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Offline patrickgeekhack

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« Reply #100 on: Thu, 19 November 2009, 23:02:09 »
Quote from: AndrewZorn;134377
the "groove until you think about it" part happens to me all the time with cherry brown...
still trying to get it to happen with topre...


I think it's hard to get it because of the difference in the keyboard. The initial force to press the key is higher on the Topre than on the brown Cherries. Therefore, the tactile point is almost right at the beginning of the key travel. On the brown Cherries, however, the resistance is higher when you get close to the tactile point, which is half-way the key travel and it is more pronounced and therefore noticed more easily. Just my thoughts.  You're right thought, it's easier to get the "groove until you think about it" on the brown Cherries.
Cherry MX Blue: Cherry G80-3000, Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate
Cherry MX Brown: Filco Majestouch, Compaq MX11800
ALPS: AEK, AEK II, Northgate Omnikey Ultra, Matias Tactile Pro 4
Topre: Realforce 103UB
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M 1390120
Previous owned: Unicomp Customizer 104, IBM Model M 1390141, ABS M1

Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #101 on: Thu, 19 November 2009, 23:09:31 »
I never did get to the point where I could get the groove on the Browns. But then again I really only used my brown board for a few weeks and then my Topre showed up. The Filco with browns has pretty much been sitting in its box ever since. But I have used the Compaq and I no longer bottom that one out now. Now days if I want something a little different I break out the Space saver maybe I should put the filco in the rotation for a bit to see if I can get that grove on it.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #102 on: Thu, 19 November 2009, 23:13:01 »
Quote from: AndrewZorn;134377
the "groove until you think about it" part happens to me all the time with cherry brown...
still trying to get it to happen with topre...


The trying part maybe what is messing you up. Just quit trying and don't think about it just type. The first time for me on the Topre was during a long day of coding and I was really in the coding grove at the time so was not really thinking about typing. But as I was flying over the code it dawned on me how good the keyboard was feeling then BAM it was gone.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #103 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 08:44:48 »
Quote from: ripster;134268
That's the spirit. Ron "Typewriter" Mingo doesn't seem to worry about it either!Go to 2:40 and learn the SECRET TO FAST TYPING! (the ending is funny too)
 
That guy IS my hero!

That's funny, when I listen to music when I type, I get into a groove and make a lot less mistakes and type much faster.  I have always had this problem where I start to think about what I am going to type, and then I can't seem to find the keys.  The other thing I noticed, too is that Ron Mingo doesn't seem to type "properly."  It looks like he uses some kind of hybrid, multi-finger hunt and peck method.  I could be completely wrong about that, though.


Offline maxlugar

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« Reply #104 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 10:06:48 »
Quote from: AndrewZorn;134377
the "groove until you think about it" part happens to me all the time with cherry brown...
still trying to get it to happen with topre...


I personally can't relate to all of these "not bottoming out posts".   What is the point of intentionally trying to not bottom out each key stroke?

Because my primary keyboard has been (and is still occasionally) an 84-key IBM PC AT buckling spring/capacitive Model F, I have been conditioned to pressing hard on the keys (especially the space bar!)

I have grown to appreciate my two Topre key switch boards.  What I like about the Topre key switch is the soft landing when it bottoms out.  I can still type relatively fast (80-90 WPM) on the HHKB Pro2 and 87U while bottoming out the keys. Bottoming out on the Topres also has a nice reassuring sound, but your fingers feel "cushioned."

I have limited experience with Cherrry Browns; all I have is the Filco keypad.  To me, the keys feel linear.  I barely feel the tactile bump before I bottom out.  I enjoy botomming out on the Cherry Brown only because of the sound - it provides me with audible confirmation of the key stroke.  However, bottoming out Brown Cherries is not as pleasant as bottoming out Topre switches.  Also, I personally find the Topre key switches more tactile (feeling) than the Brown Cherry key switches. (you know, that snap of rubber cup and feeling of oneness with cup rubber)

I probably need to get a Filco Majestouch with Brown Cherries to really give them a fair shot.  Blue Cherries, toys, but I Like!
Emperor of the IBM 84-key AT Model F Darkside

Offline patrickgeekhack

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« Reply #105 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 10:43:00 »
Quote from: maxlugar;134484
I personally can't relate to all of these "not bottoming out posts".   What is the point of intentionally trying to not bottom out each key stroke?


Your comment is not 100% accurate. What we are looking for is not to bottom out, that's correct. But, we are not trying to consciously do it. We just want it to come without out conscious thought. Personally, if I think about it, I will be making a lot of mistakes.

As to why we would like to be able to not bottom out on a regular basis is because it's a different feeling, a different feeling that some of us appreciate a lot.

When I first got my Topre, I was bottoming out quite hard and after a while, it kinds of hurt my finger tips. I type a lot everyday as I summarize all the chapters I read from my textbooks as well as the lectures. And when I'm taking a break every hour, I  do a speedtest just to take my mind off the reading material. On top that, there are essays after essays to write. So, you can imagine how much my fingers would hurt if I was bottoming out hard on the Topre.

One module summary (average) = 1500 words
One chapter summary (average) = 2000 words
Min. of 30 @ 1 minute typing test (average 90 WPM or more) = 2700 words.

On a typical night, I type anything between 4000 to 5000 words. This does not include my e-mails nor comments on geekhack.
Cherry MX Blue: Cherry G80-3000, Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate
Cherry MX Brown: Filco Majestouch, Compaq MX11800
ALPS: AEK, AEK II, Northgate Omnikey Ultra, Matias Tactile Pro 4
Topre: Realforce 103UB
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M 1390120
Previous owned: Unicomp Customizer 104, IBM Model M 1390141, ABS M1

Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #106 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 12:32:28 »
I think patrickgeekhack stated it correctly. We are not trying to not bottom out. I actually bottom out the keys most of the time but lightly. But when you get the grove and you are not bottoming out the keys the keyboard has a completely different feel to it. If you think describing a Topre switch is hard describing the not bottoming out grove is even harder. It is like the Topre switch changes mode or something and it just feels so good. It makes you understand that "Good feeling of oneness with cup rubber" saying printed on every Topre box.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline _js_

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« Reply #107 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 12:58:23 »
Quote from: rdjack21;134584
I think patrickgeekhack stated it correctly. We are not trying to not bottom out. I actually bottom out the keys most of the time but lightly. But when you get the grove and you are not bottoming out the keys the keyboard has a completely different feel to it. If you think describing a Topre switch is hard describing the not bottoming out grove is even harder. It is like the Topre switch changes mode or something and it just feels so good. It makes you understand that "Good feeling of oneness with cup rubber" saying printed on every Topre box.


I too have had this experience.  I often bottom out the keys of my Topre.  Especially when I am just intermittently typing.  But there are times when I'm doing a lot of typing and I just get into the proverbial "groove" and it makes the 103U sing, typing-wise.  It's a beautiful thing!  And it's hard to describe.

I love my 103U.  I read something about "taking the red pill" somewhere, briefly, and I assume that this means that, like in The Matrix, once you do that, you can't go back.  I sort of feel this way about the Topre switch.  It's turned things upside down for me.  I'll definitely cycle my Model M and AEK II back into rotation, and see how I like them after a week or so of use, and I'm going to get a Cherry MX blue board also at some point, but I suspect that, sadly, I have gone down the rabbit hole and am only going to be really satisfied with a Topre keyboard from now on.  We shall see.

As for rubber domes and paying a lot of money and psychology, I have to say that:

1.  There's rubber, and there's rubber.  Many different kinds and qualities of rubber.  And the stuff they use on the Topre must be pretty darned good!  Or at least it feels that way.  I know they spent a lot of time on the design of the rubber dome.  And given the high quality of all the other parts, I suspect that the rubber is also very high quality.

2. Two or three hundred dollars isn't really all that much money if you spend hours every day at a keyboard.  Some of us spend as much time at a keyboard (or more) as most people spend watching TV.  And people think nothing of dropping $200 or $300 on a TV.  It all depends on your particular usage patterns.  If you only hunt and peck to type in an occasional URL or to compose an email, well, then, yeah, a $300 keyboard might not feel like that smart a buying choice.  But if you type hours every day, that is a different story.

3. I don't believe that the notion that spending a lot of money on something necessarily biases you to like it.  It can often do the opposite, in fact.  And, for many people, they know they can turn around and sell the item without too much of a loss, so this sort of negates the "maybe I like it more just 'cause I paid so much for it."  It all depends.
HHKB Pro 2, AEK II

Offline patrickgeekhack

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« Reply #108 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 13:21:42 »
Quote from: _js_;134602

2. Two or three hundred dollars isn't really all that much money if you spend hours every day at a keyboard.  Some of us spend as much time at a keyboard (or more) as most people spend watching TV.  And people think nothing of dropping $200 or $300 on a TV.  It all depends on your particular usage patterns.  If you only hunt and peck to type in an occasional URL or to compose an email, well, then, yeah, a $300 keyboard might not feel like that smart a buying choice.  But if you type hours every day, that is a different story.


Part of me feels that way. I  type a lot in a day. For sure, if I was a hunt and peck user, I would not be on this forum today.
Cherry MX Blue: Cherry G80-3000, Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate
Cherry MX Brown: Filco Majestouch, Compaq MX11800
ALPS: AEK, AEK II, Northgate Omnikey Ultra, Matias Tactile Pro 4
Topre: Realforce 103UB
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M 1390120
Previous owned: Unicomp Customizer 104, IBM Model M 1390141, ABS M1

Offline _js_

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« Reply #109 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 13:28:50 »
Quote from: ripster;134616
Good points.  Also, I don't get emotionally attached to a $200 graphics card.  Never even see the damn thing anymore.


LOL!

Well you might not see the card, but you definitely see the results of the card, working its little ole' heart out for you!  A thankless task, apparently.  hehe.
HHKB Pro 2, AEK II

Offline AndrewZorn

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« Reply #110 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 13:34:22 »
yeah i most definitely remember (favorably, there are others that don't stay with me) my 9800pro and 7900gt and lately 8800gt

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #111 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 13:40:59 »
I'm going to pull a microsoft windows and say that my home PC is still grinding on a 6800gt.


Offline skriefal

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« Reply #112 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 13:57:07 »
I suspect that there are a lot of 6800gt cards still in service.  Now TNT2 Ultra, however... :)

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #113 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 14:03:08 »
I had one of those, too.  That was a great card at the time.  I really liked my 3dfx, too.


Offline ch_123

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« Reply #114 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 14:34:18 »
Quote from: itlnstln;134623
I'm going to pull a microsoft windows and say that my home PC is still grinding on a 6800gt.


I had one of them up until January. They were great cards. The problem with great cards is that they don't stay great cards. After about 2-3 years you end up with a big, energy guzzling and heat dispersing brick that is inferior to even a $50 contemporary. Graphics cards seem to epitomize the consumerist spirit in the computing world, which is why I don't find them nearly as cool as I used to do when I was younger.

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #115 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 14:37:52 »
That is pretty much the case.  My PC tends to heat up the office.  I try to use my laptop for most of my basic computing, but I store my music and stuff on the main rig.  I want to all but retire that one, and move to an ION platform as that's all I need at home.  That, and I want to move all the files I share (music, etc.) to a NAS.


Offline didjamatic

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« Reply #116 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 14:47:27 »
Received a 103u White in the mail today.  I absolutely love it.  I like everything about it from the key weighting to key texture.  The satisfying "thock thock" and the landing.  Typing on this is like butter.  It's very solid, heavy, good construction.

If the esc key on this is 55g like I think it is, I'm not sure i'd like a board that is all 55g keys.  It would be fun, but I think it would be a little stiff.  For me, this seems like the perfect board.  I will know better after I've used it for a while, but my first impression is that this is the "ultimate" board I was hoping for.
IBM F :: IBM M :: Northgate :: Cherry G80 :: Realforce :: DAS 4

Offline AndrewZorn

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« Reply #117 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 14:48:18 »
well, alien vs predator 3 is having dedicated servers once again
still multi platform though

Offline alpslover

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« Reply #118 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 14:51:44 »
Quote from: didjamatic;134655
If the esc key on this is 55g like I think it is, I'm not sure i'd like a board that is all 55g keys.


num lock should also be 55g.  it is on my 101, at least.  but i agree, 55g is a bit much.  i find 45g to be just about right.

Offline maxlugar

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« Reply #119 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 14:54:39 »
Quote from: ripster;134659
CONGRATS!  Thread back on track.  

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What? the threads back on track?  This is totally unacceptable and contrary to the norms established on geekhack.org
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #120 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 14:55:11 »
I would be less hesitant to jump on the Topre bandwagon if there were a Realforce that were all 45g.  I am not too crazy about the HHKB's layout, so that one is out.  Who knows, though.  If I try one someday and I like it, I might just grab one.  For now, I am happy with my Cherry browns.


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« Reply #121 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 14:57:03 »
Quote from: ripster;134659
CONGRATS! Thread back on track.
 
Hey, wait a second. Didn't you just get a couple of Filcos too. Wow, who's your SugarMama?
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Wow.  It looks like Mrs. McCain's face was 'Shopped.  The sad thing is, it isn't.


Offline wordfool

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« Reply #122 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 15:03:00 »
It looks like both their heads were 'shopped.
Filco TKL and Minila Air (browns) the daily drivers. Black M13 gathering dust. Former Realforce 103U afficionado

Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #123 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 15:44:27 »
Quote from: maxlugar;134662
What? the threads back on track?  This is totally unacceptable and contrary to the norms established on geekhack.org


But didn't you get the mail? We are not allowed to send ripster's threads off on a tangent or he will close it. But of course he is allowed to send things off on tangents all he wants on our threads.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline AndrewZorn

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« Reply #124 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 15:45:58 »
okay, so it was ripster... i had no idea he was even a mod.  until then i didnt even know geekhack HAD mods.

i even made an error and couldn't edit it... wellington gave me an M13, not the fukka.

Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #125 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 15:47:11 »
Quote from: itlnstln;134663
I would be less hesitant to jump on the Topre bandwagon if there were a Realforce that were all 45g.  I am not too crazy about the HHKB's layout, so that one is out.  Who knows, though.  If I try one someday and I like it, I might just grab one.  For now, I am happy with my Cherry browns.


You can always do ripster's mod to make all the alpha keys 45g. But I have to say having both a uniform 45g board and a weighted board (35/45/55 & 30/45/55) I really can't tell the difference with my pinky fingers. Once you learn not to rest them on the keyboard that is.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline ch_123

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« Reply #126 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 15:48:19 »
Quote from: AndrewZorn;134695
okay, so it was ripster... i had no idea he was even a mod.  until then i didnt even know geekhack HAD mods.

i even made an error and couldn't edit it... wellington gave me an M13, not the fukka.


You can close your own threads. iMav is the only mod/admin, as he is the one who founded Geekhack.

Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #127 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 15:49:06 »
Quote from: AndrewZorn;134695
okay, so it was ripster... i had no idea he was even a mod.  until then i didnt even know geekhack HAD mods.

i even made an error and couldn't edit it... wellington gave me an M13, not the fukka.


The tread starter can close the thread. In the particular thread we are talking about ripster started it so he could close it.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #128 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 15:54:06 »
Quote from: didjamatic;134655
Received a 103u White in the mail today.  I absolutely love it.  I like everything about it from the key weighting to key texture.  The satisfying "thock thock" and the landing.  Typing on this is like butter.  It's very solid, heavy, good construction.

If the esc key on this is 55g like I think it is, I'm not sure i'd like a board that is all 55g keys.  It would be fun, but I think it would be a little stiff.  For me, this seems like the perfect board.  I will know better after I've used it for a while, but my first impression is that this is the "ultimate" board I was hoping for.


I'm glad you like it right out of the box :) For some the Topre has to grow on them. Besides if you like it now you will really like it after a few weeks of adjustment. It took me about a month to adjust to mine but then again I came off a BS board so it took a little while before I developed a lighter touch. I still bottom the keys out but only lightly instead of really banging on them like I did at first.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #129 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 15:59:11 »
Quote from: rdjack21;134694
But didn't you get the mail? We are not allowed to send ripster's threads off on a tangent or he will close it. But of course he is allowed to send things off on tangents all he wants on our threads.

I don't think it had anything to do with going off topic.


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« Reply #130 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 16:03:02 »
In that case no, but it seems to be a trend in other threads though. Albeit not necessarily with the closing.

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« Reply #131 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 16:09:21 »
I just went to lock my pc and realized there is no right windows key.  I usually do a 1 handed win-L to lock my workstation as I slide away from my PC using the right windows key.... I guess this board does have 1 shortcoming for my use.

I have noticed I bump keys when resting my pinkies on them but I can get used to that.

Is the 87u the only Realforce with 2 Win keys?
IBM F :: IBM M :: Northgate :: Cherry G80 :: Realforce :: DAS 4

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #132 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 16:09:25 »
Quote from: ch_123;134709
In that case no, but it seems to be a trend in other threads though. Albeit not necessarily with the closing.

That's true, and I'm partly to blame.  I think, in general, that there is a natural topic drift when we start comparing one keyboard to another and talk about this feature and that.  On the other hand, it doesn't help when I make a stupid joke, or post something completely off topic, and derail the whole thread.  I appologize for that.


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« Reply #133 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 16:23:05 »
Quote from: didjamatic;134715
I just went to lock my pc and realized there is no right windows key.  I usually do a 1 handed win-L to lock my workstation as I slide away from my PC using the right windows key.... I guess this board does have 1 shortcoming for my use.

I have noticed I bump keys when resting my pinkies on them but I can get used to that.

Is the 87u the only Realforce with 2 Win keys?

The pinky keys have caused many people issues ripster disliked it so much he cut and moved some 45g domes to the pinky keys. I just got used to it and have learned to not rest my pinky on the keyboard any more so I don't get the ;;;;;;;;;;;;; or aaaaaaaaaaa issue any more.

The other Realforce boards with two Win keys have Japanese layouts. The 103U has not been updated in quit some time.

EDIT: The above is incorrect the 87U is currently the only board with Win keys on both sides of the space bar. I thought the 91U had 2 Win keys but it is like the 103U.
« Last Edit: Sat, 21 November 2009, 00:07:04 by rdjack21 »
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline patrickgeekhack

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« Reply #134 on: Fri, 20 November 2009, 23:08:56 »
At the beginning I was getting aaaaaa, not anymore. The absence of right Windows key does not affect me, but I can understand why those who use would have like to have it.
Cherry MX Blue: Cherry G80-3000, Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate
Cherry MX Brown: Filco Majestouch, Compaq MX11800
ALPS: AEK, AEK II, Northgate Omnikey Ultra, Matias Tactile Pro 4
Topre: Realforce 103UB
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M 1390120
Previous owned: Unicomp Customizer 104, IBM Model M 1390141, ABS M1

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« Reply #135 on: Tue, 01 December 2009, 18:25:05 »
For the past month, I have been using my Topre and my Filco with brown Cherries almost exclusively. The Filco at work and the Topre at home. After a month, I tried my Customizer, AT101W, and ABS M1 and they all seem to have very very heavy switches, more for the Customizer.

Very often, those who have never tried a Topre would ask how different the Topre is from a rubber dome since it has rubber domes inside. One of the main differences I've seen is that on cheap rubber dome keyboads, the pastic is not very strong and sturdy so that when you keep pressing on the keys, you have the impression that it going deeper and deeper. With the Topre, once you hit the bottom, that's it, you are not going any farther. You don't get that annoying friction noise once you've hit the bottom. It's hard to explain and I hope I did a good job explaining this in words.
Cherry MX Blue: Cherry G80-3000, Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate
Cherry MX Brown: Filco Majestouch, Compaq MX11800
ALPS: AEK, AEK II, Northgate Omnikey Ultra, Matias Tactile Pro 4
Topre: Realforce 103UB
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M 1390120
Previous owned: Unicomp Customizer 104, IBM Model M 1390141, ABS M1

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« Reply #136 on: Tue, 01 December 2009, 20:14:53 »
Punch the keys for god's sake!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.
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« Reply #137 on: Tue, 01 December 2009, 21:26:00 »
Quote from: patrickgeekhack;137867
For the past month, I have been using my Topre and my Filco with brown Cherries almost exclusively. The Filco at work and the Topre at home. After a month, I tried my Customizer, AT101W, and ABS M1 and they all seem to have very very heavy switches, more for the Customizer.


After using my Topre boards for a few months I did the same (Model M, White Alps, ABS M1) and like you I found the switches way to heavy for me to use any more.

I've pretty much sold off my heavy switch boards other than my BS boards. And any new boards I purchase now are all lighter boards. The heaviest board that I currently type on a regular basis is my short throw Topre which has 55g keys. I don't think I could type on anything much heaver than that for very long any more.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline patrickgeekhack

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« Reply #138 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 05:59:04 »
Quote from: PRISONER 24601;137902
Punch the keys for god's sake!


Trust me, I tried. But, it was relatively painful for my wrists.
Cherry MX Blue: Cherry G80-3000, Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate
Cherry MX Brown: Filco Majestouch, Compaq MX11800
ALPS: AEK, AEK II, Northgate Omnikey Ultra, Matias Tactile Pro 4
Topre: Realforce 103UB
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M 1390120
Previous owned: Unicomp Customizer 104, IBM Model M 1390141, ABS M1

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« Reply #139 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 06:01:22 »
Quote from: rdjack21;137908
After using my Topre boards for a few months I did the same (Model M, White Alps, ABS M1) and like you I found the switches way to heavy for me to use any more.

I've pretty much sold off my heavy switch boards other than my BS boards. And any new boards I purchase now are all lighter boards. The heaviest board that I currently type on a regular basis is my short throw Topre which has 55g keys. I don't think I could type on anything much heaver than that for very long any more.


That's my exact feeling. That being said, I find it hard to sell my keybaords LOL. In that sense I'm a hoarder. I think the market is also different in Canada.
Cherry MX Blue: Cherry G80-3000, Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate
Cherry MX Brown: Filco Majestouch, Compaq MX11800
ALPS: AEK, AEK II, Northgate Omnikey Ultra, Matias Tactile Pro 4
Topre: Realforce 103UB
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M 1390120
Previous owned: Unicomp Customizer 104, IBM Model M 1390141, ABS M1

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« Reply #140 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 09:42:26 »
Quote from: patrickgeekhack;137954
That's my exact feeling. That being said, I find it hard to sell my keybaords LOL. In that sense I'm a hoarder. I think the market is also different in Canada.


Yea I know what you mean that is why I still have my BS boards. Even though I don't use them I can't bring myself to sell them off. I just was not as attached to my White Alps or the Blue cherry boards I did sell off.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

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« Reply #141 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 09:47:27 »
Quote from: rdjack21;138004
Yea I know what you mean that is why I still have my BS boards. Even though I don't use them I can't bring myself to sell them off. I just was not as attached to my White Alps or the Blue cherry boards I did sell off.


And then there's the ABS which no one really wants anyway...lol
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White ALPS: Northgate Omnikey 101-NCS(Real-Complicated)****Filco Zero FKBN87Z/EB(Fukka Simplifieds)****Siig MiniTouch(XM Simplifieds)
Black ALPS: Black Dell AT-101W(Real-Complicated)****ABS M1(Modded Black ALPS, Linear)
Buckling Spring: Model M 1391401(1988 & 1993)
Cherry Blues: DAS III Pro
Cherry Blacks: Cherry G80-11900
Cherry Browns: 3X Cherry G80-8113LRCUS-2
Cherry MY: G81-7000HPBUS-2****G81-3000LANUS-0****Modded to 20g
Rubber Dome: HHKB Lite 2 (White & Black)

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« Reply #142 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 09:48:16 »
I would like to sell some of my keyboards, but when I go through my relatively small collection, there isn't any I want to let go of.  I want to keep my Ms for sentimental value (and I might want to use them some day), and my Northgate is fairly rare.  I would sell my ABSs, but you can get a new one for so cheap these days, that  I don't think anyone would want to buy them.  Same for the Dells (I would probably give those away, anyway).


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« Reply #143 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 09:48:47 »
Quote from: erricrice;138008
And then there's the ABS which no one really wants anyway...lol

Hah, just before I got mine in.


Offline patrickgeekhack

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« Reply #144 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 10:38:53 »
Quote from: itlnstln;138009
I would like to sell some of my keyboards, but when I go through my relatively small collection, there isn't any I want to let go of.  I want to keep my Ms for sentimental value (and I might want to use them some day), and my Northgate is fairly rare.  I would sell my ABSs, but you can get a new one for so cheap these days, that  I don't think anyone would want to buy them.  Same for the Dells (I would probably give those away, anyway).


Sometimes it's easier to give than to sell, and sometimes giving makes me feel better than selling. Also, I'm sure my daughter will kill some keyboards when she gets older :-) Maybe I should buy her one of these keyboards for smaller hands so that she can start typing properly right from the beginning.  

The good thing is I have only one of each except for the blue Cherries G80. This gives me the impression that I am just like any collector and I'm not any different from someone collecting shot glasses or whatever...
Cherry MX Blue: Cherry G80-3000, Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate
Cherry MX Brown: Filco Majestouch, Compaq MX11800
ALPS: AEK, AEK II, Northgate Omnikey Ultra, Matias Tactile Pro 4
Topre: Realforce 103UB
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M 1390120
Previous owned: Unicomp Customizer 104, IBM Model M 1390141, ABS M1

Offline patrickgeekhack

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« Reply #145 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 11:47:25 »
Quote from: erricrice;138008
And then there's the ABS which no one really wants anyway...lol


I liked mine when I got it, but the noise level was a bit too much for the office or typing at night. At home, it was not a problem as long as I was using it during the day, but since I do most of my home typing at night or very very early in the morning, it soon became annoying for my wife.
Cherry MX Blue: Cherry G80-3000, Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate
Cherry MX Brown: Filco Majestouch, Compaq MX11800
ALPS: AEK, AEK II, Northgate Omnikey Ultra, Matias Tactile Pro 4
Topre: Realforce 103UB
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M 1390120
Previous owned: Unicomp Customizer 104, IBM Model M 1390141, ABS M1

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« Reply #146 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 12:47:30 »
Quote from: patrickgeekhack;138042
I liked mine when I got it, but the noise level was a bit too much for the office or typing at night. At home, it was not a problem as long as I was using it during the day, but since I do most of my home typing at night or very very early in the morning, it soon became annoying for my wife.

I liked mine when I got it, too, but then I found Cherry switches.


Offline patrickgeekhack

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« Reply #147 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 12:56:35 »
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I liked mine when I got it, too, but then I found Cherry switches.


It's a good thing spouses don't view each other like keyboards, isn't it? :-)
Cherry MX Blue: Cherry G80-3000, Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate
Cherry MX Brown: Filco Majestouch, Compaq MX11800
ALPS: AEK, AEK II, Northgate Omnikey Ultra, Matias Tactile Pro 4
Topre: Realforce 103UB
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M 1390120
Previous owned: Unicomp Customizer 104, IBM Model M 1390141, ABS M1

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« Reply #148 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 13:06:45 »
"It's a good thing spouses don't view each other like keyboards, isn't it? :-)"

Go tell that to Tiger's wife!

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« Reply #149 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 13:49:09 »
Could someone please tell me what I need to know about Tiger and his wife? I have no clue :-) I watch television for about half an hour daily while and about two hours on Saturdays (soccer). That's it.
Cherry MX Blue: Cherry G80-3000, Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate
Cherry MX Brown: Filco Majestouch, Compaq MX11800
ALPS: AEK, AEK II, Northgate Omnikey Ultra, Matias Tactile Pro 4
Topre: Realforce 103UB
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M 1390120
Previous owned: Unicomp Customizer 104, IBM Model M 1390141, ABS M1