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Offline Jhexp

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Advice on switches
« on: Sat, 10 January 2015, 02:19:33 »
Hello, I've been lurking for a while here and decided to join. I'm in the market for a backlit keyboard. I have been using a steelseries  6gv2 with black switches for a number of years and I do like the switches but I'd also like one with a bump.  It'll be primarily for heavy gaming.

I've been looking at Ducky keyboards, a local store here in Melbourne carry them. I don't care about lighting patterns , macro buttons etc, I just want a basic well built keyboard that's backlit even possibly a TKL board. Any suggestions on what switches to check out or even other brands?

Thanks.

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 10 January 2015, 02:56:04 »

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 10 January 2015, 02:59:07 »
Do you mind if the switch clicks, or must it be silent? Are you looking for about the same stiffness as MX Black switches, or would you mind something a bit stiffer? Cherry Greens are tactile, clicky & keyboards using them are not too hard to find at the moment.

Buckling spring keyboards are very tactile & clicky (some would call it noisy) but I don't have any idea how much it would cost to have a Unicomp keyboard shipped to OZ.
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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 10 January 2015, 03:25:14 »
Welcome to Geekhack!

So you have blacks, but want something with a bit more feedback.

Greens are clicky, but not very common in Australia.

Clears are tactile, but not clicky.  They are even rarer.

PCCG is going to sell a Ducky Shine 4 with MX greens, but only full size.  Their range has actually dropped considerably in the last year or so.

Another alternative is to get one from overseas.  My KeyCool 87 with MX reds I got from qtan in China, very reasonable shipping cost.

My QFS with MX greens I bought via classifieds from the US, IIRC it cost something around $35 to ship, although that was before the USPS price rises about a year ago.
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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 10 January 2015, 04:58:32 »
Thanks for the replies. With regards to Razor I've owned 2 of their products years ago, not Keyboards and they both died within a year so I'm staying away from them. Tactile, I would like the stiffness or even a bit more than the blacks but I want to have that bump aswell. Noise doesn't bother me, I like it :D

Rowdy, yes PCCG doesn't have the selection they did a while back. I don't like the look of the Ducky 4 so I'm avoiding it. I Googled the Keycool 87 and found some here : http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=395, they're nice looking keyboards, first I've heard of them though.

How are Kalih switches? I've never used them. I also found some TKL Ducky Shine's at a store in Singapore, Xtreme Solutions, they have Shine 3 TKL for just under $200 shipped here. They have Green switches, which is what I'm leaning towards but they're $50 more than the others....

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 10 January 2015, 08:56:18 »
Well if you want tactiles that are heavier than blacks, tactile greys would what you'd be looking for, though I don't think any stock boards come with them
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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 10 January 2015, 09:37:33 »
Thanks for the replies. With regards to Razor I've owned 2 of their products years ago, not Keyboards and they both died within a year so I'm staying away from them. Tactile, I would like the stiffness or even a bit more than the blacks but I want to have that bump aswell. Noise doesn't bother me, I like it :D

Sounds like you want stock clears or even stock greys (rare to find in non-custom board).

I would strongly recommend you stay away MX clicky switches for gaming (unless its just LoL or other low APM games) as they suffer from Hysteresis

If you want backlit (no purpose IMO), get a Ducky.  Otherwise, KUL will do the job.  And they come in clears.

Here is a quick macro test I did that shows some common stock switches (plan to update with my Gray/green/white/red switches)

Buckling Spring boards are kings of click, but Model Ms are 2KRO.  SSK are 6kro I believe.

For gaming, I would go with this: http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-blackwidow-tournament-edition

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 10 January 2015, 15:49:38 »
The only way to really find out what you like best is to try different switches. Some stores allow you try before you buy.
Razer's packaging also has a window where you can test the switches. The "BlackWidow Stealth" switch feels much like Cherry MX Brown and the clicky switch they use feel a lot like Cherry MX Blue.

SSK are 6kro I believe.
Oh no, the Model M in tenkeyless layout (Space Saving Keyboard) is still a Model M: it has 2-KRO. The 2 number is max number of arbitrary keys, I.e. the worst case key combination. Many combos of more than two keys work, but I dunno about the WASD cluster.

The predecessor to the IBM Model M was the Model F series. Those are also buckling spring but are capacitative inside instead of having membranes, so they have n-key rollover over PS/2 (actually AT) and (usually) 6-key rollover with a store-bought PS/2-to-USB adapter. Check out Soarer's adapter firmware on this forum on how to make an adapter that supports n-key rollover over USB.
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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 11 January 2015, 07:11:23 »
This board: http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/code-keyboard/code-87-key-mechanical-keyboard.html

WASD Code TKL with Clears. Backlit and good quality.

I'd stay away from Greens for gaming due to their hysteresis. Also, they are not as tactile as Clears.

I like the large tactile bump of Clears for both typing and gaming. For FPS you can use the bump as a "backstop" on the upstroke and reference point for where the switch actuates.

Ducky Zero Shine could also be an option, but I don't think they make one with Clears.

KUL ES-87 is a great board, too. Top notch build quality and comes with Clears, but no backlighting.
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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 12 January 2015, 01:03:12 »
Thanks for the advice guys. That WASD Keyboard has piqued my interest. :thumb:

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 12 January 2015, 01:06:47 »
WASD are a great choice, would also recommend those. Clears sound perfect, they aren't really much heavier than blacks though, but the tactile bump will make them feel a little bit more so.
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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 12 January 2015, 02:42:45 »
There is no perfect switch for everyone. That's why some of us become collectors.
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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 13 January 2015, 19:26:18 »
So I've spent quite a bit of time looking up different Keyboards, switches etc. I was interested in the HHBK kb but it defeats the purpose as theres no backlighting. I do really love the look of the Ducky YOTH, I know a lot of people dislike it but I like it :)  My only turn off with it is the placement of the cable, I can get one of those with either Red, Brown or Blue switches. I also found the Yellow TKL Ducky's but I suspect I'll have problems with the print on the keys. The Code is still on the list but I need to stop procrastinating and just buy one!

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 13 January 2015, 21:46:34 »
No matter where you start, all paths lead ultimately to Topre. Whether you choose to walk down the path to its conclusion, jump right to the end, or start walking and give up halfway is up to you.
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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 13 January 2015, 22:14:42 »
No matter where you start, all paths lead ultimately to Topre. Whether you choose to walk down the path to its conclusion, jump right to the end, or start walking and give up halfway is up to you.

Hmmm, one concern with the HHKB is that I think I'll struggle with the Black letters ( I do not want the White version) Are they hard to see on the black?

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 01:36:43 »
No matter where you start, all paths lead ultimately to Topre. Whether you choose to walk down the path to its conclusion, jump right to the end, or start walking and give up halfway is up to you.

Let me fix that for you: No matter where I started, all paths led me ultimately to Topre.

Switch choice and preference is a (very) personal thing. Not everyone likes Topre. I'm one of those that don't, and frankly I'm getting tired of the stuck record fanboi's who keep spouting "just get Topre" without any real justification, personal experience or accurate description of the switches. I may as well start yelling "JUST GET MX CLEARS" in every thread and make things twice as confusing for the person posing the question who's looking for information to base their switch choice on.

Topre is not for everyone. It's a nice feeling switch type for some, but expensive, very limited in terms of modding, not backlit compatible and there are practically no aftermarket keycap sets for them. Keyboard layouts are fixed and there are no Topre boards with programmable features. It's a monopoly product with only one manufacturer making the rubber sheets, springs and PCBs.

MX Browns have a tactile bump like Clears, but the bump is much smaller and they are much lighter than Blacks, they have the same spring as Reds and Blues.

Clears have springs that start out a hair lighter than Blacks, but have a steeper force curve, getting stronger towards the end of the stroke, especially after the actuation point. If you are used to Blacks and are looking for a switch with a tactile bump, Clears should suit you very well.

I like slightly lighter switches, but find Browns a bit too light and not quite as tactile as I'd like. So I use Clears with 62g Korean springs.
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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 03:08:14 »
Have you ever looked into buying a keyswitch tester? I did do that about 3 months before I bought a keyboard, and every day I would make time to try and click every single one over 25 times.(100 total clicks between all the switches) I would record myself, doing this with my phones camera, and I would close my eyes and try to guess the switch. I'd try to trick my future self. Soon, I became a pro at figuring it out. Even could guess between the reds and the blacks quite consistently (although obviously that can be a little tough)

As I grew closer and closer to the switches, I knew there was only one choice. It was the switch that I was excited to hear. But to delve into that region of my brain, now that wasn't an easy task.

I started waking up, and clicking more keys. At this point, I had purchased 2 more keyswitch testers in order to put them around my house. One on the dash, one on my desk, and one under the dining room table. I was averaging roughly 100-200 clicks per switch a day at this point.

Fast forward about 50 days.

I started to break those damn testers with my knife. I would find every single one of them, and rip off the mx black with anger and hatred. It brought me so much joy to see the little spring shoot out of it, and I had over 30 of these testers taped to various parts of my walls and counters. Things like my coffee maker and my cars dashboard were no match for my anger. My blood boiled as I smacked each switch. Like crack I wanted to just hit every switch until I wanted to throw up. there was a little bit of pleasure in every click, right before you bottom out. I wanted every drop of that sweetness. I did everything I could to get it.

I found myself in my room at night, with a pile of keycaps, soaked in urine and blood. My knife lay in my palm, guilty of doling out all the anger I had built in myself. The one key that went before all the others made me feel pathetic. it was stubborn, unwilling and emotionless. I fought it with all my might. Ironically, it was soaked with my crimson blood.

Red. Unlike the previous keycap, this seemed comfortable laying in my blood. We all know, it always had. it was so forgiving, it gave not a damn about whether or not you slapped her, or lightly caressed. It always did as it was told. Without a word. Not a statement. Never approving or disapproving you. It simply just obliged silently. I could not stand. It was slain with blithe. Why were you so cold and easy?

Thirdly, I lain my blade on the loud. Constant approval it gave. Never any constructiveness, just angry, psychotic approval. Like a dog, it gave its attention and affection only to be stroked, never angered or upset by your actions. Though never could I make it whimper or upset, she just laughed and smiled. Methodically. I didn't want love to be given to me, I wanted to fight to keep it, I wanted to steal it away.

my love was to be shared. I wanted to find her to be curious, happy, and to explore each others hearts.

Three gorgeous women destroyed me, and one was left to heal me.

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Re: Advice on switches
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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 06:18:19 »
In response to Oobly's long post, I know a few people who bought an HHKB to "skip to endgame" and felt scammed.  They are ridiculously overpriced for what you're getting.  Not a bad board, but far from "the best."

I prefer MX over Topre myself (though I prefer ALPS over MX)

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 16:02:40 »
No matter where you start, all paths lead ultimately to Topre. Whether you choose to walk down the path to its conclusion, jump right to the end, or start walking and give up halfway is up to you.

Let me fix that for you: No matter where I started, all paths led me ultimately to Topre.

Switch choice and preference is a (very) personal thing. Not everyone likes Topre. I'm one of those that don't, and frankly I'm getting tired of the stuck record fanboi's who keep spouting "just get Topre" without any real justification, personal experience or accurate description of the switches. I may as well start yelling "JUST GET MX CLEARS" in every thread and make things twice as confusing for the person posing the question who's looking for information to base their switch choice on.

Topre is not for everyone. It's a nice feeling switch type for some, but expensive, very limited in terms of modding, not backlit compatible and there are practically no aftermarket keycap sets for them. Keyboard layouts are fixed and there are no Topre boards with programmable features. It's a monopoly product with only one manufacturer making the rubber sheets, springs and PCBs.

MX Browns have a tactile bump like Clears, but the bump is much smaller and they are much lighter than Blacks, they have the same spring as Reds and Blues.

Clears have springs that start out a hair lighter than Blacks, but have a steeper force curve, getting stronger towards the end of the stroke, especially after the actuation point. If you are used to Blacks and are looking for a switch with a tactile bump, Clears should suit you very well.

I like slightly lighter switches, but find Browns a bit too light and not quite as tactile as I'd like. So I use Clears with 62g Korean springs.

Of course it's entirely subjective and personal and of course I'm massively overstating the facts. I pity whoever would take an opinion stated in the way I stated it as anything other than at best a single data point to consider. Preferably one should ignore it entirely.

That said, it's unfair to accuse me of not having tried many switches. I have obviously far less experience than many of the people here but calling it "none" is inaccurate. My first board was a Cherry MX Blue Darkwidow 2013 (which I swear I bought in 2012, but my memory is apparently my memory is apparently my me). Despite what I can now recognize as downright godawful keycaps, the jump from cheap dome over membrane boards was so massive that I loved the board nonetheless. OP, whatever you pick you'll probably like it more than what you're using now. It may not prove to be your favourite in the long run, in fact you may one day, as I have, grow to very much dislike that first board, but the honeymoon will be long and sweet.

I've now had my hand at a few different switches. The aforementioned MX blues were nice, but the click is high pitched and the hysteresis is glaring once you've used other switches for a while. I imagine they might be nicer with better keycaps, but I honestly can't say. I decided I liked clickey switches and so had to look elsewhere than Cherry for new options. I got a Model M; I got a Model F; I tried SMK blue alps; I tried proper complicated white Alps. I even had my hand at non-clickey orange and black Alps. All of these were nice to use. All were a bit better than Cherry blue. All have their strengths and weaknesses (mainly with Alps boards the weaknesses are that the keyboards are cheap feeling). I was surprised how much I liked the non-clickey ones; apparently the click doesn't really make much difference. Knowing this I decided to go down to the local computer store and give some Cherry browns a try (I am flat out of money to actually buy any). Meh. Cherry has a different idea of tactile than Alps did. If you go Cherry go blue or go home. Cherry aside, I think this is a decent sample size.

All of them pale beside Topre.

I didn't think that the hype could actually be true. It almost never is. I usually roll my eyes at the sort of fanboyesqye hype that surrounds Topre. But when I got my HHKB, plugged it in, started typing on it... with the one exception that the lack of rubber feet on the front makes it kind of slide around on my terrible desk, it is perfect. It's just the right kind of subtle. It feels like it wants you to type on it; it feels like it just pulls your fingers in and gives them a hug. It's bizarre. I imagine it has to do with the tactile point being high up and then there being essentially no resistance below it, given that after the dome collapses it does not contact with anything and there is nothing else that could offer resistance, unlike any ordinary mechanical switch which all have a spring to offer resistance in addition to their various schemes for tactility). Regardless of the actual explanation Topre somehow managed to, for me, more or less live up to its hype.

I've written a bit too much already, so I'll just cut myself off. I've written literally 28000 words in comments before before catching myself. I can really drone on. Point is that maybe there's wisdom in not going straight to Topre. Maybe Topre really shines in comparison to other, less subtle switches. Maybe it stands out to me as some kind of symbol of moderation. Maybe my brain don't work no good. Maybe you should just pick whatever you think you might fancy for the lowest price you can and see how you like it. Maybe get a switch tester (though I would say they have limited usefulness; a switch can feel very meh on its own but become blissful to type on when you have a whole keyboard of them - Topre is an example of this). Maybe get an old Alps keyboard. Maybe get Model M. Maybe get one of those NIB Dell AT101W keyboards from eBay (many seem to dislike this switch but I quite like it, it's amazingly tactile for a non clickey switch). Maybe go straight to Topre. Maybe spend all your money on cheese. Just don't let idiots like me tell you what to do. Use the information you find to help you make an informed decision, but make sure that decision is your own.
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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 15 January 2015, 03:10:28 »
I'm heading over to PCCG tomorrow and I think I'm going to take a punt on the Ducky YOTH keyboard. I know some people dislike the look of it but I quite like it. I've decided I don't want Red switches so I'm going to give the Blues a go. The HHKB was just going to cost too much with the Australian dollar being weak at the moment plus shipping and I do want backlighting. I shouldn't have joined this place as I'm obssessing about modifying keyboards now.  :D

 Thanks for all the help everyone.

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Advice on switches
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 16 January 2015, 04:17:58 »
Got the YOTH with blue switches today. I'm very happy with the blues, lovely to type on and I'm enjoying them equally whilst gaming. The keyboard itself is nice and heavy and I love the feel of the aluminium.

My only gripes are the cable is short, I'll get an extension and the plastic cover that came with it was moulded with a big enter key,  not a big deal really but it's my OCD coming out.  Using the fn key hasn't been a problem at all.

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 16 January 2015, 06:56:53 »
Got the YOTH with blue switches today. I'm very happy with the blues, lovely to type on and I'm enjoying them equally whilst gaming. The keyboard itself is nice and heavy and I love the feel of the aluminium.

My only gripes are the cable is short, I'll get an extension and the plastic cover that came with it was moulded with a big enter key,  not a big deal really but it's my OCD coming out.  Using the fn key hasn't been a problem at all.

As long as you're happy that's good enough.

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 16 January 2015, 16:25:13 »
So after using the keyboard for a few hours last night I noticed that the W key, when bottomed out doesn't have the same clank as all the others. I pulled the keycap off and everything looks normal. It's kind of bothering me. Anyone know why this is the case? It has the same bump but not the same sound or feel when bottoming out. Also looking at it from an angle the W and Q keys seems to be a hair lower than the other keys near them. I don't know if this is normal, I've never bothered to check this.

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 16 January 2015, 17:50:26 »
That sounds like something you may want to take up with customer service at whoever sold you the board. I couldn't say for sure but that sounds like a defect to me.
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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 16 January 2015, 20:36:12 »
So after using the keyboard for a few hours last night I noticed that the W key, when bottomed out doesn't have the same clank as all the others. I pulled the keycap off and everything looks normal. It's kind of bothering me. Anyone know why this is the case? It has the same bump but not the same sound or feel when bottoming out. Also looking at it from an angle the W and Q keys seems to be a hair lower than the other keys near them. I don't know if this is normal, I've never bothered to check this.

The bottom out sound, or the clicky sound?

Clicky sound differences might be due to a slight variation in the switch.  You could try hitting the switch a few thousand times to "wear it in" and see if it improves.

Bottoming out sound might be due to a switch not seated correctly, which would be a manufacturing defect.

Switches a hair lower might be the other keycaps not quite pushed on all the way - unless it is significant or very noticable when typing, I'd let the keycaps bed in for a while.
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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 16 January 2015, 21:12:03 »
It's the bottoming out sound, there's basically no sound at all. The clicky sound is there. I think I'll just go back there Monday and exchange it for another one.

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 16 January 2015, 21:32:33 »
It's the bottoming out sound, there's basically no sound at all. The clicky sound is there. I think I'll just go back there Monday and exchange it for another one.

Odd.

At least it sounds as if you are close enough to make a return easy.  I used to live about 20 minutes from PCCG :p

Let us know what happens :)
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: Advice on switches
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 18 January 2015, 21:39:46 »
All good in the end, got a new keyboard and no problems with any of the keys. Also got my keychain, it wasn't in the first one I bought.  :confused: