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Re: Replacement controllers
« Reply #100 on: Thu, 19 June 2014, 20:34:38 »
I kept it until he sold another one in the states, then I shipped it for him.

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Re: Replacement controllers
« Reply #101 on: Sun, 22 June 2014, 05:51:16 »
Does the Pegasus Hoof allow custom LED configurations on keys for the Filco?
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« Reply #102 on: Sun, 22 June 2014, 09:11:02 »
The LEDs on the Filco are not in switch (under the key caps), they are on a row above the PgUp/Home/Ins keys.

You can configure them to have different meanings with the Easy AVR USB firmware.

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« Reply #103 on: Sun, 22 June 2014, 09:45:01 »
The LEDs on the Filco are not in switch (under the key caps), they are on a row above the PgUp/Home/Ins keys.

You can configure them to have different meanings with the Easy AVR USB firmware.

Can it make the LEDs do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4JxO3qQcz0

This is on a 356mini btw.
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Re: Replacement controllers
« Reply #104 on: Sun, 22 June 2014, 09:59:35 »
The LEDs on the Filco are not in switch (under the key caps), they are on a row above the PgUp/Home/Ins keys.

You can configure them to have different meanings with the Easy AVR USB firmware.

Can it make the LEDs do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4JxO3qQcz0

This is on a 356mini btw.

you can't light up a clack, but I know that there are lighting modes like that

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« Reply #105 on: Sun, 22 June 2014, 10:06:43 »
The LEDs on the Filco are not in switch (under the key caps), they are on a row above the PgUp/Home/Ins keys.

You can configure them to have different meanings with the Easy AVR USB firmware.

Can it make the LEDs do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4JxO3qQcz0

This is on a 356mini btw.

you can't light up a clack, but I know that there are lighting modes like that

I didn't mean to light a Clack up, so sorry about that. Will it damage the Clack in any way?

In all seriousness yes, I was referring to the lighting modes.
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« Reply #106 on: Sun, 22 June 2014, 10:13:56 »
The Filco doesn't have LED backlighting. It only has indicator LEDs for Caps Lock, Scroll Lock, (Num Lock). And those LEDs are not located inside switches. So, I don't really understand what you are wanting. The two (or three) indicator LEDs to flash and pulse?
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« Reply #107 on: Sun, 22 June 2014, 10:25:39 »
The Filco doesn't have LED backlighting. It only has indicator LEDs for Caps Lock, Scroll Lock, (Num Lock). And those LEDs are not located inside switches. So, I don't really understand what you are wanting. The two (or three) indicator LEDs to flash and pulse?

I'm not talking about the Filco right now. What I mean to ask is can I program the same or similar lighting mode onto a kmac pcb with the firmware(kmac is just an example).

And also if I can make the LEDs above the home button cluster breath like in the video.
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« Reply #108 on: Sun, 22 June 2014, 10:31:09 »
The Filco doesn't have LED backlighting. It only has indicator LEDs for Caps Lock, Scroll Lock, (Num Lock). And those LEDs are not located inside switches. So, I don't really understand what you are wanting. The two (or three) indicator LEDs to flash and pulse?

I'm not talking about the Filco right now. What I mean to ask is can I program the same or similar lighting mode onto a kmac pcb with the firmware(kmac is just an example).

And also if I can make the LEDs above the home button cluster breath like in the video.

Maybe you can understand where the confusion lies:

Does the Pegasus Hoof allow custom LED configurations on keys for the Filco?

Different keyboards use different firmware.
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« Reply #109 on: Sun, 22 June 2014, 10:34:10 »
Sorry, I think I ended u confusing myself. Let me rephrase:

Can I make the 2 LEDs pulse and breath like in the video with the Pegasus Hoof plus the Easy Avr Firmware?
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Re: Replacement controllers
« Reply #110 on: Mon, 23 June 2014, 13:56:43 »
Hi guys!

Any love for wasd v2? By any chance will the frosty flake work for wasd v2? The controller's the same holtek. but not sure whether if the pin layouts are the same though.

Picture for reference:
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« Reply #111 on: Wed, 25 June 2014, 13:08:28 »
Sorry, I think I ended u confusing myself. Let me rephrase:

Can I make the 2 LEDs pulse and breath like in the video with the Pegasus Hoof plus the Easy Avr Firmware?
at the moment you cannot but I have been considering adding that feature.

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« Reply #112 on: Wed, 25 June 2014, 13:11:12 »
Hi guys!

Any love for wasd v2? By any chance will the frosty flake work for wasd v2? The controller's the same holtek. but not sure whether if the pin layouts are the same though.

Picture for reference:
http://imgur.com/MehwYFi
http://imgur.com/xIhbWbt
I wouldn't count on the existing controllers working, although anything is possible.  I'll bet bpiphany could do it, but who knows if he has time

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« Reply #113 on: Wed, 25 June 2014, 13:31:34 »
Sorry, I think I ended u confusing myself. Let me rephrase:

Can I make the 2 LEDs pulse and breath like in the video with the Pegasus Hoof plus the Easy Avr Firmware?
at the moment you cannot but I have been considering adding that feature.

The LED's on bpiphany's controllers are connected to OCR1 pins, ie. T1 can drive them via PWM. Fairly easy to do the breathing effect. Did it in my firmware, I can shoot you the source if you are interested (PM me.)

Hi guys!

Any love for wasd v2? By any chance will the frosty flake work for wasd v2? The controller's the same holtek. but not sure whether if the pin layouts are the same though.

Picture for reference:
http://imgur.com/MehwYFi
http://imgur.com/xIhbWbt
I wouldn't count on the existing controllers working, although anything is possible.  I'll bet bpiphany could do it, but who knows if he has time

x2. Looks like the v2 is build by Costar, they never use the same controller in different products. Plus there is some funky stuff going on the back side, could be a current source for LED back lights (I'm suspecting the Code is the same v2 w/ added LED's.)
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« Reply #114 on: Wed, 25 June 2014, 19:46:40 »
Hi guys!

Any love for wasd v2? By any chance will the frosty flake work for wasd v2? The controller's the same holtek. but not sure whether if the pin layouts are the same though.

Picture for reference:
http://imgur.com/MehwYFi
http://imgur.com/xIhbWbt
I wouldn't count on the existing controllers working, although anything is possible.  I'll bet bpiphany could do it, but who knows if he has time

Well I think I'll give it a shot. any chance to fry my pcb if it doesn't work?

Sorry, I think I ended u confusing myself. Let me rephrase:

Can I make the 2 LEDs pulse and breath like in the video with the Pegasus Hoof plus the Easy Avr Firmware?
at the moment you cannot but I have been considering adding that feature.

The LED's on bpiphany's controllers are connected to OCR1 pins, ie. T1 can drive them via PWM. Fairly easy to do the breathing effect. Did it in my firmware, I can shoot you the source if you are interested (PM me.)

Hi guys!

Any love for wasd v2? By any chance will the frosty flake work for wasd v2? The controller's the same holtek. but not sure whether if the pin layouts are the same though.

Picture for reference:
http://imgur.com/MehwYFi
http://imgur.com/xIhbWbt
I wouldn't count on the existing controllers working, although anything is possible.  I'll bet bpiphany could do it, but who knows if he has time

x2. Looks like the v2 is build by Costar, they never use the same controller in different products. Plus there is some funky stuff going on the back side, could be a current source for LED back lights (I'm suspecting the Code is the same v2 w/ added LED's.)

wait what kinda funky stuff?

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Re: Replacement controllers
« Reply #115 on: Wed, 25 June 2014, 20:31:06 »
If the USB +5 is connected to the wrong pin you could possibly do some damage.  Probably not though

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« Reply #116 on: Wed, 25 June 2014, 21:37:07 »
If the USB +5 is connected to the wrong pin you could possibly do some damage.  Probably not though

hmmm. it'll break the pcb itself if the wrong pin is connected? I think I'll ask wasd whether can I get the schematics or datasheet for their controller or not.

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« Reply #117 on: Wed, 25 June 2014, 22:18:54 »
Not the keyboard PCB, I meant the bpiphany board.  Really just the uc

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« Reply #118 on: Wed, 25 June 2014, 22:30:45 »
Not the keyboard PCB, I meant the bpiphany board.  Really just the uc

hmm alright. hope I've good news from wasd. :/

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« Reply #119 on: Thu, 26 June 2014, 00:25:08 »
Well I think I'll give it a shot. any chance to fry my pcb if it doesn't work?

I would strongly advise against trying that. You risk damaging the FF or even the USB port you plug it in.

Plus there is some funky stuff going on the back side, could be a current source for LED back lights (I'm suspecting the Code is the same v2 w/ added LED's.)

wait what kinda funky stuff?

Some components on the back of the original controller that are not present on the other Costar controllers.
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« Reply #120 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 05:16:01 »
Where are the CAD files for these PCBs?

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« Reply #121 on: Tue, 01 July 2014, 05:18:04 »
Where are the CAD files for these PCBs?

If they aren't on the wiki, they wont be anywhere.

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« Reply #122 on: Mon, 14 July 2014, 10:02:28 »
I have updated the first post. I took the DIY kits off the list. They are almost the same amount of work for me to pack individually as toasting finished units. Also the quality of the toasting process seem to be very good. Much better than hand soldering with an iron. If anyone would still very much like to have a DIY kit I suppose it could be discussed. It makes me happy to not be the only one crazy enough to do such projects... The DIY kits also just added confusion to the line-up.

The postal services around the world do a very good job. All shipments seem to make it all the way there eventually. And I'm talking about all countries far and wide. I'm happily surprised. Sadly USPS is by far not the fastest, and a lot of orders are from the US.

Hi guys!

Any love for wasd v2? By any chance will the frosty flake work for wasd v2? The controller's the same holtek. but not sure whether if the pin layouts are the same though.

Picture for reference:
http://imgur.com/MehwYFi
http://imgur.com/xIhbWbt

This one again looks different from all other controllers. The headers are a different distance apart for starters. And there does look to be something funky going on there on the back. Some 3.3V business perhaps, I don't know.. So none of the existing replacement controller would work )=

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« Reply #123 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 08:17:29 »
I found 5 extra PCBs for the original HID Liberation Device replacement controller for the Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless. I built them up and if anyone is interested those four are now available as the very very last for the price of $35 plus $5 shipping.

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Re: Replacement controllers
« Reply #124 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 10:23:11 »
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« Reply #125 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 04:05:53 »
I posted about this over in the Easy AVR thread, but I'm curious to see if anyone here has run into any incompatibilities with the new 20140521 revision of the Frosty Flake. Are there any workarounds to get Easy AVR  to work with this updated controller? Or am I out of luck until support is added? Thanks!

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« Reply #126 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 06:00:20 »
There are a few pin changes between the 20140521 and 20130602 versions. The Flake was the first controller I built based on the 32u2 processor. I then changed a few small things on the next controller that I thought was smart. To make all controllers more uniform I took the opportunity to change the pinout of the new Flake.

I added my new schematic file to the wiki on DT. It's a bit messy, but it should be the same and correct for all controllers except the 20130602 Flake.
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Costar_replacement_controllers#Schematic

A simple update of row and column pins should fix the Easy AVR program.

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« Reply #127 on: Wed, 13 August 2014, 07:00:55 »
Thanks bpiphany.  Wish I had a fullsize to test and support that Ghost Squid

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« Reply #128 on: Tue, 09 September 2014, 09:50:44 »
I've got a CM Storm QuickFire XT with Green switches on the way right now
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« Reply #129 on: Thu, 11 September 2014, 17:53:59 »
Ok, it arrived today. First thing (after a quick test) I did was to do an o-ring mod. Now I just opened the case to have a look inside. Will the ghost squid work as a replacement for this daughterboard?

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« Reply #130 on: Thu, 11 September 2014, 18:36:20 »
Ok, it arrived today. First thing (after a quick test) I did was to do an o-ring mod. Now I just opened the case to have a look inside. Will the ghost squid work as a replacement for this daughterboard? (Attachment Link)

Yes. A slightly older version of this firmware should be preloaded, it supports ISO layout.
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« Reply #131 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 01:54:37 »
Yes. A slightly older version of this firmware should be preloaded, it supports ISO layout.

It's an ANSI layout board.
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« Reply #132 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 02:38:05 »
No problem, ANSI is supported as well :)
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« Reply #133 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 03:29:33 »
ANSI-schmansi, they are all the same. JIS as well I believe. Which makes sense, using the same PCB for all layouts.

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« Reply #134 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 04:33:01 »
I would have been surprised had it been any other way. Probably only the plate and software that are different to lower costs
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ANSI-schmansi, they are all the same. JIS as well I believe. Which makes sense, using the same PCB for all layouts.
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« Reply #135 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 05:09:19 »
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« Reply #136 on: Mon, 06 October 2014, 19:24:39 »
Out of curiosity, what size are the SMD parts?
                                      
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« Reply #137 on: Tue, 07 October 2014, 07:05:45 »
Out of curiosity, what size are the SMD parts?

The capacitors and resistors are 0603s, the ATmega is a TQFP32, the multiplexers SOIC16s, and the crystal is 3.2x2.5mm.

There is a specification of all the components here http://deskthority.net/wiki/Costar_replacement_controllers#Hardware

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« Reply #138 on: Tue, 07 October 2014, 14:41:54 »
Out of curiosity, what size are the SMD parts?

The capacitors and resistors are 0603s, the ATmega is a TQFP32, the multiplexers SOIC16s, and the crystal is 3.2x2.5mm.

There is a specification of all the components here http://deskthority.net/wiki/Costar_replacement_controllers#Hardware
I am considering buying a PCB and getting parts from somewhere else so that I can hand solder it myself because I love soldering, but I will have to wait and see if the tips that come with my new iron will be small enough.
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« Reply #139 on: Tue, 07 October 2014, 16:32:49 »
I would suggest to get the fully assembled and tested unit and use the saved time messing with the switches of the board (if you so desire.) Having a known working controller ready to go is well worth the additional cost IMHO.
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« Reply #140 on: Tue, 07 October 2014, 16:45:31 »
I would suggest to get the fully assembled and tested unit and use the saved time messing with the switches of the board (if you so desire.) Having a known working controller ready to go is well worth the additional cost IMHO.
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« Reply #141 on: Thu, 16 October 2014, 16:50:45 »
Possible to order a ghost squid?
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« Reply #142 on: Tue, 04 November 2014, 12:29:07 »
Is the Pegasus Hoof still available? PM-ed you btw

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« Reply #143 on: Sun, 09 November 2014, 23:08:01 »
I searched the thread and found no answer so I'll go ahead and ask.

I've got the Rosewill RK-9000RE and the main board is a Nashville 10458 V4.0 2012-[I don't remember and didn't take a picture]. Do you know offhand whether I would go with the Black Petal or the Kitten Paw?
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Re: Replacement controllers
« Reply #144 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 14:09:36 »
The Petal compatible Rosewills have a controller like this one http://deskthority.net/wiki/Controller_matrix_traces#Rosewill
and the Paw compatible ones this controller http://deskthority.net/wiki/Controller_matrix_traces#Filco_Majestouch

The distance between the header rows are also greater on the Paw (15mm) than the Petal (12mm).

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Re: Replacement controllers
« Reply #145 on: Mon, 10 November 2014, 16:59:23 »
I searched the thread and found no answer so I'll go ahead and ask.

I've got the Rosewill RK-9000RE and the main board is a Nashville 10458 V4.0 2012-[I don't remember and didn't take a picture]. Do you know offhand whether I would go with the Black Petal or the Kitten Paw?

I'm very certain it'll take a Petal since Nashville v4 sits betw. the CST-NFK (2011) and v5 (2012) -- both carry a "NFKB-Daughter ESD Rev 2.0". You'll have to reopen the case for verification tho.
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Re: Replacement controllers
« Reply #146 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 11:36:04 »
Alright, I'll re-open the keyboard sometime in the next day or so and I'll post some photos.
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Re: Replacement controllers
« Reply #147 on: Tue, 11 November 2014, 16:18:50 »
I searched the thread and found no answer so I'll go ahead and ask.

I've got the Rosewill RK-9000RE and the main board is a Nashville 10458 V4.0 2012-[I don't remember and didn't take a picture]. Do you know offhand whether I would go with the Black Petal or the Kitten Paw?

I'm very certain it'll take a Petal since Nashville v4 sits betw. the CST-NFK (2011) and v5 (2012) -- both carry a "NFKB-Daughter ESD Rev 2.0". You'll have to reopen the case for verification tho.

I have a Nashville 4.0 board and can absolutely confirm that a Black Petal works great. Go for it!

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Re: Replacement controllers
« Reply #148 on: Tue, 09 December 2014, 02:31:18 »
Alright, Thanks for the info. I'd still like to take my keyboard apart again just to make sure. Haven't had the time though since starting my new job. Maybe I'll get a chance this weekend.
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Re: Replacement controllers
« Reply #149 on: Wed, 17 December 2014, 18:53:40 »
hi friend.. how can i order one of these for my Filco Majestouch 2 full to the USA ? :D
thanks in advance