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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2050 on: Tue, 27 January 2015, 23:27:58 »
^ lack of enforcement on behalf of the Vietnamese authorities, most likely.

we should send a squad of vigilante geekhackers

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2051 on: Wed, 28 January 2015, 01:58:44 »
Vaders? **** man.  :confused:

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2052 on: Wed, 28 January 2015, 02:00:48 »
Vaders? **** man.  :confused:

Hey! That's not a gif.
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2053 on: Wed, 28 January 2015, 02:04:45 »

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2054 on: Wed, 28 January 2015, 02:07:13 »
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2055 on: Wed, 28 January 2015, 02:08:52 »


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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2056 on: Wed, 28 January 2015, 02:16:15 »
^ lack of enforcement on behalf of the Vietnamese authorities, most likely.

we should send a squad of vigilante geekhackers
because last time you muricans went to Vietnam it went so well ...
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2057 on: Wed, 28 January 2015, 05:55:10 »

^ lack of enforcement on behalf of the Vietnamese authorities, most likely.

we should send a squad of vigilante geekhackers
because last time you muricans went to Vietnam it went so well ...

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2058 on: Wed, 28 January 2015, 07:08:52 »
^ lack of enforcement on behalf of the Vietnamese authorities, most likely.

we should send a squad of vigilante geekhackers
because last time you muricans went to Vietnam it went so well ...

I seem to remember we were only there because the French couldn't take care of business...

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2059 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:41:09 »
I realize it's an 'ironic joke' or whatever the ****, but it makes you look like a scumbag HP. If that is in fact who's account it is... or someone who is trying to make Hipsterpunk look like a ****ty tool.
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2060 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:43:35 »
No, he’s not around. How that sound to ya? Jot it down.

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2061 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:44:57 »
Don't see how it can be interpreted in any other way. Unless it's for charity or something.

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2062 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:47:06 »
ridiculous price. ridiculous description.

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2063 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:48:59 »
So then he's going to donate 100% of the proceeds to GH right?

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2064 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:49:49 »
I realize it's an 'ironic joke' or whatever the ****, but it makes you look like a scumbag HP. If that is in fact who's account it is... or someone who is trying to make Hipsterpunk look like a ****ty tool.
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2065 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:50:12 »
I would be surprised if anyone actually bought it. I doubt he has thought that far ahead. And why does he have to donate the proceeds? It is his cap to sell for whatever price he wants.

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Re: fake clack discussion
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2067 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:53:02 »
if anyone is actually stupid enough to purchase this cap, the proceeds will be sent to CC's paypal
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2068 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:53:16 »
Oh OK, so if it were a less popular member everyone would be on this like flies on ****.

BRB going to kick some puppies to make an ironic statement about people who abuse animals. For teh lulz

if anyone is actually stupid enough to purchase this cap, the proceeds will be sent to CC's paypal

Well that's not so bad then

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2069 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:55:00 »
if anyone is actually stupid enough to purchase this cap, the proceeds will be sent to CC's paypal



I gave CC a tip in my win as a thanks for being awesome.  I wish people actually gave him money when they sold Clacks for profit.

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2070 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:58:22 »
Oh OK, so if it were a less popular member everyone would be on this like flies on ****.

BRB going to kick some puppies to make an ironic statement about people who abuse animals. For teh lulz

if anyone is actually stupid enough to purchase this cap, the proceeds will be sent to CC's paypal

Well that's not so bad then

> popular member
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2071 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:59:33 »
Oh OK, so if it were a less popular member everyone would be on this like flies on ****.

BRB going to kick some puppies to make an ironic statement about people who abuse animals. For teh lulz

if anyone is actually stupid enough to purchase this cap, the proceeds will be sent to CC's paypal

Well that's not so bad then

> popular member

He explained it, conversation's over. Crawl back under your bridge.

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2072 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 23:01:21 »
> popular member

hipster pls stop being a scumbag because you're going to hurt noisy's feelings
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2073 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 23:02:22 »
i got this cap to compare materials with suspicious CC's to see if k3 has in fact released other non marked CC clones. The ebay thing was some reddit trolling while i was bored. I dont expect it to sell, i dont want $400 for it, i think k3 is a jerkoff. Im just enjoying a joke at the expense of k3
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2074 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 23:03:02 »
well it's a good thing no idiot fell for it.













wait a minute..


if anyone is actually stupid enough to purchase this cap, the proceeds will be sent to CC's paypal

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I gave CC a tip in my win as a thanks for being awesome.  I wish people actually gave him money when they sold Clacks for profit.

nubs, i like you.

but that is retarded.
« Last Edit: Thu, 12 February 2015, 23:05:56 by demik »
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2075 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 23:13:18 »
Oh OK, so if it were a less popular member everyone would be on this like flies on ****.

BRB going to kick some puppies to make an ironic statement about people who abuse animals. For teh lulz

if anyone is actually stupid enough to purchase this cap, the proceeds will be sent to CC's paypal

Well that's not so bad then

> popular member

He explained it, conversation's over. Crawl back under your bridge.


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Re: fake clack discussion
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It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2082 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 00:35:15 »
No, he’s not around. How that sound to ya? Jot it down.

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Re: fake clack discussion
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2084 on: Tue, 17 February 2015, 17:12:46 »
Well on Taobao you can bargain with the seller.

Most items priced obscenely on Taobao are meant for the seller to make a counteroffer.

For example, the same seller has a Valentine set for sale listed at "6666 CNY", which is clearly ridiculous. He means that you should message him directly and make an offer.
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2085 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 01:09:14 »
He can and has made clones with CCs logo on them.

I was shown photos by a member of KBC who wants to remain anonymous. (And, annoyingly, has asked me not to share the photos)

There are still some imperfections (like in what he has now), but if you're not looking, you just might miss it...

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2086 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 01:22:54 »
He can and has made clones with CCs logo on them.

I was shown photos by a member of KBC who wants to remain anonymous. (And, annoyingly, has asked me not to share the photos)

There are still some imperfections (like in what he has now), but if you're not looking, you just might miss it...

That's all I've got for now. Ta.

I'm starting to wonder whether that F2 Drunken is one of his. Would make sense that he'd try to cover up his ****ty work by stamping them as F2's.
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2087 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 01:42:14 »
He can and has made clones with CCs logo on them.

I was shown photos by a member of KBC who wants to remain anonymous. (And, annoyingly, has asked me not to share the photos)

There are still some imperfections (like in what he has now), but if you're not looking, you just might miss it...

That's all I've got for now. Ta.

I'm starting to wonder whether that F2 Drunken is one of his. Would make sense that he'd try to cover up his ****ty work by stamping them as F2's.

Belfong got the F2 Drunken from a reputable source.  It's the real deal. :)
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2088 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 01:44:17 »
He can and has made clones with CCs logo on them.

I was shown photos by a member of KBC who wants to remain anonymous. (And, annoyingly, has asked me not to share the photos)

There are still some imperfections (like in what he has now), but if you're not looking, you just might miss it...

That's all I've got for now. Ta.

I'm starting to wonder whether that F2 Drunken is one of his. Would make sense that he'd try to cover up his ****ty work by stamping them as F2's.

Belfong got the F2 Drunken from a reputable source.  It's the real deal. :)

Fair call. Makes me worry about doing trades in future though. Might have to keep it to people I know or people who can prove they got the item from CC.
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2089 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 01:46:54 »
He can and has made clones with CCs logo on them.

I was shown photos by a member of KBC who wants to remain anonymous. (And, annoyingly, has asked me not to share the photos)

There are still some imperfections (like in what he has now), but if you're not looking, you just might miss it...

That's all I've got for now. Ta.

I'm starting to wonder whether that F2 Drunken is one of his. Would make sense that he'd try to cover up his ****ty work by stamping them as F2's.

Belfong got the F2 Drunken from a reputable source.  It's the real deal. :)

Fair call. Makes me worry about doing trades in future though. Might have to keep it to people I know or people who can prove they got the item from CC.

Yes, definitely.  I know I'm starting to get paranoid about trading/buying CCs now.
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2090 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 01:53:43 »
Mine is totally legit. Bought it from a verified source that will only do CONUS only which was the reason I was forced to use Borderlinx proxy service. I can definitely understand how it  might look like, me being in Asia and all.

I didn't even notice that taobao link in this thread and now it gave me pause for future purchases. How can one even get assured these days?
 

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2091 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 01:55:23 »
Mine is totally legit. Bought it from a verified source that will only do CONUS only which was the reason I was forced to use Borderlinx proxy service. I can definitely understand how it  might look like, me being in Asia and all.

I didn't even notice that taobao link in this thread and now it gave me pause for future purchases. How can one even get assured these days?

Oh don't get me wrong man, that wasn't in any way meant to insinuate anything towards you. I was more worried you'd been scammed.
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2092 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 02:46:35 »
Mine is totally legit. Bought it from a verified source that will only do CONUS only which was the reason I was forced to use Borderlinx proxy service. I can definitely understand how it  might look like, me being in Asia and all.

I didn't even notice that taobao link in this thread and now it gave me pause for future purchases. How can one even get assured these days?

Oh don't get me wrong man, that wasn't in any way meant to insinuate anything towards you. I was more worried you'd been scammed.
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2093 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:21:58 »
He can and has made clones with CCs logo on them.

I was shown photos by a member of KBC who wants to remain anonymous. (And, annoyingly, has asked me not to share the photos)

There are still some imperfections (like in what he has now), but if you're not looking, you just might miss it...

That's all I've got for now. Ta.

I'm starting to wonder whether that F2 Drunken is one of his. Would make sense that he'd try to cover up his ****ty work by stamping them as F2's.

Belfong got the F2 Drunken from a reputable source.  It's the real deal. :)

Fair call. Makes me worry about doing trades in future though. Might have to keep it to people I know or people who can prove they got the item from CC.

Yep.  Makes it real sketchy to trade anything now.  :(  Maybe CC can start offering certificates of authenticity.   :-\

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« Reply #2094 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 09:38:00 »
As far as I know, he only made 1 or 2. I've been talking with the Vietnamese guys to see if I can get more.

If I get anything new I'll let you know.
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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2095 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 10:02:35 »
As far as I know, he only made 1 or 2. I've been talking with the Vietnamese guys to see if I can get more.

If I get anything new I'll let you know.



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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2096 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 10:10:37 »
As far as I know, he only made 1 or 2. I've been talking with the Vietnamese guys to see if I can get more.

If I get anything new I'll let you know.


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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2097 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 10:21:14 »
http://2.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2007.1000337.16.4.6gmw83&id=43776738029

LOL, is that like $100 US dollars for some fake clacks?? That's a hole new level of trolling...Introduce fake clacks, troll = #1, sell them for ludicrous prices = troll #2...360 no-scope troll confirmed..

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2098 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 10:25:50 »
Not to be disrespectful of you Tacstache but what was the point of saying you have seen them, if you can't prove you have seen them or they even exist seem like scare mongering to me :x also again not to be disrespectful but you always just seem to babble about a load of crap, again I like you but I don't think there was even a point to bring up in what you said :/

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Re: fake clack discussion
« Reply #2099 on: Wed, 18 February 2015, 11:29:15 »
you always just seem to babble about a load of crap

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