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Offline MrClyfar

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Is the G8-3000 similar to a Das III?
« on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 06:22:54 »
Hi there.

Can anyone tell me if a Cherry G8-3000 has a similar key action and feel to a Das III keyboard?

I'm interested in getting the Cherry as the Das III Euro layout (which I need) only comes in a blank keys option. (Why can't they make a non-blank version, it can't be hard to do can it?)

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Jas.
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Offline lam47

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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 07:02:55 »
hey. The G80 3000 is almost the same as the das. The feel will be a bit different just because of the construction of the board. (the das it not very well made though so dont think it the better of the 2)
Both use the clicky light cherry blue switches.
I say go for the cherry you will love it.

Laurie.
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Offline MrClyfar

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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 07:14:29 »
Quote from: lam47;21032
hey. The G80 3000 is almost the same as the das. The feel will be a bit different just because of the construction of the board. (the das it not very well made though so dont think it the better of the 2)
Both use the clicky light cherry blue switches.
I say go for the cherry you will love it.

Laurie.


Hi there.

Many thanks for the quick response, I'll check out the Cherry!

Cheers.
Jas.
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Offline xyzzy

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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 08:53:50 »
Make sure the second letter of the model type is an "S", e.g. G80-3000LSxxx, as that's the variant with the blue switches (clicky).
See the wiki for more details.
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Offline schmolch

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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 09:26:09 »
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(the das it not very well made though so dont think it the better of the 2)


I disagree with that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the build-quality of my DAS.
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Offline lam47

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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 09:32:48 »
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I disagree with that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the build-quality of my DAS.


Ok firstly there were 3 switches that needed to be replaced.
Then there is the rollover issue.
Then the fact that Wellingtons came with a big hole in it.
Then there is that you cannot open it easily due to the plastic snap together design.
Also the soldering is poor and a few of my traces had been repaired.
And the case does not fit together well as seen in this picture.
Its made from easy to scratch plastic and overall the build quality is very poor.

I guess you have been lucky with yours.

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Offline ozar

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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 12:25:27 »
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And the case does not fit together well as seen in this picture.

Interesting... I had not noticed that on my own Das KB until I saw it in your photo, and upon checking mine, it looks the same.

Regarding the glossy finish, it looks great at first, but I found it very easy to scratch on the first day of ownership.  Otherwise, I've been pretty happy with it.
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Offline lam47

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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 12:28:46 »
The lower half of the case is also made of a pretty cheap plastic.
If you did open it you would probably find a few of the pcb supports have broken off.
The are not loose in the case but held on by the skin of the plastic.
I had to glue a few down on mine.
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Offline CX23882

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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 13:07:35 »
I bought my G80-3000LSCGB-2 from http://www.cherrykeyboardsrus.co.uk.  It's a very fine keyboard.  Build quality is not as good as the best keyboards I've used, but it's not bad.  I think it's biggest issue is that it's so large, there is more ability for it to flex, compared to say a craptastic Dell rubber dome.

Looking at photographs, the Das II was very similar to the G80-3000.  It uses the same case and same keys (albeit blank).  Not sure whether the controller is any different.  The Das III has a more stylised case and definitely uses a different controller.
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Offline lam47

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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 13:43:46 »
the controller on the das3 has something wrong with it as every one of them has an issue when typing 2 characters very close together. You will not always get the one you pressed first.

The Das 2 was the same as the cherry in every way but the logo and the blank keys.
Although cherry USA did make an order for a batch of blank black 80-3000s. There is a blank white version as well but it has not been seen outside Japan.
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Offline MrClyfar

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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 18:14:10 »
Hi there.

Again, many thanks for the replies to this question of mine.

It feels good to join in with this forum since, I must admit, I'm a bit of a keyboard collector (or a keyboard alcoholic??). I've got a nice collection brewing, my recent purchase being a Logitech illuminated keyboard http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/4740&cl=US,EN which is proving very popular with the lads at work (I'm a programmer).

The developer sitting next to me in the office is using an old IBM Model M from 1989 - I like the sound on that, even if other people in the room might be going mental with the "clickety-click" noise, but I love it! :)

I'm going to give the Cherry G80-3000 a go - I'll purchase it from here http://www.cherrykeyboardsrus.co.uk/G803000+Series-Details.htm as it looks to be the model with the blue Cherry switches.

I've still got a Cherry G83-6105 which I bought in 1997. Though it's looking a bit dirty, it still works fine, with a firm rubebr feel to it. Must admit that I'm a bit of a clicky fan though.

Take care.
Jas.
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Offline MrClyfar

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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 18:16:15 »
Oh before I forget, does anyone have an MP3 file of the Cherry G80-3000 in action, just so that I can get a taste of what it's like?

Cheers.
Jas.
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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 07 February 2009, 18:17:11 »
Correct, the LSCGB would be a UK-layout board with blues.

I don't know if anyone has such an audio file, but here's a thread with audio files of the Scorpius M10 and the Das III, both of which have Cherry blue switches: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=1216
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Offline MellonCollie

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« Reply #13 on: Sun, 08 February 2009, 14:59:56 »
Quote from: MrClyfar;21115
Oh before I forget, does anyone have an MP3 file of the Cherry G80-3000 in action, just so that I can get a taste of what it's like?





3x without bottoming out
3x all the way down
3x spacebar without bottoming out
3x spacebar all the way down

Then 10 seconds of my drive-fingers-through-the-keyboard freestyle pecking technique.


Edit: How do you get that little flash audio player to show? :confused:
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Offline MrClyfar

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« Reply #14 on: Sun, 08 February 2009, 17:53:04 »
Hiya.

Just had a listen of that MP3, sounding very cool indeed. I ordered the keyboard earlier today, hope to get it on Tuesday. Looking forward to it now having just heard the audio.

Great stuff.

Jas.
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Offline Smolk

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« Reply #15 on: Sun, 08 February 2009, 22:39:31 »
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I think it's biggest issue is that it's so large


Interesting thread this is.

I'm looking for a new keyboard (again), after it turns out that my clicky SMK-88 creates a problem in combo with my Fujitsu ScanSnap. I have been informed that this is probably related to "USB bus stall". Upon changing back to the Apple white transparent-casing keyboard, the improvement was indeed noticeable.

But my keyboard tray is small, and I rarely use the numerical keypad, so I want one without. Alas, there are not too many options (for the Mac). I used a Cherry keybaord, I believe the G84-4100, but it wasn't working well with the Mac because the control-option-command keys were dissimilar (I could change the caps lock to control, and told myself it was OK, but really it wasn't). Otherwise, I loved this keyboard, much more than the SMK (let alone Apple). It isn't overly high (like the SMK or that old Apple one) and clicks nicely. Alas, http://www.cherry.de only seem to make the INITIAL for MAC - which is an extended keyboard that leaves me no space for my mouse.

So I need a clicky, Mac-compatible keyboard - and preferably one not drawing too much power from the USB-bus. Any ideas anyone?
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Offline MellonCollie

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 04 March 2009, 11:36:59 »
Quote from: MrClyfar;21169
Hiya.

Just had a listen of that MP3, sounding very cool indeed. I ordered the keyboard earlier today, hope to get it on Tuesday. Looking forward to it now having just heard the audio.

Great stuff.

Jas.



So, what do you think of it?
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Offline Eclairz

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 04 March 2009, 11:58:43 »
Quote from: Smolk;21173
Interesting thread this is.

I'm looking for a new keyboard (again), after it turns out that my clicky SMK-88 creates a problem in combo with my Fujitsu ScanSnap. I have been informed that this is probably related to "USB bus stall". Upon changing back to the Apple white transparent-casing keyboard, the improvement was indeed noticeable.

But my keyboard tray is small, and I rarely use the numerical keypad, so I want one without. Alas, there are not too many options (for the Mac). I used a Cherry keybaord, I believe the G84-4100, but it wasn't working well with the Mac because the control-option-command keys were dissimilar (I could change the caps lock to control, and told myself it was OK, but really it wasn't). Otherwise, I loved this keyboard, much more than the SMK (let alone Apple). It isn't overly high (like the SMK or that old Apple one) and clicks nicely. Alas, http://www.cherry.de only seem to make the INITIAL for MAC - which is an extended keyboard that leaves me no space for my mouse.

So I need a clicky, Mac-compatible keyboard - and preferably one not drawing too much power from the USB-bus. Any ideas anyone?


You can get the G84-4100 with a windows key, those ones are newer. Alternatively you can try the G80-1800 series which is similar in size to the Macally MK96 which is a shortened G80-3000 you could say. Or maybe DSI Modular Keyboard similar in size to the SMK-88, but i fear it has a high power load with its usb ports. Cherry just brought out some new ML switch type keyboards G84-5200 i think, which is similar to the G84-4100 but includes a numpad.
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Offline MrClyfar

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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 20 March 2009, 15:08:01 »
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So, what do you think of it?


Hi there.

The keyboard is really great - the keys have a nice weight to them, with a cool clicky noise :) I'm really chuffed with it.

Cheers.
Jas.
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