (20x20 maybe, IDK) which can be used as a generic to map any keyboard using the Teensy or ATMEGA32, as long as the user knows what matrix he has used. This would be great for those doing direct wiring keyboards.

I postulated about something like that before but it would require people to wire up the boards in a specific way and I just don't think anyone would use it.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #335 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:09:17 »
I can help you with the ErgoDox as much as possible and however amount you want.

Regarding the layouts, can you correct the 7-bit layout?

And finally about the 20x20 matrix, isn't the point of it that the users can wire it up anyway and set the keys they need based on their matrix with a limitation of 20 keys in any row or matrix?

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #336 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:11:12 »
How realistic would it be to have a Mac version of this?

Should this theoretically work if I run it from a Windows VM (using something like VMware Fusion or Parallels)?

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #337 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:14:28 »
How realistic would it be to have a Mac version of this?

Should this theoretically work if I run it from a Windows VM (using something like VMware Fusion or Parallels)?

It's written in pure python, it can run on Windows, Mac, and Linux.  I just package it up as a Windows exe because that's the easy way to get it running for the general public.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #338 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:24:26 »
How realistic would it be to have a Mac version of this?

Should this theoretically work if I run it from a Windows VM (using something like VMware Fusion or Parallels)?

It's written in pure python, it can run on Windows, Mac, and Linux.  I just package it up as a Windows exe because that's the easy way to get it running for the general public.

NICE!!!  I like the way your roll.  :)  Do you know if there is a Mac equivalent of Flip, or would I need to do it on windows?
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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #339 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:40:13 »
How realistic would it be to have a Mac version of this?

Should this theoretically work if I run it from a Windows VM (using something like VMware Fusion or Parallels)?

It's written in pure python, it can run on Windows, Mac, and Linux.  I just package it up as a Windows exe because that's the easy way to get it running for the general public.

NICE!!!  I like the way your roll.  :)  Do you know if there is a Mac equivalent of Flip, or would I need to do it on windows?
(context: http://www.atmel.com/tools/FLIP.aspx)

What you use to program it depends on your keyboard and your platform.  On windows, it is Flip for most boards and Teensy Programmer for the Phantom.  On Linux, the AVR tools are well known.  I don't know about Mac, to be honest.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #340 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 22:42:48 »
Found a bug.  If null keys were in the layout, they would fill up the scancode buffer and never be removed, eventually rendering the board useless!  :eek:
New beta version posted to OP.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #341 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 13:08:30 »
I'm happy to report that my Epsilon arrived today!


Episilon by cpkey, on Flickr


By the way, what number is this one? I remember earlier in the thread that they were numbered and I was just curious which one I received.  :cool:

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #342 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 13:41:03 »
All of them except mine and SmallFry's have a group of dots on the edge of the PCB.  I think that one has 4, but I don't remember exactly.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #343 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 14:43:17 »
All of them except mine and SmallFry's have a group of dots on the edge of the PCB.  I think that one has 4, but I don't remember exactly.

You are correct sir.


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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #344 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 14:53:59 »
How realistic would it be to have a Mac version of this?

Should this theoretically work if I run it from a Windows VM (using something like VMware Fusion or Parallels)?

It's written in pure python, it can run on Windows, Mac, and Linux.  I just package it up as a Windows exe because that's the easy way to get it running for the general public.

NICE!!!  I like the way your roll.  :)  Do you know if there is a Mac equivalent of Flip, or would I need to do it on windows?
(context: http://www.atmel.com/tools/FLIP.aspx)

Mac AVR - http://www.obdev.at/products/crosspack/index.html
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"brew install avrdude" if you use Homebrew (which you should :)

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #345 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 15:06:25 »
How realistic would it be to have a Mac version of this?

Should this theoretically work if I run it from a Windows VM (using something like VMware Fusion or Parallels)?

It's written in pure python, it can run on Windows, Mac, and Linux.  I just package it up as a Windows exe because that's the easy way to get it running for the general public.

NICE!!!  I like the way your roll.  :)  Do you know if there is a Mac equivalent of Flip, or would I need to do it on windows?
(context: http://www.atmel.com/tools/FLIP.aspx)

Mac AVR - http://www.obdev.at/products/crosspack/index.html
or
"brew install avrdude" if you use Homebrew (which you should :)

Sweet, thanks for following up on this.  I have a HID Liberation Device coming for my TKL, so I will be able to test this very soon.  Thanks for pointing me at that...

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #346 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 15:08:41 »
For the HID Lib, tmk_keyboard and avrdude is how I programmed mine, which I'm sending to you. :)


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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #347 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 15:13:45 »
For the HID Lib, tmk_keyboard and avrdude is how I programmed mine, which I'm sending to you. :)

Have you tried metalliqaz's keymap tool with your HID?  I will probably play with both...

Haha, I didn't see that you were the one who answered.  :P  Thanks for the HID btw.   ;D

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #348 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:32:28 »
I've only used tmk_keyboard.

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Re: The Epsilon Keyboard
« Reply #349 on: Wed, 20 November 2013, 19:08:44 »
I would recommend making another thread for it and a cool new name xi (ξ), which is the symbol for universal set.

Got a big new update and I think I'm going to do this.  This thread is getting stale.