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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 12:00:33 »
Next, we can add sound reactive module and I can truly realize my Disco Inferno keyboard dreams!

Artificial click sounds pls.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 12:13:05 »
Next, we can add sound reactive module and I can truly realize my Disco Inferno keyboard dreams!

Artificial click sounds pls.

with custom sounds!!

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 12:39:27 »
Well played, Corsair! It's a win for both in my opinion; we get these new great lighting, for those who care, and they get our money. Hopefully the costs won't be too much higher, though.
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #53 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 12:47:51 »
No.. not fake click noise, I mean sound reactive like this...

It could change colors and speed along with your typing speed, or with music, game sounds...
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #54 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 13:08:59 »
So I'm trying to wrap my head around this:
Cherry puts up their "Gaming" site because of course gaming = LEDs everywhere
The use of (RGB) LEDs would still be determinant on the PCB, etc.
Clear top housings (which existed already), but this time the bottom/body housing is clear
... the same 4 switch types ...
I'm also guessing to keep the cost down since this "new technology" will be quite expensive, the keyboards that adorn these switches will have the same ****ty painted-abs-clear-coated-so-the-light-will-shine-thru keycaps

I can't contain all this excite ... :rolleyes:
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #55 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 13:33:02 »
No, it will only be available with linear Red stems.
Clear top housings didn't exist before hand. Only certain Nixdorf keyboards had these, and I guess it was a speciel order and so not a part of Cherrys product lineup. IIRC, Cherry has no recordings of ever producing said switch tops.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #56 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 13:42:42 »
Time to strip some corsair boards in 2014  :rolleyes:
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #57 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 15:20:59 »
I'll probably get a board with those switches eventually, but I doubt it will be a Corsair one.

But who knows, maybe they surprise me with a standard TKL board that is not fugly :p

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #58 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 15:22:09 »
wounder how bright they are

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #59 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 16:25:51 »
I'm surprised they got it, they are not very popular boards, and I hope they don't goof the design, i'm sure we can all agree we want a standard keyboard and not another F117 looking thing like their K series

Probably because nobody else wants to pay them money for anything besides their switches.
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #60 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 16:57:32 »
"CHERRY and CORSAIR – Partner for an exclusive joint launch of CHERRY MX RGB switches and keyboards in 2014"   <=== this i hate, GO FILCO i mean order as much as u can and produce decent quality board with backlight
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 17:32:58 »
"CHERRY and CORSAIR – Partner for an exclusive joint launch of CHERRY MX RGB switches and keyboards in 2014"   <=== this i hate, GO FILCO i mean order as much as u can and produce decent quality board with backlight

If Filco wished to provide Cherry with the money to make these, then they would. Not being inclined to help, they obviously have not.
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 17:45:10 »
Eh, never really wanted LEDs in my keyboard, still don't, especially since it'll probably be hella expensive!

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 19:08:28 »
Interesting that Corsair gets an exclusive deal on these even as other companies (eg. Tesoro, Luxeed) are working on their own RGB mech models. I guess those other companies must be using a different system (perhaps LETIS-style switch bypass).

If so, it'll be interesting to see what happens when the different RGB implementations compete.

Its an exciting announcement with more in place for CES so I can't say much at this time. However, any mechanical keyboards that will support RGB will *not* be Cherry MX switches.

What are you guys' input on the other types of mechanical switches?

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 19:26:46 »
Please corsair make your RGB keyboard in standard ANSI layout without media keys. PLEASE.

Can you explain why you don't like the media keys? I bring it up because its actually the most requested feature on the keyboard, especially volume control if nothing else. However, it's always good to get feedback from others who feel differently.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 19:29:51 »
Its an exciting announcement with more in place for CES so I can't say much at this time. However, any mechanical keyboards that will support RGB will *not* be Cherry MX switches.

What are you guys' input on the other types of mechanical switches?

Is this at CES? or in general? Is this all a hoax?

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 19:38:52 »
I can't say much at this time. However, any mechanical keyboards that will support RGB will *not* be Cherry MX switches.

What are you guys' input on the other types of mechanical switches?
Im just a noob here, so dont put much weight on my opinion. Id say that as long as the stems are mx compatible you should be okay. Just judging from the amount these communities spend on mx keycaps, I think that no one will buy your boards if they cant replace the caps. I dont think rgb will be enough of a feature to convince people to buy your product over your competitors. doubly so if the oem keykaps on your rgb boards are like the ones on my k95...

that said, I kinda wish my k95 had rgb leds. kinda
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 19:54:06 »
Interesting that Corsair gets an exclusive deal on these even as other companies (eg. Tesoro, Luxeed) are working on their own RGB mech models. I guess those other companies must be using a different system (perhaps LETIS-style switch bypass).

If so, it'll be interesting to see what happens when the different RGB implementations compete.

Its an exciting announcement with more in place for CES so I can't say much at this time. However, any mechanical keyboards that will support RGB will *not* be Cherry MX switches.

What are you guys' input on the other types of mechanical switches?
That sounds a bit of shock to me. I thought Cherry MX RGB was to be based on Cherry MX. Though I am generally open to fancy LED backlighting on other mechanical keyboards. So long as it is still a mechanical keyboard switch with LED backlight, I am not fussy if it was Topre, Matias, etc. I have seen a video of a fancy Korean branded keyboard with LED colours that could change "on-the-fly" so to speak. One could set certain keys to be certain colours however I was told that keyboard is not a mechanical keyboard.

My personal reasons for liking a LED backlit keyboard (especially if it is only underneath the key caps to shine only on the legends and nothing else as well as having different colours) is handy for when I switch between different keyboard layouts. You have keyboards with international legends printed on key caps but to make use of them properly you needed to set your machine up to say that your keyboard is not an English keyboard but say for example a Changjie or Japanese keyboard with each keys represents certain phonetic characters. Then you have customisable firmwares such as hasu's TMK that allows one to even program a 60% board with no dedicated numpads to have numpad feature enabled on the controller level.

An instance to what I said above would be say if I were to input Japanese characters as they were legended on my HHKB, I would like to be able to not only simply switch the controller to start sending out different key codes but to also shine a different coloured LED to remind me (especially when typing in the dark without room light on) that I am using Japanese layout. Then if I were to switch to Changjie layout I press a button on the controller telling it to map another set of key codes and a different colour to again help me typing in the dark as well as reminding me that I am using a different layout. Put simply in practise, ultimately I would like for example a keyboard to shine white at night when I am inputting English, then when I switch to Japanese it will be blue, then switching to Chinese it will be yellow and maybe for numpad access I have certain keys lit up in a numpad sort of layout but in red and all the other keys remains unlit.

There are many ways in which for instance one can make good use of multiple LED coloured keyboards I am sure. Gamers and programmers for instance who make use of macro keys would probably also benefit from such an idea if they are into backlit LED keyboards in general for instance.

In some ways this would be my sort of dream LED backlit setup, the idea that Optimus Maximus keyboard has sort of featured was really lovely but at the same time extremely expensive for an average person's wallet. Then you have keyboards like those holographic (via laser), touch screen keyboard as well for instance which may allow one to have fancy colours but lacking the feeling of being able to "punch" on keys like as if one normally would with a normal keyboard. You have also the Korean branded keyboard (just now I googled up the brand name and it is Luxeed, specifically the U5/U7 keyboards) which has all these fancy baclit colours plus programmable backlighting but rumours say multi coloured LEDs on mechanical keyboard is not possible which in this case would make Luxeed a RD keyboard. A mechanical keyboard multiple LED colour features would be a cross between the feeling of typing on a "real" keyboard whilst bearing various colours to suit one's needs. Hopefully such cases may see one not having to pay through their nose for a multi coloured LED backlit mechanical keyboard.

Overall I like the idea of multiple colouring of LED backlight on keyboards but having more than 100 colours seems to be overkill for my specific requirements. Not to mention that it would most likely not be cheap if that were to ever happen anyway. The idea of strobing and/or various dim levelling capability again is sort of overkill for me but otherwise I welcome the idea in general.
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 20:11:13 »
The best thing Corsair can do... make all the modifiers the same size, and use a common size spacebar for sanity sake! Aftermarket keycaps are extremely frustrating at best to impossible. Having bottom row 1.5, 1, 1.25 keys mixed with some weird size spacebar that no one else makes is just silly and obnoxious.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 21:01:24 »
I don't think I would buy if this wasn't MX keycap compatible.
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 21:21:36 »
Interesting that Corsair gets an exclusive deal on these even as other companies (eg. Tesoro, Luxeed) are working on their own RGB mech models. I guess those other companies must be using a different system (perhaps LETIS-style switch bypass).

If so, it'll be interesting to see what happens when the different RGB implementations compete.

Its an exciting announcement with more in place for CES so I can't say much at this time. However, any mechanical keyboards that will support RGB will *not* be Cherry MX switches.

What are you guys' input on the other types of mechanical switches?
That sounds a bit of shock to me. I thought Cherry MX RGB was to be based on Cherry MX.

I do believe he meant the other boards that support RGB. These are clearly Cherry-Made Cherry MX Keyswitches with slight housing modifications (like no holes for LEDs and different switch stems)
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #71 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 21:41:02 »
Interesting that Corsair gets an exclusive deal on these even as other companies (eg. Tesoro, Luxeed) are working on their own RGB mech models. I guess those other companies must be using a different system (perhaps LETIS-style switch bypass).

If so, it'll be interesting to see what happens when the different RGB implementations compete.

Its an exciting announcement with more in place for CES so I can't say much at this time. However, any mechanical keyboards that will support RGB will *not* be Cherry MX switches.

What are you guys' input on the other types of mechanical switches?
That sounds a bit of shock to me. I thought Cherry MX RGB was to be based on Cherry MX.

I do believe he meant the other boards that support RGB. These are clearly Cherry-Made Cherry MX Keyswitches with slight housing modifications (like no holes for LEDs and different switch stems)
Ahh ok, in that case I mis-interpreted that then. I stand corrected. It also doesn't make much sense as well thinking about it now considering that there is a teaser video on it.

I am not fussy if the RGB LED does not appear on other switches (even though I personally would love to have them available on my Topre board) but at the end of the day it will simply make my justification on purchasing a Cherry MX board more tantalising. In which for that case I will hold back my purchase for Cherry MX board until the RGB LED becomes:
  • Cheaper.
  • Available on more sets of keys rather than simply W, A, S, D.
  • Programmable based on controller settings for specific layouts (however I am sure that is in theory somewhat easily implemented).
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #72 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 21:51:10 »
Interesting that Corsair gets an exclusive deal on these even as other companies (eg. Tesoro, Luxeed) are working on their own RGB mech models. I guess those other companies must be using a different system (perhaps LETIS-style switch bypass).

If so, it'll be interesting to see what happens when the different RGB implementations compete.

Its an exciting announcement with more in place for CES so I can't say much at this time. However, any mechanical keyboards that will support RGB will *not* be Cherry MX switches.

What are you guys' input on the other types of mechanical switches?
That sounds a bit of shock to me. I thought Cherry MX RGB was to be based on Cherry MX.

I do believe he meant the other boards that support RGB. These are clearly Cherry-Made Cherry MX Keyswitches with slight housing modifications (like no holes for LEDs and different switch stems)
Ahh ok, in that case I mis-interpreted that then. I stand corrected. It also doesn't make much sense as well thinking about it now considering that there is a teaser video on it.

I am not fussy if the RGB LED does not appear on other switches (even though I personally would love to have them available on my Topre board) but at the end of the day it will simply make my justification on purchasing a Cherry MX board more tantalising. In which for that case I will hold back my purchase for Cherry MX board until the RGB LED becomes:
  • Cheaper.
  • Available on more sets of keys rather than simply W, A, S, D.
  • Programmable based on controller settings for specific layouts (however I am sure that is in theory somewhat easily implemented).


I'd assume it'd be full backlight.
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #73 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 22:14:11 »
Want those switches.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #74 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 23:10:02 »
Interesting that Corsair gets an exclusive deal on these even as other companies (eg. Tesoro, Luxeed) are working on their own RGB mech models. I guess those other companies must be using a different system (perhaps LETIS-style switch bypass).

If so, it'll be interesting to see what happens when the different RGB implementations compete.

Its an exciting announcement with more in place for CES so I can't say much at this time. However, any mechanical keyboards that will support RGB will *not* be Cherry MX switches.

What are you guys' input on the other types of mechanical switches?
That sounds a bit of shock to me. I thought Cherry MX RGB was to be based on Cherry MX.

I do believe he meant the other boards that support RGB. These are clearly Cherry-Made Cherry MX Keyswitches with slight housing modifications (like no holes for LEDs and different switch stems)
Ahh ok, in that case I mis-interpreted that then. I stand corrected. It also doesn't make much sense as well thinking about it now considering that there is a teaser video on it.

I am not fussy if the RGB LED does not appear on other switches (even though I personally would love to have them available on my Topre board) but at the end of the day it will simply make my justification on purchasing a Cherry MX board more tantalising. In which for that case I will hold back my purchase for Cherry MX board until the RGB LED becomes:
  • Cheaper.
  • Available on more sets of keys rather than simply W, A, S, D.
  • Programmable based on controller settings for specific layouts (however I am sure that is in theory somewhat easily implemented).


I'd assume it'd be full backlight.
Possibly true, but only time will tell along with the price tag for instance. At this point in time one can only speculate what it maybe like. To me having 16.7 million colours via RGB SMD LED on all the keys would most likely weigh a hefty price tag.
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #75 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 23:14:58 »
I'm surprised they got it, they are not very popular boards, and I hope they don't goof the design, i'm sure we can all agree we want a standard keyboard and not another F117 looking thing like their K series

Probably because nobody else wants to pay them money for anything besides their switches.
I don't see what you have against the Corsair boards, they're great and look really nice in my opinion.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #76 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 23:27:28 »
Interesting that Corsair gets an exclusive deal on these even as other companies (eg. Tesoro, Luxeed) are working on their own RGB mech models. I guess those other companies must be using a different system (perhaps LETIS-style switch bypass).

If so, it'll be interesting to see what happens when the different RGB implementations compete.

Its an exciting announcement with more in place for CES so I can't say much at this time. However, any mechanical keyboards that will support RGB will *not* be Cherry MX switches.

What are you guys' input on the other types of mechanical switches?

There are other types of mechanical switches?? :P

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #77 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 23:54:32 »
Interesting that Corsair gets an exclusive deal on these even as other companies (eg. Tesoro, Luxeed) are working on their own RGB mech models. I guess those other companies must be using a different system (perhaps LETIS-style switch bypass).

If so, it'll be interesting to see what happens when the different RGB implementations compete.

Its an exciting announcement with more in place for CES so I can't say much at this time. However, any mechanical keyboards that will support RGB will *not* be Cherry MX switches.

What are you guys' input on the other types of mechanical switches?
That sounds a bit of shock to me. I thought Cherry MX RGB was to be based on Cherry MX.

I do believe he meant the other boards that support RGB. These are clearly Cherry-Made Cherry MX Keyswitches with slight housing modifications (like no holes for LEDs and different switch stems)

Sorry my mistake. Yes I meant any other keyboards that support RGB will not be using Cherry MX keyswitches. Only our RGB keyboards will use Cherry MX RGB.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 04 December 2013, 23:59:00 »
Interesting that Corsair gets an exclusive deal on these even as other companies (eg. Tesoro, Luxeed) are working on their own RGB mech models. I guess those other companies must be using a different system (perhaps LETIS-style switch bypass).

If so, it'll be interesting to see what happens when the different RGB implementations compete.

Its an exciting announcement with more in place for CES so I can't say much at this time. However, any mechanical keyboards that will support RGB will *not* be Cherry MX switches.

What are you guys' input on the other types of mechanical switches?
That sounds a bit of shock to me. I thought Cherry MX RGB was to be based on Cherry MX.

I do believe he meant the other boards that support RGB. These are clearly Cherry-Made Cherry MX Keyswitches with slight housing modifications (like no holes for LEDs and different switch stems)

Sorry my mistake. Yes I meant any other keyboards that support RGB will not be using Cherry MX keyswitches. Only our RGB keyboards will use Cherry MX RGB.

That makes so much more sense! Thanks for clarifying.

Interested to see what you guys come up with.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #79 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 00:09:58 »
Please corsair make your RGB keyboard in standard ANSI layout without media keys. PLEASE.

Can you explain why you don't like the media keys? I bring it up because its actually the most requested feature on the keyboard, especially volume control if nothing else. However, it's always good to get feedback from others who feel differently.

Perhaps make a more modest/normal case design (tenkeyless) with stadard ANSI layout & standard keycap sizes so people can get replacement caps.
A model that doesn't necessarily look like a in your face gaming keyboard.
That way you would have models for people that wanted a gaming style keyboard and a model for people that didn't.
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #80 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 00:25:21 »
Why would you like backlight? You can't type?

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #81 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 02:49:02 »
Wow Corsair...really? Is anyone just extrememly mad right now?
Also, how would one control the lights? Software? If you were using a PS2 adapter, this RGB stuff wouldn't work with software would it?

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 03:45:48 »
Wow Corsair...really? Is anyone just extrememly mad right now?
Also, how would one control the lights? Software? If you were using a PS2 adapter, this RGB stuff wouldn't work with software would it?
  • Most keyboards these days are USB based.
  • PS/2 might not even have enough power to a full LED backlit keyboard (according to wikipedia PS/2 is rated at 275 mA as opposed to say 0.5A to 0.9A for a general USB device).
  • If lets say the keyboard were to be programmed via PS/2 even if in theory there is enough power for the keyboard to function even with full LED backlit, there might be ways through signalling. I am unsure if it is definitely possible or not but it should be in theory. Even if so why would anyone want to program it using PS/2? wouldn't it be hell lot better to just use USB instead seeing as how they are common as hell?
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #83 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 03:49:14 »
Ducky seen this?

They could significantly reduce their keyboard range by including these and configuring the LEDs to all the different colours they make now.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #84 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 03:56:28 »
Ducky seen this?

They could significantly reduce their keyboard range by including these and configuring the LEDs to all the different colours they make now.

It looks like Corsair has exclusive use of them for a year (til 2015), which makes me sad since Corsair keyboards often have non-standard mods, are expensive for their quality, and always seem to have one glaring flaw, be it dying LEDs, not being a full mech, and so on.  Hopefully they actually churn out a good keyboard with this that isn't overpriced and isn't only a flashy gamer keyboard.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #85 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 03:57:16 »
Ducky seen this?

They could significantly reduce their keyboard range by including these and configuring the LEDs to all the different colours they make now.

It looks like Corsair has exclusive use of them for a year (til 2015), which makes me sad since Corsair keyboards often have non-standard mods, are expensive for their quality, and always seem to have one glaring flaw, be it dying LEDs, not being a full mech, and so on.  Hopefully they actually churn out a good keyboard with this that isn't overpriced and isn't only a flashy gamer keyboard.

SMD LEDs mean these cannot be salvaged from Corsair boards, right?
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #86 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 04:02:06 »
"CHERRY and CORSAIR – Partner for an exclusive joint launch of CHERRY MX RGB switches and keyboards in 2014"   <=== this i hate, GO FILCO i mean order as much as u can and produce decent quality board with backlight

If Filco wished to provide Cherry with the money to make these, then they would. Not being inclined to help, they obviously have not.
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #87 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 04:04:28 »
corsair needs to learn to use standard caps.  winkey preferably and winkeyless  alternatively.  not this 'gamerzkey' crap they and Logitech and the other gaming brands do.

they needs to also learn that tkl is a vastly superior gaming board formfactor.  the k65 is a disgrace at the moment.
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #88 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 06:50:36 »
Ducky seen this?

They could significantly reduce their keyboard range by including these and configuring the LEDs to all the different colours they make now.

It looks like Corsair has exclusive use of them for a year (til 2015), which makes me sad since Corsair keyboards often have non-standard mods, are expensive for their quality, and always seem to have one glaring flaw, be it dying LEDs, not being a full mech, and so on.  Hopefully they actually churn out a good keyboard with this that isn't overpriced and isn't only a flashy gamer keyboard.

SMD LEDs mean these cannot be salvaged from Corsair boards, right?

Well you could salvage them, just wouldn't do you much good unless you just wanted to clear housing for some other reason  :p

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #89 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 07:49:59 »
Interesting that Corsair gets an exclusive deal on these even as other companies (eg. Tesoro, Luxeed) are working on their own RGB mech models. I guess those other companies must be using a different system (perhaps LETIS-style switch bypass).

If so, it'll be interesting to see what happens when the different RGB implementations compete.
I wonder how long the exclusivity period will be.

I'd really like to see how Ducky would implement the use of MX RGB switches or what they will launch to compete against Corsair's offering.

Can confirm from legit source that Corsair have exclusivity for 1 year - so no other brands can touch them until 2015.

A year is rather short for exclusivity.  Not complaining though.  Would you know if the exclusivity period is renewable/extednable?

I wonder if Ducky will wait it out until expiry or try to come up with a competing solution.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #90 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 10:15:49 »
Interesting that Corsair gets an exclusive deal on these even as other companies (eg. Tesoro, Luxeed) are working on their own RGB mech models. I guess those other companies must be using a different system (perhaps LETIS-style switch bypass).

If so, it'll be interesting to see what happens when the different RGB implementations compete.
I wonder how long the exclusivity period will be.

I'd really like to see how Ducky would implement the use of MX RGB switches or what they will launch to compete against Corsair's offering.

Can confirm from legit source that Corsair have exclusivity for 1 year - so no other brands can touch them until 2015.

A year is rather short for exclusivity.  Not complaining though.  Would you know if the exclusivity period is renewable/extednable?

I wonder if Ducky will wait it out until expiry or try to come up with a competing solution.

If they do try and come up with an alternative, we've already seen three different possibilities:

-Use regular Cherry switches and route some of the leads around the outside of the switch, like the LETIS does for the keys on which it uses RGB LEDs:
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #91 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 11:05:52 »
Actually... 4leg RGB led can be used in current stock switch, just need to bend the leads appropriately so they feed through the led and diode holes in bottom housing. No reason it can't be done if PCB is designed for it.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #92 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 14:48:01 »
"CHERRY and CORSAIR – Partner for an exclusive joint launch of CHERRY MX RGB switches and keyboards in 2014"   <=== this i hate, GO FILCO i mean order as much as u can and produce decent quality board with backlight
Well I think it's corsair since they build boards that have exposed switches. I would really buy a corsair board then. I left corsair for Ducky. And until Ducky does this I'll be buying corsair lol. Looks really cool, I already thought of opening my board up to change some LEDs to red.…

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #93 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 19:06:24 »
Imagine a PCB mount RGB board!
[Edit]Forgot I replied here already lol.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #94 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 20:20:26 »
Wow Corsair...really? Is anyone just extrememly mad right now?
Also, how would one control the lights? Software? If you were using a PS2 adapter, this RGB stuff wouldn't work with software would it?
  • Most keyboards these days are USB based.
  • PS/2 might not even have enough power to a full LED backlit keyboard (according to wikipedia PS/2 is rated at 275 mA as opposed to say 0.5A to 0.9A for a general USB device).
  • If lets say the keyboard were to be programmed via PS/2 even if in theory there is enough power for the keyboard to function even with full LED backlit, there might be ways through signalling. I am unsure if it is definitely possible or not but it should be in theory. Even if so why would anyone want to program it using PS/2? wouldn't it be hell lot better to just use USB instead seeing as how they are common as hell?

Our current line-up of keyboards do require USB for the power. In fact, we're getting to the point where USB 2.0 (500ma) may not be enough sometimes as our LED's can actually get even brighter if you use USB 3.0 (which supplies a higher amount of power). There's an easter egg built into our keyboards to take advantage of this if one was to desire even brighter lights.

Some of the replies here do have me a little perplexed though. I believe our gaming keyboards are not the stereotypical "gamers" style boards at all. Yes it does have backlighting, and while there are those who are against it, I have grown to enjoy backlighting as an aesthetic (without it being a massive source of glare). Our keyboards also use a standard font and we purposely did a raised key design to make it easy to clean and use. Yes we do market it as a gaming keyboard but at the same time, it really isn't obnoxious.


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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #95 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 20:29:34 »
Our keyboards also use a standard font and we purposely did a raised key design to make it easy to clean and use.

People aren't talking about the font or a the exposed switches, they're talking about the size of your keycaps.  Many people like the ability to easily customize their keyboards with different key caps, especially since a majority of keyboards out there ship with such low quality keycaps.  It's not uncommon for mechanical keyboard enthusiasts to get a new keyboard and all but throw away the caps that came with the keyboard.

Corsair keyboards make this difficult to do because you do not adhere to the industry standard for key cap size.  Instead of 1.25x Ctrl, Alt, etc keys, you do 1.5x or other nonstandard sizes that make it more difficult and more expensive to put different key caps on.  It seems like a small thing, but it's a huge deal to people who want different caps.  Now I know Corsair does like to do proprietary tie ins, but key caps is not one of those places they should do something like that.

I know the other major issue I'm concerned about is your build quality and QC.  I've known and seen tons of people who had to return multiple boards to get one that didn't wobble and that laid flat on their desk or that returned several due to the dying LEDs issue that's pretty common.  If you're going to charge the prices you do, in league with names like Ducky and Filco, you need to get your QC better so that you're matching them in quality as well.  I know I'd be incredibly hesitant to buy a Corsair keyboard, even with the interesting new RGB backlighting, because of Corsair's QC history.
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #96 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 20:45:34 »
<snip>

Some of the replies here do have me a little perplexed though. I believe our gaming keyboards are not the stereotypical "gamers" style boards at all. Yes it does have backlighting, and while there are those who are against it, I have grown to enjoy backlighting as an aesthetic (without it being a massive source of glare). Our keyboards also use a standard font and we purposely did a raised key design to make it easy to clean and use. Yes we do market it as a gaming keyboard but at the same time, it really isn't obnoxious.

Hullo there, thanks for joining in! :)

My two cents on this 'gaming keyboards' issue: Our rule of thumb for recommending non-gaming style keyboards is that the user should be able to bring it into an office full of non-geeks without it being frowned upon / out of place. A keyboard doesn't have to have plastic sticking out everywhere at odd angles to fall afoul of that. I don't know what everyone else thinks, for me the K60/70/95 is borderline. We would certainly not recommend it for someone who came in looking for a keyboard for any purpose other than gaming, unless they specified that they liked the aesthetic.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #97 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 22:11:57 »
i fail to see how the corsair boards differ from dell rubberdomes aside from the fact that the topplate is metal, not plastic, and the branding.  it's a rectangle; we're not talking about something with a built-in LCD or the CM storm mech

everyone acts like the backlight can't be turned off.

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I guess the usb port + cable braiding is a dead giveaway?
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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #98 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 23:24:32 »
Our keyboards also use a standard font and we purposely did a raised key design to make it easy to clean and use.

People aren't talking about the font or a the exposed switches, they're talking about the size of your keycaps.  Many people like the ability to easily customize their keyboards with different key caps, especially since a majority of keyboards out there ship with such low quality keycaps.  It's not uncommon for mechanical keyboard enthusiasts to get a new keyboard and all but throw away the caps that came with the keyboard.

Corsair keyboards make this difficult to do because you do not adhere to the industry standard for key cap size.  Instead of 1.25x Ctrl, Alt, etc keys, you do 1.5x or other nonstandard sizes that make it more difficult and more expensive to put different key caps on.  It seems like a small thing, but it's a huge deal to people who want different caps.  Now I know Corsair does like to do proprietary tie ins, but key caps is not one of those places they should do something like that.

I know the other major issue I'm concerned about is your build quality and QC.  I've known and seen tons of people who had to return multiple boards to get one that didn't wobble and that laid flat on their desk or that returned several due to the dying LEDs issue that's pretty common.  If you're going to charge the prices you do, in league with names like Ducky and Filco, you need to get your QC better so that you're matching them in quality as well.  I know I'd be incredibly hesitant to buy a Corsair keyboard, even with the interesting new RGB backlighting, because of Corsair's QC history.

Just for my understanding, does the size of keycaps then dictate what makes it a "gaming keyboard" for you? As for industry standard, CM is the only major manufacturer (volume-wise) that does standard but I don't know if I would say its THE standard in the industry. I do agree that enthusiasts, especially in this community, would love the ability to change to customized keycaps. The problem though is always whether this feature is something a majority of users would want as costs is always the variable we try to keep low.

There are always going to be small issues now and then with our products and I wouldn't be the first to admit we're infallible. However, you have to keep in mind too that because we're a much larger manufacturer than Ducky/Filco or other enthusiast brands  that complaints are going to be much more visible. I've always even in our own forums that even if we have a  99% success rate, the 1% can mean hundreds to thousands depending on the product we're selling (for example, our hydro coolers easily sell tens of thousands a month). I won't toot our horn and say we're the cheapest, but when you do buy a Corsair product, you get someone like me to support you (straight from HQ here in California and not a third party service) and ensure that regardless of whatever problem you have, we will make it right for you anywhere in the world. That service comes in addition to the product in your hands.

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Re: CHERRY MX RGB switches
« Reply #99 on: Thu, 05 December 2013, 23:29:04 »
i fail to see how the corsair boards differ from dell rubberdomes aside from the fact that the topplate is metal, not plastic, and the branding.  it's a rectangle; we're not talking about something with a built-in LCD or the CM storm mech

everyone acts like the backlight can't be turned off.

EDIT:

I guess the usb port + cable braiding is a dead giveaway?

This is a good post because it helps me understand what people think of our products. Why do you think our boards are no different than a Dell rubberdome, and why do you think the CM Storm Mech is better?

I bring this up because we've always advertised our keyboards being unique in full n-key rollover, 100% anti-ghosting, and 1ms response time (switchable to 8ms) which are all features you can't visibly see on the keyboard. My concern has always been whether people actually understood what this all means and that only true enthusiasts like you would know the significance of those features.