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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 16 September 2013, 19:02:05 »
tl;dr

cops are ****heads on a power trip

black, white, asian, hispanic doesn't matter. a cop is not there to protect you.
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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 16 September 2013, 19:03:57 »
If have half a brain you know that racism exists.

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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:45:47 »
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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:13:19 »
MY brother-in-law is a cop.  He says that one of his favorite things to do is whopped on somebody.  not helping stereotypes.
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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:33:53 »
well the way I see it is there must be a reason why they decide to go into that field in the first place. Maybe for some it's to uphold justice, but that's probably unlikely. I'm not saying ALL cops are power hungry but it's certainly the majority.
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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 16 September 2013, 22:07:28 »
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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 17 September 2013, 14:02:03 »
well the way I see it is there must be a reason why they decide to go into that field in the first place. Maybe for some it's to uphold justice, but that's probably unlikely. I'm not saying ALL cops are power hungry but it's certainly the majority.

^This.

I took an introductory psych class in college, and the textbook flat out stated this as a fact.  People who like to exert their authority over other people gravitate to occupations like police officer, and to a lesser extent, firefighter.  And they use their position not to serve and protect, but to instill fear and demand respect.

I can't count the number of news stories I've read about cops beating "suspects," for reasons that could all be summarized as "not showing enough respect."

My father, who was a left-winger from way back (born in 1911), used to maintain that law enforcement officer should be a civic role, and that positions should be filled by lottery or draft.  Anyone who actually volunteered to be a cop would be automatically disqualified.

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 17 September 2013, 19:04:55 »
Cops beat up and shoot all sorts of people with all sorts of looks, shapes, and colors. Many times it is unjustified and they get a slap on the wrist for it. I don't think racism is the big problem here--I think innocent people getting harrassed, hurt, and shot by cops is.

dude, even the police admit that race plays a huge role in their response: http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/reports98/police/uspo17.htm

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2010/071310Lendman.shtml
http://www.graphs.net/201207/police-brutality-statistics.html
http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/07/police-brutality-in-america/
http://changefromwithin.org/2012/07/18/talking-privilegewaking-white-people-up-to-police-brutality/
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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 17 September 2013, 19:22:13 »
Cops beat up and shoot all sorts of people with all sorts of looks, shapes, and colors. Many times it is unjustified and they get a slap on the wrist for it. I don't think racism is the big problem here--I think innocent people getting harrassed, hurt, and shot by cops is.

dude, even the police admit that race plays a huge role in their response: http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/reports98/police/uspo17.htm

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2010/071310Lendman.shtml
http://www.graphs.net/201207/police-brutality-statistics.html
http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/07/police-brutality-in-america/
http://changefromwithin.org/2012/07/18/talking-privilegewaking-white-people-up-to-police-brutality/

the bottom line is most cops are power hungry ****s that were bullied in school or were bullies themselves and are protected by corrupt judges and unions that makes them impossible to punish and when punished it's just a slap on the wrist.
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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 02:04:23 »
The NYPD just shoots innocent bystanders now.  They don't even bother with the original suspect.  They just open fire on a crowd in Times Square. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57602998/times-square-shooting-nypd-officers-shoot-two-innocent-bystanders-near-times-square/
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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 02:49:06 »
The NYPD just shoots innocent bystanders now.  They don't even bother with the original suspect.  They just open fire on a crowd in Times Square. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57602998/times-square-shooting-nypd-officers-shoot-two-innocent-bystanders-near-times-square/

It seems cops don't get any consequences for doing so.
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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 15:04:10 »
Seems more like a case of a cop going "oh no, a black man!" and shooting in a panic, rather than deliberate racist victimisation. Not that doesn't exist in the police force as well.

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 15:06:21 »
Aha, that Times Square one is more like something you'd expect to happen in some third world ****hole rather than a supposedly developed nation though. 'Murica

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 17:04:10 »
I think those New York cops would be in better shape if they used Windows 98. Windows 98 could save lives!

NYC Mayor Mike Bloomberg has solved this problem already.  The NYPD uses Bloomberg's own proprietary software (which he sold them after becoming mayor).  The NYC 911 emergency telephone also uses Bloomberg's proprietary software.  In NYC, if you call 911, your call may get lost in the computer system for 3-4 hours, before somebody even notices that you called.  System cost:   $88,000,000 (USD).  Lost Calls:  only 33%.  Bottom line:  Bloomberg is a computer genius.  You should all have some Bloomberg in your lives.  And Mayor Mike wants to bring his kind of computer magic to you.  After you get Bloomberg'ed, you will wish you had the smooth efficiency of Windows 98.  (Bloomberg wants to be your President in 2016, too.)

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 17:33:49 »
I'm sorry to say that but this kind of things only happen in America, you won't see this kind of things in Europe or not that often at least.

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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 18:15:23 »
I'm sorry to say that but this kind of things only happen in America, you won't see this kind of things in Europe or not that often at least.

lets not start this only in america ****.
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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 18:20:25 »
I'm sorry to say that but this kind of things only happen in America, you won't see this kind of things in Europe or not that often at least.

Dude, Europe is oftentimes even more racist than America.  When was the last time you heard about someone making monkey noises at a black athlete in America?  I've never heard about it, but it's common in Europe.

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 18 September 2013, 18:26:22 »
I'm sorry to say that but this kind of things only happen in America, you won't see this kind of things in Europe or not that often at least.

Dude, Europe is oftentimes even more racist than America.  When was the last time you heard about someone making monkey noises at a black athlete in America?  I've never heard about it, but it's common in Europe.

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 01:15:12 »
I'm sorry to say that but this kind of things only happen in America, you won't see this kind of things in Europe or not that often at least.

Dude, Europe is oftentimes even more racist than America.  When was the last time you heard about someone making monkey noises at a black athlete in America?  I've never heard about it, but it's common in Europe.
also lynching negroes is common in europe. got a video?
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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 01:35:03 »
(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 01:37:11 »
I'm sorry to say that but this kind of things only happen in America, you won't see this kind of things in Europe or not that often at least.

Dude, Europe is oftentimes even more racist than America.  When was the last time you heard about someone making monkey noises at a black athlete in America?  I've never heard about it, but it's common in Europe.
also lynching negroes is common in europe. got a video?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/01/201213161933646447.html

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/138104/wilders-39-39-ideal-39-dutch-family-beats-turkish-man-to-death.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/18/2-greeks-charged-with-fatal-stabbing-pakistani-migrant-worker-in-athens/

I could go on and on.  Europe has a long history of racism and racially motivated murders, just more people sweep it under the rug than in the US.  The US is far from a utopia, but making the claim that Europe is some enlightened land of people is utter bull****.  If that were the case, Golden Dawn wouldn't exist and European countries wouldn't be enacting the xenphobic and Islamophobic laws many of the countries pass and put up for vote. 

I'm just sick and tired of European countries, Russia, and all these other countries around the world saying they're better than the US on the race front when they're just as bad, if not worse because they don't ****ing admit there's a race issue.  At least here in the US we acknowledge that racial conflict and disparity still exists.

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 01:45:32 »
I'm sorry to say that but this kind of things only happen in America, you won't see this kind of things in Europe or not that often at least.

Dude, Europe is oftentimes even more racist than America.  When was the last time you heard about someone making monkey noises at a black athlete in America?  I've never heard about it, but it's common in Europe.
also lynching negroes is common in europe. got a video?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/01/201213161933646447.html

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/138104/wilders-39-39-ideal-39-dutch-family-beats-turkish-man-to-death.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/18/2-greeks-charged-with-fatal-stabbing-pakistani-migrant-worker-in-athens/

I could go on and on.  Europe has a long history of racism and racially motivated murders, just more people sweep it under the rug than in the US.  The US is far from a utopia, but making the claim that Europe is some enlightened land of people is utter bull****.  If that were the case, Golden Dawn wouldn't exist and European countries wouldn't be enacting the xenphobic and Islamophobic laws many of the countries pass and put up for vote. 

I'm just sick and tired of European countries, Russia, and all these other countries around the world saying they're better than the US on the race front when they're just as bad, if not worse because they don't ****ing admit there's a race issue.  At least here in the US we acknowledge that racial conflict and disparity still exists.
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I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 02:12:37 »
Not sure if sarcasm or seriousness, but I honestly hope that you do realize that racism is still a massive issue in Europe and there are many racially, ethnically, and religiously motivated crimes throughout Europe still to this day.  The only real way to address racism is to admit that problems still persist and that it's not just an "American" thing and not just something in people's heads.

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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 03:05:17 »
racism is still a massive issue in Europe
you sure see it better from the other side of the pond.
(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 11:10:37 »
Let's not limit it to race.  Look at wonderful homophobic russian laws. But Europe can do no wrong.
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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 12:46:04 »
Seems more like a case of a cop going "oh no, a black man!" and shooting in a panic, rather than deliberate racist victimisation. Not that doesn't exist in the police force as well.

and that is not racist... how?
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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 12:53:11 »
Seems more like a case of a cop going "oh no, a black man!" and shooting in a panic, rather than deliberate racist victimisation. Not that doesn't exist in the police force as well.

and that is not racist... how?

Is being scared of a black person always motivated by racism? Or could it motivated by other factors? If so, when is it not racist to be afraid of a black person?
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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:18:08 »
Is being scared of a black person always motivated by racism? Or could it motivated by other factors? If so, when is it not racist to be afraid of a black person?

If you're scared of someone because of their race there's no way to classify it as anything other than racism.  If you're scared of someone because it's dark, you're in a bad neighborhood, and they're in gang colors dressed like a banger, that's one thing, but scared of someone because they're black, that's racism.

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:18:35 »
Look at wonderful homophobic russian laws
which ones?
(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:33:49 »
Look at wonderful homophobic russian laws
which ones?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/01/russia-rise-homophobic-violence

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The new laws, which have cast a shadow over the Winter Olympics to be held in Sochi early next year, ban the promotion of "non-traditional sexual relations" among minors.

That law?

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If you're scared of someone because of their race there's no way to classify it as anything other than racism.
That's reasonable.
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If you're scared of someone because it's dark, you're in a bad neighborhood, and they're in gang colors dressed like a banger, that's one thing, but scared of someone because they're black, that's racism.

What if they're wearing a hoodie? Is it okay to be afraid of a black guy wearing a hoodie? How about a black guy wearing a Bill Cosby sweater?

Full disclosure: I find Bill Cosby sweaters to be terrifying.

http://www.thecosbysweaterproject.com/
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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 14:10:50 »
Again, are you scared because they're black or because of codes that generally signify someone is up to no good? Your hoodie example, let's say a hoodie with the hood up at night not making eye contact or hanging out near alleys, definitely signals someone being up to no good regardless of their race.  The problem is when you base your actions upon race, color, religion, and so on and not upon symbolic codes (gang colors, hoodie up at night, etc.) and actions (acting nervous, touching a waistband frequently like they're checking that something is still there) that generally denote criminal activity. 

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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 14:34:21 »
Again, are you scared because they're black or because of codes that generally signify someone is up to no good? Your hoodie example, let's say a hoodie with the hood up at night not making eye contact or hanging out near alleys, definitely signals someone being up to no good regardless of their race.

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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 14:44:12 »
Missing the point here.

cops are ****s.
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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 14:47:57 »
America is no more racist than Europe and vice versa, the human race is sad and pathetic, people are desperate to categorise everyone and everything.
Integration and education are key in removing racism, but its a slow and drawn out measure that politicians can't realistically use to campaign on for the idiotic masses. I also feel that people feeling that there race is important to 'who they are' only helps to reinforce institutional racism, skin colour doesn't and shouldn't define who you are as a person.

It always amuses me how people immigrate into other countries (English people are just as guilty of this in places like Spain) and then live in communities of people from similar backgrounds/faiths or from the same country and then wonder why the natives grow negative feelings forwards them... what do you expect?


I've had the pleasure of being both privately and state educated and was shocked (literally) that when I went to state college all of the Asian guys there would be more than happy to chat with you in classes, but as soon as you left the class room they would all join together in one area and only really talk to other Asian guys. It was bizarre... and a lot of them were from different countries....

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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:00:01 »
Again, are you scared because they're black or because of codes that generally signify someone is up to no good? Your hoodie example, let's say a hoodie with the hood up at night not making eye contact or hanging out near alleys, definitely signals someone being up to no good regardless of their race.  The problem is when you base your actions upon race, color, religion, and so on and not upon symbolic codes (gang colors, hoodie up at night, etc.) and actions (acting nervous, touching a waistband frequently like they're checking that something is still there) that generally denote criminal activity.

I think it's a combination of these factors. If one of those factors is the person's race, and that combination of factors rises to the level of what someone might deem 'scary', is it still racist? Can race even allowed to be considered a factor? This sort of 'racism calculus' is amusing, but I can't help but feel that this is all really just about being able to cry "racism" whenever humanly possible. Are people allowed to filter all these factors through their experiences with various races? Or is that also racist? Has anyone, ever heard of a black person being shot by a white person, and someone calmly saying, "Well, the black person was wearing gang colors and acting very suspicously." and not had their life and career ruined by the 'black leadership'?

It's never happened. Those extenuating circumstances never matter to the racial arsonists, never.
The person being shot is black, and the shooter was white -- case closed.

I agree that there are people of all races who will fit into the behaviors you described. White people who wear gang colors, who dress like thugs and touch their waistbands, or expose their underwear to the world, they're lowlifes. Sorry, brah. White people like me refer to those sorts of people as 'white trash' and feel little to no kinship with them -- there's no solidarity at all, not in my family. They may be white in a technical sense, but not culturally, not at all. I'd rather live as the only white guy in a neighborhood filled with Bill Cosbys than live with them, because I have more in common with Cosby.

But if I feel the same way about a black person who acts the same way as white trash, I'm a racist. Maybe it's not their race and their behavior that's 'scary'? No, no, not possible -- I must be a racist. What I'll never understand is why black people who share my values put up with black people who act as described above, and give them moral coverage. Black people with great values have to stand up and say that those 'gangster' sort of blacks, aren't really 'black' they're something else entirely. But to date, I don't feel they have.

Well, actually Bill Cosby did: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~schochet/101/Cosby_Speech.htm

Quote from: Bill Cosby
Brown Versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem. We’ve got to take the neighborhood back (clapping). We’ve got to go in there. Just forget telling your child to go to the Peace Corps. It’s right around the corner. (laughter) It’s standing on the corner. It can’t speak English. It doesn’t want to speak English. I can’t even talk the way these people talk. “Why you ain’t where you is go, ra,” I don’t know who these people are. And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk (laughter). Then I heard the father talk. This is all in the house. You used to talk a certain way on the corner and you got into the house and switched to English. Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t land a plane with “why you ain’t…” You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. There is no Bible that has that kind of language. Where did these people get the idea that they’re moving ahead on this. Well, they know they’re not, they’re just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you’re just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out.

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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:04:22 »
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 This sort of 'racism calculus' is amusing, but I can't help but feel that this is all really just about being able to cry "racism" whenever humanly possible. Are people allowed to filter all these factors through their experiences with various races? Or is that also racist?

Yeah, every time I grow curious about what you've posted, and click to expand the hidden posting (hidden because you're on my Ignore list), I see tripe like this.

My bad.  Carry on.

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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:17:11 »
Quote from: Bill Cosby
Where did these people get the idea that they’re moving ahead on this. Well, they know they’re not, they’re just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you’re just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out.

But it's hard to get a job, and easy to just sit on my ass and collect welfare in the ghetto...

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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:20:27 »

Well, actually Bill Cosby did: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~schochet/101/Cosby_Speech.htm

Quote from: Bill Cosby
Brown Versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem. We’ve got to take the neighborhood back (clapping). We’ve got to go in there. Just forget telling your child to go to the Peace Corps. It’s right around the corner. (laughter) It’s standing on the corner. It can’t speak English. It doesn’t want to speak English. I can’t even talk the way these people talk. “Why you ain’t where you is go, ra,” I don’t know who these people are. And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk (laughter). Then I heard the father talk. This is all in the house. You used to talk a certain way on the corner and you got into the house and switched to English. Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t land a plane with “why you ain’t…” You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. There is no Bible that has that kind of language. Where did these people get the idea that they’re moving ahead on this. Well, they know they’re not, they’re just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you’re just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out.

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the **** makes you think bill cosby speaks for all black people? he's an extremely famous, very rich man... he represents himself. why would you paint him as a spokesperson for an entire race?

that's ****ed up.
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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:21:27 »

Well, actually Bill Cosby did: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~schochet/101/Cosby_Speech.htm

Quote from: Bill Cosby
Brown Versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem. We’ve got to take the neighborhood back (clapping). We’ve got to go in there. Just forget telling your child to go to the Peace Corps. It’s right around the corner. (laughter) It’s standing on the corner. It can’t speak English. It doesn’t want to speak English. I can’t even talk the way these people talk. “Why you ain’t where you is go, ra,” I don’t know who these people are. And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk (laughter). Then I heard the father talk. This is all in the house. You used to talk a certain way on the corner and you got into the house and switched to English. Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t land a plane with “why you ain’t…” You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. There is no Bible that has that kind of language. Where did these people get the idea that they’re moving ahead on this. Well, they know they’re not, they’re just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you’re just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out.

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the **** makes you think bill cosby speaks for all black people? he's an extremely famous, very rich man... he represents himself. why would you paint him as a spokesperson for an entire race?

that's ****ed up.


I consider myself the spokesman for all white people...

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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:25:34 »
Quote from: Bill Cosby
Where did these people get the idea that they’re moving ahead on this. Well, they know they’re not, they’re just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you’re just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out.

But it's hard to get a job, and easy to just sit on my ass and collect welfare in the ghetto...

Good luck getting a quality education if you live in the ghetto.  Not only is there income, health, and education inequality for low income minorities, but they lack the social capital (read network ties) that middle class families tend to have and that tend to be the things that actually get you decent paying jobs.  When all your friends and family friends work at minimum wage jobs, it's hard to get those network ties that help pull you out.

Of course, it's easier to generalize and just say that they're all just lazy and that's why they're poor.  I mean, that's why we have so many poor Hispanic people in America, right?  They're all off getting drunk off tequila and having siestas.
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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:30:39 »
They're all off getting drunk off tequila and having siestas.

Sounds like a pretty good life to me

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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:49:30 »
Quote from: Bill Cosby
Where did these people get the idea that they’re moving ahead on this. Well, they know they’re not, they’re just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you’re just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out.

But it's hard to get a job, and easy to just sit on my ass and collect welfare in the ghetto...

Good luck getting a quality education if you live in the ghetto.  Not only is there income, health, and education inequality for low income minorities, but they lack the social capital (read network ties) that middle class families tend to have and that tend to be the things that actually get you decent paying jobs.  When all your friends and family friends work at minimum wage jobs, it's hard to get those network ties that help pull you out.

Of course, it's easier to generalize and just say that they're all just lazy and that's why they're poor.  I mean, that's why we have so many poor Hispanic people in America, right?  They're all off getting drunk off tequila and having siestas.

I am glad you decided to agree with me nubb but you seem to have some extreme views that are a little distasteful if you ask me

Ok, you agreed with me and even gave multiple reasons (social, economic, etc...) why it's hard to get a job

Of course, it's easier to generalize and just say that they're all just lazy and that's why they're poor.  I mean, that's why we have so many poor Hispanic people in America, right?  They're all off getting drunk off tequila and having siestas.
PLEASE show me where I said anyone let alone EVERYONE was being lazy or drunk, or hispanic...
GREAT job in bringing race into this
I make a comment about the social entitlement epidemic and you go all asshat crazy turning it racist putting words in my mouth
well played...
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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:52:31 »
Seems more like a case of a cop going "oh no, a black man!" and shooting in a panic, rather than deliberate racist victimisation. Not that doesn't exist in the police force as well.

and that is not racist... how?
Because I worded it to be facetious. He didn't actually just go "black guy!" and shoot, there was a bunch of other factors, like the fact the guy came sprinting at him (allegedly). I'm not defending the cop, I'm just saying his actions were cowardly, inept, and trigger-happy (which is what I expect of US police tbh) rather than outright racist.

If you're scared of someone because of their race there's no way to classify it as anything other than racism.  If you're scared of someone because it's dark, you're in a bad neighborhood, and they're in gang colors dressed like a banger, that's one thing, but scared of someone because they're black, that's racism.
No it's not. Grow up. Context is relevant, obviously. But people really should just stop playing this game where we all pretend it's racist to take a person's race into consideration when weighing up judgement calls.

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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:55:13 »
my girlfriend is a mulatto. so she is half-"black", half-"white". i am "white".
when i argue with her, does it make me racist? or just half-racist?

sth already labeled me as racist, but i never take his posts seriously.
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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:01:24 »
Good luck getting a quality education if you live in the ghetto.  Not only is there income, health, and education inequality for low income minorities, but they lack the social capital (read network ties) that middle class families tend to have and that tend to be the things that actually get you decent paying jobs.  When all your friends and family friends work at minimum wage jobs, it's hard to get those network ties that help pull you out.

Of course, it's easier to generalize and just say that they're all just lazy and that's why they're poor.  I mean, that's why we have so many poor Hispanic people in America, right?  They're all off getting drunk off tequila and having siestas.
Those are disadvantages, but they're also excuses. The real thing that holds back people in deprived areas, whether it's black people in projects or white people in trailer parks is that those places have have a culture of laziness and unwarranted self-entitlement that stretches back generations. Look at the demographics of immigrants, whether they're Southeast Asian, African, Eastern European, whatever, they have the same disadvantages as domestic poor people yet don't exhibit any of the same behaviour, and actually find employment, start businesses, encourage their kids to do well academically, and actually improve their lot over successive generations.

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Re: lol racism isn't a problem anymore lol
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:29:10 »
Seems more like a case of a cop going "oh no, a black man!" and shooting in a panic, rather than deliberate racist victimisation. Not that doesn't exist in the police force as well.

and that is not racist... how?
Because I worded it to be facetious. He didn't actually just go "black guy!" and shoot, there was a bunch of other factors, like the fact the guy came sprinting at him (allegedly). I'm not defending the cop, I'm just saying his actions were cowardly, inept, and trigger-happy (which is what I expect of US police tbh) rather than outright racist.

If you're scared of someone because of their race there's no way to classify it as anything other than racism.  If you're scared of someone because it's dark, you're in a bad neighborhood, and they're in gang colors dressed like a banger, that's one thing, but scared of someone because they're black, that's racism.
No it's not. Grow up. Context is relevant, obviously. But people really should just stop playing this game where we all pretend it's racist to take a person's race into consideration when weighing up judgement calls.

i'm not pretending. your viewpoint is racist.
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