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Offline Keytrun

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Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« on: Tue, 17 December 2013, 14:40:16 »
Can someone explain this to me? I tried typing on an OEM profile board the other day and it just felt wrong. Cherry is so much better. Why in the heck is everything not cherry? Why were those vortex double shot PBT caps not made in cherry?! OEM? Really?! What's wrong with the world these days!

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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 17 December 2013, 14:55:44 »
I am only speculating, but I think that the Alps switch and the Alps mount was more popular in the '80s and '90s and that the OEM profile could have originated from those Alps keyboards.
Keycap manufacturers would have made Alps caps first, and then they retooled to make them Cherry MX-compatible.
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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 17 December 2013, 14:58:31 »
Because look how expensive it is compared to a cheap ABS set.

GMK sets top $100, IMSTO is close by.

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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:00:31 »
Does GMK/Cherry own that profile shape in some form? Patent or copyright perhaps?

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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:02:08 »
Does GMK/Cherry own that profile shape in some form? Patent or copyright perhaps?

GMK owns the rights to the molds AFAIK
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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:36:51 »
There are some others that use Cherry profile as stock like Noppoo Choc, Plum and Neo (I think those are all made same OEM?). There was also some vintage stuffs that uses Cherry profile with SMK switch or even MX knock offs with Cherry doubleshot (knock offs? I can't even tell :)))
But I have no idea why it's not the standard either, it's clearly superior so all I can do is conclude everyone else is idiots.

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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 17 December 2013, 15:48:03 »
It just feels so much more natural to type on. I can't explain it, but its beautiful.

I feel like a moron because when I was first looking to replace my blackwidow ultimate 2013 (stock caps) I was looking to get a board + a set of thick PBT caps. I was upset because I wanted OEM caps and I couldn't find them in thick PBT (at least not any blanks and that vortex group buy was closed / not in stock on feng's eBay). The reason I wanted OEM is because I didn't mind it on my blackwidow and I wasn't sure if I'd like cherry; wanted to stick with what I knew.

Luckily the good people of this forum convinced me that cherry was amazing. I took the dive, got my imsto thick blue blanks and never looked back.

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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 09:28:48 »
It's main stream according to Cherry...

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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 09:35:24 »
Cherry profile or DSA?
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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 10:10:36 »
There was also some vintage stuffs that uses Cherry profile with SMK switch or even MX knock offs with Cherry doubleshot
I have a DytCom keyboard with keycaps in Cherry profile, but with more rounded edges. It has indeed real Cherry MX Black switches, not knockoffs.

Then there are Wyse keyboards with Cherry MX switches and DCS profile, which was Comptec before Signature Plastics bought their moulds. Some of these Wyse keyboards have thicker doubleshot keycaps than SP's DCS but in the same profile AFAIK.
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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 12:32:08 »
Actually what happened to those thick WYSE set moldings?

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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 14:02:21 »
I would guess they got rid of the old thick DCS molds when they made the new thin ones that have half the material cost.
I was talking about Cherry profile keycaps that were made elsewhere most likely, like those found on certain models of Laser (and a few others I assume made at same OEM) keyboards...

They are identical in shape to Cherry keys, just have a different font. So far I have seen them in black on white/beige, black on all white, blue on white/beige and purple on white/beige.

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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:32:09 »
Mainstream things are hardly ever the best.  Such as with keyboards. mainstream boards are ****ty rubber dome, mainstream mechanical keycaps are OEM profile etc.  At least thats what i find.  Especially when it comes to music. hahaha.
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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:37:26 »
China made up the oem profile I think, and they started making cheap caps with it.
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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 22:21:45 »
Cherry is not better at all, it's just different. Just like a 5' chair vs. a 3' chair, people will find their preferences. Someone not liking the feel =/= it being worse.
Also, looking at it from a marketer's perspective, something with tall, very obviously sculptured keycaps (just look at an OEM profile board from the side) is much more attractive than something that's hardly noticeable and shallow. As James of Corsair said, our market is just a tiny fraction, and even some of us (including myself) prefer OEM to Cherry). If you drop something like $150 on a keyboard, expect it to be pretty flashy. None of the $80 gaming mice look anything like old fashioned, because nobody would buy it.

I admit it myself, but for a long time now people have preferred something looking new to something old, which is why we have fashion. Someone discovers something that looks better to lots of people, and it becomes custom. That's why I personally shy away from Logitech mice, because I love the joy that comes with loving what you see on your desk. Something beautiful, aesthetically pleasing. Just like buying art, so too does the design of even functional equipment influence you. Just consider why lots of us buy CC or other colored keycaps; they might be the exact same material (or for ABS DS considered worse), but because it looks so good, people are willing to brush off the fact that it's unnecessary and not really any better.

Therefore, I will freely say that I like OEM because it looks (as well as having a great sculpture) more modern and certainly stands out more. If I had to give an example of something that I really hate for looks, it's probably SP's DSA, because I really dislike the look of bland font on normally 'sexy' spherical caps, and DCS, because it's just a crappy imitation of Cherry. In my opinion, I prefer OEM because of its sculpture, then Cherry, and then everything else.
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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 22:27:11 »
^ this.

The reasoning is right; just ignore the bad taste in keycaps profiles :p

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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 21 December 2013, 19:20:03 »
The only difference between OEM profile and Cherry profile is the height. Less height = less wobble.
The only practical difference between DCS and Cherry is that the bottom two rows is more angled.

The three profiles in the foreground here are Wyse (DCS), OEM and Cherry. The Cherry keycaps stand on a piece of plastic, and the keycaps in the background are vintage Apple keycaps (from an AEKII) on sliders from a rubber-dome keyboard from a Monterey K108 (and those sliders are all the same height, all standing on the same table as the Wyse and OEM keycaps in the front).
The OEM keycaps here have an unusual bottom row which is higher and more angled. I'm sorry I did not have any vintage Cherry Row A keycap at this moment to compare with.
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Re: Why is Cherry Profile not Mainstream?
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 22 December 2013, 19:56:38 »
Mainstream things are hardly ever the best.  Such as with keyboards. mainstream boards are ****ty rubber dome, mainstream mechanical keycaps are OEM profile etc.  At least thats what i find.  Especially when it comes to music. hahaha.

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