MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.

[Belfong]

Hush, MiTo, hush!

[Photekq]

We are both guilty Bunny.

Your approach on the PuLSE's IC thread was terrible and my comprehension of it, probably even worse.

I didn't lie about Ctrl.Alt or about you anywhere, I insulted you on Reddit and we fought via PMs long time ago - that's all.

[byker]

He gave you this option right in the quote you posted...

I understood that he just wants to walk away and completely ignore myself and my efforts to change this situation.

Respect is earned, not given. I will not respect you until I have seen you act nicely to this community, I am sure the same goes with Bunny.

[BunnyLake]

i gave you the out, but you just cant help yourself, you just have to keep twisting the knife

its like banging my head against a brick wall, i cant be bothered to waste my time copying and pasting, mito is denying stuff, all you have to do is flick through his threads or his gh posts to see that isnt the case, let alone reddit etc

i cant believe im gonna say this

but in order to help you, step away, you arent reading what people are saying to you, step back, and take their points in before rushing to reply, because you are proving them right, not convincing them they are wrong

[ConscienceDrop]

I don't have much skin in this whole ordeal, but i have to say something here.

I was not on Mito's side to start at all. I think that his original comment on reddit was kinda ****ed up even if he didn't mean it that way; and his responses when people brought that up were not very mature and only escalated the issue.

but he was not the only one to throw ****, and now he is here covered in **** like you all are, and he is trying to apologize.

even if you don't like how he is apologizing, even if you think some of his conducts in and outside of this debacle are also questionable: he is apologizing.


I will admit, its not the smoothest apology i have ever seen, but we are on the internet and everyone involved is covered in ****, there is only so much we can do before we trust each other enough to move on.



It will be disappointing if this community insists on crucifying Mito until he says something back. and once he says something back that will be taken as further evidence of his guilt and all the goading on will be forgotten. . .

I'm sure there is a possible future where Mito stays a member of geekhack and is a positive influence on the community.

and im sure there is a possible future where Mito is pushed out of the community, by his own or others actions.


I feel at this point it seems that Mito has shown at least a level of cooperation that should be acknowledged, you don't have to like the guy but don't kick more **** on him when he is down.

its nice to see people from time to time play devils advocate

but he did all the flinging, he said i was uneducated, he lied about both me and ctrl alt, used lies about ctrl alt and me to promote himself, i have used some rude words about him, WHEN REPLYING, but it was always that, in response, i can see your point of view judging from events that occurred just in the last day or so, but this has gone on much longer than that

I really respect your work, and I know you will be a valued member of this community no matter what happens; this may not be the same for Mito.
 Please let me say one more thing then I will mind my own business.


The nature of an apology is sometimes more grey than the black and white we like to think it is.

Mito is offering some form of an apology, it might not be a total apology and maybe he is unable to allow himself to truly admit all his wrongs.
Maybe later he will see the foolishness of certain actions and he will apologize further.


It is not weakness to accept a partial apology, you don't need to excuse every action someone has done on order to move forward.
It really does seem to me that Mito would like to move forward (for whatever reasons). And while it is fair to not drop Mito's actions entirely you must at least acknowledge that he is in some way (however small you think it is) trying to make things better.


like I said before, I am certain that there is a possible future for Mito here that is positive, and it is just as possible that he is pushed out by people who cannot forgive him.


All I can really say is that Mito can only truely stop defending himself once he is no longer afraid of being hung for his actions.

 You are arguing for understandable reasons, but your continued place in this community does not depend on you winning the argument.
Mito is not only arguing because of personal reasons, he is also arguing to stay alive as a member of Geekhack in general.

if you are all able to forgive Mito (even to a small extent) then it will give Mito more room to reflect upon his own actions. He needs to feel that he will actually be heard and not just punished before he is able to truly apologize.

[MiTo]

This thread is becoming really stressful to me.

I knew that some people wouldn't comprehend my core message but I wasn't expecting it to be like this. This whole issue is not something that could be fixed just with a couple of posts because much damage was done, I know.

I though it would be a good first step but you're showing me otherwise.

[exitfire401]

This thread is becoming really stressful to me.

I knew that some people wouldn't comprehend my core message but I wasn't expecting it to be like this. This whole issue is not something that could be fixed just with a couple of posts because much damage was done, I know.

I though it would be a good first step but you're showing me otherwise.

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

[jackalope]

This thread is becoming really stressful to me.

I knew that some people wouldn't comprehend my core message but I wasn't expecting it to be like this. This whole issue is not something that could be fixed just with a couple of posts because much damage was done, I know.

I though it would be a good first step but you're showing me otherwise.

If i may, I would like to give you a piece of advice,  you put your own foot in the trap , stop shooting yourself in the other foot.

[demik]

i think the problem is that you aren't owning up to your mistakes, but instead blaming others for the way you acted. which is a half assed apology. and the fact you re-did nub's keyset publicly, just to look like a good guy. you could have sent that to him over PM, as this has NOTHING to do with the matter at hand.

[BunnyLake]

This thread is becoming really stressful to me.

I knew that some people wouldn't comprehend my core message but I wasn't expecting it to be like this. This whole issue is not something that could be fixed just with a couple of posts because much damage was done, I know.

I though it would be a good first step but you're showing me otherwise.

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

i have no idea what you are reading

[exitfire401]

This thread is becoming really stressful to me.

I knew that some people wouldn't comprehend my core message but I wasn't expecting it to be like this. This whole issue is not something that could be fixed just with a couple of posts because much damage was done, I know.

I though it would be a good first step but you're showing me otherwise.

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

i have no idea what you are reading

I'm just saying, he hasn't gone to the "you're a ****ing retard, shut the **** up" level he has in the past. That alone is impressive to me. That's all I'm saying. That, and he needs to give respect to get it. I'm not saying that his comments aren't backhanded, I'm just saying I feel he genuinely has made some comments here that show he can act as a level headed individual. He may have gone about it incorrectly, but it's better than what he's done in the past.

[MiTo]

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread and rest a bit.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

[demik]

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

3 way private messages. they can all read it and all reply.

[Puddsy]

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

3 way private messages. they can all read it and all reply.

If you're insinuating that this should be handled privately from here on I agree with you

[exitfire401]

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

3 way private messages. they can all read it and all reply.

If you're insinuating that this should be handled privately from here on I agree with you

Thirded.

[hwood34]

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

3 way private messages. they can all read it and all reply.

If you're insinuating that this should be handled privately from here on I agree with you

Thirded.

420ed

[bueller]

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

3 way private messages. they can all read it and all reply.

If you're insinuating that this should be handled privately from here on I agree with you

Thirded.

420ed

blazeit***et!

[hwood34]

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

3 way private messages. they can all read it and all reply.

If you're insinuating that this should be handled privately from here on I agree with you

Thirded.

420ed

blazeit***et!

mito RIP in panini

[nubbinator]

Since MiTo is waiting for my reply and I've seen a lot of dirt flung about, I'll go ahead and give my reply.

You pretty much nailed it on why I have a hard time with you.  And, for the record, I have not gone out of my way to try and belittle you or anything else.  When I posted my original comment in the BB thread it was because I felt genuine betrayal to see someone who got so much help from the community and who got a successful buy out of it go out and say something that totally spat in the face of the community. Maybe it wasn't right of me to air it in public like that, but at the same time, I felt that something needed to be said.  It had nothing to do with prior history.  After all, I also called out PMH and we have no history.

So onto the history.  If I'm going to be completely honest, you always annoyed me a little.  Plenty of people on here do though.  You had a way of self-promotion that just rubbed me wrong.  Then I watched as you began to belittle people's designs and mock-ups, my own included.  When stuff went down, I felt like your apologies weren't apologies, but an attempt to save face and paint yourself as a good guy.  The "analysis" on why the buy failed and then posting it to Reddit was just twisting the knife and felt like a vindictive slap in the face.  In fact, many of your following comments have felt that way, bragging about how well your GB did, then belittling mine for failing and all the negativity sent my way.  It pissed me off and I decided to cut you out and ignore you.  I've learned that it's better to cut people out in life and ignore them than to face the drama that can come about by interacting with them.  I have enough stress from my job, I don't need it from my hobbies too. 

If you are genuinely sorry and want to be seen as a good guy, cut back on the self-promotion, listen when people give advice and respond politely.  If they over step, politely call them out in private or ignore them.  Do stuff to help the community behind the scenes or without any hope of benefiting from it.  Maybe that means PMing people their own mock ups if they're asking for help.  To be frank, that would have gone a long way with you and me.  If you had just kept your mouth closed and PMed mock ups, I would have graciously said thank you and posted them.

I can see why others are pissed about the new mockup for my GB.  I can see why, though I don't share in their level of animosity.  I do think it is a little rude to state that you made it better when you abandoned the stripe concept central to it and that you stated you corrected some mistakes without discussing it with me.  At the same time, I do appreciate that you are attempting to mend bridges; however, part of that is putting your ego aside and letting someone else realize their concept.  If you want to give suggestions politely (have you thought about doing XYZ), that's always appreciated, but reworking a concept without discussion does kind of give an I know better than you feel.

In short, Bunny pretty much nailed some of my sentiments, if a bit more...passionately than I would:

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do you not understand, that relentlessly teasing someone for their design, offending them, and telling them to **** off, isnt fixed by you renaming their buy, redoing their artwork and insinuating they need your help to make it a success, you are doing everything you can to make him feel as small as possible

I'm someone who is willing to give people second chances, but they have to earn their respect back.  After what's happened, it will be a journey.  Part of that is owning up to your mistakes, something I see has only been partially done in this thread.  It's not an easy thing to fess up to your mistakes (like when I dropped and broke a $5000 lens), but it does clear the air and start to rebuild trust.

I want to be in the same camp as Moz, believing in the goodness of people, but ****ty experiences throughout my life have taught me to be skeptical.  So I encourage you to keep trying to rebuild trust with the community and show that you can change and that you are maturing.  I know I'm not perfect, but that is something I strive for and I strive to see in others.  It is that sustained change that builds trust.

Something that would go a long way in my book would be calling out K3 and denouncing him on Reddit.

[strict]

all of this just smacks of you realising the position you are now in, and desperately trying to back pedal and get away with it, you didnt apologise, you denied, made excuses and continued to belittle people

you even managed to turn this post about you and your apparent design skills

do you not understand, that relentlessly teasing someone for their design, offending them, and telling them to **** off, isnt fixed by you renaming their buy, redoing their artwork and insinuating they need your help to make it a success, you are doing everything you can to make him feel as small as possible

im not gonna get started on all the backhanded insults you made at me, people can clearly read that for what it is

i read this earlier and decided not to comment because it didnt read as an apology, more so a blame shifting, condescending, polished up turd rebuttle.

This is really how I interpreted this whole thread. I cringed hard reading his "apology" and every post after that just made it seem ever-more insincere.

[whentheclouds]

i thought this whole fiasco blew over already? anyway, i've always had a less than stellar opinion of Mito since his first GB, especially his 'community' rhetorics, but this comment really solidified my view of him:

"Do you believe that the ****er just printed this comment, went to the Cospar thread and said that he will ban everybody (from his site) that shows interest on my stuff? I'm laughing so hard (lol), he's looking like those dictators that manipulate everyone in order to impose his point of view and desires. Poor man, should've graduated from college, at least. I'm not a native english speaker and apparently I've got more knowledge over the English language than he does, as he can't even use commas or capitals. Seriously, sometimes I struggle to read his ****. He believes that banning people from that **** is a big deal. I'm probably banned already, so sad... Now I can't buy overpriced stuff to make him profit."

i'm completely aware bunny and co said were also guilty of making some unpleasant statements, but i didn't see anything close to resembling the level of malice found in the above comment. i doubted that the same person who was capable of such vitriol just a day or two prior could write anything more than a half assed apology, and reading it confirms what i was thinking. even in his posts itt, he is trying to say 'yes i ****ed up but you also ****ed up', which isn't what an apology is.

Mito, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt as to the sincerity of your apology, but ultimately you're further distancing yourself from the people you're trying to reconcile with, which include those who have helped you with your first foray into leading a GB, and neutral onlookers who might enjoy your designs but refrain from purchasing due to the infamy you have attained in that last few days. i hope you take a break from the site, learn more about keyboarding and return later when this is buried and forgotten

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Then I watched as you began to belittle people's designs and mock-ups, my own included.

this too. he got into a spat with another guy on Reddit over some frivolous BS relating to their respective keysets. also it was pretty funny to see him post his opinion on others' designs like some kind of expert. i still don't hate him, but he should be aware of how he carries himself in other people's views. if the posts made by numerous individuals over the last few days didn't make it clear, then i'm not sure how else we can help him

[samwisekoi]

So dang. More drama. How hard is it to say 'Sorry, I messed up. I'll try to do better in the future. Just watch.'?

I missed all of this when it was happening, but was asked by one of the parties to look at it today.  I did.

At this point, I think that everyone who is going to apologize has done so - to the best of their ability. And now we have freakin' official threads from everybody.

AND NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT KEYBOARDS..

So dang.

Can everyone PLEASE just move on?  MiTo, just pipe down and give it time.  More words won't help. Everyone else, please no more threads about 'the situation',  Please, I beg you.

How about that new Ducky Shine Mini, eh?

 - Ron | samwisekoi

[hwood34]

So... time for a lock?

[samwisekoi]

So... time for a lock?

I cannot argue with a cyberpunk vulture.

Done.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

[jdcarpe]

Since you are waiting on my reply, MiTo, I'll just let you know that I am not going to comment at this time, other than to say that I am taking some time to reflect on this thread, recent events, and how you present yourself in the near future, before I post anything further on the matter.