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Offline sdiearly

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TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 06:41:51 »

This product name is coming from Master Yoda


TEX, this small studio showed us a new design that mechanical keyboard can work with trackpoint.
And held a demonstration in Taiwan on 2014 Jan.

In the bottom of picture, there is a hand-made poker /w trackpoint by a DIY expert "Aries"
Here is his blog http://aries.armake.com/ (of course it is in Chinese)

Now, check out my TEX Yoda

1. Unboxing
Yoda has the same size as Beetle, TEX guys didn't make new box to pack Yoda


What do we have: TEX Yoda / TEX USB cable / replaceable keycaps / 3 different trackpoint cap




This Yoda is grey color, since GREEN is the original tone but not popular,
TEX add grey choice to back up.


This grey color is darker than previous 60% alumni case.

re upload picture due to the key word in the address[f-a-G]


2. Structure
The output in Yoda is an USB-HUB, and the mini-USB port is different from common design.


Connect with TEX cable which is design as 90 degree angle.


Straight cable also have enough space to go round a corner.
Here is Lindy cromo mini USB


Layout
Basic 60% in 61 keys, trackpoint, and 3 mouse keys in the bottom


These threes keys are remachine, to give space for trakpoint.


Three mouse keys(cherry profile, POM materiel)

From Aries' experience, if mouse keys on the front side,
the pressing force make keyboard move and finger be tired easily.
TEX follows IBM style, put on the bottom side.

Basic layer
I don't like the FN layer, hope TEX can provide user customized feature later.


dip switches table









Disassembly


Must take off the basis of trackpoint cap first.


Trackpoint module, mouse keys pcb


USB hub, this board can handle keyboard and PS2 mouse signals then output to USB.


Electronic parts
the wires color represent Taiwan, you can also find this tone in the KBT Pure replica


Alumni CNC case and feets


« Last Edit: Mon, 19 May 2014, 12:17:25 by sdiearly »
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 07:37:00 »
f-a-G is banned word...... :eek:
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:41:20 »
I'll buy it. Closest thing to the miniguru yet, and I've been waiting for that for years.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:45:17 »
I'll buy it. Closest thing to the miniguru yet, and I've been waiting for that for years.


There was a group buy/sale already but the thread got disappeared.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57909.0 for reference

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:47:00 »
I'll buy it. Closest thing to the miniguru yet, and I've been waiting for that for years.


There was a group buy/sale already but the thread got disappeared.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57909.0 for reference

Soooooo how do I get my hands on one? N/m, found the order page.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 12:34:35 »

Soooooo how do I get my hands on one? N/m, found the order page.

This gb's orders are shipped last week, and I was the first receiving due to local guy.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 12:42:52 »
wow that's really nice. Yeah I saw the other thread too.

Unfortunately the keycaps for the GHB keys need to be different. Can they be fixed with a drill?


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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 12:56:40 »
Thank you for posting all the photos and for breaking it down the way you did. Awesome overview.  :thumb:

Also very sorry I missed out on getting one of these boards.  :'(

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 13:40:46 »
Thank you for posting all the photos and for breaking it down the way you did. Awesome overview.  :thumb:

Also very sorry I missed out on getting one of these boards.  :'(

Seems like its you can still buy it if I am not mistaken. Very nice board. Wished there was an 75% version.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 14:28:48 »
The price is really steep though... :(


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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 14:44:11 »
> $250 :(

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 14:49:39 »
Seems like its you can still buy it if I am not mistaken.

I don't think there's a way to buy it at this moment, but it will go on sale. The other thread was a pre-order, not a one-time GB.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 15:10:49 »
Glad to see we have another thread on here, after the other one got deleted.

Only thing that held me back from purchasing this is the lack of programmability to create a more logical second layer.  I think this keyboard could really be improved if the navigation keys could be accessed and used with only one hand, similar to the HHKB navigation keys.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 15:14:06 »
*drool*

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 18:05:49 »
aha! thank you for providing a takeapart!

Now that I've seen the internals (and I approve) I can finally buy one!

There's not enough takeapart reviews around, so I greatly appreciate them when I see.

again, many thanks.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 12:10:35 »
Soooo how's it working out? Been intrigued by this one since the announcement... Figure it's pretty straightforward, but I am curious about how the trackpoint works out, and particularly how the MX-as-mouse-buttons works. Really looking forward to a programmable version of this, but at least the way the fn layer is clustered together, I can remap hjkl to arrow keys in software. Nice that the fn key can be moved to the left, as I only ever use control from the caps-lock location. Hoping another run of these comes soon, and look forward to hearing impressions on the trackpoint operation itself.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 12:32:11 »
Soooo how's it working out?

I don't know how to describe, this is just mouse moving with finger press...
more smooth than IBM's, that's only I can tell you clearly.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 12:59:48 »
This looks like something I need. It's way too expensive, but damn.

I'm just a little confused by the information on the homepage - on the one hand it says that world wide shipping is included in the price, on the other hand it says to use an "english address"?

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 20 May 2014, 13:25:57 »
I don't know how to describe, this is just mouse moving with finger press...
more smooth than IBM's, that's only I can tell you clearly.

Thanks, I guess I just wanted to make sure things sort of fell into place right since I don't think the trackpoint was ever intended to be used with big ol' honkin' mech switches. Do the keys-as-mouse-buttons feel right?

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 17:22:53 »
Only thing that held me back from purchasing this is the lack of programmability
Yes. Hope in next version will add.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 19:17:12 »
Only thing that held me back from purchasing this is the lack of programmability
Yes. Hope in next version will add.

For a modern 60% keyboard, not providing a way to program your own layout is a clear NO-NO. Especially knowing that they are using a very powerful microcontroller that could EASILY support programmability.

Worse, the Fn layout they provide doesn't make sense. It's unusable.

So they won't get my money.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 21 May 2014, 21:39:56 »
For a modern 60% keyboard, not providing a way to program your own layout is a clear NO-NO. Especially knowing that they are using a very powerful microcontroller that could EASILY support programmability.
Worse, the Fn layout they provide doesn't make sense. It's unusable.
So they won't get my money.

I didn't find any modern 60% in commercial with user programmable feature, even the next new product -  ducky mini will be the same.
Currently I only know that poker/pure-pro can re-assign the key map.
But they all can't be programmable like GH60, or other user DIY modules.
Hope those companies can improve this.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 22 May 2014, 04:50:04 »
For a modern 60% keyboard, not providing a way to program your own layout is a clear NO-NO. Especially knowing that they are using a very powerful microcontroller that could EASILY support programmability.
Worse, the Fn layout they provide doesn't make sense. It's unusable.
So they won't get my money.

I didn't find any modern 60% in commercial with user programmable feature, even the next new product -  ducky mini will be the same.
Currently I only know that poker/pure-pro can re-assign the key map.
But they all can't be programmable like GH60, or other user DIY modules.
Hope those companies can improve this.

Being programmable is a requirement for a 60% keyboard. I have not found it is required for a TKL or a full size.

All my 60% keyboards are programmable, either fully or at least enough that I can remap the Fn layer: Poker X (modded, and connected to Hasu's PS/2 converter), HHKB Pro 2 (with Hasu's dedicated controller board), GH60, Poker 2, KBT Pure Pro.

If I didn't have some way to program their Fn layer, I would spend my time switching to different layouts all the time. It's simply impossible.

So I want to make it clear that I call programmability a requirement because it really is, not because I have some kind of agenda in favor of this feature. The lack of standard for the Fn layouts, which most importantly tells you where you find the arrow keys, is what makes programmability mandatory.

Tex cannot get away with an expensive keyboard that is not programmable. It's a serious design flaw, almost inexcusable for a keyboard that already has a powerful microcontroller, made only worse by the fact that great programmable firmwares like Hasu's or Soarer's are available as open source.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 22 May 2014, 05:26:44 »
Tex cannot get away with an expensive keyboard that is not programmable. It's a serious design flaw, almost inexcusable for a keyboard that already has a powerful microcontroller, made only worse by the fact that great programmable firmwares like Hasu's or Soarer's are available as open source.

I agree that. This toy is just my collection, not utility now.  ^-^
It's pity that point of geeker's view not equal to business'.

Except via DIY to make a track-point keyboard.
Maybe you have to wait TEX add programmable feature, or to wait another great design release.
You should feel happy that wallet won't be empty. :)

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 22 May 2014, 12:11:20 »
I'd still take the MiniGuru over this, but since this seems like it will actually make it to market, I'll snap one up as soon as it's programmable.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 22 May 2014, 16:40:38 »
This is the only thread here... but lots of people say they received it, and still not review :P

Can i still order those? I agree it is too much money, but that would be awesome base for modding later with a custom board.... as is, i can't see myself using too much the right modifier keys for everything with a full sized space bar. i'm thinking a lot about it while i consider buying a pokerII and unless the spacebar ends under the middle of M at least, i can't see myself using it much since i'd need my pink free for control/shift, while activating the Fn with the thumb to input things like ctrl+home/end, shift+ins, shift+page up/down... which i use a lot. tho in the poker i can at least program those even that being extra stuff to think about when changing boards and i hate that.

Also, all those trackpad keyboards really need a dedicated scroll whell under the spacebar. i used a thinkpad for a long time, and having everything on the tip of the index finger really gets tiring after a while. having a scroll that you can use with the thumb would make wonders to fatigue.

...anyway, the order page says ordering ended 3 months ago...

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 22 May 2014, 16:42:30 »
This is the only thread here... but lots of people say they received it, and still not review :P
I still haven't received mine, but when I do I will do a review! ;D

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 22 May 2014, 21:34:23 »
Can i still order those?

Taiwan will make a gb inner later.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 26 May 2014, 08:29:48 »
Can i still order those?
http://www.tex-design.com.tw/US_order.html
http://www.tex-design.com.tw/EU_order.html

I did order about two days ago.

Even with lack of programmability and scroll it's interesting keyboard. At first I thought to take poker or tex beetle, but trackpoint and full aluminium case tip the scale (poker + alum case ~$200+).

Unfortunately now too few reviews and the price is quite high, but i hope keyboard worth the money.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 26 May 2014, 08:55:49 »
Wow, not that into 60% anymore but wow that is one sick keyboard.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 29 May 2014, 12:23:53 »
I received my Yoda today in the UK. But the tops of all my (black) keys are blank, only the fronts (media keys, arrows, etc) are printed on. And I received no spare keys for other layouts. I don't even think it was an option to buy it with blank keys was it? little confused and disappointed right now.

I expected this, https://imgur.com/a/UOOFC#sOKUeJm, but got no spare keys and the tops of all my keys are blank.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 29 May 2014, 12:40:43 »
And I received no spare keys for other layouts.
Did you ask tex about that? I also expect keys for other layouts. What about keyboard? I think blank keycaps with media print it's no bad, if there was an option I probably would have chosen it.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 29 May 2014, 12:48:51 »
I received my Yoda today in the UK. But the tops of all my (black) keys are blank, only the fronts (media keys, arrows, etc) are printed on. And I received no spare keys for other layouts. I don't even think it was an option to buy it with blank keys was it? little confused and disappointed right now.

I expected this, https://imgur.com/a/UOOFC#sOKUeJm, but got no spare keys and the tops of all my keys are blank.

I can help you to inform TEX here geekhack guy met this case.
But still need your detail information.
You'd better to give Justin@tex-design.com.tw a mail with a picture, to show what you received and what shortage.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 30 May 2014, 08:19:56 »
huh, on closer inspection it looks like that's how the EU version was supposed to come, kinda strange though.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 05:06:50 »
huh, on closer inspection it looks like that's how the EU version was supposed to come, kinda strange though.

Justin told me yours is EU design, with non printed on top side.
Due to too many kinds of languages.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #35 on: Sun, 08 June 2014, 13:35:53 »
It was already stated that at this price the thing should be programmable, and they should add high quality keycaps, maybe PBT with sublimated legends. This is just a no way, for display only board. Shame on the designers.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 02:19:19 »
No review yet on this beauty?

Visit the Typing Test and try!

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 09 June 2014, 13:55:25 »
Are this leds holes on the pcb photo? Maybe leds ambilight possible?

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 10 June 2014, 14:39:04 »
huh, on closer inspection it looks like that's how the EU version was supposed to come, kinda strange though.

Justin told me yours is EU design, with non printed on top side.
Due to too many kinds of languages.

If there are too many language layouts, I think the proper way to do an EU design is state that it will come blank keycaps, or the buyer can get a discount for a keyboard that comes without keycaps, except it includes the custom key caps that go around the trackpoint nub and for the mouse buttons.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 10 June 2014, 22:39:29 »
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Third picture reminded me of this.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 17 June 2014, 04:59:19 »
who knows the purpose of this button?
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 17 June 2014, 05:01:01 »
That 'arrow' button is probably the same as the V60 Mini - it lets you do an arrow lock (Fn & Enter) making the bottom three function keys and the right shift an arrow block :)

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 17 June 2014, 05:09:41 »
 I can confirm that Fn+arrow will make the right hand corner into navigation key. Just make sure to use the dip switches to move the fn key otherwise you won't be able to unset the navigation layer...
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 17 June 2014, 05:15:32 »
Having had a bit of play with board, I think it would be better to have the fn layer printed on the top of the keys and the qwerty legends on the front. I'd guess that most owners would be able to touch type, but would struggle to get used to the fn layer - at least at first.

Oh, if you get one with a grey case, it looks great with a burgundy trackpoint cover...
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 17 June 2014, 06:17:41 »
Thanks!

Yes, grey case with burgundy trackpoint looks nice. Red 'Esc' would be cool and bumps on 4 and 7 like on f j for perfect workflow.

scrlk / pause works on mac as brightness controls. Lack of X axis scrolling disappointing.

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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 17 June 2014, 08:48:59 »
Having had a bit of play with board, I think it would be better to have the fn layer printed on the top of the keys and the qwerty legends on the front. I'd guess that most owners would be able to touch type, but would struggle to get used to the fn layer - at least at first.

Oh, if you get one with a grey case, it looks great with a burgundy trackpoint cover...

The aesthetics might be an important part of any board, so printing the FN layer on top could scare some customers away.
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 18 June 2014, 09:03:19 »
Just make sure to use the dip switches to move the fn key otherwise you won't be able to unset the navigation layer...

This is ****ing retarded.

Whoever the hell designed this crap is a total idiot. Remapping FN key by an FN function and requiring an FN function to remap the key to FN is plain retarded, bad design lol
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 26 June 2014, 07:43:21 »
Today install o-rings and try to replace esc and enter. With 'Esc' no problem, but with 'Enter'. White hooks(?) glued. Where i can get this thing and how they named?
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Re: TEX Yoda, mini keyboard with trackpoint
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 26 June 2014, 07:59:53 »
Name is the tip of my tongue, but check WASD keyboards.
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