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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 12:03:21 »
If you really want to see some of the things involved with Model M restoration, feel free to look at my gallery as well.

http://snowdog993.imgur.com/

There are some models that I couldn't restore, and I had to send those particular keyboards to Phosphorglow.  Well worth it to ME, but not everybody.

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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 18:48:41 »
If you really want to see some of the things involved with Model M restoration, feel free to look at my gallery as well.

http://snowdog993.imgur.com/

There are some models that I couldn't restore, and I had to send those particular keyboards to Phosphorglow.  Well worth it to ME, but not everybody.


Are you referring to restoring models that weren't working properly or for some other reason?
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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #52 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 21:30:53 »

Are you referring to restoring models that weren't working properly or for some other reason?

Simple enough.  I failed doing a bolt-mod, and got a referral to Maxx from Phosphorglow from Brandon at ClickyKeyboards.com.  All the bolt-modded keyboards I have are done by Phosphorglow.  The Lexmark SSK has the LED mod done by Phosphorglow as well.  My other keyboards I have done on my own.  I gave credit to every keyboard Phosphorglow has done for me.  I highly recommend him.

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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #53 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 21:58:35 »

I gave credit to every keyboard Phosphorglow has done for me.  I highly recommend him.


I don't know what he charges, but it is a fussy, tedious job.

It is no harder, probably easier than doing a Model F, but not nearly so satisfying.
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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #54 on: Sat, 12 December 2015, 08:31:55 »
It is no harder, probably easier than doing a Model F, but not nearly so satisfying.

No way.  An F is simple.  M is a much bigger pain in the ass.
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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #55 on: Sat, 12 December 2015, 08:34:34 »
That micro M pic always makes me happy

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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #56 on: Sat, 12 December 2015, 09:24:46 »
No way.  An F is simple.  M is a much bigger pain in the ass.

When I do an F, I always "go all the way" and clean every single part, strip and paint the plate, paint the bottom pan, cut new foam, floss mod, etc.

All that adds up to a lot more hours, and usually several days if you are waiting for paint to cure 24 hours between coats.

Not to mention fitting and wiring in a Teensy, if that is part of the program. With an M you are mostly just taking it all apart and putting it all back together.
"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
- Marc Sumner 2025-05-30

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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #57 on: Sat, 12 December 2015, 11:20:38 »
No way.  An F is simple.  M is a much bigger pain in the ass.

With an M you are mostly just taking it all apart and putting it all back together.

Not if you're doing a bolt mod.

It may be more time consuming to fully refurb an F, but there's no step involved comparable to bolt modding of an M. 
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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #58 on: Sat, 12 December 2015, 14:36:55 »
No way.  An F is simple.  M is a much bigger pain in the ass.

When I do an F, I always "go all the way" and clean every single part, strip and paint the plate, paint the bottom pan, cut new foam, floss mod, etc.

All that adds up to a lot more hours, and usually several days if you are waiting for paint to cure 24 hours between coats.

Not to mention fitting and wiring in a Teensy, if that is part of the program. With an M you are mostly just taking it all apart and putting it all back together.


If I recall, you stated in a previous thread that you no longer recommend bolt modding a 122-key Model F, though I forget the reason why.
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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #59 on: Sat, 12 December 2015, 22:52:36 »
If I recall, you stated in a previous thread that you no longer recommend bolt modding a 122-key Model F, though I forget the reason why.

Out of frustration on my first F-122, and since I had done enough M bolt-mods that they were no longer intimidating, I drilled about 8-10 holes around in places where they seemed appropriate and then cut off the tabs, since they were giving me the trouble. I used 4-40x1/2" machine screws and nuts with washers, and the results were pleasing.

Afterwards, on the 2nd try, I got my holes off a bit and they did not work properly, so I deprecated the procedure and recommend leaving the tabs in place to ensure accurate alignment of all the plates. With low-end equipment, a hole drilled in metal plate and off by 1/4 of a diameter is almost impossible to rectify.

I do, however, always add 2-3 bolts along the center of curvature of any Model F that I refurbish and I believe that it does a lot for stability, and is particularly helpful if you have replaced the foam with something firmer. I don't know whether the plates get "un-sprung" when you take them apart, but pulling them snug in the center seems to make everything much better. A couple of times, there were several keys that did not work at all until I cranked them down tight.
"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
- Marc Sumner 2025-05-30

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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #60 on: Sat, 12 December 2015, 22:54:25 »

With an M you are mostly just taking it all apart and putting it all back together and adding bolts.


Not if you're doing a bolt mod.

It may be more time consuming to fully refurb an F, but there's no step involved comparable to bolt modding of an M. 


"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
- Marc Sumner 2025-05-30

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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #61 on: Sat, 12 December 2015, 23:23:57 »

With an M you are mostly just taking it all apart and putting it all back together and adding bolts.


Not if you're doing a bolt mod.

It may be more time consuming to fully refurb an F, but there's no step involved comparable to bolt modding of an M. 


I am gonna let you guys talk about it like it's a walk in the park.  There's quite a bit involved with doing a bolt mod for a Model M.  I'd rather have Maxx do it for a fair, reasonable price.

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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 13 December 2015, 09:42:40 »

I am gonna let you guys talk about it like it's a walk in the park.


If anyone got that impression from my comments, then they clearly took them the wrong way. Bolt-modding an M is a tedious, fussy job that is always frustrating.

After doing it a few times, however, it is no longer intimidating, but still just as tedious.
"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
- Marc Sumner 2025-05-30

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Re: Unicomp Keyboard.
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 14 December 2015, 00:45:25 »
Great info on the bolt-mods.  Thank you both!