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Model M vs. F Spacebars
« on: Sun, 17 January 2016, 19:58:31 »
Is the Model M spacebar lighter than the unmodified F (AT) spacebar?
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 17 January 2016, 20:43:38 »
Sure, the XT and AT spacebars are a mile long and have weird "under-carriages" for stabilizers.

The F-122, on the other hand, is the same size as the M spacebar and feels lighter.
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 17 January 2016, 22:38:39 »
Sure, the XT and AT spacebars are a mile long and have weird "under-carriages" for stabilizers.

The F-122, on the other hand, is the same size as the M spacebar and feels lighter.

Same thing with the Unsaver space bar, and while the Xtant does use an M spacebar, it requires more work and modding to make the stab wire work.

What style does the 4704's use?
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 18 January 2016, 06:48:03 »
the F XT spacebar is a monster. whenever i switch from any keyboard the the F XT, i will consciously have to push the spacebar down with enough force until i am used to it again.
i presume the AT spacebar is no different.
the F122, like fohat mentioned, is a different story. very light! :)
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 18 January 2016, 07:36:29 »
What style does the 4704's use?

Same style as the M spacebar. Would do a weight comparison but my 4704's spacebar is a PITA to reseat sometimes.
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 18 January 2016, 08:11:58 »
My experience is that the terminal Fs (F-122, 4704, Unsaver) have spacebars physically similar to standar M but use thinner stabilizer wires that attach through holes in the spacebar underside rather than "C" shaped clips, and the hold-downs pressed into the front plate are much smaller with narrower mouths. The wires are also shorter, the M wires slide up very close to the base of the barrels when full depressed.
Were our leaders just stupid? Well, maybe. But there’s a deeper explanation of the profoundly self-destructive behavior of Trump and his allies: They were all members of America’s cult of selfishness. You see, the modern US right is committed to the proposition that greed is good, that we’re all better off when individuals engage in the untrammeled pursuit of self-interest. In their vision, unrestricted profit maximization by businesses and unregulated consumer choice is the recipe for a good society.
Support for this proposition is, if anything, more emotional than intellectual. I’ve long been struck by the intensity of right-wing anger against relatively trivial regulations, like bans on phosphates in detergent and efficiency standards for light bulbs. It’s the principle of the thing: Many on the right are enraged at any suggestion that their actions should take other people’s welfare into account. This rage is sometimes portrayed as love of freedom. But people who insist on the right to pollute are notably unbothered by, say, federal agents tear-gassing peaceful protesters. What they call “freedom” is actually absence of responsibility.
Rational policy in a pandemic, however, is all about taking responsibility. The main reason you shouldn’t go to a bar and should wear a mask isn’t self-protection, although that’s part of it; the point is that congregating in noisy, crowded spaces or exhaling droplets into shared air puts others at risk. And that’s the kind of thing America’s right just hates, hates to hear. Anger at any suggestion of social responsibility also helps explain the looming fiscal catastrophe.  – Paul Krugman 2020-07-28 NYT

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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 18 January 2016, 21:22:05 »
Pictures always help.  Top one is Model M, bottom two are Model F - could be F122 or 4704 (they are the same).

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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 02:25:44 »
My experience is that the terminal Fs (F-122, 4704, Unsaver) have spacebars physically similar to standar M but use thinner stabilizer wires that attach through holes in the spacebar underside rather than "C" shaped clips
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:05:02 »
Pictures always help.  Top one is Model M, bottom two are Model F - could be F122 or 4704 (they are the same).


After all of these things that I have re-built, I never realized that the F had those little stand-off legs at the front until I looked at this photo.
Obviously they keep it from going down as far as the M, and that is why the tabs are farther forward on the F.
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Were our leaders just stupid? Well, maybe. But there’s a deeper explanation of the profoundly self-destructive behavior of Trump and his allies: They were all members of America’s cult of selfishness. You see, the modern US right is committed to the proposition that greed is good, that we’re all better off when individuals engage in the untrammeled pursuit of self-interest. In their vision, unrestricted profit maximization by businesses and unregulated consumer choice is the recipe for a good society.
Support for this proposition is, if anything, more emotional than intellectual. I’ve long been struck by the intensity of right-wing anger against relatively trivial regulations, like bans on phosphates in detergent and efficiency standards for light bulbs. It’s the principle of the thing: Many on the right are enraged at any suggestion that their actions should take other people’s welfare into account. This rage is sometimes portrayed as love of freedom. But people who insist on the right to pollute are notably unbothered by, say, federal agents tear-gassing peaceful protesters. What they call “freedom” is actually absence of responsibility.
Rational policy in a pandemic, however, is all about taking responsibility. The main reason you shouldn’t go to a bar and should wear a mask isn’t self-protection, although that’s part of it; the point is that congregating in noisy, crowded spaces or exhaling droplets into shared air puts others at risk. And that’s the kind of thing America’s right just hates, hates to hear. Anger at any suggestion of social responsibility also helps explain the looming fiscal catastrophe.  – Paul Krugman 2020-07-28 NYT

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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 10:38:53 »
Sure, the XT and AT spacebars are a mile long and have weird "under-carriages" for stabilizers.

The F-122, on the other hand, is the same size as the M spacebar and feels lighter.


Same thing with the Unsaver space bar, and while the Xtant does use an M spacebar, it requires more work and modding to make the stab wire work.

What style does the 4704's use?


same as the f122



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