In your opinion, what is the best spring weight for Ergo Clears

[Bromono]

Will be making some soon. Want to know what is the most popular Korean spring weight used to make them.

[Flyersfan1]

62g

[DrHubblePhD]

Will be making some soon. Want to know what is the most popular Korean spring weight used to make them.

I think ergo clear is specifically mx brown springs, but the most popular weight is probable 62g or 65g

[slickmamba]

62g is the most common for sure.  I have tried 65 and 60 as well.  60 is nice, but gets a little sticky/sluggish(I haven't lubed yet so who knows)  65 was really nice too.  It all comes down to preference. 

[nubbinator]

67-68g is perfect to me and 70g is okay, but not as nice.  65g is nice if you prefer a little lighter.  62g still may need some lube in my experience, but should be fine after the switches are smoother from breaking in.  55g is too light.

[jdcarpe]

Traditionally, ergo clears used the light springs from browns/reds/blues, which by Korean measurement would be 60g. But the new gold standard that most people use now that other options are available, is the 62g Korean spring.

[Bromono]

I am probably going to lean to 65g. Sounds like the perfect weight from what nuberator was saying. Also where is the best place to buy switch stickers. I am aware of originative but they seem to be shady lately.

[jdcarpe]

I am probably going to lean to 65g. Sounds like the perfect weight from what nuberator was saying. Also where is the best place to buy switch stickers. I am aware of originative but they seem to be shady lately.

Try techkeys.us. They seem to stock them, at least last I checked.

I save my 65g springs for linears, since that's my favorite switch of all.

[Defect]

65-68g.

62g is most popular.  Not my favorite though.

[Oobly]

I love 62g, but with worn in and lubed switches I think I could enjoy 55 to 60g even more. Personal taste, really. I don't like heavy switches and feel that lighter springs enhance the tactility more.

An interesting aside is that although I'm not a big fan of linear switches I find 62g to be my favourite variant (between Brown springs, 62g, Black springs and Clear springs). Also, I prefer linears WITHOUT orings / trampolines, but like to use them with tactile switches.

[nubbinator]

I love 62g, but with worn in and lubed switches I think I could enjoy 55 to 60g even more. Personal taste, really. I don't like heavy switches and feel that lighter springs enhance the tactility more.

It really is preference.  I feel anything under 62g really starts to make them feel terrible.  They're too tactile and feel more wobbly and inconsistent to me with a lighter spring.  The slight catch on the return also makes them completely unpleasant to me since they lag a little.

[Sygaldry]

Without lube, the 62g kind of get caught on the upstroke. Lubed 62g does feel great though. This was my MX switch of preference before trying 50-55g Vintage Blacks.

In the end, I'm a Topre guy after all and won't be considering anything else 

[GL1TCH3D]

I can't use anything that's heavier than 60g. Even then 60g is pushinbg it for me.

I was using mx blacks 62g lubed and it still felt too heavy for me. Right now I'm using 55g ergo clears lubed

[dorkvader]

Traditionally, ergo clears used the light springs from browns/reds/blues, which by Korean measurement would be 60g. But the new gold standard that most people use now that other options are available, is the 62g Korean spring.

sometimes they don't return on stabilized keys though "normal" keys have always been fine for me. 62g return on stabilized keys that I've tried. Now I recommend 62-665g on stabilized keys and 60-62g on normal though you can go lower with proper lubrication.

[demik]

the trash

[frosty]

Will try 65g but for now 62g on my Poker with ergo-clears feel nice

[jdcarpe]

Will try 65g but for now 62g on my Poker with ergo-clears feel nice

You probably won't be able to feel a difference of 3g. If you have something that works for you, go with it!

[strict]

I tried 60g, 62g, 65g, 68g, 72g, and 78g springs in my clears. I liked the 78g the best but I tend to prefer heavier switches. If I weren't going to go with 78g I would definitely go for the 62g. That weight provided the most tactility and least amount of sluggish returns. I didn't like the 60g or 65g nearly as much. 65g felt like it numbed down the tactile bump slightly more than the 62g. 60g gave me a few switches that were sluggish to return. All my tests were done with unlubed switches.

[jdcarpe]

I tried 60g, 62g, 65g, 68g, 72g, and 78g springs in my clears. I liked the 78g the best but I tend to prefer heavier switches. If I weren't going to go with 78g I would definitely go for the 62g. That weight provided the most tactility and least amount of sluggish returns. I didn't like the 60g or 65g nearly as much. 65g felt like it numbed down the tactile bump slightly more than the 62g. 60g gave me a few switches that were sluggish to return. All my tests were done with unlubed switches.

I really like the 85g gold springs in my clears. I lubed them, of course, and have a full size Filco done with those.

[pichu23]

I'm using 62g on my clears. Lubed them as well. Feels really nice to type on compared to stock.

[jamster]

A couple of questions related to this topic from a new forum member.

First of all, do spring-modified clears feel noticeably different from Browns? I have tried Browns in stores and don't care much for them, as they feel fairly linear and 'dead' (my preference is IBM BS but I can't use them for noise these days).

Secondly, where can you buy replacement springs anyway? I'm assuming there are online sources as stores around here (that cater to mechanical keyboards) don't carry them.

[strict]

A couple of questions related to this topic from a new forum member.

First of all, do spring-modified clears feel noticeably different from Browns? I have tried Browns in stores and don't care much for them, as they feel fairly linear and 'dead' (my preference is IBM BS but I can't use them for noise these days).

Secondly, where can you buy replacement springs anyway? I'm assuming there are online sources as stores around here (that cater to mechanical keyboards) don't carry them.

Clears feel very different than browns across the board. The tactile bump on browns feel like a red switch with dirt caught in it whereas the tactile bump on clears is much more pronounced and feels intentional, not like a molding defect or like its dirty. Using lighter springs will increase this tactility even further.

I think Sprit is still selling springs with weighting all the way from 50g to 120g.  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0

[jamster]

Clears feel very different than browns across the board. The tactile bump on browns feel like a red switch with dirt caught in it whereas the tactile bump on clears is much more pronounced and feels intentional, not like a molding defect or like its dirty. Using lighter springs will increase this tactility even further.

I think Sprit is still selling springs with weighting all the way from 50g to 120g.  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0

Thanks for that info, especially the link.

I found a KUL with clears today and was impressed with how solid it felt. There was not as distinct a bump as I'd hoped for, but given that my benchmark for an actuation point is a buckling spring, I was probably a little unrealistic in my expectations. I'll probably pick up the keyboard tomorrow and try the stock springs for week.

[jamster]

So I bought a KUL with clears today, and just before ordering a load of replacement springs and some lube, thought I'd try popping out one switch just to try it.

And discovered the difference between PCB and plate mounted switches, i.e. I can't change springs without desoldering every bloody switch!

Oh well, guess I'm sticking with unmodified switches then. Still, I prefer the clears over any other Cherry switch so I guess I'm ahead.

[Blackehart]

78g gold!

[jacobolus]

And discovered the difference between PCB and plate mounted switches, i.e. I can't change springs without desoldering every bloody switch! Oh well, guess I'm sticking with unmodified switches then.

Desoldering and resoldering takes substantially less time than lubing the switches. I’d say at worst you spend an extra 30% more time than if you had PCB-mounted switches. Of course, if you don’t have easy access to a soldering iron, that could be a problem.

[Bromono]

i have heard that ergo clears are the closest switch to torpe. what weight would be close to what torpe has?

[asgeirtj]

55g is my favorite , haven't tried 57g or 58,5 though.

[nubbinator]

i have heard that ergo clears are the closest switch to torpe. what weight would be close to what torpe has?

Orange Alps are closer.

[spiceBar]

I'm totally humbled by all the Jedi fingers in here, who are able to feel the difference between 60 and 62g.

What is the nominal tolerance on these springs, again?

[sethk_]

I like my 62g sprit springs a lot.

[jamster]

Desoldering and resoldering takes substantially less time than lubing the switches. I’d say at worst you spend an extra 30% more time than if you had PCB-mounted switches. Of course, if you don’t have easy access to a soldering iron, that could be a problem.

Ah, I almost wish you hadn't written that   I have now dithered on this for a week and decided to go ahead and order some springs and will get a decent soldering station and desolderer. I can imagine this turning into a complete time and possibly money sink as I am cack-handed when it comes to soldering!

[bueller]

I've tried brown & black springs along with the 62g koreans that I'm using now and the 62's are by far my favourite. The browns didn't stick but I felt like they took a bit longer to get past the clear bump, blacks I didn't like at all as they were too heavy.

[Oobly]

I've tried brown & black springs along with the 62g koreans that I'm using now and the 62's are by far my favourite. The browns didn't stick but I felt like they took a bit longer to get past the clear bump, blacks I didn't like at all as they were too heavy.

I agree with you on Black springs being to heavy. I don't really get the appeal of either Panda Clears (Clears with Black springs) or Ghost Blacks (Blacks with Clear springs). I find both too heavy and found 62g springs to feel the best with either stems. IMHO, Cherry light springs are too light and their heavy springs are too heavy.