Topre Confusion

[jmchargue]

I hear a lot of people say that topre switches feel like "an indescribable rubber dome". I can describe it: it feels like a rubber dome.

But really. It feels like my macbook keyboard, but with a larger key throw.

Is it the cost that makes people enjoy it so much? Is there no other option but to love it, once you've spent that kind of money on it?

Typing this from a HHKB Pro 2.

[Puddsy]

Some people don't like Topre. It's not weird.

[jmchargue]

Some people don't like Topre. It's not weird.

It's not that I don't like it. It's just that I find nothing special about it. I mean it's fine, but by no means impressive to me.

[tjcaustin]

Joy, another one of these.

[SpAmRaY]

My wife costs me lots and lots of money I love her to.

[tjcaustin]

Maybe that's why I love my shiba inu...

[Jocelyn]

My wife costs me lots and lots of money I love her to.

OMG lol

[SpAmRaY]

My wife costs me lots and lots of money I love her to.

OMG lol

what's up jocelyn! hope you are doing well!!

[Jocelyn]

My wife costs me lots and lots of money I love her to.

OMG lol

what's up jocelyn! hope you are doing well!!

I stopped going to the beach, because Thorpe feels like my macbook keyboard

[SpAmRaY]

My wife costs me lots and lots of money I love her to.

OMG lol

what's up jocelyn! hope you are doing well!!

I stopped going to the beach, because Thorpe feels like my macbook keyboard

Must be the heat!!

[BunnyLake]

you cant account for lack of taste

[mrelectric]

I just got my HHKB2 on Friday and you need to give it some time, when I first got it, it felt like rubber domes too! But you have to type on it for a bit, then you finally realise what topre's all about. You start to appreciate the subtle differences in typing, it gets a lot better - just keep typing on it!

[morpheus]

THORPE because YOLO!

[daerid]

To some people, Topres don't feel like anything different. They feel like an expensive rubber dome. And those people will never be fans of Topres. And that's fine. There's nothing for you to "get". You just don't like it. I hate sushi, pretty much everybody I know loves it. Whatever.

[eth0s]

Hmm, well I guess if you think that spending $265 is going to buy you the ultimate typing experience in the universe, then you are going to be slightly disappointed.  However, with that said, Topre feels nothing like a macbook pro, nor does it feel like a rubber dome keyboard.  Is Topre the ultimate thing in the universe?  No.  All you can really say is that Topre is better than the competition, since it's better than any Cherry MX switch, and light years ahead of any rubber dome, or scissor switch.   The lubed, spring-modded, stickered ergo-panda-clear MX switches are in reality an attempt to imitate the feeling of Topre switches with MX.  Topre remains the gold standard, because it's better than the rest, not because it's intrinsically the greatest thing of all time.  On the other hand, as long as we are talking about the feeling we get from our fingers pressing keys on a keyboard, I don't know how much better things can get than Topre.  Maybe there is something better out there waiting to be invented, but until then, Topre is the best.  But if you are unsatisfied, send the HHKB Pro 2 back for a refund.  Go back to the macbook pro.  Enjoy your life.

[SpAmRaY]

Some people don't like Topre. It's not weird.

It's not that I don't like it. It's just that I find nothing special about it. I mean it's fine, but by no means impressive to me.

What key caps does it have on it?

[spiceBar]

I hear a lot of people say that topre switches feel like "an indescribable rubber dome". I can describe it: it feels like a rubber dome.

But really. It feels like my macbook keyboard, but with a larger key throw.

Is it the cost that makes people enjoy it so much? Is there no other option but to love it, once you've spent that kind of money on it?

Typing this from a HHKB Pro 2.

The greatness of something generally hits you when you are not trying to consciously assess it.

As soon as you try to understand why you like it or not, it becomes really difficult to sort it out.

I have several mechanical keyboards, Cherry MX blue, red and brown, Realforce and Leopold FC660C.

After having purchased the Realforce (a TKL) and used it for a while on my main computer, I received my KBT Pure Pros (I have one with reds and one with browns). I modded the KBTs with grease and silencers. It felt absolutely great, and I love them because they are 60% (the closer the mouse, the better).

I put the Realforce on my second computer, a Linux box.

One day I found myself having to type a lot of commands on the Linux box to install a printer. And then it hit me. The Realforce was really a pleasure to type on.

That's how I realized I had a slight preference for Topre switches. I would not say they are light years ahead Cherry MX, but it is true that most mods on Cherry MX actually tend to make them closer to Topres. And I don't think people realize that's what they are doing.

But then there is the next level: silenced Topres. Either a Type-S model (available for Realforce and HHKB, but not Leopold FC660C), or DIY.

I modded the FC660C to silence it. Now I can tell it's really better than Cherry MX, and that I have no idea how to make a Cherry MX feel as good.

I also did the silencing mod on the Realforce, and same result. What was slightly better than Cherry MX (a preference I had discovered almost by accident) now felt really way better.

I keep switching from Silenced Topres to improved Cherry MX, so I'm not saying Topres are the only way to go. But they do have something I have never felt on rubber domes. The very solid feel of the keyboard, the confident "Thump" sound, the extremely reliable actuation point. I just type faster and with more pleasure on them.

So just keep switching between your keyboards and after a while maybe you will feel that one type of switch feels a little better after all, and maybe this will be Topre.

Or maybe not, there is nothing wrong in having a different opinion on such a matter. Thank god we have several great choices available to us!

[Photekq]

it's opinion. how many ****ing threads need to be made before people realise key switches are entirely a matter of opinion? seriously.. keyswitches feel different to everyone, we all have our own tastes.

i thought topre was nice, but no better than mx. other people swear by topre. other people think topre is crap. simple as that.

[MKULTRA]

Maybe that's why I love my shiba inu...

OMG tj post a picture of your dog those things are soo cute!

[jmchargue]

So just keep switching between your keyboards

Maybe this is my problem, I only have the Happy Hacking (I have an old apls that only plugs into an IBM personal computer 2 circa 1981). Maybe I needed to buy some ****tier keyboards first? I think there's also the fact that a keyboard feeling "good" is completely subjective to the user. To say that Topre is just better is a hard thing to define. I honestly feel like I would enjoy buckling spring or MX clears a little more, because I like the mechanical nature of it.

But then again there's the difference between activating a switch, and typing things for real. I have an alps keyboard, and just actuating the switches brings a smile to my face, but typing paragraphs makes me cringe.

So really, the ultimate keyboard is one that disappears?

[SpAmRaY]

So just keep switching between your keyboards

Maybe this is my problem, I only have the Happy Hacking (I have an old apls that only plugs into an IBM personal computer 2 circa 1981). Maybe I needed to buy some ****tier keyboards first? I think there's also the fact that a keyboard feeling "good" is completely subjective to the user. To say that Topre is just better is a hard thing to define. I honestly feel like I would enjoy buckling spring or MX clears a little more, because I like the mechanical nature of it.

But then again there's the difference between activating a switch, and typing things for real. I have an alps keyboard, and just actuating the switches brings a smile to my face, but typing paragraphs makes me cringe.

So really, the ultimate keyboard is one that disappears?

Have you considered getting some mx switches to test (I know its not the same as a full keyboard) or try and find some in a store you can demo?

[jmchargue]

Have you considered getting some mx switches to test (I know its not the same as a full keyboard) or try and find some in a store you can demo?

I would love to, but I'm pretty sure no stores in my area have these. And like I said, on switch by switch basis, I'm sure I'd make a terrible decision.

Anyone on GH live in Boulder and would let me type on their keyboards?

[MKULTRA]

Have you considered getting some mx switches to test (I know its not the same as a full keyboard) or try and find some in a store you can demo?

I would love to, but I'm pretty sure no stores in my area have these. And like I said, on switch by switch basis, I'm sure I'd make a terrible decision.

Anyone on GH live in Boulder and would let me type on their keyboards?

http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-sampler-kit.html
http://www.amazon.com/Max-Keyboard-Keycap-Cherry-Sampler/dp/B00E71W4O8

[Jocelyn]

Have you considered getting some mx switches to test (I know its not the same as a full keyboard) or try and find some in a store you can demo?

I would love to, but I'm pretty sure no stores in my area have these. And like I said, on switch by switch basis, I'm sure I'd make a terrible decision.

Anyone on GH live in Boulder and would let me type on their keyboards?

Micro Center is less than an hour away lol

[rowdy]

you cant account for lack of taste

I wonder what Thorpe tastes like.

http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-sampler-kit.html
http://www.amazon.com/Max-Keyboard-Keycap-Cherry-Sampler/dp/B00E71W4O8

http://www.qwerkeys.co.uk/shop/index.php?route=product/category&path=75

[Thimplum]

you cant account for lack of taste

That is legitimately the most rude thing I've ever seen bunny say.

[TimIsABat]

I've used many rubber dome keyboards out there, and my HHKB Pro 2 feels nothing like a regular rubber dome. Definitely not the cheap types that they bundle with PCs or Macs. Definitely a feeling you understand after typing for some time (even though I only had a few weeks with this thing...I definitely feel a huge difference).

[Sifo]

DT35 > topre

where's that new guy to back me up

[KangarooZombies]

Dont mac books use Scissor switches?

Why are you comparing a topre to a scissor switch then complaining that it feels like a rubber dome?

This whole post is thoroughly uneducated.

Please go back to typing on your macbook pro and stop making the same complaint thread we have seen a thousand times.

Kangaroo~

[fuzzybaffy]

People can hate Topre all they want. I don't care if people hate Topre. But don't call them "just another rubber dome."

[DamienG]

I hear a lot of people say that topre switches feel like "an indescribable rubber dome". I can describe it: it feels like a rubber dome.

But really. It feels like my macbook keyboard, but with a larger key throw.

If you wanted people to believe a Topre felt like a rubber-dome you probably shouldn't have then said they are both like a scissor-switch laptop as now nobody thinks your opinion is worth much at all...

[Kian]

I don't personally own a Topre, but I have used the HHKB Pro 2 for a good few minutes and I feel exactly the same way you do. I feel nothing special about this switch. Perhaps it was because I was expecting something totally different. Why are they so expensive? I feel like I'm overthinking such a simple keyboard.

[rowdy]

I don't personally own a Topre, but I have used the HHKB Pro 2 for a good few minutes and I feel exactly the same way you do. I feel nothing special about this switch. Perhaps it was because I was expecting something totally different. Why are they so expensive? I feel like I'm overthinking such a simple keyboard.

Perhaps you just did not use it for long enough.

A few minutes is not enough to appreciate any switch.

It is generally said to use Topre keyboard for a week or two, then switch back to something else and see what you think.

[Kian]

I don't personally own a Topre, but I have used the HHKB Pro 2 for a good few minutes and I feel exactly the same way you do. I feel nothing special about this switch. Perhaps it was because I was expecting something totally different. Why are they so expensive? I feel like I'm overthinking such a simple keyboard.

Perhaps you just did not use it for long enough.

A few minutes is not enough to appreciate any switch.

It is generally said to use Topre keyboard for a week or two, then switch back to something else and see what you think.

Yeah, I think sometime in the future I'll go ahead and try a Topre board and see how I like it. I'm still trying to formulate my own opinion about Brown's.

[Linkbane]

Hmm, well I guess if you think that spending $265 is going to buy you the ultimate typing experience in the universe, then you are going to be slightly disappointed.  However, with that said, Topre feels nothing like a macbook pro, nor does it feel like a rubber dome keyboard.  Is Topre the ultimate thing in the universe?  No.  All you can really say is that Topre is better than the competition, since it's better than any Cherry MX switch, and light years ahead of any rubber dome, or scissor switch.   The lubed, spring-modded, stickered ergo-panda-clear MX switches are in reality an attempt to imitate the feeling of Topre switches with MX.  Topre remains the gold standard, because it's better than the rest, not because it's intrinsically the greatest thing of all time.  On the other hand, as long as we are talking about the feeling we get from our fingers pressing keys on a keyboard, I don't know how much better things can get than Topre.  Maybe there is something better out there waiting to be invented, but until then, Topre is the best.  But if you are unsatisfied, send the HHKB Pro 2 back for a refund.  Go back to the macbook pro.  Enjoy your life.

Oh, so false and passive aggressive. Continue releasing your anger at the fact that someone is not in love with an expensive rubber dome. You delude yourself to laughable points. Most people don't want Topre because it's both expensive and doesn't feel much different from a rubber dome, probably why it's rare, not because it's so good but because it's really not good. You don't need to provide with the fact that you think Topre is the best thing since doubleshots, because it's painfully obvious that you are a rabid fanboy.

By the way, probably the most common thing that I've heard to describe Topre is 'expensive rubber dome', by lovers and haters alike. You're *telling* the poster what the Topre is and is not when he has clearly made his own judgments and doesn't like it. It's just like daerid says, all taste. SpiceBar and photekq make the same point. Don't get angry at him because he doesn't like what you do. There are lots of people like that in this world, and we call them intolerant. Be grateful that online they're just called fanboys.

[KangarooZombies]

Hmm, well I guess if you think that spending $265 is going to buy you the ultimate typing experience in the universe, then you are going to be slightly disappointed.  However, with that said, Topre feels nothing like a macbook pro, nor does it feel like a rubber dome keyboard.  Is Topre the ultimate thing in the universe?  No.  All you can really say is that Topre is better than the competition, since it's better than any Cherry MX switch, and light years ahead of any rubber dome, or scissor switch.   The lubed, spring-modded, stickered ergo-panda-clear MX switches are in reality an attempt to imitate the feeling of Topre switches with MX.  Topre remains the gold standard, because it's better than the rest, not because it's intrinsically the greatest thing of all time.  On the other hand, as long as we are talking about the feeling we get from our fingers pressing keys on a keyboard, I don't know how much better things can get than Topre.  Maybe there is something better out there waiting to be invented, but until then, Topre is the best.  But if you are unsatisfied, send the HHKB Pro 2 back for a refund.  Go back to the macbook pro.  Enjoy your life.

Oh, so false and passive aggressive. Continue releasing your anger at the fact that someone is not in love with an expensive rubber dome. You delude yourself to laughable points. Most people don't want Topre because it's both expensive and doesn't feel much different from a rubber dome, probably why it's rare, not because it's so good but because it's really not good. You don't need to provide with the fact that you think Topre is the best thing since doubleshots, because it's painfully obvious that you are a rabid fanboy.

By the way, probably the most common thing that I've heard to describe Topre is 'expensive rubber dome', by lovers and haters alike. You're *telling* the poster what the Topre is and is not when he has clearly made his own judgments and doesn't like it. It's just like daerid says, all taste. SpiceBar and photekq make the same point. Don't get angry at him because he doesn't like what you do. There are lots of people like that in this world, and we call them intolerant. Be grateful that online they're just called fanboys.

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[4 realz tho im sick of all this ****, topre is hella nice, some people like mx, but i dont give a ****]

[snoopy]

Is tp4 banned? I don't see anything ergodox related in this thread?!

[KangarooZombies]

Is tp4 banned? I don't see anything ergodox related in this thread?!

inb4 topre ergodox

[dragonxx21]

Is tp4 banned? I don't see anything ergodox related in this thread?!

inb4 topre ergodox

eth0s seems to be the topre equivalent of tp4. He just fleshes out his bashing.

[Linkbane]

4 realz tho im sick of all this ****, topre is hella nice, some people like mx, but i dont give a ****

Not slobbering over the meatstick of Topre means that I'm an MX fanboy, gg then.

[KangarooZombies]

4 realz tho im sick of all this ****, topre is hella nice, some people like mx, but i dont give a ****

Not slobbering over the meatstick of Topre means that I'm an MX fanboy, gg then.

[VesperSAINT]

Have you tried cherry MY switches? I think you'll like those; they feel nothing like a macbook keyboard.

[KangarooZombies]

Have you tried cherry MY switches? I think you'll like those; they feel nothing like a macbook keyboard.

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inb4 cherry MY confusion thread.

[rowdy]

Is tp4 banned? I don't see anything ergodox related in this thread?!

Yes.

[dragonxx21]

Is tp4 banned? I don't see anything ergodox related in this thread?!

Yes.

He's not banned.

[ComradeSniper]

Is tp4 banned? I don't see anything ergodox related in this thread?!

Yes.

He's not banned.

Just temporarily.

[ohgodpleaseno]

Typical Thorpe thread.

[VesperSAINT]

Typical Thorpe thread.

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:))

[snoopy]

Typical Thorpe thread.

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the lonely guy uses mx...

[flaming_june]

Honestly who cares about what other people say about something.  You've tried it, you don't find it interesting, sell it and recoup your losses, live to learn another day.