Author Topic: [IC] ALPS Switches & ALPS Custom Springs - in August 2016 (Read 34076 times)

bcredbottle · « **Reply #50 on:** Fri, 19 June 2015, 11:28:47 »

Can I put MX springs into my Alps (Matias) switches or do I need Alps springs specifically?

sprit · « **Reply #51 on:** Fri, 19 June 2015, 11:43:35 »

Quote from: bcredbottle on Fri, 19 June 2015, 11:28:47

Can I put MX springs into my Alps (Matias) switches or do I need Alps springs specifically?

Hi!@
No, due to all the dimensions differ
Alps springs GB will open in a month

CommonCurt · « **Reply #52 on:** Fri, 19 June 2015, 15:03:06 »

Quote from: sprit on Fri, 19 June 2015, 11:43:35

Hi!@
Alps springs GB will open in a month

Yay

t8c · « **Reply #53 on:** Mon, 22 June 2015, 05:40:06 »

Can't wait to play around with salmons and 60g springs!

bcredbottle · « **Reply #54 on:** Thu, 02 July 2015, 14:40:19 »

Quote from: t8c on Mon, 22 June 2015, 05:40:06

Can't wait to play around with salmons and 60g springs!

Counting the days

Karura · « **Reply #55 on:** Fri, 03 July 2015, 05:27:15 »

Hey sprit!

I would be more than happy to try out some custom ALPS springs and order a few bags, but I honestly do not know what spring weight I want.

Would you be able to provide me with a sample pack of the different weights before ordering more bags?

bcredbottle · « **Reply #56 on:** Tue, 21 July 2015, 13:02:09 »

Quote from: sprit on Fri, 19 June 2015, 11:43:35

Quote from: bcredbottle on Fri, 19 June 2015, 11:28:47
Can I put MX springs into my Alps (Matias) switches or do I need Alps springs specifically?
Hi!@
No, due to all the dimensions differ
Alps springs GB will open in a month

It's been a month. Sprit I'm dyin' for some Alps springs!

bcredbottle · « **Reply #57 on:** Tue, 28 July 2015, 13:10:57 »

The time for Alps springs has arrived!

Blaise170 · « **Reply #58 on:** Tue, 28 July 2015, 16:56:43 »

Quote from: FrostyToast on Sun, 26 April 2015, 18:55:39

It's an interesting board.
It's a Chicony KB-5161 rebranded for Samsung. There is no birth certificate on the board telling me the number or date.

Did you happen to get that one from me by chance? Just curious.

FrostyToast · « **Reply #59 on:** Tue, 28 July 2015, 17:00:34 »

Quote from: Blaise170 on Tue, 28 July 2015, 16:56:43

Quote from: FrostyToast on Sun, 26 April 2015, 18:55:39
It's an interesting board.
It's a Chicony KB-5161 rebranded for Samsung. There is no birth certificate on the board telling me the number or date.

Did you happen to get that one from me by chance? Just curious.

Got it from intelli. They don't seem too common so he might have bought it from you.

Blaise170 · « **Reply #60 on:** Tue, 28 July 2015, 17:21:25 »

Quote from: FrostyToast on Tue, 28 July 2015, 17:00:34

Got it from intelli. They don't seem too common so he might have bought it from you.

Ah okay. I haven't seen anymore Samsung 5161's so I figured they were pretty rare.

bcredbottle · « **Reply #61 on:** Sun, 02 August 2015, 10:54:33 »

Is it rude to bump? I would buy at least three bags of springs anywhere between 60g and 85g.

bcredbottle · « **Reply #62 on:** Wed, 05 August 2015, 16:23:21 »

pokkuhlag · « **Reply #63 on:** Thu, 06 August 2015, 11:32:37 »

I'm interested in Alps Switches, I just joined the MD Alps keycaps and I need the switches to build a board for it.

dante · « **Reply #64 on:** Sat, 15 August 2015, 21:32:47 »

marked for the future.

BlueNalgene · « **Reply #65 on:** Sun, 16 August 2015, 20:03:47 »

also marked for the future.

bcredbottle · « **Reply #66 on:** Tue, 01 September 2015, 07:40:37 »

ba-
Ba-
BA-
BA BUMP!
BAMP BOOMP BEEMP BIMP BEMP

Status update plz?

Mattr567 · « **Reply #67 on:** Sat, 05 September 2015, 18:54:30 »

Update? Need them 70g Alps springs!

lonelyqbone · « **Reply #68 on:** Sun, 27 September 2015, 17:09:46 »

any word/update on this? I'm hoping to get heavier springs for my quiet linear Matias switches for the Planck I got from massdrop. something as heavy as a black or heavier.

bcredbottle · « **Reply #69 on:** Sun, 18 October 2015, 14:26:16 »

Looks like IC confirmed dead

sprit · « **Reply #70 on:** Fri, 01 July 2016, 00:54:33 »

ALPS Springs - Introducing in August

Thanks for the Long Wait! After the long IC, I'd like to introduce Alps Custom Springs Worldwide.
Already prototyped in 2012-2014, will mass produced in this August.
I will update the progress. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0

Blaise170 · « **Reply #71 on:** Fri, 01 July 2016, 12:24:34 »

Very cool, this might make white Alps more palatable for me.

SJHL · « **Reply #72 on:** Fri, 01 July 2016, 15:56:56 »

Quote from: sprit on Fri, 01 July 2016, 00:54:33

ALPS Springs - Introducing in August

Thanks for the Long Wait! After the long IC, I'd like to introduce Alps Custom Springs Worldwide.
Already prototyped in 2012-2014, will mass produced in this August.
I will update the progress. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0

Now we're talking. Looks like 2016 is the year of the Alps?

emdude · « **Reply #73 on:** Fri, 01 July 2016, 16:10:07 »

Very interesting, will be watching this.

alienman82 · « **Reply #74 on:** Fri, 01 July 2016, 18:29:59 »

removed.

jacobolus · « **Reply #75 on:** Fri, 01 July 2016, 18:40:18 »

Yeah, the tactile leaf in brown Alps provides most of the resistance.

E3E · « **Reply #76 on:** Fri, 01 July 2016, 19:32:02 »

Quote from: alienman82 on Fri, 01 July 2016, 18:29:59

I've been told that lighter springs in skcm browns don't make much a difference. Anyone test this?

Of course; I wouldn't say something like that without testing it myself.

alienman82 · « **Reply #77 on:** Fri, 01 July 2016, 19:50:11 »

removed.

deductivemonkee · « **Reply #78 on:** Fri, 01 July 2016, 20:29:01 »

How heavy are the stock matias click springs? I want something slightly lighter.

sprit · « **Reply #79 on:** Sat, 02 July 2016, 05:42:41 »

The Target is to produce ALPS Springs

- 40cN, 45cN, 48cN, 52cN, 55cN, 58cN, 60cN, 65cN, 70cN, 72cN, 75cN at Actuation point.
Any opinion will be carefully listened to and shared.

dante · « **Reply #80 on:** Sat, 02 July 2016, 08:29:17 »

I'll ask what everyone else is thinking: What is going to keep you from disappearing again?

sprit · « **Reply #81 on:** Sat, 02 July 2016, 19:22:36 »

Quote from: dante on Sat, 02 July 2016, 08:29:17

I'll ask what everyone else is thinking: What is going to keep you from disappearing again?

Too much pressures at my work keep me disappear.

sprit · « **Reply #82 on:** Sat, 02 July 2016, 19:34:00 »

Quote from: dante on Sat, 02 July 2016, 08:29:17

I'll ask what everyone else is thinking: What is going to keep you from disappearing again?

ALPS Springs - How to do GB (1)

I will not invoice or ship individually for this GB. No time to conduct that mission.
When it is produced, limited amounts will be shipped via Proxy or some other way.

sprit · « **Reply #83 on:** Sun, 03 July 2016, 05:18:11 »

NeXT 1986

duhhey · « **Reply #84 on:** Sun, 03 July 2016, 12:51:30 »

I wanntt :O

Mattr567 · « **Reply #85 on:** Sun, 03 July 2016, 17:53:18 »

Quote from: sprit on Sun, 03 July 2016, 05:18:11

NeXT 1986

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Have one of these. Nice board.

Delirious · « **Reply #86 on:** Tue, 05 July 2016, 00:54:09 »

As long as Mechanicalkeyboards.com is your official US proxy I will definitely pick up a whole bunch of them. Super interested.

jacobolus · « **Reply #87 on:** Tue, 05 July 2016, 03:05:44 »

Quote from: Deductivemonkee on Fri, 01 July 2016, 20:29:01

How heavy are the stock matias click springs? I want something slightly lighter.

You should get some Matias linear switches and swap the springs between the two. Improves both switches IMO.

jacobolus · « **Reply #88 on:** Tue, 05 July 2016, 03:13:40 »

Quote from: sprit on Sat, 02 July 2016, 05:42:41

- 40cN, 45cN, 48cN, 52cN, 55cN, 58cN, 60cN, 65cN, 70cN, 72cN, 75cN at Actuation point.

How long will these springs be? Having so many choices of stiffness is in my opinion not very useful. People would get better range of switch feeling from having fewer stiffness choices, but 2–3 different length choices

Stiffness at actuation point includes the contribution from a metal leaf spring used to depress the contact? If so, which type (complicated Alps? SKBM? Matias?) Does this also include a contribution from a tactile leaf? I assume not.

Can you compare your proposed springs to some specific Alps (or other existing switch) springs, so we have some context and basis for comparison? Ideally compare both stiffness and length (e.g. a side-by-side picture)?

Thanks for putting something like this together, Sprit! More choices of Alps springs will be great!

E3E · « **Reply #89 on:** Tue, 05 July 2016, 11:49:23 »

Quote from: jacobolus on Tue, 05 July 2016, 03:13:40

Quote from: sprit on Sat, 02 July 2016, 05:42:41
- 40cN, 45cN, 48cN, 52cN, 55cN, 58cN, 60cN, 65cN, 70cN, 72cN, 75cN at Actuation point.
How long will these springs be? Having so many choices of stiffness is in my opinion not very useful. People would get better range of switch feeling from having fewer stiffness choices, but 2–3 different length choices

There are a lot of people who favor the minute differences between 55g, 58g, 62g and so on when it comes to Cherry MX. I'd say that the wide array of options is a good thing. Someone might find that their spring of choice hits a very particular sweet spot.

One of my favorite weighted switches is the Alps SKCL Brown switch. In all the board-wide switches I've used, this one is the heaviest, but it's very pleasant. SKCL Cream (the next closest) is 5g lighter (and SKCL Yellow is 5g lighter than that). I'd love having a spring weight that is on point with that switch, for instance. 5g is enough of a difference for me.

sprit · « **Reply #90 on:** Thu, 07 July 2016, 00:27:16 »

Quote from: jacobolus on Tue, 05 July 2016, 03:13:40

Quote from: sprit on Sat, 02 July 2016, 05:42:41
- 40cN, 45cN, 48cN, 52cN, 55cN, 58cN, 60cN, 65cN, 70cN, 72cN, 75cN at Actuation point.
How long will these springs be? Having so many choices of stiffness is in my opinion not very useful. People would get better range of switch feeling from having fewer stiffness choices, but 2–3 different length choices
Stiffness at actuation point includes the contribution from a metal leaf spring used to depress the contact? If so, which type (complicated Alps? SKBM? Matias?) Does this also include a contribution from a tactile leaf? I assume not.
Can you compare your proposed springs to some specific Alps (or other existing switch) springs, so we have some context and basis for comparison? Ideally compare both stiffness and length (e.g. a side-by-side picture)?

Thanks for putting something like this together, Sprit! More choices of Alps springs will be great!

Yes, that's why the scale is so detailed, personally 48cN and 58cN is one of my sweet spots.
Done quite lots of Swapings & Mutants by myself, - Still need You Guys stories, Yes!

Conclusion
Not necessary to show All the complex calculation of all the SW types and it's variations from the different origin of production, IMO.
AS the ALPS has a long long history, incl. the modern Matias, I have concluded Not to mention the structure of complex ALPS SWs,

Just wanna say, ! Everyone is Invited !

sprit · « **Reply #91 on:** Thu, 07 July 2016, 00:39:57 »

ALPS Springs - Introducing in August

- Thanks for the Long Wait! After the long IC, I'd like to introduce the Alps Custom Springs Worldwide.
- Already prototyped in 2012-2014, will mass produced in this August.
- 45cN, 48cN, 52cN, 55cN, 58cN, 62cN, 65cN, 68cN, 70cN, 75cN, 85cN (still need Mind-sharing!)
- Any opinion will be carefully listened to and shared.
- I will update the progress everyweek. [IC] https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.0
- My References : Apple Model 0110, AEK, AEK II, IIgs, Alps Metal SW, Dell AT101, SGI, Wang 725, NorthGate Blue, OmniKey, NCR, Zenith Green Tree, LeadingEdge 2014, 3014, NeXT Black by Steve Jobs

zombimuncha · « **Reply #92 on:** Thu, 07 July 2016, 02:23:50 »

I'm assuming a coil spring of a given weighting will have a different effect in different Alps switches due to there also being a leaf spring in there. This means I have absolutely no idea what weightings I might want, or whether any of them would be lighter or heavier than what I already have. Sprit could you tell us which of your springs most closely approximate the stock springs in some well known switches? Like which would be closest to a 1-1 swap? Maybe start with the black alps in the AT101, and the matias quiet clicks?

sprit · « **Reply #93 on:** Thu, 07 July 2016, 02:50:34 »

Sure! Zombimuncha!

Absolutely I will show the comparison index for each type.
But need lots time to make tables and pics, I will do it in weeks.
So lets get relaxed, optimistic, sharing infos, and enjoy dreaming of the perfect ALPS for yourself.

* If there are some mistakes with production, I will cover all the costs.

stoic-lemon · « **Reply #94 on:** Thu, 07 July 2016, 03:03:14 »

Just point me in the direction of the spring that will make my cream dampened click modded sound and feel like blues.

sprit · « **Reply #95 on:** Thu, 07 July 2016, 04:40:55 »

Quote from: stoic-lemon on Thu, 07 July 2016, 03:03:14

Just point me in the direction of the spring that will make my cream dampened click modded sound and feel like blues.

AFAIK, There is No Way to transform the cream or dampened click modded - To ALPS Blues. Very differ in the 2nd leaf flat springs.
The Blue 2nd leaf springs(stiff angled) make What the Blue Click is (and the main contact leaf springs in some part).

But... You can get the clicky 2nd leaf springs from other cheaper sources, for example, Matias Clicky, or Chinese Clickiss.
It will be ~70% similar to the genuine ALPS Blues, IMO. (Personally, I prefer softer ALPS White Clicky than Blues).
Hope to hear other opinions!

stoic-lemon · « **Reply #96 on:** Thu, 07 July 2016, 06:33:39 »

Quote from: sprit on Thu, 07 July 2016, 04:40:55

Quote from: stoic-lemon on Thu, 07 July 2016, 03:03:14
Just point me in the direction of the spring that will make my cream dampened click modded sound and feel like blues.

AFAIK, There is No Way to transform the cream or dampened click modded - To ALPS Blues. Very differ in the 2nd leaf flat springs.
The Blue 2nd leaf springs(stiff angled) make What the Blue Click is (and the main contact leaf springs in some part).

But... You can get the clicky 2nd leaf springs from other cheaper sources, for example, Matias Clicky, or Chinese Clickiss.
It will be ~70% similar to the genuine ALPS Blues, IMO. (Personally, I prefer softer ALPS White Clicky than Blues).
Hope to hear other opinions!

Ah no worries, it was just little joke

sprit · « **Reply #97 on:** Thu, 07 July 2016, 07:36:54 »

Now's the Time. This IC moves to https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.0

Thanks Guys!

sprit · « **Reply #98 on:** Mon, 15 August 2016, 18:56:21 »

ALPS GB Steps

- Hearing opinions : by the end of July - (Done) [IC] https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.0
- Final Sample production by Aug 20, Express Ship to Testers (2-3 days) : Undergoing
- Test Reports by 15 Members : Aug 30 - Sept 4 [Testers] https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.msg2239559#msg2239559
- Open GroupBuy on Aug 31 - Sept 11, Payment to the Proxy or SPRiT
- Candidates to produce - Actuation force 40cN, 45cN, 50cN, 55cN, 60cN, 65cN, 70cN, 85cN, 100cN, 125cN, 150cN etc
- Mass Production : Sept 12 - Sept 30
- Inspection and pack : October 3 - Oct 16
- Ship to the Proxies or direct from SPRiT : October 17 - Oct 31
- Special GB Price - $6 /100pcs Standard, $10/100pcs Gold, FREE Shipping Worldwide over $30 Buy
- My References : Apple Model 0110, AEK, AEK II, IIgs, Alps Metal SW, Dell AT101, SGI, Wang 725, NorthGate Blue, OmniKey, NCR Alps, Zenith Green Tree, LeadingEdge 2014, 3014, NeXT Black by Steve Jobs
- The End -

sprit · « **Reply #99 on:** Wed, 17 August 2016, 08:25:49 »

NOTICE

The Alps Final Sample springs
are coming to me on 19th Friday, each 5,000pcs, I will pay the sampling fee $1,200 + Gold plating cost.
The half of them will be Gold plated, and 5 packs of Each 100pcs Springs labeled as - A B C D E - will be sent by EMS Express(2-3 days) to the Testers! from 23rd Tuesday.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55888.msg2241488#msg2241488

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