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Glass keycaps
« on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 17:37:29 »
Thinking about making a ceramic mold and filling it with glass frit to create a glass set. Has anyone tried this method before, and have you encountered any issues I should look out for? Would slumping be a better rout?

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 17:42:08 »
Are you sure they arent going to break? I believe I might destroy glass keycaps. Perhaps youre a bit more careful when computing. :p

Anyway very cool! I will follow this. :)

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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 17:46:40 »
Thick glass should be fine.  Need to be very careful of sharp corners.
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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 18:17:31 »
Do ceramic molds work for glass casting?

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 18:20:59 »
Are you sure they arent going to break? I believe I might destroy glass keycaps. Perhaps youre a bit more careful when computing. :p

Anyway very cool! I will follow this. :)

It would be fairly thick, and probably frosted in the end as well. I have no idea how to implement stems yet though, because consistency is very important to me and having a loose or slightly off-center stem would mean me probably having to re-cast the entire thing again. I'll have to ask some advice from folks who do their own casting about it. All I know is that the stems would be attached after the slumping process. Probably by drilling into the glass with a wet drill and gluing it in, but then there's the issue of where do I get/how do I make them. I have access to a big pottery studio as well as a local artist who works with glass and has the proper tools. Maybe he'll have some ideas.

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 18:22:56 »
If you tempered the glass after casting, that would probably help.

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 18:28:18 »
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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 18:31:37 »
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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 18:32:48 »
Are you sure they arent going to break? I believe I might destroy glass keycaps. Perhaps youre a bit more careful when computing. :p

Anyway very cool! I will follow this. :)

It would be fairly thick, and probably frosted in the end as well. I have no idea how to implement stems yet though, because consistency is very important to me and having a loose or slightly off-center stem would mean me probably having to re-cast the entire thing again. I'll have to ask some advice from folks who do their own casting about it. All I know is that the stems would be attached after the slumping process. Probably by drilling into the glass with a wet drill and gluing it in, but then there's the issue of where do I get/how do I make them. I have access to a big pottery studio as well as a local artist who works with glass and has the proper tools. Maybe he'll have some ideas.

Maybe metal stems.  Cast the caps like Model M caps, and use metal/plastic stems with a square, flat top surface for maximal adhesion.  A bit of epoxy, and those are never coming loose.

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 19:12:52 »
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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 22:15:25 »
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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 22:29:30 »
How well do you think they will take the stress before the first cracks?
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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 22:35:28 »
How about gorilla glass molded into key caps!

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 11 September 2013, 22:39:07 »
How well do you think they will take the stress before the first cracks?

I could see fracturing around the stem insertion for those who type with gusto, but the actual caps would be thick, heavy, and solid.

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 12 September 2013, 05:20:01 »
Not sure if they could handle gaming rage, but they would look awesome!

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 13:30:57 »
It's something I was researching for a while since I wanted to experiment with it, but it's really problematic and, from what I saw, there was no real feasible way to make a stem.  You'd have to fit a stem into the glass.

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 15:45:48 »
Perhaps transplanting stems from clear polycarbonate caps?

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 15:48:07 »
Potentially, but you also run into issues with epoxy and the like.  It's definitely an interesting idea and one that I've been trying to figure out how to do for a while, but it has its issues that are hard to get around.

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 15:56:21 »
No epoxy...
Thought more of crystal clear adhesive as used for glass and plexi!

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 16:03:36 »
Perhaps creating the mold with a blind-hole:


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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 16:55:09 »
Perhaps creating the mold with a blind-hole:

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But the glass would slump over it. The other option would be having the hole be created by the top side of the mold with a protrusion the same size of the stem, but the issue with glass it that it starts out solid. If I use slumping which is probably the best method, I would have to drill a hole in the glass before firing. If I use frit there would be no guarentee as to how the glass would settle around the stem part, so it would be a sort of crap shoot for each key.

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 17:39:23 »
Oh, sorry...
That was actually supposed to be the finished thing (Glass-cap/Adhesive/PC-stem)



The mold would be 2 piece like this ^^;

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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 13 September 2013, 17:52:02 »
Oh, sorry...
That was actually supposed to be the finished thing (Glass-cap/Adhesive/PC-stem)

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The mold would be 2 piece like this ^^;

That actually might be possible, but would require a lot of attention. essentially it would be:
Lay the glass over the top mold
Fire it in the kiln until softened
Place the top piece of the mold and continue firing

Double the molds means double the chance of the glass sticking to it too. Also my ceramics teacher is wary of the glass exploding in the kiln.

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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 14 October 2013, 20:59:05 »
My initial mold came out of the kiln today and sadly there was an air bubble in it somewhere and it exploded destroying a bunch of other peoples work with it. Now my teacher wants me to stick to the curriculum, but says I can try again over winter break. :(

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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 14 October 2013, 21:18:12 »
My initial mold came out of the kiln today and sadly there was an air bubble in it somewhere and it exploded destroying a bunch of other peoples work with it. Now my teacher wants me to stick to the curriculum, but says I can try again over winter break. :(
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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 14 October 2013, 23:06:24 »
wow, i like the idea of a glass keycap
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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 04:56:08 »
wow, i like the idea of a glass keycap

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Re: Glass keycaps
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 06:42:55 »
My initial mold came out of the kiln today and sadly there was an air bubble in it somewhere and it exploded destroying a bunch of other peoples work with it. Now my teacher wants me to stick to the curriculum, but says I can try again over winter break. :(

Well this made smile, so all the carnage was not in vain.

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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 07:21:29 »
My initial mold came out of the kiln today and sadly there was an air bubble in it somewhere and it exploded destroying a bunch of other peoples work with it. Now my teacher wants me to stick to the curriculum, but says I can try again over winter break. :(

Well this made smile, so all the carnage was not in vain.

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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 10:12:48 »
this could be very interesting if the glass was sandblasted. Glossy regular glass seems incredibly uncomfortable to type on. Sticky icky  :-\
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« Reply #30 on: Tue, 15 October 2013, 10:28:27 »
This would be so sick
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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 24 October 2013, 04:31:11 »
I would buy 4 and use as arrow keys in a heartbeat.
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« Reply #32 on: Mon, 28 October 2013, 11:13:43 »
An allum case and glass keycaps is apples wet dream of a keyboard.

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« Reply #33 on: Mon, 28 October 2013, 13:29:30 »
An allum case and glass keycaps is apples wet dream of a keyboard.

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 28 October 2013, 15:53:18 »
A satin glass will be nice, but a full transparent glass will be awfull with all the fingerprints on the keycaps.

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« Reply #36 on: Mon, 28 October 2013, 20:00:06 »
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They glass?  Or just plastic?
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« Reply #41 on: Tue, 29 October 2013, 20:17:53 »
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Those looks really nice!

They are CC's - how could they be anything but nice? ;)
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

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