Does a small right shift mess you up?

[Novus]

Does having one of those smaller right side shift buttons mess you up when typing?
I'm talking about the layouts where they reduce the size of the shift to accommodate the arrow keys - usually the layout you get on the 84 style compact keyboards.




I just can't get used to it 

[HoffmanMyster]

I bet you could take that key away entirely and I wouldn't notice for weeks.

So no. 

[Flyersfan1]

I don't think I've ever used right shift, so like Hoff, it wouldn't mess me up.

[Sent]

All my boards have short right shift and I barely ever use it so...nope.  Doesn't mess me up, at all.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

Small left shift annoyed me a bit at first when I was getting used to ISO, but I don't really notice much anymore, and switch between ANSI and ISO regularly without issue...

Right shift? What's a "right shift"?

[MGH]

I never use the right shift

[Findecanor]

I mistype just after having swapped keyboards with different layouts. Then I get used to it. And then I mistype the next time I swap keyboards. And so on ...

[Nai_Calus]

I don't think I've ever used the right shift key, so I wouldn't even notice if the board completely failed to have one.

In fact this post made me go press it a few times just so it wouldn't feel so lonely. It and right windows, menu, and right control are used about as much as pause and scroll lock by me, i.e. not at all.

Poor unloved right shift. (I occasionally use US International if I feel the need to üsé á iöt óf äccented characters, so once in a great while I do use right alt as altgr, but otherwise, the lower right corner of my keyboard doesn't exist.)

[hwood34]

I never use the right shift

+1

[noisyturtle]

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

hey, it's in the keyboards sub... which means posts count )

[noisyturtle]

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

hey, it's in the keyboards sub... which means posts count )

Oh

[noisyturtle]

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

hey, it's in the keyboards sub... which means posts count )

****!

[noisyturtle]

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

hey, it's in the keyboards sub... which means posts count )

My

[noisyturtle]

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

hey, it's in the keyboards sub... which means posts count )

posts

[noisyturtle]

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

hey, it's in the keyboards sub... which means posts count )

count?

[Tyrosh22]

I guess it would **** me up, as I do use the right shift key...

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

hey, it's in the keyboards sub... which means posts count )

count?

indeed they do

[demik]

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

hey, it's in the keyboards sub... which means posts count )

Oh

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

hey, it's in the keyboards sub... which means posts count )

****!

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

hey, it's in the keyboards sub... which means posts count )

My

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

hey, it's in the keyboards sub... which means posts count )

posts

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

hey, it's in the keyboards sub... which means posts count )

count?

this is why i need to get off post reporting time out.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

this is why i need to get off post reporting time out.

what is that anyways? i've been wondering but never thought to ask anyone...

[noisyturtle]

this is why i need to get off post reporting time out.

snitch

[demik]

this is why i need to get off post reporting time out.

what is that anyways? i've been wondering but never thought to ask anyone...

exactly what it sounds like

this is why i need to get off post reporting time out.

snitch

i get warned/banned for minimal **** compared to your spamming, so i want the mods to do their job right.

[Lain1911]

Never use +1

[naasfu]

TIL I only use right shift for typing, and left shift only for WoW. 

[slickmamba]

so many never users.... I use both, but it never bothers me on the hhkb. 

[noisyturtle]

TIL I only use right shift for typing, and left shift only for WoW. 

Same. Lshift is for gaming - Rshift is for typing

[swathe]

I think every right shift on any keyboard I've ever owned has probably never been used lol

[naasfu]

TIL I only use right shift for typing, and left shift only for WoW. 

Same. Lshift is for gaming - Rshift is for typing

right on, my kindred noisy brother.

[Snowdog993]

Do you type or do you game?  I tend to use both shift keys when I am typing.  I do find that having the right shift key in the right place is okay, it's just the other keys that shouldn't be there that are.  I never liked the small left shift key at all. 
Any time there is a key in a place it shouldn't be will be a mess.  Non-standard layouts are always going to do that to you until you get used to them.  So yes I do use the right shift and if it were in a different row or out of place, I would be stumbling on it too.

[exitfire401]

i get warned/banned for minimal **** compared to your spamming, so i want the mods to do their job right.

Considering your last ban/mute of any sort was your big one, I don't feel like that's the case.

On topic, not at all. I think I've used the right shift on both my race 2 and hhkb once.

[Novus]

So the1onewolf threads are basically tp4 threads that actually talk about keyboards?

But basically tp4 threads... not that there's anything wrong with that.

Rude.
First of all, the quality of my threads are consistent with the rest of this forum.
Second of all, I don't use those onion, leeks and smiley faces.
Third, okay yea fine you're basically right.

Do you type or do you game?  I tend to use both shift keys when I am typing.  I do find that having the right shift key in the right place is okay, it's just the other keys that shouldn't be there that are.  I never liked the small left shift key at all. 
Any time there is a key in a place it shouldn't be will be a mess.  Non-standard layouts are always going to do that to you until you get used to them.  Sp yes I do use the right shift and if it were in a different row or out of place, I would be stumbling on it too.

I touch type, so that's part of my difficulty because I'll just fumble the shift key and hit the arrow.
The "right" way to type or at least the way you're taught is to use both shift keys. You use the opposite hand to hit the shift key for whatever letter your other hand is hitting to capitalize it.

[Novus]

i get warned/banned for minimal **** compared to your spamming, so i want the mods to do their job right.

Considering your last ban/mute of any sort was your big one, I don't feel like that's the case.

On topic, not at all. I think I've used the right shift on both my race 2 and hhkb once.

Well you just saw noistyturtle purposely spam.
Did you give him a warning?

You guys do have a big issue with enforcing your mutes and bans unilaterally though. You rely too much on reports because our posts can quite annoying at times but you don't enforce the rules when you see them being broken in front of you.
You're also the one that used your mod abilities to get on a clack list, so you really don't have much integrity.

[Dee1]

I use the right shift key about 90% of the time. The smaller size for it on compact layouts does not bother me at all.

[demik]

i get warned/banned for minimal **** compared to your spamming, so i want the mods to do their job right.

Considering your last ban/mute of any sort was your big one, I don't feel like that's the case.

On topic, not at all. I think I've used the right shift on both my race 2 and hhkb once.

Well you just saw noistyturtle purposely spam.
Did you give him a warning?

You guys do have a big issue with enforcing your mutes and bans unilaterally though. You rely too much on reports because our posts can quite annoying at times but you don't enforce the rules when you see them being broken in front of you.
You're also the one that used your mod abilities to get on a clack list, so you really don't have much integrity.

ofc they won't warn. especially now that you've brought it up that they haven't warned him. they don't like being told what to do, but are fine with editing and deleting your posts if they see fit.

woman in a bikini? edited. hitler avy? no biggie. (sorry pho, nothing against you)

[Snowdog993]

I touch type, so that's part of my difficulty because I'll just fumble the shift key and hit the arrow.
The "right" way to type or at least the way you're taught is to use both shift keys. You use the opposite hand to hit the shift key for whatever letter your other hand is hitting to capitalize it.

I know exactly what you mean and yes I responded.  A lot of people here touch type.  If you have a keyboard that has a key in the wrong place it is very awkward to type.  You might want to use a different keyboard, or adjust to the one you are using.  I like standard layouts for that reason alone.

[noisyturtle]

i get warned/banned for minimal **** compared to your spamming, so i want the mods to do their job right.

Considering your last ban/mute of any sort was your big one, I don't feel like that's the case.

On topic, not at all. I think I've used the right shift on both my race 2 and hhkb once.

Well you just saw noistyturtle purposely spam.
Did you give him a warning?

My profile is already at Threat Level Midnight

[Fragil1ty]

Does having one of those smaller right side shift buttons mess you up when typing?
I'm talking about the layouts where they reduce the size of the shift to accommodate the arrow keys - usually the layout you get on the 84 style compact keyboards.

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I just can't get used to it 

I never even use that key, **** that key.
Using that key is like using ctrl in the default position, IT'S NOT RIGHT.

[blighty]

Does having one of those smaller right side shift buttons mess you up when typing?
I'm talking about the layouts where they reduce the size of the shift to accommodate the arrow keys - usually the layout you get on the 84 style compact keyboards.


I just can't get used to it 

I use boards with the 1.75u right shift, and the smaller key does mess me up sometimes when I'm typing out things in a hurry.  I'm debating putting a full size right shift on my next build just to be different.  I suppose I can put the up arrow on the FN layer (after all, the shift does already have an arrow on it).

[bueller]

Short right shift all the way! I turn the right shift and the three mods below it into a nav cluster on my 60's so I like the symmetry the 1.75 key provides.

[jacobolus]

I guess it would **** me up, as I do use the right shift key...

I doubt it. Where on the right shift key do you press? The OP of this thread is the first person who I’ve ever heard complain about this, and I know a bunch of people who use both shifts evenly or mostly use right shift, and have keyboards with 1.75u right shifts. Personally I never press even halfway over on the right shift. Even 1u size would probably be somewhat okay, but 1.75 is more than wide enough. The bigger problem with right shift is that it’s too far away.

I think the best would be to have both shift keys be ~1.5–2 units wide, and the right shift moved closer in by a key (basically put right shift where / is on a standard ANSI board).

On ANSI, the right shift is too far away and much too big. The left shift is in a good spot and a bit too big.

On ISO, both shifts are too far away, and the right shift is much too big, while the left shift is slightly smaller than I’d prefer. ISO is designed to be close to unusable for people with small hands.

A better solution entirely is to put shift on a thumb key, or nearer to the home pinky position, along the lines of:

[ideus]

I guess it would **** me up, as I do use the right shift key...

I doubt it. Where on the right shift key do you press? The OP of this thread is the first person who I�ve ever heard complain about this, and I know a bunch of people who use both shifts evenly or mostly use right shift, and have keyboards with 1.75u right shifts. Personally I never press even halfway over on the right shift. Even 1u size would probably be somewhat okay, but 1.75 is more than wide enough. The bigger problem with right shift is that it�s too far away.

I think the best would be to have both shift keys be ~1.5�2 units wide, and the right shift moved closer in by a key (basically put right shift where / is on a standard ANSI board).

On ANSI, the right shift is too far away and much too big. The left shift is in a good spot and a bit too big.

On ISO, both shifts are too far away, and the right shift is much too big, while the left shift is slightly smaller than I�d prefer. ISO is designed to be close to unusable for people with small hands.

A better solution entirely is to put shift on a thumb key, or nearer to the home pinky position, along the lines of:

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As Leonardo said: Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Drop some keys and let your simplified layout shine.

[Ius]

I recently discovered the right shift key. It was surprisingly intuitive to adjust to (go figure!). I can't believe I used to type "!" and "Q" with my left hand only 

[paicrai]

oh yeah it totally does especially the night shifts

[zshang]

LOL. Have you ever tried Filco Minila XDDDDDDD

[jacobolus]

As Leonardo said: Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Drop some keys and let your simplified layout shine.

Well, the goal of that mockup was to preserve basically 1:1 the existing keys on a TKL board, just moved into better spots. For myself, I’d actually drop a bunch of keys and make something in a symmetrical, column-staggered layout.

[Bomble]

It doesn't really bother me on my HHKB, I rarely use it, and if I ever do I press it on the very far left. I could probably also be just fine with a 1u right shift, it would just feel weird.

[daerid]

That wouldn't bother me at all. A smaller left shift? That's just cray-cray

[Bucake]

after almost a year of use, i'm still not used to the right shift :>

[Oobly]

Some very interesting posts here.

I grew up with ISO and didn't like the small LEFT Shift, so I got used to using Right Shift exclusively. I never use Left Shift.


I find short Right Shift to be perfectly fine, since I always press it on the inside area, near to /?. I have been using a KBT Pure for quite a while and also my Writer's Portable prototype and am perfectly happy with a 1x size Right Shift.

@Bucake, the bottom 2 rows on that board are all kinds of wrong. The entire 'Z' row is too far left, so I'd have trouble just typing. The position of the inside edge of the Right Shift would throw me off there, not the size.

[azhdar]

My main board is using 1.75u Rshift + 1u Fn key (HHKB style), I like it much more like this.
On a 2.75u Rshift, I'm pressing in the middle of the key or the left part of it, so It changes nothing to me.