Author Topic: Industrial SSK @ $100 (Read 10971 times)

intelli78 · « **on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 12:49:12 »

Or at least what appears to be one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Model-M-Space-Saving-Keyboard-SSK-ID5000133-41G3613-/261742103850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf10b8d2a&afsrc=1&rmvSB=true

Here I tried to correct the white balance:

~~looks like a sketchy paint job and deliberately bad photo~~

Dihedral · « **Reply #1 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 12:52:09 »

Quote from: intelli78 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 12:49:12

Or at least what appears to be one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Model-M-Space-Saving-Keyboard-SSK-ID5000133-41G3613-/261742103850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf10b8d2a&afsrc=1&rmvSB=true

Here I tried to correct the white balance:

Show Image

Nice find... interesting to see how much this goes for

Snowdog993 · « **Reply #2 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 13:43:19 »

It's painted. (badly) Ugh.

intelli78 · « **Reply #3 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 13:44:58 »

Quote from: Snowdog993 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 13:43:19

It's painted. (badly) Ugh.

Hmm - you could be right. Looking at the bottom pic on ebay, seems there are some fibers that appear to be trapped under paint.

Dihedral · « **Reply #4 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 13:55:36 »

Quote from: intelli78 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 13:44:58

Quote from: Snowdog993 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 13:43:19
It's painted. (badly) Ugh.

Hmm - you could be right. Looking at the bottom pic on ebay, seems there are some fibers that appear to be trapped under paint.

An SSK's an SSK. Sand down and re-coat?

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #5 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 13:56:46 »

Quote from: Dihedral on Tue, 20 January 2015, 13:55:36

Quote from: intelli78 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 13:44:58
Quote from: Snowdog993 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 13:43:19
It's painted. (badly) Ugh.

Hmm - you could be right. Looking at the bottom pic on ebay, seems there are some fibers that appear to be trapped under paint.

An SSK's an SSK. Sand down and re-coat?

Your are missing the point. IF it was an industrial ssk it wouldn't just be an ssk.

smknjoe · « **Reply #6 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 14:06:28 »

Bummer. It's ruined.

...and is that a used rubber in the top right corner of the picture?!?

Touch_It · « **Reply #7 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 14:25:15 »

Quote from: smknjoe on Tue, 20 January 2015, 14:06:28

Bummer. It's ruined.

...and is that a used rubber in the top right corner of the picture?!?

Ruined is a relative term. While I agree that as far as originality goes, yeah it is a goner. However as far as functionality goes it is probably fine. If I were in the market for an SSK I would be happy to have this assuming it stays around the 100-125 range. However Cindy certainly spoils us with prices.

smknjoe · « **Reply #8 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 14:30:56 »

The seller is full of ****. He bought it NIB and it's barely used, but he neglects to mention the ****ty paint job. Red flag city. $20-$40 tops is all I'd pay for it. ......stored in a closet for years...and the keycaps are two piece when they should be one piece...

intelli78 · « **Reply #9 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 14:34:10 »

Quote from: smknjoe on Tue, 20 January 2015, 14:30:56

The seller is full of ****. He bought it NIB and it's barely used, but he neglects to mention the ****ty paint job. Red flag city. $20-$40 tops is all I'd pay for it.

Yea I'm thinking it's a deliberate attempt to confuse people into thinking it's an industrial.

smknjoe · « **Reply #10 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 14:36:06 »

^^^Bingo. They saw the other Industrial priced at $999.

Dihedral · « **Reply #11 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 14:51:14 »

Quote from: smknjoe on Tue, 20 January 2015, 14:36:06

^^^Bingo. They saw the other Industrial priced at $999.

Amazed they didn't paint a few caps blue as well

smknjoe · « **Reply #12 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 15:09:38 »

I'm no SSK expert, but they did have some with two piece keycaps and some without blue keycaps as well if I'm not mistaken. There are different model #'s for different versions.

If the seller had explained the paint job in the description - the listing would be much less suspicious.

fanpeople · « **Reply #13 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 17:32:39 »

From: npr_listener
To:
Subject: Re: Details about the item: npr_listener sent a message about IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard SSK ID5000133 41G3613 #261742103850
Sent Date: 21-Jan-15 10:30:24 AEDST

Dear

Nope, it's the factory darkish-grey finish.

- npr_listener

From:
To: npr_listener
Subject: Details about item: sent a message about IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard SSK ID5000133 41G3613 #261742103850
Sent Date: 21-Jan-15 10:27:42 AEDST

Dear npr_listener,

Did you paint this? I think you should mention that in the description just to avoid someone having issues with what they receive in case they don't notice.

well........... now it is officially a scam?

0100010 · « **Reply #14 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 18:33:15 »

Part number is correct for an industrial SSK.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54340.0

fohat.digs · « **Reply #15 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 18:56:46 »

So why does it look so hideous, gritty, and mottled?

intelli78 · « **Reply #16 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:10:38 »

fanpeople · « **Reply #17 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:19:37 »

Quote from: 0100010 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 18:33:15

Part number is correct for an industrial SSK.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54340.0

Interesting isn't it. The top just looks horrid though. Is it possible that the bottom is legitimate but the top is off a normal SSK. Like a frankenboard.

Or could it just be dirty and bad photo?

Computer-Lab in Basement · « **Reply #18 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:21:46 »

Quote from: fanpeople on Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:19:37

Quote from: 0100010 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 18:33:15
Part number is correct for an industrial SSK.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54340.0

Interesting isn't it. The top just looks horrid though. Is it possible that the bottom is legitimate but the top is off a normal SSK. Like a frankenboard.

Quite possible... but why would anyone do that to an industrial SSK?

Computer-Lab in Basement · « **Reply #19 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:21:53 »

Quote from: fanpeople on Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:19:37

Quote from: 0100010 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 18:33:15
Part number is correct for an industrial SSK.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54340.0

Interesting isn't it. The top just looks horrid though. Is it possible that the bottom is legitimate but the top is off a normal SSK. Like a frankenboard.

Quite possible... but why would anyone do that to an industrial SSK?
Edit: dammit tapatalk... y u double post?

FrostyToast · « **Reply #20 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:21:58 »

Quote from: fanpeople on Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:19:37

Quote from: 0100010 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 18:33:15
Part number is correct for an industrial SSK.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54340.0

Interesting isn't it. The top just looks horrid though. Is it possible that the bottom is legitimate but the top is off a normal SSK. Like a frankenboard.

The bottom looks painted over as well.
There are a bunch of visible imperfections...

DrHubblePhD · « **Reply #21 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:22:59 »

I thought the industrial models had a more textured surface, this seems almost flat...

Zeal · « **Reply #22 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:24:22 »

Before:

After:

Does this look better? 5mins touch up.

Looks like it's covered in a layer of dust.
Back label doesn't look like imperfect paint. Just long dust / pet hair strands?

fanpeople · « **Reply #23 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:25:38 »

Do you reckon I should ask the seller for some more photos? Maybe wipe the board with a cloth?

slip84 · « **Reply #24 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:34:28 »

Did some more cleanup. You're welcome.

Computer-Lab in Basement · « **Reply #25 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:35:27 »

Quote from: slip84 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 19:34:28

Did some more cleanup. You're welcome.

Show Image

hehehe

Snowdog993 · « **Reply #26 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:11:20 »

It might be just a crappy picture. But I still think it is painted over. Why? I don't know. Only the seller knows apparently.

But then again, I looked at the listing with the new picture, and the color is better. I'm still not convinced. Maybe he lost the keys or replaced them. You never know what can happen in 20+ years. If he is the original owner, he should know more than he does.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #27 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:18:15 »

Seller seems legit per an ebay message I received and he has seen this thread, I told him you guys were a bunch of nut bags.

fanpeople · « **Reply #28 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:19:18 »

Oh snap

He added another photo, I think I want it now.......

Computer-Lab in Basement · « **Reply #29 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:20:27 »

seems legit enough...

rack up those bids ppl...

Zeal · « **Reply #30 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:21:06 »

gg. Let the bid war begin.

Snowdog993 · « **Reply #31 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:22:43 »

At least I am nuts. It does look good in the new picture.
I'll show you a painted bezel.

FrostyToast · « **Reply #32 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:26:57 »

Wow. That's a really nice paint job.
Still fake.
Yup.
Definitely fake.
I say about tree fiddy.
If a guy possibly named FrostyToast bids higher than that, the dude is a fsking moron.

Whew, got 'em good Frosty.

IKR other Frosty, they won't realise that I'm joking. Fsking nerds aren't even going to look again.

Yeah I know Frosty. Now what's this worth? 10,000 bucks?

Yeah we'll go with that. Go for it, pal.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #33 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:32:58 »

Funny story....hope he doesn't mine me sharing....he had another one that he threw away because it got dirty.

Zeal · « **Reply #34 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:33:58 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:32:58

Funny story....hope he doesn't mine me sharing....he had another one that he threw away because it got dirty.

rip

Snowdog993 · « **Reply #35 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:36:25 »

Those first pictures had me convinced that it was painted. That's a given.

fanpeople · « **Reply #36 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:36:44 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:32:58

Funny story....hope he doesn't mine me sharing....he had another one that he threw away because it got dirty.

I hate him, ask him where his local rubbish dump is? I will tell the police that it is evidence in a case of crazy and they will find it for me?

jwaz · « **Reply #37 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 22:33:40 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:32:58

Funny story....hope he doesn't mine me sharing....he had another one that he threw away because it got dirty.

He will be kicking himself so hard when the bidding concludes on this one

)

rowdy · « **Reply #38 on:** Tue, 20 January 2015, 22:50:45 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Tue, 20 January 2015, 21:32:58

Funny story....hope he doesn't mine me sharing....he had another one that he threw away because it got dirty.

People throw them away, shred them, just send them all to me instead! I'll even pay postage!

smknjoe · « **Reply #39 on:** Wed, 21 January 2015, 07:07:08 »

The new pic looks like a completely different and legit board. I wonder what those spots were on it? Rat piss?

Snowdog, I'm with you man. Those first pics were really bad. I'm convinced it's real now, but I'm still not sure it was well taken care of considering the before and after pics. Good luck to whoever get's it.

smknjoe · « **Reply #40 on:** Wed, 21 January 2015, 07:19:06 »

The more I look at the before and after pics the more I see that it was a ****load of dust on the before pics. The dark spots are where the dust has been rubbed off from handling it. Someone ask him to take another pic of the back now that it's all cleaned up.

Ellipse · « **Reply #41 on:** Wed, 21 January 2015, 09:05:36 »

The seller updated his listing with a note as well. Seems like he was using iPhone photo filters that distorted the original images. It looks to be in great shape and a "real" I SSK despite not having the IBM logo on top.

jdcarpe · « **Reply #42 on:** Wed, 21 January 2015, 09:09:02 »

Quote from: Ellipse on Wed, 21 January 2015, 09:05:36

The seller updated his listing with a note as well. Seems like he was using iPhone photo filters that distorted the original images. It looks to be in great shape and a "real" I SSK despite not having the IBM logo on top.

I still wouldn't touch it, even at $100.

Snowdog993 · « **Reply #43 on:** Wed, 21 January 2015, 10:13:52 »

Quote from: jdcarpe on Wed, 21 January 2015, 09:09:02

I still wouldn't touch it, even at $100.

I wouldn't either. The model number of the keyboard is for an IBM Personal Systems 2 Space Saver Keyboard. It does look exactly like one from that. I don't see where the "industrial" portion of it falls into place at all. I will pass.

Edit: Specifically standard SSK.

Ellipse · « **Reply #44 on:** Wed, 21 January 2015, 12:47:19 »

The model number 41G3613 is a variation of 41G3600 which is the more common industrial SSK part number. Google it and you can see examples. This one up for auction is not a mod or a "regular" SSK. It should fetch $800 to $1000 without the logo.

IBM/Lexmark issued many part numbers for parts with virtually no variation so this is not out of the ordinary.

Snowdog993 · « **Reply #45 on:** Wed, 21 January 2015, 13:00:32 »

Good luck however you feel about it. I told you what I discovered. Take it or leave it.

intelli78 · « **Reply #46 on:** Wed, 21 January 2015, 13:01:52 »

Quote from: Snowdog993 on Wed, 21 January 2015, 13:00:32

Good luck however you feel about it. I told you what I discovered. Take it or leave it.

Maybe you should explain the source of your information...

Snowdog993 · « **Reply #47 on:** Wed, 21 January 2015, 13:11:16 »

Okay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Personal-System-2-Space-Saving-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-PS-2-New-in-Box-/131110156558?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item1e86c6390e&afsrc=1&rmvSB=true

That one sold for 2 grand, and it was for the IBM PS/2.

IBM Personal System 2 Space Saving Keyboard Model M Clicky PS/2 New in Box

You are bidding on a vintage IBM Model M Space Saving Personal System 2 Keyboard. It is brand new and has never been used. The box was only opened to inspect and verify the contents. The PS/2 interface cord is still sealed and wrapped. If you are looking at this you know how rare it is and how often these come along. Please ask all questions before bidding. It comes with box and foam as well. Item has all feet and the elevators are in perfect working condition. The shipping will be fully insured to your street address. Thanks for looking and happy bidding. Serious bidders only please.

Part Number: 41G3613

Date: 11-03-92

smknjoe · « **Reply #48 on:** Wed, 21 January 2015, 13:14:38 »

That was an Industrial SSK that sold.

intelli78 · « **Reply #49 on:** Wed, 21 January 2015, 13:14:42 »

Ah, but that auction was for an industrial board. The pics are gone now, but we had a big discussion about it on GH. That's exactly why it went for $2k.

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Author Topic: Industrial SSK @ $100 (Read 10971 times)