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Update: RL has finally quieted down enough that I can spend some time on this.

I'm going to start the following today and tomorrow (20140326 to short list the manufacturers and as answers to the questions above become available I will share them with the manufacturer):
1. Identify a list of possible manufacturers (to be short listed-later on).
2. Figure out how to write a specification for a spring.



Information that would greatly help this effort:


OutstandingQuestions:

CONCERNING THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SPRING:
When I measure the dimensions of a stock cherry clear spring I get the following dimensions:
a. ID = 4.5mm (same for red and black.. the only other stock springs I have on hand)
b. Gauge = .25mm (same for red and black)
c. Uncompressed Length = 13mm.
These measurements were all eyeballed. Anybody have the means to take more accurate measures and confirm/update these results?

CONCERNING THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SWITCH:
I am very curious to know what are the dimensions of the cavity, inside the switch, where the spring sits when the switch top and bottom are assembled. I figure it has to be, at most, just shy of 13mm because the stock clears (the shortest, uncompressed of the bunch that I have: reds, blacks, clears) are somewhat compressed when the switch top and bottom are assembled.


Answered Questions:
  - [Solved by mkawa]: I want to nail down an important part of the definition. When we say 62g are we saying 62g to 2mm (activation) or 62g to bottom?
    62g refers to the "spring rate." In this case it'd be 62g/mm


Also,
I finally received a set of 62g springs. I had been using 67g in my clears. Wow! What a difference that 5g makes. 67g area practically unusable (IMHO) compared to the 62gs. That said, I'm still pressing forward with this. mkawa has whetted my appetite for exotic materials and I am going to see if I can't find someone who will make these (high tolerance on ID) out of medical grade spring steel (high tolerances on gauge of the wire, custom alloy). Seriously though: mkawa, your feedback is basically my "shopping list."


All,

I haven't been wowed by any of the off-market springs that I've found. They are not terrible, not great. Kind of MEH, I think.

This would be my very first group buy. I've bought and traded with a number of you guys and check my heatware: I'm not a prolific GHer but that's only because I've got a lot of RL to deal with.

That said... this is a group buy for MX 62g springs only (definitely a popular spring).
And here's what I have in mind:

1. I want really good springs. Tight tolerances on the OD and ID, number of turns, etc.
2. I read up a bit on how the various components of a spring (OD, ID, # active turns, wire diameter etc) determine it's force curve, etc. BUT I would need a guru to get in on this. Please help me recruit one.
3. I want a great quality wire. I don't know which kind of wire (the number of choices are baffling) is "best" in this regard, but I'm hoping that a spring guru can help out here.
4. I want to sell kits of 150 springs (= two 75% kbds or 1 full kbd + plenty of spares).
5. I'm not trying to make any kind of profit of this. I just want the d**n springs made and made well. No cost cutting BS to try and keep margins up.
6. Don't get me wrong here: I have lots of love and tons of admiration for Korean and Japanese products and yet I would like to put the US somewhere on the map here. AND I want them to be exceptional. I mean no joke exceptional: I believe there's plenty of talent everywhere: I just think the US is obviously under-represented here and I would like to remedy this.


The good part: these are springs. I'm pretty sure that 150 of the best springs that we could get can be had a very reasonable price.

You in?

And I'm very motivated w.r.t. the MOQ on wherever these are sourced from and will very aggressively pursue the contract and the GB. If we get close enough I will totally float the rest.

Also... I've never run a GB before so if someone would volunteer, via PM a phone number so that we can talk and hash out the finer points of a GB that would be great.

One thing I'm going to have to insist upon because I want this done and done as quickly as the quality will allow. You don't pay until you're invoiced. You don't want them, don't pay the invoice.
I hate to sound so grouchy about this, but I'm not trying to be: I just seriously, and as humbly as I can say it, don't have the time to provide this GB with this amount of stewardship.



Thoughts, comments, observations?

Anyone know a spring steel/metallurgy guru?


Cheers,

K
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 27 January 2014, 23:48:36 »
I'm curious--what's the variance in the traditional Korean springs?  Either way, I'd be in, at least to satisfy my curiosity.
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 27 January 2014, 23:49:39 »
I have no advice to offer, but I'd definitely be in regardless of price just for the concept of it I think.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 27 January 2014, 23:51:18 »
Set of 150 would suck. Do it in sets of 50, 75, 110, and 150.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 00:01:01 »
Pacifist's terse wisdom just helped me understand why I was thinking about 150. It's all about packaging. Cause you know what really sucks? Having to count out X springs * however many people are in the group buy: that sucks. And the suckage -> infinity as X -> 0. MOQ may be determined by what packaging options the manufacturer can provide.

That said, MOQ, price, etc. are all huge unknowns at this point. If I say I'm going to give people X springs I want them to actually get X springs.

In any event, this is all a moot point if we can't find any talent with spring steel.

Cheers,

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 00:03:28 »
Pacifist's terse wisdom just helped me understand why I was thinking about 150. It's all about packaging. Cause you know what really sucks? Having to count out X springs * however many people are in the group buy: that sucks. And the suckage -> infinity as X -> 0. MOQ may be determined by what packaging options the manufacturer can provide.

That said, MOQ, price, etc. are all huge unknowns at this point. If I say I'm going to give people X springs I want them to actually get X springs.

In any event, this is all a moot point if we can't find any talent with spring steel.

Cheers,

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Oh yea that would suck. But if you can get them packaged in 50 and 25 packs, you just give them out in that number. Packaging shouldn't be that much of a cost.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 00:14:43 »
You know what, good point. There's no point assuming anything right now. I will totally ask these questions if we get to that point.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 00:31:40 »
Set of 150 would suck. Do it in sets of 50, 75, 110, and 150.

How do sets of 50 help anyone? Not even enough to cover a 60% board.

At any rate I'm in, tried the standard and limited 62g already so I'd love to try some others.
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 00:38:40 »
So... my boards are all full size: I have never bothered to get interested in the number of keys on a 60%, 75%, whatever-other size board is out there. I'm amenable to all ideas at this point though: so just for the sake of it: how many keys does it take to populate a 60% board. 75%, etc?

Update: jesus I just realized that this should be .60X where X = the number of keys on a full size board. If I'm wrong about this please correct me.
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 00:52:21 »
the average 60% keyboard has 61 keys (poker); sets of 63 would be perfect

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 00:54:33 »
the average 60% keyboard has 61 keys (poker); sets of 63 would be perfect

I'd say 65 is a good number for 60% boards, that will cover ISO and Pure layouts as well.
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 00:58:03 »
pretty sure the minila is standard + 6 extra keys (67 if poker is 61).

[however many in a 40% board]
61 - poker
67 - minila
84 - 75%
87 - TKL
96 - TK (plum 96 and maybe the quickfire TK)
104 - full-size
108 - shine series

75 + 100 + 125 only seems logical (everyone gets some spares for other projects/etc + increments of 25)

is each spring going to be expensive?
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 00:59:37 »
the average 60% keyboard has 61 keys (poker); sets of 63 would be perfect

I'd say 65 is a good number for 60% boards, that will cover ISO and Pure layouts as well.

of course, ISO!

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 01:04:20 »
Thoughts on gold plated springs?

Placebo or no? Cause it would affect the pricing/MOQ

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 01:05:03 »
So... my boards are all full size: I have never bothered to get interested in the number of keys on a 60%, 75%, whatever-other size board is out there. I'm amenable to all ideas at this point though: so just for the sake of it: how many keys does it take to populate a 60% board. 75%, etc?

Update: jesus I just realized that this should be .60X where X = the number of keys on a full size board. If I'm wrong about this please correct me.

IMO, the number of springs cannot be precise 100% when you count.
So, don't bother too much into the detail of how many packages that you are going to offer.
I think you may only need to focus on one type: 150 springs / sachet.
150-sachet will cover the 60, 75, 87, 104, 108, etc.
Or maybe we can come back to discuss about the packaging later after the IC or a poll of interests.

The main point here is to focus on the quality of the spring that you are going to offer.
How it is better and less variant than the others that we are using.
Last but not least, the price.
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 01:07:23 »
No point in gold for this.  It would only increase the price.  If you want something slightly tougher, as seems to have been the claimed appeal of coated springs, may as well just manufacture 63.5g springs--if that's what the gold springs really measure at. 
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 01:49:57 »
Yeah I think offering one large pack of 150 is probably better, when you consider shipping costs it doesn't make sense to buy such small quantities. Especially when you consider the cost per spring.
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 02:06:58 »
The only reason that this deserves any attention is if it's cheaper than Korean springs. It seems dubious that you could possibly have a problem with a spring; what in hell is a 'meh' spring? It's 62g, if you don't like it, it's not because it's not from the US of 'Murica, but because you don't like 62g.
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 02:46:15 »
^

i'm under the impression that he's referring to tolerances allowed, 62g +- 1.5g might not be tight enough for some peoples tastes.
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 03:25:22 »
I'll buy em. I need a spring collection.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 04:56:17 »
I'd be in on this. I'd buy a pack of 150 or whatever option was available.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 08:32:13 »
I would definitely be down for a set of 62g springs. I would be fine with 100 or 150 packs, don't really care so long as I have enough for a TKL board.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 08:37:16 »
Yeh sounds good. Hope you find a way of getting them produced...can't help with any of that.

I think packs of 150 sound good.

No point in having pack sizes less than 60% boards. The more options you have for pack size ...then more work counting them out. That's A LOT of hassle.

I see the point made earlier about doing 63.something g springs rather than 62g coated springs. I'd love to have gold coated springs. Purely placebo though I suppose. 

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 08:44:06 »
if we can't find any talent with spring steel.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 11:57:44 »
Interested. 

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 12:13:51 »
Why not do something a bit different? I would love a spring that has a force curve like clear, but oh I don't know like 15cN lighter. If going to the trouble to have something made, might as well do something that isn't available anywhere.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 12:15:00 »
Why not do something a bit different? I would love a spring that has a force curve like clear, but oh I don't know like 15cN lighter. If going to the trouble to have something made, might as well do something that isn't available anywhere.

Good idea!  :thumb:  I love stock Clear springs.
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 12:16:32 »
I hope spring really custom feel up/to bottoming different
interest like this :)
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 15:21:54 »
Why not do something a bit different? I would love a spring that has a force curve like clear, but oh I don't know like 15cN lighter. If going to the trouble to have something made, might as well do something that isn't available anywhere.
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 15:28:32 »
Higher ramp up springs would be amazing.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 16:02:24 »
Why not do something a bit different? I would love a spring that has a force curve like clear, but oh I don't know like 15cN lighter. If going to the trouble to have something made, might as well do something that isn't available anywhere.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 16:43:02 »
You mean 15 heavier right? Can't stand all these light keys.

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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 16:43:40 »
You mean 15 heavier right? Can't stand all these light keys.

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Your sig says you want 62g springs though?

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« Reply #34 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 23:36:45 »
You mean 15 heavier right? Can't stand all these light keys.

@.@

Your sig says you want 62g springs though?

Yeah I want some 62/63.5s. 47 seems like it would pretty much feel like red/browns.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 05:14:55 »
Why not do something a bit different? I would love a spring that has a force curve like clear, but oh I don't know like 15cN lighter. If going to the trouble to have something made, might as well do something that isn't available anywhere.

So the curve of a clear spring but it would be in the strength region of red/brown springs? Can you actually feel the "curve of a spring" when they are that weak?

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 09:21:40 »
You mean 15 heavier right? Can't stand all these light keys.

@.@

Your sig says you want 62g springs though?

Yeah I want some 62/63.5s. 47 seems like it would pretty much feel like red/browns.

Where are you getting 47 from? I'm completely lost...

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 09:24:34 »
You mean 15 heavier right? Can't stand all these light keys.

@.@

Your sig says you want 62g springs though?

Yeah I want some 62/63.5s. 47 seems like it would pretty much feel like red/browns.

Where are you getting 47 from? I'm completely lost...

62 - 15 = 47 :/       Someone further up mentioned trying to make a spring with the curve of a clear but 15g lighter.  (g or Cn ....i'm ignoring the force measurement issue here..blh blah blah :D )

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 09:30:41 »
I don't think 62cN-15cN = 47cN applied here.  ;D

Why not do something a bit different? I would love a spring that has a force curve like clear, but oh I don't know like 15cN lighter. If going to the trouble to have something made, might as well do something that isn't available anywhere.
From Ivan stand point, I do believe what he really means is :
Spring force from stock clear - 15cN
100cN-15cN = 85cN


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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 09:33:25 »
Phoenix nailed it. People are interchangeably talking about the two common ways to rate springs: fully depressed and at the actuation point.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 09:41:22 »
Exactly. In fact a 62g spring would be pretty similar to a red/brown spring because the force is measured differently. 47g would be really light.
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 09:43:00 »
You mean 15 heavier right? Can't stand all these light keys.

15cN lighter than a clear would still be significantly heavier than a red/brown/blue. 15cN heavier would be close to or heavier than a green.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 09:52:50 »
It would be fairly light up to the actuation point.  Altogether as a switch, MX Green is tougher than Clear up to actuation.  So a spring with the same force profile as a Clear, normalized 15cN lower at bottoming out, would be interesting.  We'd need some more accurate independent measurements of the Clear spring force profile.  Here's one set so far:

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« Reply #43 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 11:27:45 »
OK now that I understand correctly, yes that sounds like a great spring! Would 100% buy 15cn lighter clears

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 11:44:35 »
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 16:28:36 »
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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 16:29:33 »
Gold with the -15cn thing

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 16:51:26 »
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edit: my bad on the force measurement, I knew there were two forces, got confused which we were talking abuot.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 16:54:17 »
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LOL

I guess somebody wants gold.

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Re: IC: Top Shelf, Made in the USA, Custom MX 62g Springs (High Spec)
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 17:00:18 »
The only reason that this deserves any attention is if it's cheaper than Korean springs. It seems dubious that you could possibly have a problem with a spring; what in hell is a 'meh' spring? It's 62g, if you don't like it, it's not because it's not from the US of 'Murica, but because you don't like 62g.

The ID of the various springs that I've bought as replacements seem to be all over the place. Some sit apart from the stem tube, some are seated on the stem tube so tightly that they have to be pulled off gently so that I don't stretch them too far when removing. Of course this is less of an issue after lubing.

And I'm pretty sure that this is translating into a "scratchier" feeling spring.

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