Is there any TKL ISO keyboard with MX Clears?

[dust]

Hey there. I originally wanted to get a WASD V2 TKL/ISO with clears. But they are currently out of stock and according to the email response I got from WASD's support team, MX clear V2s won't be back in stock before August 2014. So I spent a day searching for an alternative but did not find any. Am I out of luck?

[IvanIvanovich]

Ducky G2Pro TKL MX clear is other choice.

[Findecanor]

Ducky G2Pro TKL MX clear is other choice.

Note that the Ducky's with "Brown/Clear mix" have MX Brown for most keys, but MX Clear for the modifiers...

[IvanIvanovich]

If their listing is correct it should be all clears under the German layout.

[dust]

Thanks a bunch!

[dust]

Alright, is there any review of the G2Pro here on GH?

[terran5992]

Alright, is there any review of the G2Pro here on GH?

Its a quality keyboard. It will not dissapoint

[Linkbane]

Alright, is there any review of the G2Pro here on GH?

Its a quality keyboard. It will not dissapoint

Thick, dye-sub PBT if I remember correctly. If so, it's the very best you can get, a set of those will run you almost $90 off of feng's ebay, one of the only places you can get them.

[dust]

Alright, thanks for the help. Since it is somewhat related to this topic I'll ask another question here.
What's the advantage of modding the switchtes to ergo clears and lubing them? Is the only difference the actuation force, so a mod is not needed if I like the stiffness of the keys?

[IvanIvanovich]

Some people find stock clear too fatiguing, but like the tactility so they mod them using lighter springs to make it more suitable to their preference. Lubing makes switch feel a bit smoother, but I find it too much effort and time consuming so I don't bother. For the most part I find the switches get smoother after break in period anyway.

[dust]

Thanks. I wanted Clears because I don't like the high pitched clicking sound of the Blues and the Browns offer too little tactility and are a little too light. I was able to test out Blues and Brown, but not Clears, so this would be a blind buy based on my experience with Blues and Browns.
But now I have read this, which confuses me:

These switches, with their higher operating force, are used in keyboards that give a feeling that approaches that of a rubber dome keyboard. Keyboards based on the Cherry MX Clears are seldom seen because they offer little advantage over devices with cheaper rubber dome switches.

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Is this true?

[LouisHjelmslev]

Just chiming in here, as I have brown and blue, and only recently obtained clears (about a week ago). At first, I was disappointed. Not enough bump for what I thought it would be, and the additional actuation force made the whole experience feel sloppy (as opposed the precise click + bottoming out of blues).
However, after using the board regularly for a bit of time now, I can definitely appreciate its uniqueness (stock clears, that is).

These switches, with their higher operating force, are used in keyboards that give a feeling that approaches that of a rubber dome keyboard. Keyboards based on the Cherry MX Clears are seldom seen because they offer little advantage over devices with cheaper rubber dome switches.

In part I can agree with this, in that there is a softness that's similar to rubber domes. For me at least though, they're more like a hybrid between browns and pretty good quality rubber domes. Of course, they come with the added robustness of the typical mechanical keyboard. All in all, there are some tacky rubber domes that even exceed the cost of fairly priced clears, so cost in itself wasn't a deciding factor for me.

Besides, isn't this whole thing about the process of going through a variety of keyboards types and enjoying it whilst a hole is burned through your wallet? 
Meaning, if you already have blue and browns, get a clear, have fun with it, but I'm sure you'll find reasons to get other types!

[IvanIvanovich]

I wouldn't compare them to rubber domes at all. Clears are pretty much the opposite as in the ramp up drastically in force after actuation, where as domes require more preload force then simply collapse and bottom out hard.

[Findecanor]

I would almost liken them to short-throw rubber domes that bottom out veerrryy softly.
It feels like a rubber dome and a spring together.

[LouisHjelmslev]

I would almost liken them to short-throw rubber domes that bottom out veerrryy softly.
It feels like a rubber dome and a spring together.

Definitely

[Fullcream]

Try not to be worried by something if it has a similarity to a rubber dome switch. MX Clear is still mechanical and will feel far more precise and positive than a rubber dome. I think what people may mean by it having a similar feeling to a rubber dome is it's longer tactile bump which gives it a smoothness unique to other mx switches which others find agreeable. Think of Topre. soo much development into a switch using a rubber dome.

[dust]

Does anybody know what the difference between the G2Pro and the G2Pro "Black Mamba" would be? Thanks.

[IvanIvanovich]

Black Mamba is all black, with engraved black PBT keycap.

[dust]

ah, minimalism is just what i wanted

[tuxsavvy]

ah, minimalism is just what i wanted

If minimalism is your thing then you should have went for something like 60% or chorded keyboards.

Anyway, I guess a TKL is already a sign of one want to change to smaller layout.

[Findecanor]

Minimalism is not about size, but the absence of clutter.

I prefer TKL because it has those keys that I use, and not many more. I never used the numeric keypad, but I am dependent on the cursor keys and nav clusters - and it is easier to use them without having to hold a Fn key.

[dust]

ah, minimalism is just what i wanted

If minimalism is your thing then you should have went for something like 60% or chorded keyboards.

Anyway, I guess a TKL is already a sign of one want to change to smaller layout.

When I was talking about minimalism I was not referring to the size of the keyboard, as the "best" size depends on what you want to do with the board. For example, I won't travel with a full sized board but a num block is definitaley useful if you enter a lot of IP adresses. What I meant by minimalism is that my keyboard neither looks nor glows like a christmas tree and does not have 834 media buttons. That's why I went with a monocolor board and ordered some blank keycaps in addition. I know from various threads I've read that a lot of users here prefer the christmas tree. Nothing wrong with that, just not my cup of tea.

[dust]

wow, just wow. my keyboard arrived today and it is the greatest disappointment ever. whenever i press a key on the lower left side of the board (for example left ctrl) the whole board is rocking back and forth like crazy. do these guys have no quality testing? i'm so mad for paying over 30$ of shipping costs which i will have to pay again now to send this piece of crap back.

[IvanIvanovich]

It's not uncommon for platemount keyboard to warp in transit, especially in the cold months. Hold one hand on each end and give it some twist, just be careful not to use too much force and go slowly but firm. Most of time you can get it level again.

[dust]

Thanks, I'm going to wait what Ducky's customer support has to say before potentially damaging it though.

[dust]

edit: meh.

[IvanIvanovich]

Good to hear it was able to be resolved easily. Enjoy your keyboard.