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Offline saturnotaku

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 10:09:12 »
He has 1 last board for sale, made a new auction for it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unitech-Classic-K258-PS2-Wired-Keyboard-brand-new-/251900959161?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa67799b9

And it was quickly gone. Mine should be arriving tomorrow, along with USB adapter and extension cable.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 10:45:09 »
Grazed, now that you've had the keyboard for short while, what do you think of it?

I should have done that earlier I suppose, I've been busy the last few days. Sorry guys!

The Feel:

Pros:

Typing on it is great, IMO (I'm sort of directly comparing this to blue switches in a CM Storm). The keys aren't as stiff as I thought they would be, and they seem to actuate earlier (seems like 2/5th~ the way down?). The sound is definitely more satisfying than blues, there's a LOT more bass to the clicky clacky. The downside I suppose to that is that the thing is much louder. It can easily be heard a room over if you're a heavy handed typist.

Gaming on it also feels good. The keys have enough resistance to them that you don't accidentally register WASD presses by resting your fingers on the keys, and the travel time to actuate is low enough that twitch reflexes are executed plenty fast enough, at least for me.

Mixed Bag:

Stabilizers. They're FANTASTIC on the space bar and the other large keys (you can use the absolute edge of the space bar and have it feel like you're pressing down in the middle), except for one key, the enter key. I don't know if it's because of the shape or the way they placed the switch, but it feels a bit off compared to the rest of the board. It's not stiff, it's not necessarily bad, it just feels different! The feedback when the switch goes off feels to be muffled, and it bottoms out a bit easier than the other keys.



Build Quality:

The Good:

The build quality is good. It's heavy, feels like a good 3 pounds, there's definitely a sizable metal plate in there. The plastic used for the frame is thick, feels like it's made out of the same stuff that the SNES was, if any of you owned that in your childhood. That said, if you pick it up and twist, it still has some flex to it. It doesn't detract from how sturdy it feels, you definitely get the impression that this board can take a beating.

Mixed Bag:

Key consistency was a little weird for a few keys. Some weren't as "crunchy" as others, probably from aging. They all felt the same though, and you wouldn't be able to tell if you had headphones on or something, it was strictly an audible difference, not a tactile one.

This can apparently be fixed in all of 2 minutes by popping off the cap and then popping off the top of the switch and adjusting the spring:

Whether or not I'm going to do it for all of 3 keys, I don't know. All of the keys seem to be normalizing after some use anyway, so it's becoming harder and harder to tell the difference.


Conclusion:

I'm very happy with it, probably the best $20 I have ever spent on a computer peripheral. I adore the ALPS feel compared to Cherry for some reason, it just make typing a bit more enjoyable, and prevents heavy handed mistakes in gaming, for me.

I wish I would have purchased more of them!
« Last Edit: Thu, 02 April 2015, 10:49:17 by grazed »

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 17:59:04 »
Thanks for the update. Sounds like you made a great buy. This will be my first keyboard with Alps switches. If they're a bit beefier than MX Blue switches, it may have the resistance I prefer.

I think a few of us regret not getting two--it's a backup thing, I suppose. Mine is due to be delivered on Monday. Thanks for the response, grazed. Enjoy your Unitech.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 18:14:35 »
Nice review, Grazed! Glad you like the switches :) . If you or anyone needs some help with any switches that feel wrong, let me know :) . And yeah, the Alps actuation point is a little higher up than that of Cherries.
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 18:40:28 »
Thanks for the review grazed :)

Really looking forward to this new experience.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 19:10:52 »
Grazed, thanks for including the video link. I found it informative, never having worked on Alps switches.
Question for you: If you've had any of your K258 key caps off, what color Alps switches are on the keyboard?
Again, thank you for the tip on where to get this keyboard and your recent overview. Greatly appreciated.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 21:12:32 »
Grazed, thanks for including the video link. I found it informative, never having worked on Alps switches.
Question for you: If you've had any of your K258 key caps off, what color Alps switches are on the keyboard?
Again, thank you for the tip on where to get this keyboard and your recent overview. Greatly appreciated.

No problem! I swapped the delete and num lock keys shortly after I got it and remapped it via software. I didn't take a picture of it (should have, it came up a few times elsewhere!), but here's a post from 2009 that shows the switch: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=5815.0

It's actually the thread that introduced me to this community after a long while of googling for information on the board. :)

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 21:22:01 »
Mine is scheduled to be here tomorrow. I can't wait. Sadly I forgot to order my ps2-usb adapter, so I'll have to wait a while longer to actually use it.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #58 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 21:57:13 »
Mine is scheduled to be here tomorrow. I can't wait. Sadly I forgot to order my ps2-usb adapter, so I'll have to wait a while longer to actually use it.

Mine KB was scheduled to come in on Monday, but it's coming in tomorrow! I'll have to do a mini review this weekend.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 22:25:46 »
As someone who presses spacebar with their right thumb, that layout is b0rked.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 02 April 2015, 22:32:09 »
got mine today.  it's pretty neat, but the 1.25u alt key where the windows key normally is bugs me.  keep hitting space when i mean to hit alt.  1.5u ctrl and alt would be much preferred.  i like the low pitch thunk the keys give off.

the caps definitely aren't doubleshot but i'm not entirely sure what they are.  i can feel the legends on them.  material feels like ABS to me but i'm hardly an expert.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 01:58:53 »
got mine today.  it's pretty neat, but the 1.25u alt key where the windows key normally is bugs me.  keep hitting space when i mean to hit alt.  1.5u ctrl and alt would be much preferred.  i like the low pitch thunk the keys give off.

the caps definitely aren't doubleshot but i'm not entirely sure what they are.  i can feel the legends on them.  material feels like ABS to me but i'm hardly an expert.
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #62 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 02:00:17 »
feels very slightly raised.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #63 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 02:24:39 »
Probably dyesubbed. One of my old boards also has raised dyesubbed lettering.
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 10:38:32 »
Rec'd the keyboard this morning and used it for about 30 minutes: the keyboard works fine, but it's not for me. I'm addicted to Topre key switches.
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #65 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 10:42:30 »
I just got mine in the mail this morning!

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The keys really do feel like slightly stiffer MX blues with a lower-tone click. I really like this layout, as well. It's very similar to a Cherry 1800 layout. I might try this on my desk for a while instead of my full-size Ducky Shine III, just because two full-size boards on my desk at once can make things seem pretty cramped.

I do notice a bit more wobble in the keys compared to my MX boards, although I'm not sure whether that's the Alps switches or the caps causing it. It's nothing major but it is noticeable.

Speaking of keycaps, these seem to be ABS, a bit on the thin side, but not the thinnest I've seen.

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The legends appear to be laser-etched and filled. Here are some pseudo-macro shots I made with a machinist's loupe and my Moto X camera:

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The ISO layout is funky, as ISO layouts are. although I have to say I prefer the smaller backspace to make room for the slash rather than the smaller left shift on some layouts. Maybe that's because I use backspace less often. I guess I make fewer mistakes than I make capital letters.

All in all, not a bad way to spend $26.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #66 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 13:45:40 »
Just got delivered and am typing this with it, I really like the initial feel of the switches, a little louder and heavier than my MX Blue keyboard and about as tactile. However, as this is my first iso board I keep missing the backspace, otherwise I think the size and key layout (besides being iso) are ideal.  I will type on it all weekend and post a review. Otherwise again a great find and thanks for letting everyone know grazed!
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 16:52:27 »
I do notice a bit more wobble in the keys compared to my MX boards, although I'm not sure whether that's the Alps switches or the caps causing it. It's nothing major but it is noticeable.
Don't worry, it's not the caps; that's normal for Alps switches :) . Compared to Cherries, they definitely wobble more.
 

The legends appear to be laser-etched and filled. Here are some pseudo-macro shots I made with a machinist's loupe and my Moto X camera:

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They're definitely lasered, but unless it's an optical illusion, they don't look filled-in to me Oo . They look just like AT101W caps, in fact.
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« Reply #68 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 19:37:43 »
I do notice a bit more wobble in the keys compared to my MX boards, although I'm not sure whether that's the Alps switches or the caps causing it. It's nothing major but it is noticeable.
Don't worry, it's not the caps; that's normal for Alps switches :) . Compared to Cherries, they definitely wobble more.
 

The legends appear to be laser-etched and filled. Here are some pseudo-macro shots I made with a machinist's loupe and my Moto X camera:

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They're definitely lasered, but unless it's an optical illusion, they don't look filled-in to me Oo . They look just like AT101W caps, in fact.
So the color is just the burn from the laser. Makes sense.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #69 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 20:31:35 »
Can we get dimensions? Thanks!

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #70 on: Mon, 06 April 2015, 17:28:21 »
Just got my board today as well!

Feels quite nice to type on, definitely more wobbly switches compared to MX as others have said. For some reason the 1u backspace on this board doesn't bother me as much as the one on the Pure Pro did.

100% worth hehe :)

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 06 April 2015, 17:46:38 »
the 1u backspace is a minor annoyance.  having my spacebar under the X key where i expect my alt... that makes me stabby.  great keyboard otherwise though.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 06 April 2015, 18:01:37 »
Oh, by the way, it's a minor thing, but these aren't ISO. They are ANSI with Asian ("Bigass") Enter. :)
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 06 April 2015, 20:09:17 »
I do notice a bit more wobble in the keys compared to my MX boards, although I'm not sure whether that's the Alps switches or the caps causing it. It's nothing major but it is noticeable.
Don't worry, it's not the caps; that's normal for Alps switches :) . Compared to Cherries, they definitely wobble more.
 

The legends appear to be laser-etched and filled. Here are some pseudo-macro shots I made with a machinist's loupe and my Moto X camera:

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
They're definitely lasered, but unless it's an optical illusion, they don't look filled-in to me Oo . They look just like AT101W caps, in fact.

I just realized that you're the person in the repair video that I linked earlier in the thread. <.<

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 06 April 2015, 20:09:55 »
Oh, by the way, it's a minor thing, but these aren't ISO. They are ANSI with Asian ("Bigass") Enter. :)
No matter. It's about to be a pile of desoldered white Alps. After a few days' use, this thing is just too rickety for regular use.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 06 April 2015, 20:41:56 »
Oh, by the way, it's a minor thing, but these aren't ISO. They are ANSI with Asian ("Bigass") Enter. :)
No matter. It's about to be a pile of desoldered white Alps. After a few days' use, this thing is just too rickety for regular use.

Something structurally wrong with your board? Maybe I'm just lucky, but the board I've been using and the board the lady friend has been using still feel the same from the day we got them (date from OP).

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 06 April 2015, 21:17:32 »
Oh, by the way, it's a minor thing, but these aren't ISO. They are ANSI with Asian ("Bigass") Enter. :)
No matter. It's about to be a pile of desoldered white Alps. After a few days' use, this thing is just too rickety for regular use.

Something structurally wrong with your board? Maybe I'm just lucky, but the board I've been using and the board the lady friend has been using still feel the same from the day we got them (date from OP).

It just overall doesn't feel very solid or firm. That, combined with the wonky layout (backspace, spacebar, right modifiers), make for an overall unpleasant experience.

All in all, I don't regret the purchase, especially for the price I paid. I just think these white Alps switches have more potential in some kind of custom project.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 06 April 2015, 22:13:51 »
Got mine in today :)
Random info and question
It's about 15.5x6.5 inch
Came with plastic cover  :thumb:
It's interesting about that languages it may have came in.

I had a question because on my newer motherboard (the  ps/2 hookup where both mouse and keyboard are together, green and purple) the keyboard doesn't work. However in an older motherboard (mouse and keyboard hook up separate) it works. Is this a design issue?

Also I tried popping a keycap but it was so difficult to do so I stopped. I am coming from MX so maybe the pressure is different.

And what is a good way to get that awful postage off of the box  :'( I had mild success.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 07 April 2015, 04:05:49 »
I just realized that you're the person in the repair video that I linked earlier in the thread. <.<

I dig your videos!
Correct ^^ . Cheers mate, glad you like the videos! I'll be posting another one soon, when I get back home from being back home! (:P)

Also I tried popping a keycap but it was so difficult to do so I stopped. I am coming from MX so maybe the pressure is different.
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #79 on: Tue, 07 April 2015, 16:04:17 »
My roommates tell me that mine came in yesterday, but I'm on vacation 2000 miles away  :(


Is it sad that I'm ready to cut my vacation short and head home just to check it out?

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #80 on: Tue, 07 April 2015, 17:00:14 »
My roommates tell me that mine came in yesterday, but I'm on vacation 2000 miles away  :(


Is it sad that I'm ready to cut my vacation short and head home just to check it out?
It's not THAT good of a board to cut a vacation short, in my opinion. Just have some fun on vacation. :p

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #81 on: Tue, 07 April 2015, 17:28:37 »
My roommates tell me that mine came in yesterday, but I'm on vacation 2000 miles away  :(


Is it sad that I'm ready to cut my vacation short and head home just to check it out?

If I was your roommate you would return to a nice rubber dome keyboard :P
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #82 on: Fri, 24 April 2015, 15:36:33 »
So I got home from vacation today and tried the Unitek... No dice! Num lock light comes on, but none of the keystrokes register. I'm on Windows 8.1, is there anything I need to configure? All of my previous boards have been plug and play  :(


Thanks.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #83 on: Fri, 24 April 2015, 18:45:06 »
Are you using a PS/2 port or a USB one? If the latter, are you using a simple adapter, or an active converter?
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #84 on: Fri, 24 April 2015, 19:21:13 »
Are you using a PS/2 port or a USB one? If the latter, are you using a simple adapter, or an active converter?


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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #85 on: Fri, 24 April 2015, 19:52:50 »
active USB converter

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« Reply #86 on: Sat, 25 April 2015, 07:54:07 »
Are you using a PS/2 port or a USB one? If the latter, are you using a simple adapter, or an active converter?


PS/2!
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« Reply #87 on: Sat, 25 April 2015, 13:10:43 »
A lot of times hotplugging PS/2 requires a reboot, even on newer computers. But if you use a PS/2 to USB converter, a reboot is not necessary.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #88 on: Sat, 25 April 2015, 22:14:10 »
A lot of times hotplugging PS/2 requires a reboot, even on newer computers. But if you use a PS/2 to USB converter, a reboot is not necessary.

i've also heard there's a possibility hotplugging PS/2 can blow out your motherboard.  not sure if that still applies to modern machines, but better safe than sorry.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #89 on: Mon, 27 April 2015, 03:59:54 »
I just picked up my K-258 at our friends's in WA (it didn't make much sense to spend more on postage than the board), so I'm the last one to get mine.

I immediately noticed that it wasn't white, as the overexposed eBay photo:





...had made it seem. Rather, it's IBM beige/brown. So it looks more like a baby Model M, which is okay with me. It was just a bit surprising—at first I thought they'd sent me the wrong board.

The clear dust cover is a nice touch, as is the substantial M-style coiled cable. (I suppose this was made before cables started getting cheapened down along with everything else.)

Yup, genuine white ALPS all right (unless there are counterfeits that say "ALPS"?). As I mentioned, this is my first ALPS board ever, and getting a NIB pre-Windows one this cheap is a thrill. It's delightfully clicky... The switches feel very much like Cherry MX blues to me—just as crisp, and loud enough to look forward to using them to annoy my family.  :?)

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I swapped the delete and num lock keys shortly after I got it and remapped it via software...

Yeah, the layout is funny, isn't it? Can't blame njbair for thinking it was ISO; I've never seen one quite like it either.

I'm not crazy about the half-size Backspace. And yeah, it was quite odd putting Insert and Delete on the bottom row and pushing over the spacebar like that. I sympathize with metalliqaz ("As someone who presses spacebar with their right thumb, that layout is b0rked"), but apparently I tend to keep my hands more toward the KB's center, as I haven't missed the spacebar yet.

The big-ass Enter looks even more big-assed than usual on this little board. Humourously big-ass. Typing-wise, though, it doesn't bother me at all. (I never did get why BAEs turn some people off so much... The bottom half, where a regular-size Enter usually is, is the same shape as a regular-size Enter; it just has an extra piece above that, which you're free to ignore. Maybe I'm missing something.)

I'm typing this review on the Unitek (seemed appropriate), and it's taken me only a few minutes to adjust to it. Personally, I think it's good for our brains to cycle through some odd layouts. You not only get used to each layout, you develop the general skill of adapting to all odd layouts. With the right attitude, we're remarkably adaptable creatures—and new challenges are what enabled us to evolve that way.

So to sum up, despite the quirks, this was definitely worth the dough to me. Thanks again, grazed!

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And what is a good way to get that awful postage off of the box...?

Funny—they reversed my box so it's plain on the outside and printed on the inside. Wonder why they started bothering? Maybe the P.O. complained about the printing?

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A lot of times hotplugging PS/2 requires a reboot, even on newer computers. But if you use a PS/2 to USB converter, a reboot is not necessary.

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i've also heard there's a possibility hotplugging PS/2 can blow out your motherboard.  not sure if that still applies to modern machines...

It sure does! You should never hot-plug PS/2; it wasn't designed for that. I don't know about blowing out your mobo, but you can certainly blow out your PS/2 adapter (which is part of your mobo, and thus not replaceable). This is why USB was so cool when it came out—it could be hotplugged.

Once you connect your board to an active USB adapter, though, as far as your PC's concerned, it's a USB device—so hotplugging it then is no problem.
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #90 on: Mon, 27 April 2015, 14:49:54 »
Yup, genuine white ALPS all right (unless there are counterfeits that say "ALPS"?).
Hahaha, would you believe it, there actually are xD . Some clones were built using stolen, discarded housings from genuine Alps switches. They still lack the Alps mould numbering, though, and the ones in your Unitek are definitely genuine :) . Glad you like it! :)
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #91 on: Mon, 27 April 2015, 15:15:14 »
I think I may have initially been too hard on this board. I've been using it all day just to give it another chance and it's been pretty nice.

I'm trying to figure out why I disliked it so much at first. I think it was mostly about adapting to the odd layout. But I've also changed my ergonomic setup since then and I think that's a huge part of it. I had been having minor trouble with stiffness in my wrists so I moved everything back on my desk so that my entire arm from the elbow up can rest on the desk while I type. That has made a huge difference. But I think the key is that, with my forearms on the desk, I don't have to use the feet on my keyboards. Having the feet extended, I think, makes boards seem more rickety and rattly.

It's still not the most solid board, and I really don't like that 1U backspace, but I'm doing OK now for the most part. Maybe this Unitech won't end up in the scrap PCB pile after all.

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« Reply #92 on: Mon, 27 April 2015, 18:26:39 »
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    Yup, genuine white ALPS all right (unless there are counterfeits that say "ALPS"?).

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Hahaha, would you believe it, there actually are xD . Some clones were built using stolen, discarded housings from genuine Alps switches. They still lack the Alps mould numbering, though, and the ones in your Unitek are definitely genuine...

No kidding! Well, I see Unitek's still in business—having changed their name to Unitech (go figure)—and their About page sez:

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Unitech has consistently upheld the core values in Honesty & Integrity, Collaboration, Excellence, and Profit sharing to serve its valuable partners around the world...

So, as corporations never lie, we can safely assume we have real ALPSes. LOL

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I'm trying to figure out why I disliked it so much at first. I think it was mostly about adapting to the odd layout. But I've also changed my ergonomic setup since then and I think that's a huge part of it. I had been having minor trouble with stiffness in my wrists so I moved everything back on my desk so that my entire arm from the elbow up can rest on the desk while I type. That has made a huge difference. But I think the key is that, with my forearms on the desk, I don't have to use the feet on my keyboards...

Glad to hear about your progress. I'm not a doctor, but I think it's possible that many typing-related pains and other injuries are caused by doing too much work—esp. with smaller muscles—without warming up a bit first.

For what it's worth, as a musician, I've learned what a difference it makes to warm up before any serious playing. So before I start typing, I take a minute to warm up too. Briefly, here's what I do:

1. Hold my arms out horizontally, hands open, and gently stretch backwards.

2. Clasp my hands above my head, palms forward, and push upward.

3. Rotate my wrists a few times in either direction.

4. Put my fingertips together, then slowly and gently press them together.

5. Using the middle knuckle of one hand's index finger, stretch the other hand's thumb muscle by slowly rubbing it toward the wrist.

6. "Wring" my hands like I'm washing them, but with the object of them massaging each other. (Hard to describe, easy to do.)

It takes only a minute, but it feels good, and—for me, at least—it makes typing much more comfortable Here's a webpage with some other pre-typing warmups, in case you're interested.

Another entirely possible cause of injury is that many of us type so damn much in one sitting! I have a free little timer app that I set to 30 minutes. Each time it goes off, I force myself to stand, stretch, and take a break, even if I'm right in the middle of something. It's not good for your body to sit for long periods; it can cause all kinds of other problems too. Plus, when you take a minute away from what you're working on, you often return to it a bit fresher, with new and better ideas.

(Sorry for the topic drift, BTW... It can happen when you get people together who like to type!)
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #93 on: Mon, 27 April 2015, 19:04:58 »
Those are all good tips. More importantly, I recently re-started a workout routine. Got a gym buddy this time so hopefully we'll keep each other accountable.

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #94 on: Mon, 27 April 2015, 20:55:37 »
A lot of times hotplugging PS/2 requires a reboot, even on newer computers. But if you use a PS/2 to USB converter, a reboot is not necessary.

This did it! Originally, I'd plugged it before booting up and it wouldn't see it, didn't even think to restart it  :p

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #95 on: Wed, 29 April 2015, 02:14:28 »
I've found only one baffling thing about this little KB: When I type codes for extended ASCII characters (e.g. Alt+0151 for long dash), it gets about half of them wrong. Any idea why it'd do that?
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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 29 April 2015, 02:41:47 »
Did we figure out what the printing method was used on the keycaps?

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Re: Found new in box Unitek K258 boards for $20
« Reply #97 on: Wed, 29 April 2015, 03:05:28 »
I've found only one baffling thing about this little KB: When I type codes for extended ASCII characters (e.g. Alt+0151 for long dash), it gets about half of them wrong. Any idea why it'd do that?
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« Reply #98 on: Wed, 29 April 2015, 03:27:21 »
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Did we figure out what the printing method was used on the keycaps?

Looks like dye-sub to me. (With laser engraving, there are usually little stop/start marks in thick places like arrow heads, aren't there?) Very nicely done, too—fine detail, no bleeding. And it's brown rather than black, which is sweet.

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Does it produce normal scan codes for those keys?

That'd be the thing to check, wouldn't it? However, it turns out that because the spacebar is farther left than usual, I was actually holding that, not left Alt, and looking only at the tenkey. Isn't it nice knowing what bubbleheads people can be so you can feel brilliant by comparison? No, don't thank me—I'm glad to provide that service, and do it regularly.  :?P
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« Reply #99 on: Wed, 29 April 2015, 09:07:33 »
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Does it produce normal scan codes for those keys?

That'd be the thing to check, wouldn't it? However, it turns out that because the spacebar is farther left than usual, I was actually holding that, not left Alt, and looking only at the tenkey. Isn't it nice knowing what bubbleheads people can be so you can feel brilliant by comparison? No, don't thank me—I'm glad to provide that service, and do it regularly.  :?P
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