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Offline Sagii

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #200 on: Sun, 11 May 2014, 05:40:05 »
I've kinda decided to go with the race 2 now :) the big question now is wether I should go with black or white keycaps.. if I ever want to change the alphas later I should prolly go with the black one, cause black mods with something else alphas look good, amd at the same time, the LEDs are white with the black one, which means I can use LED covers.. the white one looks cooler outta the box though :/ the white keycaps and green light look awesome

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #201 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 03:07:40 »
isn't race 2 pcb-mounted and abs caps..?
horrific! ;p

i want a thick pbt non-backlit plate-mounted race 2 with topre switches.. hello!

ontopic: i agree the white caps with green light look cool. i do think the right side of the race 2 looks a bit silly, but that's no biggy ;p definitely one of the coolest boards out there.

edit: browns..? horrific!! :D
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #202 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 03:29:44 »
isn't race 2 pcb-mounted and abs caps..?
horrific! ;p

i want a thick pbt non-backlit plate-mounted race 2 with topre switches.. hello!

ontopic: i agree the white caps with green light look cool. i do think the right side of the race 2 looks a bit silly, but that's no biggy ;p definitely one of the coolest boards out there.

edit: browns..? horrific!! :D

Haha, you've got a point with the PCB mounted ABS.. that's why I'm NOT one hundred percent sure anymore :)) I'm now considering the Poker 2 actually.. It just sesems like that one is more versatile

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #203 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 03:31:39 »
isn't race 2 pcb-mounted and abs caps..?
horrific! ;p

i want a thick pbt non-backlit plate-mounted race 2 with topre switches.. hello!

ontopic: i agree the white caps with green light look cool. i do think the right side of the race 2 looks a bit silly, but that's no biggy ;p definitely one of the coolest boards out there.

edit: browns..? horrific!! :D

Nothing wrong with PCB mount nor ABS keycaps.
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #204 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 03:36:53 »
isn't race 2 pcb-mounted and abs caps..?
horrific! ;p

i want a thick pbt non-backlit plate-mounted race 2 with topre switches.. hello!

ontopic: i agree the white caps with green light look cool. i do think the right side of the race 2 looks a bit silly, but that's no biggy ;p definitely one of the coolest boards out there.

edit: browns..? horrific!! :D

Nothing wrong with PCB mount nor ABS keycaps.

Nah, it ain't, but I heard that PCB mounted switches might make it wobbly? And the ABS, I dunno.. I just like the look of the PBT ten times better, even though I've never tried it :))


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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #205 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 04:03:46 »
On gaming forums, I noticed that the Corsair keyboards are the most often recommended, which is kind of puzzling.

It is not that they are a terrible product, but they are one of the few keyboards brands that have had fairly serious problems and critique on every iteration of their product. The first generation of Corsair keyboards had some hardware and software issues (LEDs dying were a problem, bricking keyboards when upgrading firmware, repeated key problem, generally terrible drivers, not to mention they were not fully mechanical). The second generation of Corsair keyboards are a lot better, but some problems remain. Complaints about LEDs dying are still very common.

If you compare that to some other brands that have been making quality peripherals for years without any serious design issues or specific recurring malfunction, I find it hard to recommend Corsair keyboards over some of the other brands that are available. Their popularity is probably due to their looks, good marketing, and the good name of the Corsair brand.

Another thing to point out, that "gaming keyboards" are really just keyboards. Some of them have specific features that you might want, like macro keys. But most of the features associated with gaming keyboards, like n-key rollover, or media keys, can be found in many decent keyboards. The only real difference is how they look aesthetically, as many people seem to like the bright lights and shiny plastic approach that you usually get with things that are gaming branded.
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #206 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 04:11:22 »
On gaming forums, I noticed that the Corsair keyboards are the most often recommended, which is kind of puzzling.

It is not that they are a terrible product, but they are one of the few keyboards brands that have had fairly serious problems and critique on every iteration of their product. The first generation of Corsair keyboards had some hardware and software issues (LEDs dying were a problem, bricking keyboards when upgrading firmware, repeated key problem, generally terrible drivers, not to mention they were not fully mechanical). The second generation of Corsair keyboards are a lot better, but some problems remain. Complaints about LEDs dying are still very common.

If you compare that to some other brands that have been making quality peripherals for years without any serious design issues or specific recurring malfunction, I find it hard to recommend Corsair keyboards over some of the other brands that are available. Their popularity is probably due to their looks, good marketing, and the good name of the Corsair brand.

Another thing to point out, that "gaming keyboards" are really just keyboards. Some of them have specific features that you might want, like macro keys. But most of the features associated with gaming keyboards, like n-key rollover, or media keys, can be found in many decent keyboards. The only real difference is how they look aesthetically, as many people seem to like the bright lights and shiny plastic approach that you usually get with things that are gaming branded.

Well, most of this has already been mentioned :) But you're absolutely right, and that's why I'm so damn happy I stumbled accross GH in my search for a board, or else I'd still be the "Can't buy that keyboard, it's not a gaming keyboard" guy :)) This community has opened my eyes.. I've been enlightened!

Only problem is that I can't decide which board to get :c I've kinda settled on one board several times now, only to realise or discover something new and having to go back to the drawing board!

EDIT: Well, talking about the Corsair boards.. I've honestly heard nothing but good things about their quality. But that might just be me looking in the wrong places.
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #207 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 04:43:10 »
I just noticed the top row with the big Esc and Del keys.... You will not be able to find an aftermarket set of keycaps to fit that board if you don't like the stock keycaps. That is a VERY big risk, IMO. I don't know of any row 4 keys like that available ANYWHERE....

For that reason alone I would recommend to rather get a Keycool 84. The only "weird" key is the 1.75x right shift and many sets have an option for that key (usually including in a Tsangan kit).

PCB mount is fine, it just feels a little different from plate mount. I am actually using a PCB mounted board with ABS caps (KBT Pure with Browns, Cherry Legends keycaps set) to type this and it feels awesome to me  :)

Generally speaking, I do prefer plate mount and thick, heavy caps, though. And I really didn't like the stock keycaps that came with the board.
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #208 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 05:28:17 »
I just noticed the top row with the big Esc and Del keys.... You will not be able to find an aftermarket set of keycaps to fit that board if you don't like the stock keycaps. That is a VERY big risk, IMO. I don't know of any row 4 keys like that available ANYWHERE....

For that reason alone I would recommend to rather get a Keycool 84. The only "weird" key is the 1.75x right shift and many sets have an option for that key (usually including in a Tsangan kit).

PCB mount is fine, it just feels a little different from plate mount. I am actually using a PCB mounted board with ABS caps (KBT Pure with Browns, Cherry Legends keycaps set) to type this and it feels awesome to me  :)

Generally speaking, I do prefer plate mount and thick, heavy caps, though. And I really didn't like the stock keycaps that came with the board.

Yeah.. I know, and it's definitely a good point. The arrow keys are 1.5 as well, so they wouldn't be easily replaceable either. The keycool 84, however, is almost impossible to find >_> The Poker 2 and Race 2 are not. One problem is that it's really hard to know wether or not you actually NEED the arrowkeys, and F row.

Poker 2 pros: PBT, stiffer/sturdier, slightly smaller, easily replacable caps
Race 2 pros: Has both arrowkeys and the F-row, plus Home and End (I use those quite a bit, but the way the Fn layer is on the Poker 2 it wouldn't be a problem anyways)

So really, it's a matter of what I need/don't need, and that's really hard to actually know :))

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #209 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 07:26:13 »
I just noticed the top row with the big Esc and Del keys.... You will not be able to find an aftermarket set of keycaps to fit that board if you don't like the stock keycaps. That is a VERY big risk, IMO. I don't know of any row 4 keys like that available ANYWHERE....

For that reason alone I would recommend to rather get a Keycool 84. The only "weird" key is the 1.75x right shift and many sets have an option for that key (usually including in a Tsangan kit).

PCB mount is fine, it just feels a little different from plate mount. I am actually using a PCB mounted board with ABS caps (KBT Pure with Browns, Cherry Legends keycaps set) to type this and it feels awesome to me  :)

Generally speaking, I do prefer plate mount and thick, heavy caps, though. And I really didn't like the stock keycaps that came with the board.

Yeah.. I know, and it's definitely a good point. The arrow keys are 1.5 as well, so they wouldn't be easily replaceable either. The keycool 84, however, is almost impossible to find >_> The Poker 2 and Race 2 are not. One problem is that it's really hard to know wether or not you actually NEED the arrowkeys, and F row.

Poker 2 pros: PBT, stiffer/sturdier, slightly smaller, easily replacable caps
Race 2 pros: Has both arrowkeys and the F-row, plus Home and End (I use those quite a bit, but the way the Fn layer is on the Poker 2 it wouldn't be a problem anyways)

So really, it's a matter of what I need/don't need, and that's really hard to actually know :))

Dear friend,

You are missing something very important on the Poker 2 : it has reprogrammable functions (PN) with inboard memory. You can program macros on your board. If you really like mechs, the Poker 2 is really capable of showing interesting features for an enthousiast like you seem to be.

Plus Arrow Keys and F-Row are all binded to FN function keys (Programmable (PN) and Functions (FN) are two separate things on the Poker II). I work with Arrow keys all the time in terminals and with the Poker II FN key it's fairly easy to navigate with arrow keys, you press FN then arrow keys are binded to WASD means anyone with a gaming experience might aswell appreciate the Poker II FN functions even more than standard physical arrow keys.

In my very personnal opinion which you do not have to take my words for undeniable truth and wisdom, if you have to choose between a Poker II and a Race II, take the Poker II. Imo, the Race II is flawed in many ways; what it has physically over the Poker II, the Poker II has it in FN functions built-in, and it has too many out-of-standard features (1.5 escape, 1.5 arrow, a complete F row (which is on the Poker II FN function, how many times a day do you use the F1-F12?)).

You can still go with the Race II if you really want lol there's no wrong choices after all, it all depends on you.
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #210 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 07:30:59 »
I just noticed the top row with the big Esc and Del keys.... You will not be able to find an aftermarket set of keycaps to fit that board if you don't like the stock keycaps. That is a VERY big risk, IMO. I don't know of any row 4 keys like that available ANYWHERE....

For that reason alone I would recommend to rather get a Keycool 84. The only "weird" key is the 1.75x right shift and many sets have an option for that key (usually including in a Tsangan kit).

PCB mount is fine, it just feels a little different from plate mount. I am actually using a PCB mounted board with ABS caps (KBT Pure with Browns, Cherry Legends keycaps set) to type this and it feels awesome to me  :)

Generally speaking, I do prefer plate mount and thick, heavy caps, though. And I really didn't like the stock keycaps that came with the board.

Yeah.. I know, and it's definitely a good point. The arrow keys are 1.5 as well, so they wouldn't be easily replaceable either. The keycool 84, however, is almost impossible to find >_> The Poker 2 and Race 2 are not. One problem is that it's really hard to know wether or not you actually NEED the arrowkeys, and F row.

Poker 2 pros: PBT, stiffer/sturdier, slightly smaller, easily replacable caps
Race 2 pros: Has both arrowkeys and the F-row, plus Home and End (I use those quite a bit, but the way the Fn layer is on the Poker 2 it wouldn't be a problem anyways)

So really, it's a matter of what I need/don't need, and that's really hard to actually know :))

Dear friend,

You are missing something very important on the Poker 2 : it has reprogrammable functions (PN) with inboard memory. You can program macros on your board. If you really like mechs, the Poker 2 is really capable of showing interesting features for an enthousiast like you seem to be.

Plus Arrow Keys and F-Row are all binded to FN function keys (Programmable (PN) and Functions (FN) are two separate things on the Poker II). I work with Arrow keys all the time in terminals and with the Poker II FN key it's fairly easy to navigate with arrow keys, you press FN then arrow keys are binded to WASD means anyone with a gaming experience might aswell appreciate the Poker II FN functions even more than standard physical arrow keys.

In my very personnal opinion which you do not have to take my words for undeniable truth and wisdom, if you have to choose between a Poker II and a Race II, take the Poker II. Imo, the Race II is flawed in many ways; what it has physically over the Poker II, the Poker II has it in FN functions built-in, and it has too many out-of-standard features (1.5 escape, 1.5 arrow, a complete F row (which is on the Poker II FN function, how many times a day do you use the F1-F12?)).

You can still go with the Race II if you really want lol there's no wrong choices after all, it all depends on you.

Yeah, I know about the Fn and Pn layers, but what I'm afraid of is that'll be a hassle to press Fn all the time to access the F row and arrow keys.. However, that's a layout that I've never tried, so I wouldn't know. And everyone I've talked to says that it really isn't a problem, and that you quickly get used to it, which is the reason I'm leaning towards the Poker 2 atm! :)

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #211 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 07:52:19 »
I just noticed the top row with the big Esc and Del keys.... You will not be able to find an aftermarket set of keycaps to fit that board if you don't like the stock keycaps. That is a VERY big risk, IMO. I don't know of any row 4 keys like that available ANYWHERE....

For that reason alone I would recommend to rather get a Keycool 84. The only "weird" key is the 1.75x right shift and many sets have an option for that key (usually including in a Tsangan kit).

PCB mount is fine, it just feels a little different from plate mount. I am actually using a PCB mounted board with ABS caps (KBT Pure with Browns, Cherry Legends keycaps set) to type this and it feels awesome to me  :)

Generally speaking, I do prefer plate mount and thick, heavy caps, though. And I really didn't like the stock keycaps that came with the board.

Yeah.. I know, and it's definitely a good point. The arrow keys are 1.5 as well, so they wouldn't be easily replaceable either. The keycool 84, however, is almost impossible to find >_> The Poker 2 and Race 2 are not. One problem is that it's really hard to know wether or not you actually NEED the arrowkeys, and F row.

Poker 2 pros: PBT, stiffer/sturdier, slightly smaller, easily replacable caps
Race 2 pros: Has both arrowkeys and the F-row, plus Home and End (I use those quite a bit, but the way the Fn layer is on the Poker 2 it wouldn't be a problem anyways)

So really, it's a matter of what I need/don't need, and that's really hard to actually know :))

Dear friend,

You are missing something very important on the Poker 2 : it has reprogrammable functions (PN) with inboard memory. You can program macros on your board. If you really like mechs, the Poker 2 is really capable of showing interesting features for an enthousiast like you seem to be.

Plus Arrow Keys and F-Row are all binded to FN function keys (Programmable (PN) and Functions (FN) are two separate things on the Poker II). I work with Arrow keys all the time in terminals and with the Poker II FN key it's fairly easy to navigate with arrow keys, you press FN then arrow keys are binded to WASD means anyone with a gaming experience might aswell appreciate the Poker II FN functions even more than standard physical arrow keys.

In my very personnal opinion which you do not have to take my words for undeniable truth and wisdom, if you have to choose between a Poker II and a Race II, take the Poker II. Imo, the Race II is flawed in many ways; what it has physically over the Poker II, the Poker II has it in FN functions built-in, and it has too many out-of-standard features (1.5 escape, 1.5 arrow, a complete F row (which is on the Poker II FN function, how many times a day do you use the F1-F12?)).

You can still go with the Race II if you really want lol there's no wrong choices after all, it all depends on you.

Yeah, I know about the Fn and Pn layers, but what I'm afraid of is that'll be a hassle to press Fn all the time to access the F row and arrow keys.. However, that's a layout that I've never tried, so I wouldn't know. And everyone I've talked to says that it really isn't a problem, and that you quickly get used to it, which is the reason I'm leaning towards the Poker 2 atm! :)


You won't regret. Just take your time and experiment with program the layers.

I find it easier to hold caplock(which I switched to FN using the dip) and pressing 1,2,3,4 etc than reaching for the F keys on a full size or tkl layout.
Hold caplock + wasd for arrows. I even programmed a numpad into one of the layers.

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #212 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 09:27:18 »
I just noticed the top row with the big Esc and Del keys.... You will not be able to find an aftermarket set of keycaps to fit that board if you don't like the stock keycaps. That is a VERY big risk, IMO. I don't know of any row 4 keys like that available ANYWHERE....

For that reason alone I would recommend to rather get a Keycool 84. The only "weird" key is the 1.75x right shift and many sets have an option for that key (usually including in a Tsangan kit).

PCB mount is fine, it just feels a little different from plate mount. I am actually using a PCB mounted board with ABS caps (KBT Pure with Browns, Cherry Legends keycaps set) to type this and it feels awesome to me  :)

Generally speaking, I do prefer plate mount and thick, heavy caps, though. And I really didn't like the stock keycaps that came with the board.

Yeah.. I know, and it's definitely a good point. The arrow keys are 1.5 as well, so they wouldn't be easily replaceable either. The keycool 84, however, is almost impossible to find >_> The Poker 2 and Race 2 are not. One problem is that it's really hard to know wether or not you actually NEED the arrowkeys, and F row.

Poker 2 pros: PBT, stiffer/sturdier, slightly smaller, easily replacable caps
Race 2 pros: Has both arrowkeys and the F-row, plus Home and End (I use those quite a bit, but the way the Fn layer is on the Poker 2 it wouldn't be a problem anyways)

So really, it's a matter of what I need/don't need, and that's really hard to actually know :))

Dear friend,

You are missing something very important on the Poker 2 : it has reprogrammable functions (PN) with inboard memory. You can program macros on your board. If you really like mechs, the Poker 2 is really capable of showing interesting features for an enthousiast like you seem to be.

Plus Arrow Keys and F-Row are all binded to FN function keys (Programmable (PN) and Functions (FN) are two separate things on the Poker II). I work with Arrow keys all the time in terminals and with the Poker II FN key it's fairly easy to navigate with arrow keys, you press FN then arrow keys are binded to WASD means anyone with a gaming experience might aswell appreciate the Poker II FN functions even more than standard physical arrow keys.

In my very personnal opinion which you do not have to take my words for undeniable truth and wisdom, if you have to choose between a Poker II and a Race II, take the Poker II. Imo, the Race II is flawed in many ways; what it has physically over the Poker II, the Poker II has it in FN functions built-in, and it has too many out-of-standard features (1.5 escape, 1.5 arrow, a complete F row (which is on the Poker II FN function, how many times a day do you use the F1-F12?)).

You can still go with the Race II if you really want lol there's no wrong choices after all, it all depends on you.

Yeah, I know about the Fn and Pn layers, but what I'm afraid of is that'll be a hassle to press Fn all the time to access the F row and arrow keys.. However, that's a layout that I've never tried, so I wouldn't know. And everyone I've talked to says that it really isn't a problem, and that you quickly get used to it, which is the reason I'm leaning towards the Poker 2 atm! :)


You won't regret. Just take your time and experiment with program the layers.

I find it easier to hold caplock(which I switched to FN using the dip) and pressing 1,2,3,4 etc than reaching for the F keys on a full size or tkl layout.
Hold caplock + wasd for arrows. I even programmed a numpad into one of the layers.

Very interresting! I have not tought of that.

What i personnaly did was to change the Cherry MX under PN and FN for a Cherry MX Lock that would hold "Modes". While the FN or PN key is pressed and stay press, i can freely type on the board without holding it, therefor you could consider it's kindoff a mode switching, which the PN one is fully programmable, therefore i could bind some game functions onto PN and totally play on PN all the time (aka if i ever become a Korean-Level StarCraft II Player)

I really think the Programmable functions on the Poker II gives it a decent advantage in compact keyboards, i have not seen any with the same programmable function available on all keys (aka if you know any others i want to know aswell please enlighten me :) )
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #213 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 14:48:35 »
Okey, I just want to make sure: the KBC poker 2 has ONLY standard keycap sizes, right? So there would be no hassle getting keycaps for it?

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #214 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 15:00:38 »
Okey, I just want to make sure: the KBC poker 2 has ONLY standard keycap sizes, right? So there would be no hassle getting keycaps for it?

Correct.
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #215 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 15:14:29 »
Okey, I just want to make sure: the KBC poker 2 has ONLY standard keycap sizes, right? So there would be no hassle getting keycaps for it?

Correct.

Okey, thanks.. Does anyone have experience with the acrylic cases from qtan? They look sweet, but I don't wanna buy something that's not worth it ^^' The MOST tempting thing is to buy an aluminum case, but I'm not gonna do that just yet :)) I haven't even bought a single KB yet!

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #216 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 15:16:42 »
Okey, I just want to make sure: the KBC poker 2 has ONLY standard keycap sizes, right? So there would be no hassle getting keycaps for it?

Correct.

Okey, thanks.. Does anyone have experience with the acrylic cases from qtan? They look sweet, but I don't wanna buy something that's not worth it ^^' The MOST tempting thing is to buy an aluminum case, but I'm not gonna do that just yet :)) I haven't even bought a single KB yet!

Low quality, I've had two - but they do change the feel and sound so they are definitely better than the stock Poker 2 case, IMO.
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #217 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 15:17:44 »
Okey, I just want to make sure: the KBC poker 2 has ONLY standard keycap sizes, right? So there would be no hassle getting keycaps for it?

Correct.

Okey, thanks.. Does anyone have experience with the acrylic cases from qtan? They look sweet, but I don't wanna buy something that's not worth it ^^' The MOST tempting thing is to buy an aluminum case, but I'm not gonna do that just yet :)) I haven't even bought a single KB yet!

Low quality, I've had two - but they do change the feel and sound so they are definitely better than the stock Poker 2 case, IMO.

Better as in worth spending 30 bucks on it? I know that's probably personal opinion as everything, but what do YOU think ?

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #218 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 15:22:48 »
It was worth it for me, and I don't regret the purchase. I sold them later for the same I paid when I figured I wanted to move on to metal.
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #219 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 15:23:14 »
Okey, I just want to make sure: the KBC poker 2 has ONLY standard keycap sizes, right? So there would be no hassle getting keycaps for it?

Correct.

Okey, thanks.. Does anyone have experience with the acrylic cases from qtan? They look sweet, but I don't wanna buy something that's not worth it ^^' The MOST tempting thing is to buy an aluminum case, but I'm not gonna do that just yet :)) I haven't even bought a single KB yet!

Low quality, I've had two - but they do change the feel and sound so they are definitely better than the stock Poker 2 case, IMO.

Better as in worth spending 30 bucks on it? I know that's probably personal opinion as everything, but what do YOU think ?

Probably.

Custom cases make all boards miles better.
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #220 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 15:28:50 »
It was worth it for me, and I don't regret the purchase. I sold them later for the same I paid when I figured I wanted to move on to metal.

Hmm, okey.. I might order a case at the same time as I order a Poker 2 then, 'cause they look pretty sweet. What exactly does a custom case change when it comes to the feel of the board?

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #221 on: Tue, 13 May 2014, 15:34:22 »
It was worth it for me, and I don't regret the purchase. I sold them later for the same I paid when I figured I wanted to move on to metal.

Hmm, okey.. I might order a case at the same time as I order a Poker 2 then, 'cause they look pretty sweet. What exactly does a custom case change when it comes to the feel of the board?

Custom cases can make the overall typing experience feel more solid. The biggest thing for me with those acrylic cases was the change in sound.
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #222 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 05:18:33 »
Okey, epzy, thanks :) I believe I might just wait a bit before I buy an acrylic case though ^^'

Anyways... It's now between the Poker 2 and Race 2.. Would everyone here advise me to get the Poker 2 (it seems like it)? If not, let me know now!

All in fair waaaarn? SOLD!!, to the teenager with a very undecisive mind!

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #223 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 07:07:13 »
I say go straight to a metal case :) The extra weight and "solidity" really brings a "premium", high quality feeling to a board.

There is this one from Pexon in the Group Buys: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47776.0

CNC'd aluminum, anodised black, $60 + $16 shipping. It'll fit a Poker 2 nicely. But not a Race 2. Race 2 is a LOT harder to find custom cases for.

Between the Poker 2 and Race 2, it all depends on how often you use the arrows and F keys and how bothered you are by having to use a Fn key to get to them (and of course the keycap availability). I found the F keys really easy to get used to on my Pure 60%, but the arrows takes a bit more practice, since I have to hold shift while using them to select text and then use home, end, del, backspace, ctrl-c, ctrl-v, etc. Also, adding / and * for comments in different places, have to release the Fn key for certain functions. Getting pretty good with it after a couple weeks. Maybe be as fast as on a TKL or board with dedicated arrows in a couple more weeks. Possibly even faster after that due to not having to move my hands so much.

Race 2 will be quicker to get used to. Poker is smaller and easier to get cases and keycaps for.

I'd still rather recommend you get a Keycool 84 than a Race 2, though, if you choose the bigger board. Here is one with Clears. They ship to Norway. No idea how much tax and customs duty you'll have to pay, though: http://www.banggood.com/Keycool-84-White-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Cherry-MX-Clear-Switch-p-89114.html
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #224 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 07:18:08 »
I say go straight to a metal case :) The extra weight and "solidity" really brings a "premium", high quality feeling to a board.

There is this one from Pexon in the Group Buys: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47776.0

CNC'd aluminum, anodised black, $60 + $16 shipping. It'll fit a Poker 2 nicely. But not a Race 2. Race 2 is a LOT harder to find custom cases for.

Between the Poker 2 and Race 2, it all depends on how often you use the arrows and F keys and how bothered you are by having to use a Fn key to get to them (and of course the keycap availability). I found the F keys really easy to get used to on my Pure 60%, but the arrows takes a bit more practice, since I have to hold shift while using them to select text and then use home, end, del, backspace, ctrl-c, ctrl-v, etc. Also, adding / and * for comments in different places, have to release the Fn key for certain functions. Getting pretty good with it after a couple weeks. Maybe be as fast as on a TKL or board with dedicated arrows in a couple more weeks. Possibly even faster after that due to not having to move my hands so much.

Race 2 will be quicker to get used to. Poker is smaller and easier to get cases and keycaps for.

I'd still rather recommend you get a Keycool 84 than a Race 2, though, if you choose the bigger board. Here is one with Clears. They ship to Norway. No idea how much tax and customs duty you'll have to pay, though: http://www.banggood.com/Keycool-84-White-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Cherry-MX-Clear-Switch-p-89114.html

Hmm.. yeah.. well, I kinda don't want to spend too much on a keyboard as of right now.. I'm honestly trying to not use more than 170$ on a board + accessories atm.

And I really don't want to buy let's say a Poker 2, then find out later that it doesn't fit my needs, while having bought a metal case as well. When I find the board that suit my needs perfectly I'll definitely go all out, but 'till then I want to keep the costs low ^^' I do ofc understand that such a philosophy will result in not nearly as good results, but I'm a poor student!
« Last Edit: Wed, 14 May 2014, 07:20:52 by Sagii »

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #225 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 15:40:23 »
I think I made a thread about the "gaming" marketing. Or was that someone else?
Anyway, usually they will make it seem like all other keyboards are terrible for gaming. Like Razer.... They claim a 0.2mm difference makes a difference between winning and losing.

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #226 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 15:43:24 »

I think I made a thread about the "gaming" marketing. Or was that someone else?
Anyway, usually they will make it seem like all other keyboards are terrible for gaming. Like Razer.... They claim a 0.2mm difference makes a difference between winning and losing.
It's exaggeration, don't think 'g4mers' buy the ever-loving **** out of razer gear for the sole purpose of winning games lol
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #227 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 15:54:54 »
they prob buy cause all their friends have razer products and they're like "ooh what's that..noise. I want one too"
well that's how I started getting into mech keyboards :\ - not necessarily for the purpose of winning games lol

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #228 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 15:59:14 »
When did we start talking about Razer all of a sudden? O.o

Anyways, is this something worth noting?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/noppoo-choc-wireless?mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Massdrop%20-%20Master&utm_campaign=Product%20Announcement%202014-05-14&utm_content=Final

Noppoo Choc Mini wireless (can connect via USB) with backlighting.
It has laseretched POM keycaps. I've never seen this board before.
« Last Edit: Wed, 14 May 2014, 16:02:03 by Sagii »

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #229 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 16:09:28 »
When did we start talking about Razer all of a sudden? O.o

Anyways, is this something worth noting?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/noppoo-choc-wireless?mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Massdrop%20-%20Master&utm_campaign=Product%20Announcement%202014-05-14&utm_content=Final

Noppoo Choc Mini wireless (can connect via USB) with backlighting.
It has laseretched POM keycaps. I've never seen this board before.

That's quite nice, actually. Backlit POM caps! :) Still has that 5.5x space bar, though.
Buying more keycaps,
it really hacks my wallet,
but I must have them.

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #230 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 16:11:38 »
When did we start talking about Razer all of a sudden? O.o

Anyways, is this something worth noting?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/noppoo-choc-wireless?mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Massdrop%20-%20Master&utm_campaign=Product%20Announcement%202014-05-14&utm_content=Final

Noppoo Choc Mini wireless (can connect via USB) with backlighting.
It has laseretched POM keycaps. I've never seen this board before.

That's quite nice, actually. Backlit POM caps! :) Still has that 5.5x space bar, though.

****ING 5.5x

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #231 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 16:18:40 »
Can confirm, did not buy a board to get any better, just because they are a luxury item, and feel so nice.

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #232 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 16:19:16 »
When did we start talking about Razer all of a sudden? O.o

Anyways, is this something worth noting?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/noppoo-choc-wireless?mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Massdrop%20-%20Master&utm_campaign=Product%20Announcement%202014-05-14&utm_content=Final

Noppoo Choc Mini wireless (can connect via USB) with backlighting.
It has laseretched POM keycaps. I've never seen this board before.

That's quite nice, actually. Backlit POM caps! :) Still has that 5.5x space bar, though.

Meh, I could live with not having a replacement spacebar... I think I could at least. Heck, I've said so many things that I've had to take back during this thread! "I WANT BACKLIT", "I don't care about the keycaps material", "I don't want a 75%/60%", "Don't care  if the keycaps ain't standard sizes", and more!

EDIT: The "main" info is quite misleading though.. it's only got red switches, and for backlit you need to pay an extra 30 bucks. The red switches is a dealbreaker for me though :/ So I guess it's still between the old Choc mini, Race 2, and the Poker 2. And maybe a TKL.
« Last Edit: Wed, 14 May 2014, 16:23:10 by Sagii »

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #233 on: Wed, 14 May 2014, 18:33:28 »
When did we start talking about Razer all of a sudden? O.o

Anyways, is this something worth noting?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/noppoo-choc-wireless?mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Massdrop%20-%20Master&utm_campaign=Product%20Announcement%202014-05-14&utm_content=Final

Noppoo Choc Mini wireless (can connect via USB) with backlighting.
It has laseretched POM keycaps. I've never seen this board before.

That's quite nice, actually. Backlit POM caps! :) Still has that 5.5x space bar, though.

Meh, I could live with not having a replacement spacebar... I think I could at least. Heck, I've said so many things that I've had to take back during this thread! "I WANT BACKLIT", "I don't care about the keycaps material", "I don't want a 75%/60%", "Don't care  if the keycaps ain't standard sizes", and more!

EDIT: The "main" info is quite misleading though.. it's only got red switches, and for backlit you need to pay an extra 30 bucks. The red switches is a dealbreaker for me though :/ So I guess it's still between the old Choc mini, Race 2, and the Poker 2. And maybe a TKL.

Spacebars are one of the first to shine, because its hit the most and your thumb rests on it most of the time. Also, as the biggest key, having that one part not able to change around will screw up any replacement set

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #234 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 04:03:33 »
Something worth noting about the Race 2... It has a programmable function layer like the Poker 2. Not that there's much need for it, IMHO, but there you are.

While considering this whole situation it occured to me that it may not be a bad idea to take epzy up on his offer of his G2Pro TKL with Clears for a few reasons:

1. It's a board you should easily be able to sell on to another GH'er if you want to replace it. Most likely for a similar price you bought it for.
2. It should be relatively affordable.
3. You get to try Clear switches.
4. As a TKL you won't miss out on any keys you may discover you need if you get a 60%. You can set up a second layer on the TKL with AutoHotkey or similar application (binding say left WinKey + others as a function layer) and test how a Poker would feel by just using the 60% area of the board, so you can figure out if you can live with a 60% or not.
5. It's still smaller than a full size board.
6. It's a good quality mechanical board that's compatible with any ISO keycap set or TKL case.
7. You're getting it from a trusted GH'er in the same country, so no issues with taxes, customs, etc...

Then, once you know if you need a 60% or 75% board, you can sell the G2Pro and buy your ultimate endgame board. Or keep the TKL if you discover it's the form factor for you. Most people progress from one mechanical to another that they discover along the way is better suited to them. It's almost impossible to jusmp straight to the ideal board for you unless you really KNOW what it'll be like to use that particular board. The G2Pro is a good place to start.
Buying more keycaps,
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #235 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 04:19:27 »
Something worth noting about the Race 2... It has a programmable function layer like the Poker 2. Not that there's much need for it, IMHO, but there you are.

While considering this whole situation it occured to me that it may not be a bad idea to take epzy up on his offer of his G2Pro TKL with Clears for a few reasons:

1. It's a board you should easily be able to sell on to another GH'er if you want to replace it. Most likely for a similar price you bought it for.
2. It should be relatively affordable.
3. You get to try Clear switches.
4. As a TKL you won't miss out on any keys you may discover you need if you get a 60%. You can set up a second layer on the TKL with AutoHotkey or similar application (binding say left WinKey + others as a function layer) and test how a Poker would feel by just using the 60% area of the board, so you can figure out if you can live with a 60% or not.
5. It's still smaller than a full size board.
6. It's a good quality mechanical board that's compatible with any ISO keycap set or TKL case.
7. You're getting it from a trusted GH'er in the same country, so no issues with taxes, customs, etc...

Then, once you know if you need a 60% or 75% board, you can sell the G2Pro and buy your ultimate endgame board. Or keep the TKL if you discover it's the form factor for you. Most people progress from one mechanical to another that they discover along the way is better suited to them. It's almost impossible to jusmp straight to the ideal board for you unless you really KNOW what it'll be like to use that particular board. The G2Pro is a good place to start.

You've definetely got a very good point here, I have to admit. Honestly, I know this might sound very silly, but the major thing holding me back is that are "no" legends (as in they're black), and the board does not have backlighting (only WASD, as you probably know).. I'm scared that might annoy me way too much.. obviously, that is something I would not know unless i ACTUALLY try it.. second: I think clears might be too heavy, but once again.. that is something I have to try >_<
third: The thought of having a small board where my mouse is a lot closer to my alphas is something i really want. With my fullsize as of now I'm extremely annoyed by the TK on the right hand side. I'm sceptical wether or not a TKL would be "sufficient" in reducing that annoyance, but ONCE AGAIN, I guess I have to try it >_> :))

EDIT: Oh, and btw.. I've actually programmed my gaming KB with AHK so that it resembles a Poker 2. But I've got an exam coming up tomorrow and on monday, so I haven't really got any time to try it out!

EDIT2: I don't know wether he's got it available anymore though.. I told him to take the offer if someone else wanted to buy it, 'cause I knew it'd take me a long time to decide :))
« Last Edit: Thu, 15 May 2014, 04:57:50 by Sagii »

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« Reply #236 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 06:00:31 »
lol, well okay, seems you have things covered.

Take your time, try out the "layered" version of your keyboard and figure out if a 60% will suit you. Remember you can reprogram the Poker 2 with ANY layout and you can switch the Pn with the Fn functionality, so it uses your programmed layout when you use any of the Fn keys. Also, you have quite a few options of keys to use as Fn keys using the DIP switches. I like the idea of using Caps Lock or left Win key, but it's personal. It's remarkably flexible, really.

An idea I had and posted in another thread is to put the F keys on the Fn layer around the left hand home row so you can get them really quickly when gaming, especially if you use CapsLock as a Fn key (QWER as F1 to F4, ASDF as F5 to F8, etc.).

I have to say that the more I use my Pure, the more I love it. The layout has been surprisingly easy to get used to, but I don't use the F keys when gaming.
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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #237 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 06:09:49 »
lol, well okay, seems you have things covered.

Take your time, try out the "layered" version of your keyboard and figure out if a 60% will suit you. Remember you can reprogram the Poker 2 with ANY layout and you can switch the Pn with the Fn functionality, so it uses your programmed layout when you use any of the Fn keys. Also, you have quite a few options of keys to use as Fn keys using the DIP switches. I like the idea of using Caps Lock or left Win key, but it's personal. It's remarkably flexible, really.

An idea I had and posted in another thread is to put the F keys on the Fn layer around the left hand home row so you can get them really quickly when gaming, especially if you use CapsLock as a Fn key (QWER as F1 to F4, ASDF as F5 to F8, etc.).

I have to say that the more I use my Pure, the more I love it. The layout has been surprisingly easy to get used to, but I don't use the F keys when gaming.

Yeah, if I get a poker 2 I'm planning on using Caps as my Fn, or change my arrow keys to the left hand side so that I can use them with only one hand :) That's something I'll have to experiment with. I'm still considering the G2 Pro though.. because I know I loved the feeling of blues (I tried the greens (Razer!) on the BW TE. Closest I could get), so I'm thinking clears might be closer to my preferences (especially if I change the springs). However, I'm very intruiged by the small formfactor of 75% and 60%s, so I'm thinking TKL might be too big! Also, there's the backlit and all that shizzles..
GOD, I wish someone could just say BUY THAT ONE, but I know it's way too much subjective opinion involved in this. >_>

EDIT: I don't use the F keys either when I'm gaming.. At least not in any of the games I've played so far. And if I ever DO need them, I believe the F keys on a poker 2 would be way easier to reach than the F keys on a TKL (Caps plus 1-9 is easier than reaching all the way up to F1-12 on a TKL ^^)

EDIT2: So, if I buy a Poker 2, would that be easy to sell later, if I find out the formfactor ain't suited for me? :)

EDIT number 18573: An option is also the Leopold FC660M, though it lacks the cool onboard programming you can do with both the race and poker 2. And also, it's possible to install LEDs on a poker 2, which I really want to do :D (I love the glowing effect), which isn't possible on the leopold.
« Last Edit: Thu, 15 May 2014, 07:00:06 by Sagii »

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #238 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 08:08:08 »
lol, well okay, seems you have things covered.

Take your time, try out the "layered" version of your keyboard and figure out if a 60% will suit you. Remember you can reprogram the Poker 2 with ANY layout and you can switch the Pn with the Fn functionality, so it uses your programmed layout when you use any of the Fn keys. Also, you have quite a few options of keys to use as Fn keys using the DIP switches. I like the idea of using Caps Lock or left Win key, but it's personal. It's remarkably flexible, really.

An idea I had and posted in another thread is to put the F keys on the Fn layer around the left hand home row so you can get them really quickly when gaming, especially if you use CapsLock as a Fn key (QWER as F1 to F4, ASDF as F5 to F8, etc.).

I have to say that the more I use my Pure, the more I love it. The layout has been surprisingly easy to get used to, but I don't use the F keys when gaming.

Yeah, if I get a poker 2 I'm planning on using Caps as my Fn, or change my arrow keys to the left hand side so that I can use them with only one hand :) That's something I'll have to experiment with. I'm still considering the G2 Pro though.. because I know I loved the feeling of blues (I tried the greens (Razer!) on the BW TE. Closest I could get), so I'm thinking clears might be closer to my preferences (especially if I change the springs). However, I'm very intruiged by the small formfactor of 75% and 60%s, so I'm thinking TKL might be too big! Also, there's the backlit and all that shizzles..
GOD, I wish someone could just say BUY THAT ONE, but I know it's way too much subjective opinion involved in this. >_>

EDIT: I don't use the F keys either when I'm gaming.. At least not in any of the games I've played so far. And if I ever DO need them, I believe the F keys on a poker 2 would be way easier to reach than the F keys on a TKL (Caps plus 1-9 is easier than reaching all the way up to F1-12 on a TKL ^^)

EDIT2: So, if I buy a Poker 2, would that be easy to sell later, if I find out the formfactor ain't suited for me? :)

EDIT number 18573: An option is also the Leopold FC660M, though it lacks the cool onboard programming you can do with both the race and poker 2. And also, it's possible to install LEDs on a poker 2, which I really want to do :D (I love the glowing effect), which isn't possible on the leopold.

Arrow keys on the Poker II are bound to FN + WASD, so if you change your FN to be on CAPS then you'll be able to use it left-hand only out-of-the-box.

Also consider MX Locks if you plan on using the arrowkeys a lot (requires little mod)

Also it's available in Black Blue Brown Red, and nothing will stop you changing them to clears.

From my personnal experience, i bought my Poker II to try the 60%, it's a never lookback. Only thing i might consider is the same layout with a numpad like on the QuickFire TKL.

Poker II can be resold as used very easily, you'll most probably find a local buyer. Just make sure to keep it clean. The board is really well developped with it's FN layer and additionnal PN layer, therefore i hardly think the layout won't fit you.

Also Poker II can be bought with LEDs nowaday, no need to add them manually.

Last thing, maybe you should check about the Race 2, i believe you're statement saying it's programmable is wrong, but that's as far as i know, maybe i'm wrong. I believe KBC only have the Poker II programmable.
See my blog here : https://delitech.live

Poker II - Brown MX

Ducky One II TKL - Silver MX

TEX Shinobi - Clear MX

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #239 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 08:15:54 »
lol, well okay, seems you have things covered.

Take your time, try out the "layered" version of your keyboard and figure out if a 60% will suit you. Remember you can reprogram the Poker 2 with ANY layout and you can switch the Pn with the Fn functionality, so it uses your programmed layout when you use any of the Fn keys. Also, you have quite a few options of keys to use as Fn keys using the DIP switches. I like the idea of using Caps Lock or left Win key, but it's personal. It's remarkably flexible, really.

An idea I had and posted in another thread is to put the F keys on the Fn layer around the left hand home row so you can get them really quickly when gaming, especially if you use CapsLock as a Fn key (QWER as F1 to F4, ASDF as F5 to F8, etc.).

I have to say that the more I use my Pure, the more I love it. The layout has been surprisingly easy to get used to, but I don't use the F keys when gaming.

Yeah, if I get a poker 2 I'm planning on using Caps as my Fn, or change my arrow keys to the left hand side so that I can use them with only one hand :) That's something I'll have to experiment with. I'm still considering the G2 Pro though.. because I know I loved the feeling of blues (I tried the greens (Razer!) on the BW TE. Closest I could get), so I'm thinking clears might be closer to my preferences (especially if I change the springs). However, I'm very intruiged by the small formfactor of 75% and 60%s, so I'm thinking TKL might be too big! Also, there's the backlit and all that shizzles..
GOD, I wish someone could just say BUY THAT ONE, but I know it's way too much subjective opinion involved in this. >_>

EDIT: I don't use the F keys either when I'm gaming.. At least not in any of the games I've played so far. And if I ever DO need them, I believe the F keys on a poker 2 would be way easier to reach than the F keys on a TKL (Caps plus 1-9 is easier than reaching all the way up to F1-12 on a TKL ^^)

EDIT2: So, if I buy a Poker 2, would that be easy to sell later, if I find out the formfactor ain't suited for me? :)

EDIT number 18573: An option is also the Leopold FC660M, though it lacks the cool onboard programming you can do with both the race and poker 2. And also, it's possible to install LEDs on a poker 2, which I really want to do :D (I love the glowing effect), which isn't possible on the leopold.

Arrow keys on the Poker II are bound to FN + WASD, so if you change your FN to be on CAPS then you'll be able to use it left-hand only out-of-the-box.

Also consider MX Locks if you plan on using the arrowkeys a lot (requires little mod)

Also it's available in Black Blue Brown Red, and nothing will stop you changing them to clears.

From my personnal experience, i bought my Poker II to try the 60%, it's a never lookback. Only thing i might consider is the same layout with a numpad like on the QuickFire TKL.

Poker II can be resold as used very easily, you'll most probably find a local buyer. Just make sure to keep it clean. The board is really well developped with it's FN layer and additionnal PN layer, therefore i hardly think the layout won't fit you.

Also Poker II can be bought with LEDs nowaday, no need to add them manually.

Last thing, maybe you should check about the Race 2, i believe you're statement saying it's programmable is wrong, but that's as far as i know, maybe i'm wrong. I believe KBC only have the Poker II programmable.

1. I know the poker 2 has a backlit version, but I want the PBT caps..
2. Yes, the Race 2 is programmable, I'm one hundred percent positive
3. Sorry, I meant "able to use the arrowkeys with only the right hand", I mixed up left and right :))
4. I've never heard about the MX locks, so I'll check that out, thanks!
5. What's stopping me from modding it with clears is the cost. The switches itself will cost just as much as the whole board if I ever want to buy clears separately.

EDIT: Okey, I checked out the MX Locks. But the poker 2 has the possibility of "permanently" activating the Pn layer, so that would work just like an MX lock. Correct me if I'm wrong.
« Last Edit: Thu, 15 May 2014, 08:18:01 by Sagii »

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #240 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 08:27:42 »
lol, well okay, seems you have things covered.

Take your time, try out the "layered" version of your keyboard and figure out if a 60% will suit you. Remember you can reprogram the Poker 2 with ANY layout and you can switch the Pn with the Fn functionality, so it uses your programmed layout when you use any of the Fn keys. Also, you have quite a few options of keys to use as Fn keys using the DIP switches. I like the idea of using Caps Lock or left Win key, but it's personal. It's remarkably flexible, really.

An idea I had and posted in another thread is to put the F keys on the Fn layer around the left hand home row so you can get them really quickly when gaming, especially if you use CapsLock as a Fn key (QWER as F1 to F4, ASDF as F5 to F8, etc.).

I have to say that the more I use my Pure, the more I love it. The layout has been surprisingly easy to get used to, but I don't use the F keys when gaming.

Yeah, if I get a poker 2 I'm planning on using Caps as my Fn, or change my arrow keys to the left hand side so that I can use them with only one hand :) That's something I'll have to experiment with. I'm still considering the G2 Pro though.. because I know I loved the feeling of blues (I tried the greens (Razer!) on the BW TE. Closest I could get), so I'm thinking clears might be closer to my preferences (especially if I change the springs). However, I'm very intruiged by the small formfactor of 75% and 60%s, so I'm thinking TKL might be too big! Also, there's the backlit and all that shizzles..
GOD, I wish someone could just say BUY THAT ONE, but I know it's way too much subjective opinion involved in this. >_>

EDIT: I don't use the F keys either when I'm gaming.. At least not in any of the games I've played so far. And if I ever DO need them, I believe the F keys on a poker 2 would be way easier to reach than the F keys on a TKL (Caps plus 1-9 is easier than reaching all the way up to F1-12 on a TKL ^^)

EDIT2: So, if I buy a Poker 2, would that be easy to sell later, if I find out the formfactor ain't suited for me? :)

EDIT number 18573: An option is also the Leopold FC660M, though it lacks the cool onboard programming you can do with both the race and poker 2. And also, it's possible to install LEDs on a poker 2, which I really want to do :D (I love the glowing effect), which isn't possible on the leopold.

Arrow keys on the Poker II are bound to FN + WASD, so if you change your FN to be on CAPS then you'll be able to use it left-hand only out-of-the-box.

Also consider MX Locks if you plan on using the arrowkeys a lot (requires little mod)

Also it's available in Black Blue Brown Red, and nothing will stop you changing them to clears.

From my personnal experience, i bought my Poker II to try the 60%, it's a never lookback. Only thing i might consider is the same layout with a numpad like on the QuickFire TKL.

Poker II can be resold as used very easily, you'll most probably find a local buyer. Just make sure to keep it clean. The board is really well developped with it's FN layer and additionnal PN layer, therefore i hardly think the layout won't fit you.

Also Poker II can be bought with LEDs nowaday, no need to add them manually.

Last thing, maybe you should check about the Race 2, i believe you're statement saying it's programmable is wrong, but that's as far as i know, maybe i'm wrong. I believe KBC only have the Poker II programmable.

1. I know the poker 2 has a backlit version, but I want the PBT caps..
2. Yes, the Race 2 is programmable, I'm one hundred percent positive
3. Sorry, I meant "able to use the arrowkeys with only the right hand", I mixed up left and right :))
4. I've never heard about the MX locks, so I'll check that out, thanks!
5. What's stopping me from modding it with clears is the cost. The switches itself will cost just as much as the whole board if I ever want to buy clears separately.

EDIT: Okey, I checked out the MX Locks. But the poker 2 has the possibility of "permanently" activating the Pn layer, so that would work just like an MX lock. Correct me if I'm wrong.

1. Totally forgot about the caps, you are right on going with PBT, LED backlite will be cooler with opaque keys. But i wish you good luck on finding those, i can't find them anymore myself online :/
2. Just learned something thanks
3. lol
4. I think the PN can stay on after a while but i'm pretty sure the FN doesn't. I've had this bug there FN would stay on only for the arrow keys on WASD so i couldn't type anymore using my WASD. It was a pain in the ass lol but anyway i believe for the FN layer you're best bet is an MX lock. Maybe you could ask a more advanced Poker II user (Because i totally ain't with my single year of use)

5. http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=search_list&s[search]=&s[title]=Y&s[short_desc]=Y&s[full_desc]=Y&s[sku]=Y&s[match]=all&s[cid]=43 OR maybe you can directly contact cherry to get them straight out of them

Hope that helped you. Gotta get back to work before the boss comes in and cuts my Mechanical Keyboards funds.
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Poker II - Brown MX

Ducky One II TKL - Silver MX

TEX Shinobi - Clear MX

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #241 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 09:10:01 »
lol, well okay, seems you have things covered.

Take your time, try out the "layered" version of your keyboard and figure out if a 60% will suit you. Remember you can reprogram the Poker 2 with ANY layout and you can switch the Pn with the Fn functionality, so it uses your programmed layout when you use any of the Fn keys. Also, you have quite a few options of keys to use as Fn keys using the DIP switches. I like the idea of using Caps Lock or left Win key, but it's personal. It's remarkably flexible, really.

An idea I had and posted in another thread is to put the F keys on the Fn layer around the left hand home row so you can get them really quickly when gaming, especially if you use CapsLock as a Fn key (QWER as F1 to F4, ASDF as F5 to F8, etc.).

I have to say that the more I use my Pure, the more I love it. The layout has been surprisingly easy to get used to, but I don't use the F keys when gaming.

Yeah, if I get a poker 2 I'm planning on using Caps as my Fn, or change my arrow keys to the left hand side so that I can use them with only one hand :) That's something I'll have to experiment with. I'm still considering the G2 Pro though.. because I know I loved the feeling of blues (I tried the greens (Razer!) on the BW TE. Closest I could get), so I'm thinking clears might be closer to my preferences (especially if I change the springs). However, I'm very intruiged by the small formfactor of 75% and 60%s, so I'm thinking TKL might be too big! Also, there's the backlit and all that shizzles..
GOD, I wish someone could just say BUY THAT ONE, but I know it's way too much subjective opinion involved in this. >_>

EDIT: I don't use the F keys either when I'm gaming.. At least not in any of the games I've played so far. And if I ever DO need them, I believe the F keys on a poker 2 would be way easier to reach than the F keys on a TKL (Caps plus 1-9 is easier than reaching all the way up to F1-12 on a TKL ^^)

EDIT2: So, if I buy a Poker 2, would that be easy to sell later, if I find out the formfactor ain't suited for me? :)

EDIT number 18573: An option is also the Leopold FC660M, though it lacks the cool onboard programming you can do with both the race and poker 2. And also, it's possible to install LEDs on a poker 2, which I really want to do :D (I love the glowing effect), which isn't possible on the leopold.

Arrow keys on the Poker II are bound to FN + WASD, so if you change your FN to be on CAPS then you'll be able to use it left-hand only out-of-the-box.

Also consider MX Locks if you plan on using the arrowkeys a lot (requires little mod)

Also it's available in Black Blue Brown Red, and nothing will stop you changing them to clears.

From my personnal experience, i bought my Poker II to try the 60%, it's a never lookback. Only thing i might consider is the same layout with a numpad like on the QuickFire TKL.

Poker II can be resold as used very easily, you'll most probably find a local buyer. Just make sure to keep it clean. The board is really well developped with it's FN layer and additionnal PN layer, therefore i hardly think the layout won't fit you.

Also Poker II can be bought with LEDs nowaday, no need to add them manually.

Last thing, maybe you should check about the Race 2, i believe you're statement saying it's programmable is wrong, but that's as far as i know, maybe i'm wrong. I believe KBC only have the Poker II programmable.

1. I know the poker 2 has a backlit version, but I want the PBT caps..
2. Yes, the Race 2 is programmable, I'm one hundred percent positive
3. Sorry, I meant "able to use the arrowkeys with only the right hand", I mixed up left and right :))
4. I've never heard about the MX locks, so I'll check that out, thanks!
5. What's stopping me from modding it with clears is the cost. The switches itself will cost just as much as the whole board if I ever want to buy clears separately.

EDIT: Okey, I checked out the MX Locks. But the poker 2 has the possibility of "permanently" activating the Pn layer, so that would work just like an MX lock. Correct me if I'm wrong.

1. Totally forgot about the caps, you are right on going with PBT, LED backlite will be cooler with opaque keys. But i wish you good luck on finding those, i can't find them anymore myself online :/
2. Just learned something thanks
3. lol
4. I think the PN can stay on after a while but i'm pretty sure the FN doesn't. I've had this bug there FN would stay on only for the arrow keys on WASD so i couldn't type anymore using my WASD. It was a pain in the ass lol but anyway i believe for the FN layer you're best bet is an MX lock. Maybe you could ask a more advanced Poker II user (Because i totally ain't with my single year of use)

5. http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=search_list&s[search]=&s[title]=Y&s[short_desc]=Y&s[full_desc]=Y&s[sku]=Y&s[match]=all&s[cid]=43 OR maybe you can directly contact cherry to get them straight out of them

Hope that helped you. Gotta get back to work before the boss comes in and cuts my Mechanical Keyboards funds.


O wat.. Thanks for making me check at mechanicalkeyboards.com again... I've been looking at the price of a single clear switch, and NOT at the cost for a pack of hundred >_> Okey, so switching to clears would only cost about 50 bucks then (got all soldering equipment etc. that's needed).
Just to get this right: A poker 2 is plate mounted, right? :)

EDIT: Oh, btw.. what you said about the Fn key, I believe you're right, and there's no way of "permanently" activating it. However, what I was planning on doing was to programm the arrowkeys into the Pn layer, which solves the problem :)
« Last Edit: Thu, 15 May 2014, 09:46:33 by Sagii »

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #242 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 11:18:35 »
O wat.. Thanks for making me check at mechanicalkeyboards.com again... I've been looking at the price of a single clear switch, and NOT at the cost for a pack of hundred >_> Okey, so switching to clears would only cost about 50 bucks then (got all soldering equipment etc. that's needed).
Just to get this right: A poker 2 is plate mounted, right? :)

EDIT: Oh, btw.. what you said about the Fn key, I believe you're right, and there's no way of "permanently" activating it. However, what I was planning on doing was to programm the arrowkeys into the Pn layer, which solves the problem :)

I took off the whole citation stuff it was getting too long.

Check this out : http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46376.0

Confirms Poker 2 is plate mount. Read the whole Bluebär's post to make sure you ain't missing anything (he's really senior about keyboards, did pretty much everything it seems).

If you plan on binding things to the PN layer, make sure you really bind everything you will need, because classic layout inputs will not be accessible in PN mode. PN mode is incredibly powerful yet very confusing sometimes. You'll get used to it, it gets better once you know how it works properly.

I'm personnaly switching my browns Poker II to clears next month when i'll have the spare money. I'll change the whole typing field and leave the modifiers to brown, and put a gray for spacebar and escape.
See my blog here : https://delitech.live

Poker II - Brown MX

Ducky One II TKL - Silver MX

TEX Shinobi - Clear MX

Offline Sagii

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #243 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 11:22:51 »
O wat.. Thanks for making me check at mechanicalkeyboards.com again... I've been looking at the price of a single clear switch, and NOT at the cost for a pack of hundred >_> Okey, so switching to clears would only cost about 50 bucks then (got all soldering equipment etc. that's needed).
Just to get this right: A poker 2 is plate mounted, right? :)

EDIT: Oh, btw.. what you said about the Fn key, I believe you're right, and there's no way of "permanently" activating it. However, what I was planning on doing was to programm the arrowkeys into the Pn layer, which solves the problem :)

I took off the whole citation stuff it was getting too long.

Check this out : http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46376.0

Confirms Poker 2 is plate mount. Read the whole Bluebär's post to make sure you ain't missing anything (he's really senior about keyboards, did pretty much everything it seems).

If you plan on binding things to the PN layer, make sure you really bind everything you will need, because classic layout inputs will not be accessible in PN mode. PN mode is incredibly powerful yet very confusing sometimes. You'll get used to it, it gets better once you know how it works properly.

I'm personnaly switching my browns Poker II to clears next month when i'll have the spare money. I'll change the whole typing field and leave the modifiers to brown, and put a gray for spacebar and escape.

Lol, I didn't even realise it was that long.
And yeah, if I'm gonna use the Pn layer I know I have to program everything I need, I got it all sorted out ^^ thanks for the link, even though I might've read it before. Nonetheless, it's useful!
And yeah, I think what I'm gonna do at this stage is buy a Poker 2 with browns, and see how I like it. If I like the formfactor I'll keep it, and maybe put on some different switches. If I don't like the formfactor I'll just sell it ^^

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #244 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 11:27:10 »
O wat.. Thanks for making me check at mechanicalkeyboards.com again... I've been looking at the price of a single clear switch, and NOT at the cost for a pack of hundred >_> Okey, so switching to clears would only cost about 50 bucks then (got all soldering equipment etc. that's needed).
Just to get this right: A poker 2 is plate mounted, right? :)

EDIT: Oh, btw.. what you said about the Fn key, I believe you're right, and there's no way of "permanently" activating it. However, what I was planning on doing was to programm the arrowkeys into the Pn layer, which solves the problem :)

I took off the whole citation stuff it was getting too long.

Check this out : http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46376.0

Confirms Poker 2 is plate mount. Read the whole Bluebär's post to make sure you ain't missing anything (he's really senior about keyboards, did pretty much everything it seems).

If you plan on binding things to the PN layer, make sure you really bind everything you will need, because classic layout inputs will not be accessible in PN mode. PN mode is incredibly powerful yet very confusing sometimes. You'll get used to it, it gets better once you know how it works properly.

I'm personnaly switching my browns Poker II to clears next month when i'll have the spare money. I'll change the whole typing field and leave the modifiers to brown, and put a gray for spacebar and escape.

Lol, I didn't even realise it was that long.
And yeah, if I'm gonna use the Pn layer I know I have to program everything I need, I got it all sorted out ^^ thanks for the link, even though I might've read it before. Nonetheless, it's useful!
And yeah, I think what I'm gonna do at this stage is buy a Poker 2 with browns, and see how I like it. If I like the formfactor I'll keep it, and maybe put on some different switches. If I don't like the formfactor I'll just sell it ^^

Yeah. It's not very expensive, one of the most cost-efficient imo. You'll enjoy as far as i'm concerned because it's really well engineered. Browns is a very good choice imo, getting into mechanical with tactiles or clicky is the best in my opinion since it really signs off the whole mechanical thing/frenzy over here.

Also if you play games such as FPS or mmo you'll really like that form factor, saves space for the mouse and it's usable just like a gamepad.

Really nice board i do recommend. 10/10 on everything i type i would retype it again.

Plus the board has an infinit amound of swag
See my blog here : https://delitech.live

Poker II - Brown MX

Ducky One II TKL - Silver MX

TEX Shinobi - Clear MX

Offline Sagii

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #245 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 15:36:45 »
Yo guys, just wanna quickly stop by and say that my KBC Poker 2 with MX Browns is now ordered! :D Oh... and some novelty keycaps... I couldn't resist :))

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #246 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 16:13:13 »
Congratulations!

Now we'll want pics when it arrives, okay?
Buying more keycaps,
it really hacks my wallet,
but I must have them.

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #247 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 16:18:17 »
Congratulations!

Now we'll want pics when it arrives, okay?

Haha, we'll see ^.^ and thank you :) let's just hope I like the formfactor! Nonetheless, I'm excited :D
... and I should totally be sleeping right now :rolleyes:

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #248 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 23:50:23 »
Congrats! Lets hope that it is the right keyboard for you. Which novelty keycaps did you buy?
Keyboards: Dell AT102W (matias standard clicky), Maltron two-hand 3D fully ergonomic keyboard (Vintage MX Black). CM QF XT (MX Grey) IBM model M

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Re: Gaming keyboards
« Reply #249 on: Thu, 15 May 2014, 23:53:40 »
Congrats! Lets hope that it is the right keyboard for you. Which novelty keycaps did you buy?

I don't know if they count as novelty caps, but from my understanding they do ^^' a sagittarius green cap, L from deathnote, yinyang, and something I don't know what is, but it looked cool :)) CRAP.. I just realised I forgot to buy one of the red ESC leopold caps :c

EDIT: Exam in five minutes, wish me good luck! Just wanna point out the fact that the last thing I did before the exam was lurking at the GH forum! :))
« Last Edit: Fri, 16 May 2014, 01:58:45 by Sagii »