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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #150 on: Sun, 10 November 2013, 17:35:48 »
Personally I'm going to move the numlock key to the top left corner, because I don't want to accidentally press it in game

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #151 on: Sun, 10 November 2013, 17:53:59 »
Personally I'm going to move the numlock key to the top left corner, because I don't want to accidentally press it in game

Ain't nothing wrong with that.  If you want I can give you a custom binary that moves the NumLock LED up there.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #152 on: Sun, 10 November 2013, 18:02:55 »
Personally I'm going to move the numlock key to the top left corner, because I don't want to accidentally press it in game

Ain't nothing wrong with that.  If you want I can give you a custom binary that moves the NumLock LED up there.

Won't need that. It'll be off the entire time(numlock on my 75% makes right side of board a numpad) and I'll make them be the keys I need them to be

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #153 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:39:26 »
Came in.  Except for the missing silkscreen on the back, they look pretty good.



Can't believe its missing the back printing, though.  Going to be a pain in the butt to assemble.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #154 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:44:16 »
That looks awesome! Is there anyway I could acquire a PCB?
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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #155 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:45:05 »
That looks awesome! Is there anyway I could acquire a PCB?

Yes, I'm pretty sure I will have extra.  I'll add you to the list.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #156 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:47:18 »
The missing silkscreen, a mistake on your end or theirs?

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #157 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:47:45 »
That looks awesome! Is there anyway I could acquire a PCB?

Yes, I'm pretty sure I will have extra.  I'll add you to the list.

Thank you! I don't need components or switches and I'll just mill myself a case. So just the PCB.
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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #158 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:51:46 »
The missing silkscreen, a mistake on your end or theirs?

Not quite sure.  I can't go back and look at the layer setup.  I know I uploaded it, though.  I'm still going to complain.


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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #159 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:53:03 »
Oops?



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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #160 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:55:20 »
That was my first thought JDCarpe, but I checked the order...
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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #161 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:56:46 »
That was my first thought JDCarpe, but I checked the order...
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I would contact their customer service. They probably just messed it up, then. I bet they will make you replacements.
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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #162 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:59:32 »
Yeah, contact their CC, might delay things if they ask for the original set back.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #163 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 09:02:21 »
It's a prototype, I'm going to solder one of 'em up to make sure the thing works before I contact them.  No point in reprinting a bad design  ;D

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #164 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 15:35:35 »
Who needs silkscreening? :D
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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #165 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:05:49 »
Worst fear confirmed.  The board contains a design defect.  I left the crystal ungrounded.  $150 down the drain :facepalm:

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #166 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:08:58 »
Worst fear confirmed.  The board contains a design defect.  I left the crystal ungrounded.  $150 down the drain :facepalm:

Been there, done that. If you want to absorb some of that cost with corrected PCBs, I'm willing to pay more.
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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #167 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:15:23 »
Worst fear confirmed.  The board contains a design defect.  I left the crystal ungrounded.  $150 down the drain :facepalm:

Oh shaite! We could quick-fix it? Expose ground-plane near by and use a small jumper?

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #168 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:22:48 »
Worst fear confirmed.  The board contains a design defect.  I left the crystal ungrounded.  $150 down the drain :facepalm:

Oh shaite! We could quick-fix it? Expose ground-plane near by and use a small jumper?

Luckily the filled planes are GND.  I just went downstairs and scraped off the mask and tried to short the pads to the plane with a solder blob.  I think it worked, but it's ugly as hell.  I'm going to keep building this first board to see if I can get it working.  *sigh*

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #169 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:23:08 »
Worst fear confirmed.  The board contains a design defect.  I left the crystal ungrounded.  $150 down the drain :facepalm:

Oh shaite! We could quick-fix it? Expose ground-plane near by and use a small jumper?


Looks like it might be possible to carefully scrape off the mask and bridge over with some solder... assuming this is the crystal here, but it looks like the right footprint.
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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #170 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:25:07 »
I am so confused as a person who has never done anything close to this kind of work

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #171 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 19:29:16 »
Luckily the filled planes are GND.  I just went downstairs and scraped off the mask and tried to short the pads to the plane with a solder blob.  I think it worked, but it's ugly as hell.  I'm going to keep building this first board to see if I can get it working.  *sigh*
It should work as long as the filled plane is grounded, don't worry :)

As for aesthetics, although important, this is a prototype, so don't stress yourself.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #172 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:03:01 »
Don't worry I got this.  I'm just a perfectionist so this upsets me.

I just programmed it, let's see how the software works...

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #173 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:10:47 »
Don't worry I got this.  I'm just a perfectionist so this upsets me.

I just programmed it, let's see how the software works...

How major is it?

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #174 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:14:50 »
Seems to be working, although clearly I have a bug in my software somewhere.  Alright well ultimately not so bad.  I guess now I wait until my plate comes in, then I can test the backlighting and debug the software.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #175 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:33:18 »
7bit's R5 presents an opportunity... The ergodox kit has a bunch of the vertical keys.  2x HONEY/NUMPAD (21*2=$42) and 1x HONEY/ERGOBASE ($29) would be able to completely cover two qazpads for $36 each.  Of course, all kinds of other kits would be desirable to fill out the top row with meaningful legends, and that gets expensive quick.  Could take some from a HONEY/STANDARD if you were going to get that anyway, I guess.  HONEY/MOD100, HONEY/MODEXTRA100, HONEY/CURSORBASE, and HONEY/CURSOR/R3 would be useful also.

I'm ordering some R5.  If anyone wants to split an ERGOBASE with me, let me know now and I will add it to my order and send it out with the PCB.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #176 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:37:45 »
7bit's R5 presents an opportunity... The ergodox kit has a bunch of the vertical keys.  2x HONEY/NUMPAD (21*2=$42) and 1x HONEY/ERGOBASE ($29) would be able to completely cover two qazpads for $36 each.  Of course, all kinds of other kits would be desirable to fill out the top row with meaningful legends, and that gets expensive quick.  Could take some from a HONEY/STANDARD if you were going to get that anyway, I guess.  HONEY/MOD100, HONEY/MODEXTRA100, HONEY/CURSORBASE, and HONEY/CURSOR/R3 would be useful also.

I'm ordering some R5.  If anyone wants to split an ERGOBASE with me, let me know now and I will add it to my order and send it out with the PCB.

What do they look like? Right now I'm buying a toxic set which has two extra x2 pieces

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #177 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 15:54:27 »
They are SA profile, Gray blank.  Actually now I'm starting to have doubts.  They are just so expensive!  I ordered some DSA and DCS blanks from SP that should be enough.  Oh well.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #178 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:43:23 »
They are SA profile, Gray blank.  Actually now I'm starting to have doubts.  They are just so expensive!  I ordered some DSA and DCS blanks from SP that should be enough.  Oh well.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #179 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:52:44 »
They are SA profile, Gray blank.  Actually now I'm starting to have doubts.  They are just so expensive!  I ordered some DSA and DCS blanks from SP that should be enough.  Oh well.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #180 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:59:34 »
They are SA profile, Gray blank.  Actually now I'm starting to have doubts.  They are just so expensive!  I ordered some DSA and DCS blanks from SP that should be enough.  Oh well.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #181 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 23:01:07 »
Found another error  :'(
It appears I managed to confuse myself by looking at the bottom layer (which is flipped).  Sooo.... now my transistors are installed upside-down with more solder blobs, lol
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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #182 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 23:13:01 »
Found another error  :'(
It appears I managed to confuse myself by looking at the bottom layer (which is flipped).  Sooo.... now my transistors are installed upside-down with more solder blobs, lol
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Oh no! I hope you can still get working. Might not be pretty but it's only the prototype. :)
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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #183 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 23:15:15 »
Yeah it's together just not pretty.  At least the software works, though.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #184 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 23:27:51 »
Are the PCB's that are being sent out for everybody else going to be fixed?

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #185 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 23:29:53 »
Are the PCB's that are being sent out for everybody else going to be fixed?

Using unconventional soldering techniques I can get it to work.  I have emailed the company that made them about the missing silkscreen.  Haven't heard back yet.  I will try to get them to re-run with the v1.2 design.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #186 on: Fri, 15 November 2013, 23:48:22 »
Quick and dirty backlighting modes with no caps and the pad outside of a case.


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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #187 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:01:57 »
Quick and dirty backlighting modes with no caps and the pad outside of a case.


Looks good!

Do you have extra clears I can buy from you instead of buying a big pack from mk.com? Also do you have any extra stabs I can buy?

Can't wait to be able to make something with my own hands.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #188 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:04:13 »
Sorry I don't have any extra switches and I'm running really low on stabilizers :(

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #189 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:06:37 »
Sorry I don't have any extra switches and I'm running really low on stabilizers :(

That's fine. I plan to sell the extras on classifieds anyways. I'll just buy some costar stabs from wasd

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #190 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 00:54:40 »
I'm not very happy with how the "Case" came out.  Just didn't work out the way I pictured it.

However, the layout is working just perfectly.  The thumb switches are in the perfect spot and I think it strikes the perfect balance between plenty of switches and compact size.
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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #191 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 01:17:36 »
It might not look very Apple-esque but it does look a bit like a bathroom scale, so you did okay. Piqued my interest.

As to interests ... since dedicated arrow keys are so incredibly uncommon on 60% boards ... WHAT THE **** IS THAT YELLOW AND PURPLE THING?!?!

...and can I have the parts to make one of those?

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #192 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 08:24:58 »
That is an Epsilon.  It's a 75%. They are all gone.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #193 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 13:56:14 »
It might not look very Apple-esque but it does look a bit like a bathroom scale, so you did okay. Piqued my interest.

As to interests ... since dedicated arrow keys are so incredibly uncommon on 60% boards ... WHAT THE **** IS THAT YELLOW AND PURPLE THING?!?!

...and can I have the parts to make one of those?

...For science, of course...

How is that a 60%? It has a num row and a function row. Its a 75%. And all 75%'s have arrow keys

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #194 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 14:23:22 »
It's hard to tell from a partial photo.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #195 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 14:34:17 »
Get your paypal ready guys.  Now that I have some holiday time off, I'm building these up.  You will be getting PMs from me soon.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #196 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 14:34:53 »
Who's making the case?

also pm me last, still need to sell some iron masks then I'll have sufficient funds
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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #197 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 14:38:07 »
If noone steps up to build a case, I will design one.

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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #198 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 14:42:02 »
Get your paypal ready guys.  Now that I have some holiday time off, I'm building these up.  You will be getting PMs from me soon.


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Re: Prototyping: Custom extended numpad (31 key)
« Reply #199 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 14:48:20 »
How much will the pcb+controller soldered on cost?

And you still have my keycaps on hand right  :p