Ebay Feedback extortion policy

[The_Ed]

I received a defective (damaged) item, which happens quite often. I expect all sellers of defective items to pay return shipping or just refund outright as it is not my fault as the buyer so I shouldn't be out any money. He refused stating his policy of buyer pays return shipping (I don't consider defective items a "return"). I gave him a negative feedback at this point because he was being an *******. I escalated the case and won my full $10 back. He reported me for ebay feedback extortion after that and had my negative feedback removed from his account. Ebay also sent me an email saying I had broken their policy.

[...]
Your eBay account was recently involved in activity that violated our Feedback extortion policy.

This recent account activity doesn't follow our guidelines.



---About the eBay Feedback extortion policy---
Buyers aren't allowed to threaten to use Feedback or detailed seller ratings in an attempt to force a seller into providing:
-- Goods or services that weren't included in the original item's description or purchase price
-- A refund
-- A return

Sellers aren't allowed to require buyers to leave positive Feedback or detailed seller ratings, or to revise existing Feedback, in exchange for either receiving the purchased item or issuing a full or partial refund. Sellers also can't offer monetary compensation, an additional item, or other goods or services not in the original listing to the buyer if they will either leave positive Feedback or specific detailed seller ratings, or revise existing Feedback.

This applies to all Feedback, whether before, during, or after delivery of the items or services described in the original listing.

To learn more about Feedback extortion, go to:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/feedback-extortion.html

We understand that you may have been unaware of this eBay policy, and we invite you to learn how to keep your experiences on eBay pleasant and successful.Thank you for your cooperation.

Thanks,

eBay
[...]

WTF?! That was the FIRST negative I have ever given on ebay. Why can the sellers just report buyers and get their negatives removed? He deserved the negative feedback as that is the experience I had with him. It still says I've left feedback for him even though it's been removed, so I can't give him the same negative feedback again.

I read the policy and I did not threaten him to make him do anything. I have not broken any policy. Should I call someone at ebay to get my feedback reinstated? Having a policy violation on my account can't be good either, so I should also try to get that removed if I call. This is just so stupid and wrong. Negative feedback shouldn't just be wiped from a sellers account if they click a report button...

EDIT: He has 100% feedback again. I wonder if he has had negatives removed before.

[Tym]

I agree with you, what I hate is how you can't leave negative feedback as a seller, because I get knobs who don't pay for 2 weeks and then ask 24hours after payment "Where is my ****ing package?!?!" And instantly leave me negative feedback.

What can I do? Nothing.

[PointyFox]

Try calling PayPal if eBay doesn't work.  eBay owns PayPal.

[The_Ed]

What can I do? Nothing.

Well apparently you can have their feedback removed.

[The_Ed]

Try calling PayPal if eBay doesn't work.  eBay owns PayPal.

I already got my money back. It's the feedback being removed and policy violation that are the problem now.

[Tym]

What can I do? Nothing.

Well apparently you can have their feedback removed.

Not for me

[The_Ed]

What can I do? Nothing.

Well apparently you can have their feedback removed.

Not for me

You're telling me that the Chinese can have their negative feedback removed, but not the Brits?

[Tym]

Mine was a while ago, maybe they have seriously made it easier? I don't know. eBay and PayPal are a pain in the arse, unfortunately they are all we have (in popular circulation) so we have to live with it.

Now listen to this and be happy

[RabRhee]

Did you mention leaving feedback at all in your messages ? If you referred to negative feedback at all in a message to the seller, they can claim it as extortion. If you didn't, its possible they faked something to suggest you did. I would think they only count official ebay messages as evidence but you never know for sure.

[PointyFox]

Did you mention leaving feedback at all in your messages ? If you referred to negative feedback at all in a message to the seller, they can claim it as extortion. If you didn't, its possible they faked something to suggest you did. I would think they only count official ebay messages as evidence but you never know for sure.

^ This.  On a side note, I bought a rubber dome numpad for $40, thinking it was mechanical because the seller said it was a "rare clicky numpad".  eBay decided in the seller's favor because ""clicky" is a subjective term".

[The_Ed]

Did you mention leaving feedback at all in your messages ? If you referred to negative feedback at all in a message to the seller, they can claim it as extortion. If you didn't, its possible they faked something to suggest you did. I would think they only count official ebay messages as evidence but you never know for sure.

In my 7 messages to him the only place I say anything about feedback is:

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I will likely have to open a paypal dispute to get my full $10 back as you want the defective wristpad back, but refuse to pay the return shipping. You will also be getting a negative feedback if it comes to that.

How is saying you'll give him a negative if you have to make a paypal dispute threatening him? To be in violation of the policy I have to have threatened him so that he'd do something.

[PointyFox]

Did you mention leaving feedback at all in your messages ? If you referred to negative feedback at all in a message to the seller, they can claim it as extortion. If you didn't, its possible they faked something to suggest you did. I would think they only count official ebay messages as evidence but you never know for sure.

In my 7 messages to him the only place I say anything about feedback is:

[...]
I will likely have to open a paypal dispute to get my full $10 back as you want the defective wristpad back, but refuse to pay the return shipping. You will also be getting a negative feedback if it comes to that.

How is saying you'll give him a negative if you have to make a paypal dispute threatening him? To be in violation of the policy I have to have threatened him so that he'd do something.

Yeah, I think that the "... You will also be getting a negative feedback..." line is to blame.  You could try explaining how you think it wasn't a threat.

[The_Ed]

The next 2 abridged messages:

him

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Please don't try to threaten to use feedback in an attempt to force the seller into providing a refund,let's follow the ebay return policy to get your full refund, OK? Thanks!

he doesn't sound like an ass when you abridge his messages...

me

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I have not threatened to use feedback to force you to do anything. Feedback is a summarized experience that someone had with you. I have had a bad experience with you, thus I gave you a negative feedback.

[RabRhee]

....You will also be getting a negative feedback if it comes to that.

I think it is just that phrase 'if it comes to that' which could be construed as being dependant on their actions. I doubt eBay read much more than that one line and decided it included veiled overtones. You know its not what you meant, we know, but they will just read that the way they want to.

[Endzone]

Yea, I think they went to that policy about 5 years ago.  But there is another side to that story too.  Like the OP, I would receive stuff damaged from these amateurish EBay sellers who DON'T BOTHER TO PACK STUFF RIGHT!!   And why don't they bother to pack stuff right?  Because they want to maximize their profits and skimping on shipping materials is one way to do it.  So, I always left negative feedback if an EBay seller sent me something that was damaged because they didn't pack it right.  And prior to the policy change, the seller would viciously retaliate against me.  I had a lady send me an IBM Model M that was in a used box and she just stuffed a few pieces of wadded up newspaper in the box.  It arrived damaged, and I gave her her first negative feedback.  She exploded on me because she had like 550 transactions with no negatives. 

The bottom line is this if you ask me.  EBay sellers do NOT pack stuff right because they want to save money.  They are rank amateurs when it comes to packing stuff.  So, I also say EBay feedback is a bunch of crap.  Few people are honest about the experience.  What I really want to know is how well are you going to pack the item I just bought?  I would say only in about 1 out of 5 times does a seller actually have the concern to pack an item correctly.   This is why I hate to do business on Ebay--not mention the things I've bought that had little "quirks" about them that the seller didn't tell me about.  I absolutely hate EBay.  And their customer service is so hard to contact.  If EBay had any balls, they would just add on an extra percentage for packing materials to the cost of the sale--new boxes, styrofoam peanuts, tape, lables, etc.  Then have feedback based on how well the item was packed.  But for some reason they don't want to do that and these rank amateurs prevail in their packing and shipping methods.  And yes, I worked in a shipping department for 2 years. 

[quickcrx702]

Sorry but that's part of the game.  I've been scammed about a dozen times as both a buyer and seller, and ebay seems to overwhelmingly be in favor of scammers.  I just average it in with all of the good deals that I get on ebay.  But I do feel your anger.  Back in 2006 or 2007, I had a guy in Seattle scam me out of $24, and ebay had/has a policy not to even investigate cases under $25.  The guy had the nerve to send me a FU what are you going to do about it email.  I was seriously so pissed that I considered driving a couple of states up, going to his residence, and either beating the guy into a coma or shooting his house up.  However, when I thought about the fact that the guy was probably some worthless loser, and would probably get killed eventually for being a lowlife and messing with someone in real life, I let it slide.

[Endzone]

Sorry but that's part of the game.  I've been scammed about a dozen times as both a buyer and seller, and ebay seems to overwhelmingly be in favor of scammers.  I just average it in with all of the good deals that I get on ebay.  But I do feel your anger.  Back in 2006 or 2007, I had a guy in Seattle scam me out of $24, and ebay had/has a policy not to even investigate cases under $25.  The guy had the nerve to send me a FU what are you going to do about it email.  I was seriously so pissed that I considered driving a couple of states up, going to his residence, and either beating the guy into a coma or shooting his house up.  However, when I thought about the fact that the guy was probably some worthless loser, and would probably get killed eventually for being a lowlife and messing with someone in real life, I let it slide.

Spending the rest of your life in jail over $24 seriously isn't worth it.  And you still wouldn't get the $24 back--haha.  Everybody reaps what they sow--believe me.  Leave the avenging up to the Lord God Almighty.  You made the right decision.  Nobody gets away with anything in this life for any reason.  Sometimes you just don't witness the reaping. 

[Leslieann]

I expect all sellers of defective items to pay return shipping or just refund outright as it is not my fault as the buyer so I shouldn't be out any money. He refused stating his policy of buyer pays return shipping

Based on the auction, which is a legal contract, he was well within his right to ask for return shipping shipping (see below for why), so your negative on him, should be null and void. While yes, your transaction stunk due to the shipper and your failure to read the auction/contract YOU agreed to, the seller got completely f@cked in this deal. He is out the product, shipping, and now you want to screw him some more on his feedback? Not one bit of this was his fault, so why should it effect his rating?


You agreed to the terms of return shipping when you bought it, it doesn't matter why. This is to protect sellers from fraud and is standard practice. Remember, he still has to pay to send you the new item to replace that one. Which means he could pay shipping twice, for an item you simply may have broken on purpose, didn't want or are trying to get a second for free (which is common).  Very few pay return postage, and usually it's only major corporations who get shipping discounts. Remember, most sellers on Ebay are just trying to eek out a living, or make some extra money, they aren't rich. Would you expect a local store you return an item to to pay for your gas? Why not your time as well?

[quickcrx702]

Sorry but that's part of the game.  I've been scammed about a dozen times as both a buyer and seller, and ebay seems to overwhelmingly be in favor of scammers.  I just average it in with all of the good deals that I get on ebay.  But I do feel your anger.  Back in 2006 or 2007, I had a guy in Seattle scam me out of $24, and ebay had/has a policy not to even investigate cases under $25.  The guy had the nerve to send me a FU what are you going to do about it email.  I was seriously so pissed that I considered driving a couple of states up, going to his residence, and either beating the guy into a coma or shooting his house up.  However, when I thought about the fact that the guy was probably some worthless loser, and would probably get killed eventually for being a lowlife and messing with someone in real life, I let it slide.

Spending the rest of your life in jail over $24 seriously isn't worth it.  And you still wouldn't get the $24 back--haha.  Everybody reaps what they sow--believe me.  Leave the avenging up to the Lord God Almighty.  You made the right decision.  Nobody gets away with anything in this life for any reason.  Sometimes you just don't witness the reaping. 

It wouldn't have been about the $24, it would have been about the FU what are you going to do about it email.  Either way I let it slide after calming down.  I don't believe in god, but I do believe that scumbags put out enough negative energy, and eventually get dealt with.

[quickcrx702]

I expect all sellers of defective items to pay return shipping or just refund outright as it is not my fault as the buyer so I shouldn't be out any money. He refused stating his policy of buyer pays return shipping

Based on the auction, which is a legal contract, he was well within his right to ask for return shipping shipping (see below for why), so your negative on him, should be null and void. While yes, your transaction stunk due to the shipper and your failure to read the auction/contract YOU agreed to, the seller got completely f@cked in this deal. He is out the product, shipping, and now you want to screw him some more on his feedback? Not one bit of this was his fault, so why should it effect his rating?


You agreed to the terms of return shipping when you bought it, it doesn't matter why. This is to protect sellers from fraud and is standard practice. Remember, he still has to pay to send you the new item to replace that one. Which means he could pay shipping twice, for an item you simply may have broken on purpose, didn't want or are trying to get a second for free (which is common).  Very few pay return postage, and usually it's only major corporations who get shipping discounts. Remember, most sellers on Ebay are just trying to eek out a living, or make some extra money, they aren't rich. Would you expect a local store you return an item to to pay for your gas? Why not your time as well?

I very recently had to order a rare part for a customer, and the seller sent me something completely different than what was in the picture.  I had to pay the return shipping, but I didn't insist on them paying me back for the reason that you stated about it being in the auction terms.  I eventually got the correct part, and just passed on the cost to my customer.  I'm debating about leaving a negative feedback.  They don't deserve a positive feedback because they took their sweet time sending the replacement.  I waited a week to get the part, I sent it back the next day, and they didn't even ship the replacement until a week later.

[Endzone]

I expect all sellers of defective items to pay return shipping or just refund outright as it is not my fault as the buyer so I shouldn't be out any money. He refused stating his policy of buyer pays return shipping

Based on the auction, which is a legal contract, he was well within his right to ask for return shipping shipping (see below for why), so your negative on him, should be null and void. While yes, your transaction stunk due to the shipper and your failure to read the auction/contract YOU agreed to, the seller got completely f@cked in this deal. He is out the product, shipping, and now you want to screw him some more on his feedback? Not one bit of this was his fault, so why should it effect his rating?


You agreed to the terms of return shipping when you bought it, it doesn't matter why. This is to protect sellers from fraud and is standard practice. Remember, he still has to pay to send you the new item to replace that one. Which means he could pay shipping twice, for an item you simply may have broken on purpose, didn't want or are trying to get a second for free (which is common).  Very few pay return postage, and usually it's only major corporations who get shipping discounts. Remember, most sellers on Ebay are just trying to eek out a living, or make some extra money, they aren't rich. Would you expect a local store you return an item to to pay for your gas? Why not your time as well?

I very recently had to order a rare part for a customer, and the seller sent me something completely different than what was in the picture.  I had to pay the return shipping, but I didn't insist on them paying me back for the reason that you stated about it being in the auction terms.  I eventually got the correct part, and just passed on the cost to my customer.  I'm debating about leaving a negative feedback.  They don't deserve a positive feedback because they took their sweet time sending the replacement.  I waited a week to get the part, I sent it back the next day, and they didn't even ship the replacement until a week later.

Yep, EBay sellers don't get the feedback they deserve.  I'm not sure why that is, but that's why I say the rating system is bogus.  One guy told me he just wasn't going to give anybody a negative rating.  Huh?

On a much more serious note, you should believe in God.  It's not worth spending an eternity in hell over rejecting Jesus Christ.  My life has been a battleground between the workings of demonic spirits and the Holy Spirit.  The spirit realm is so very real.  Every word of the Bible is true.

[The_Ed]

I expect all sellers of defective items to pay return shipping or just refund outright as it is not my fault as the buyer so I shouldn't be out any money. He refused stating his policy of buyer pays return shipping

Based on the auction, which is a legal contract, he was well within his right to ask for return shipping shipping (see below for why), so your negative on him, should be null and void. While yes, your transaction stunk due to the shipper and your failure to read the auction/contract YOU agreed to, the seller got completely f@cked in this deal. He is out the product, shipping, and now you want to screw him some more on his feedback? Not one bit of this was his fault, so why should it effect his rating?


You agreed to the terms of return shipping when you bought it, it doesn't matter why. This is to protect sellers from fraud and is standard practice. Remember, he still has to pay to send you the new item to replace that one. Which means he could pay shipping twice, for an item you simply may have broken on purpose, didn't want or are trying to get a second for free (which is common).  Very few pay return postage, and usually it's only major corporations who get shipping discounts. Remember, most sellers on Ebay are just trying to eek out a living, or make some extra money, they aren't rich. Would you expect a local store you return an item to to pay for your gas? Why not your time as well?

1. He was an ass and accuser in his messages, and feedback is based on my experience, so he deserved the negative.
2. It's ebay, since when is there a replacement to send out? These are people liquidating their basements of the **** they don't want.
3. He is only the third? person to not pay return shipping for a defective item in my lifetime (the first on ebay).
4. I consider a return to be different when it's returning something defective. If I decided I didn't want something anymore or I ordered the wrong one I would have to pay the return shipping as that is on me. But if I am shipped a defective (damaged) item, that is on the seller and they should have to pay the return shipping or just refund me outright.

[funkymeeba]

On a much more serious note, you should believe in God.  It's not worth spending an eternity in hell over rejecting Jesus Christ.  My life has been a battleground between the workings of demonic spirits and the Holy Spirit.  The spirit realm is so very real.  Every word of the Bible is true.

I shouldn't bite that hook, but I will. Please provide me evidence you are right. I can't stand this baseless preaching. Besides, if you can't do the right thing (morally) without some divine being watching you, judging you, then perhaps you should reevaluate yourself as a person.

[quickcrx702]

On a much more serious note, you should believe in God.  It's not worth spending an eternity in hell over rejecting Jesus Christ.  My life has been a battleground between the workings of demonic spirits and the Holy Spirit.  The spirit realm is so very real.  Every word of the Bible is true.

I shouldn't bite that hook, but I will. Please provide me evidence you are right. I can't stand this baseless preaching. Besides, if you can't do the right thing (morally) without some divine being watching you, judging you, then perhaps you should reevaluate yourself as a person.

Funkymeeba you are the one questioning the claim, so YOU must provide evidence that the bible is wrong.  Okay, I jest.  I could get really detailed and explain why the bible is just a silly book of fairy tails, but there really isn't a polite way of doing that.  Endzone, I'd rather not open that can of worms, and you seem like a nice enough person, so I'll just say religion isn't for me.  I grew up Catholic, and I know the bible better than most people that attend church services regularly, so I understand the choice I have made to not believe in it.  I am about as afraid of spending an eternity in hell, as you probably are of having Thor rape you with lightning bolts for an eternity for not believing in him.

[funkymeeba]

Funkymeeba you are the one questioning the claim, so YOU must provide evidence that the bible is wrong.  Okay, I jest.  I could get really detailed and explain why the bible is just a silly book of fairy tails, but there really isn't a polite way of doing that.  Endzone, I'd rather not open that can of worms, and you seem like a nice enough person, so I'll just say religion isn't for me.  I grew up Catholic, and I know the bible better than most people that attend church services regularly, so I understand the choice I have made to not believe in it.  I am about as afraid of spending an eternity in hell, as you probably are of having Thor rape you with lightning bolts for an eternity for not believing in him.

I don't recall saying he was wrong. Besides, proving something doesn't exist on an infinite plane is an impossible task (especially when given that we don't know exactly what we're looking for). At any rate, you said you jest, so it is all good.

For what it's worth, if there is a diety of any sort, I hope it makes Paypal and eBay burn for a long time.

EDIT: Wells Fargo, too.

[PointyFox]

On a much more serious note, you should believe in God.  It's not worth spending an eternity in hell over rejecting Jesus Christ.  My life has been a battleground between the workings of demonic spirits and the Holy Spirit.  The spirit realm is so very real.  Every word of the Bible is true.

I shouldn't bite that hook, but I will. Please provide me evidence you are right. I can't stand this baseless preaching. Besides, if you can't do the right thing (morally) without some divine being watching you, judging you, then perhaps you should reevaluate yourself as a person.

The guy obviously needs professional psychiatric help and strong meds and has needed them for a while.  There's nothing you can say to him that will fix him.  This is not an ad hominem attack.  I have reality and science to back me up; not just a storybook.

[Leslieann]

I very recently had to order a rare part for a customer, and the seller sent me something completely different than what was in the picture.  I had to pay the return shipping, but I didn't insist on them paying me back for the reason that you stated about it being in the auction terms.  I eventually got the correct part, and just passed on the cost to my customer.  I'm debating about leaving a negative feedback.  They don't deserve a positive feedback because they took their sweet time sending the replacement.  I waited a week to get the part, I sent it back the next day, and they didn't even ship the replacement until a week later.

Accidents happen and a week is too long, what happened to you was completely the sellers fault, but that's not what happened to the OP. It was an outside influence that caused the problem.

[calavera]

How the **** did this derail from a ebay feedback thread to bible/religion debate?


I didn't even know you could have negative feedback removed in the first place. I would contact ebay again with proof (emails, conversations...etc) to have this bs investigated again.

[Endzone]

On a much more serious note, you should believe in God.  It's not worth spending an eternity in hell over rejecting Jesus Christ.  My life has been a battleground between the workings of demonic spirits and the Holy Spirit.  The spirit realm is so very real.  Every word of the Bible is true.

I shouldn't bite that hook, but I will. Please provide me evidence you are right. I can't stand this baseless preaching. Besides, if you can't do the right thing (morally) without some divine being watching you, judging you, then perhaps you should reevaluate yourself as a person.

Funkymeeba you are the one questioning the claim, so YOU must provide evidence that the bible is wrong.  Okay, I jest.  I could get really detailed and explain why the bible is just a silly book of fairy tails, but there really isn't a polite way of doing that.  Endzone, I'd rather not open that can of worms, and you seem like a nice enough person, so I'll just say religion isn't for me.  I grew up Catholic, and I know the bible better than most people that attend church services regularly, so I understand the choice I have made to not believe in it.  I am about as afraid of spending an eternity in hell, as you probably are of having Thor rape you with lightning bolts for an eternity for not believing in him.

Alright, but if you get me praying for you, you might be surprised what could happen in your life.  I have a long 30-year history of intercessory prayer with lots of results, and I have a lot of time on my hands now.  But I'm not trying to force anything on you.  If you don't want me to, I won't.   

[badcop]

ebay is so messed up at the moment.  I'm selling a harley davidson for my father on their right now and in the listing i have NO INTERNATIONAL SHIPPNG CONUS ONLY about 10 times and almost everyone who is bidding on it is from out of the conus.  theres no way to stop it and i guarantee that the listing is going to end with some guy in turkey asking me for a shipping quote....

[Michael]

ebay is so messed up at the moment.  I'm selling a harley davidson for my father on their right now and in the listing i have NO INTERNATIONAL SHIPPNG CONUS ONLY about 10 times and almost everyone who is bidding on it is from out of the conus.  theres no way to stop it and i guarantee that the listing is going to end with some guy in turkey asking me for a shipping quote....

When you make a listing on ebay, you can set it to not accept international bids.

[Tym]

ebay is so messed up at the moment.  I'm selling a harley davidson for my father on their right now and in the listing i have NO INTERNATIONAL SHIPPNG CONUS ONLY about 10 times and almost everyone who is bidding on it is from out of the conus.  theres no way to stop it and i guarantee that the listing is going to end with some guy in turkey asking me for a shipping quote....

You can remove bids, just check out where they are from and delete them.

[fohat.digs]

As an ebay buyer and seller of many hundreds of items, I think that the feedback system is excellent in theory, but fails in practice. There are too many ways to manipulate it, and people who have learned the tricks can run circles around innocent civilians if they so desire.

Also, I agree that "How well was the item packed?" is more important that "Were the shipping fees high or low?"

PS - About the religion thing - it is entirely incumbent on those who postulate that God and Bible are real to prove that those assertions are true. You cannot prove a negative.

[badcop]

ebay is so messed up at the moment.  I'm selling a harley davidson for my father on their right now and in the listing i have NO INTERNATIONAL SHIPPNG CONUS ONLY about 10 times and almost everyone who is bidding on it is from out of the conus.  theres no way to stop it and i guarantee that the listing is going to end with some guy in turkey asking me for a shipping quote....

When you make a listing on ebay, you can set it to not accept international bids.

its checked and i'm still getting international bids.

[Tarzan]

ebay is so messed up at the moment.  I'm selling a harley davidson for my father on their right now and in the listing i have NO INTERNATIONAL SHIPPNG CONUS ONLY about 10 times and almost everyone who is bidding on it is from out of the conus.  theres no way to stop it and i guarantee that the listing is going to end with some guy in turkey asking me for a shipping quote....

When you make a listing on ebay, you can set it to not accept international bids.

its checked and i'm still getting international bids.

That sounds wack.  I had to use a proxy to bid on a German keyboard - eBay.de.  When I tried to bid directly it threw an error.

[badcop]

ebay is so messed up at the moment.  I'm selling a harley davidson for my father on their right now and in the listing i have NO INTERNATIONAL SHIPPNG CONUS ONLY about 10 times and almost everyone who is bidding on it is from out of the conus.  theres no way to stop it and i guarantee that the listing is going to end with some guy in turkey asking me for a shipping quote....

When you make a listing on ebay, you can set it to not accept international bids.

its checked and i'm still getting international bids.

That sounds wack.  I had to use a proxy to bid on a German keyboard - eBay.de.  When I tried to bid directly it threw an error.

yeah i don't know something is seriously screwed up though.  i double checked to see if i had no int'l bidders accepted and it was checked.  highest bidder right now is in japan.

sorry did NOT mean to thread jack

/OT

[fohat.digs]

There are ways around the international thing but I do not know how they work.

Somewhere there is a setting, on my side, that says something like "only show me items in my area" or "show items whether they are in my area or not" so that you can see elsewhere.

Set international shipping on that Harley at $50K and specify that it is non-negotiable.

[badcop]

There are ways around the international thing but I do not know how they work.

Somewhere there is a setting, on my side, that says something like "only show me items in my area" or "show items whether they are in my area or not" so that you can see elsewhere.

Set international shipping on that Harley at $50K and specify that it is non-negotiable.

unfortunately i can't edit the listing any longer.  it has less than 12 hours left to go.  if i end up relisting it, i will do that.

[Mike48]

Just thought I'd reinforce the "Caveat Emptor" theme regarding the way many eBay sellers pack their items -- in this case, a Model M. This one arrived in a totally-crushed homemade "box" that was more like a thin cardboard wrapping than a box. There was virtually no padding -- IIRC it was a couple of layers of small-bubble wrap laying over the keyboard outside the plastic bag the keyboard was in -- and the attached photos show the result. This is exactly as received...I did manage to replace the broken cover and then did a complete rebuild and restoration with full bolt-mod. Now this keyboard looks almost like new. It's stashed somewhere in my huge collection and I don't have a photo handy, so you'll have to take my word for it.

Luckily, PayPal refunded my money and the seller didn't want me to return the broken keyboard. So a reasonably happy ending to an otherwise horror story...

[Mike48]

And here's another eBay-seller packing nightmare. Fortunately the keyboard suffered only a sheared key-assembly locating stud (the left one) and I have a fix for that, so no serious harm done, but this sloppy packing is inexcusable. The seller should have completely filled the box with extra padding, peanuts, etc. to help prevent crushing. Notice also this was another homemade "box". How cheap can a seller get FGS; I'd even pay a couple dollars extra to get the item shipped in a sturdy box and packed well.

[Mike48]

And then there's this. A Model M that had been listed as "Never Been Used" and "Like New". The seller had assured me via eBay messages that the keyboard was actually "New In Box" and had been stored in the box since it was purchased years ago. Does this look "New In Box", "New", "Like New" or "Never Been Used" to anyone on this forum? Notice the soiled feet -- didn't know that degree of soiling could occur to a keyboard that was stored in the box since purchased and "never used"...







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[demik]

somebody was using that model m commando and got pubes all over it

[Latin00032]

Yea! They were masturbating too close to that keyboard while watching spank-ter-vision.

[The_Ed]

Mike48 do you have any NIB or New Open Box Model M's or F's for sale? (Ones that you haven't bolt-modded)

EDIT:

somebody was using that model m commando and got pubes all over it

This is why I never buy used...

[demik]

Mike48 do you have any NIB or New Open Box Model M's or F's for sale? (Ones that you haven't bolt-modded)

EDIT:

somebody was using that model m commando and got pubes all over it

This is why I never buy used...

Ditto. Too many people do nasty **** while at the their computer.

[Parak]

Mike48 do you have any NIB or New Open Box Model M's or F's for sale? (Ones that you haven't bolt-modded)

EDIT:

somebody was using that model m commando and got pubes all over it

This is why I never buy used...

Ditto. Too many people do nasty **** while at the their computer.

Oye, if I was going by that policy, I'd never have a single Model F or Beam Spring. Scary thought, that. *shudder*

[demik]

good point. people have found some gems going second hand.

[Mike48]

Mike48 do you have any NIB or New Open Box Model M's or F's for sale? (Ones that you haven't bolt-modded)

EDIT:

somebody was using that model m commando and got pubes all over it

This is why I never buy used...

Hello The_Ed,

Yes I've got about 20 or so NIB full-size Model M's (all buckling-spring, no rubber-dome 71G4644's) in various P/N's. Before you ask about NIB SSK's, yes but only 3 (of which I want to keep 1) and I'm not too anxious to sell those at this time, having just acquired them in the last couple of months and at very high prices (damned "supply and demand" at it again). PM me with your specific requirements and I'll let you know what I've got in stock. None of the NIB's have been bolt-modded yet.

Regards,
Mike48

[Mike48]

Yeah, used M's can be VERY dirty. That's why I thoroughly clean them inside and out with a strong antibacterial solution. When Ifinish one of my refurbishments, the keyboard looks almost new, except of course for the usual wear-glossing on some keycaps. I have gotten a few used ones that were super-clean already and in a couple of cases, look as if a keyboard "skin" had been in place since they were first put into use. One even came with the skin. I discarded that, of course -- who wants a used skin FGS?

Awhile back a great eBay seller of M's (joestran1) sold me several extremely clean used M's. Clean inside and out and under the keys -- where few sellers dare to venture...

A very pretty used M: (or at least part of it <grin>)

[microsoft windows]

EBAY IS STUPID AND RUN BY A BUNCH OF WEIRDO COMMUNISTS WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THAT'S WHY I JUST BUY STUFF ON CRAIGSLIST.