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Model M vs. F Spacebars
« on: Sun, 17 January 2016, 19:58:31 »
Is the Model M spacebar lighter than the unmodified F (AT) spacebar?
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 17 January 2016, 20:43:38 »
Sure, the XT and AT spacebars are a mile long and have weird "under-carriages" for stabilizers.

The F-122, on the other hand, is the same size as the M spacebar and feels lighter.
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 17 January 2016, 22:38:39 »
Quote from: fohat.digs on Sun, 17 January 2016, 20:43:38
Sure, the XT and AT spacebars are a mile long and have weird "under-carriages" for stabilizers.

The F-122, on the other hand, is the same size as the M spacebar and feels lighter.

Same thing with the Unsaver space bar, and while the Xtant does use an M spacebar, it requires more work and modding to make the stab wire work.

What style does the 4704's use?
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 18 January 2016, 06:48:03 »
the F XT spacebar is a monster. whenever i switch from any keyboard the the F XT, i will consciously have to push the spacebar down with enough force until i am used to it again.
i presume the AT spacebar is no different.
the F122, like fohat mentioned, is a different story. very light! :)
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 18 January 2016, 07:36:29 »
Quote from: Melvang on Sun, 17 January 2016, 22:38:39
What style does the 4704's use?

Same style as the M spacebar. Would do a weight comparison but my 4704's spacebar is a PITA to reseat sometimes.
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 18 January 2016, 08:11:58 »
My experience is that the terminal Fs (F-122, 4704, Unsaver) have spacebars physically similar to standar M but use thinner stabilizer wires that attach through holes in the spacebar underside rather than "C" shaped clips, and the hold-downs pressed into the front plate are much smaller with narrower mouths. The wires are also shorter, the M wires slide up very close to the base of the barrels when full depressed.
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 18 January 2016, 21:22:05 »
Pictures always help.  Top one is Model M, bottom two are Model F - could be F122 or 4704 (they are the same).

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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 02:25:44 »
Quote from: fohat.digs on Mon, 18 January 2016, 08:11:58
My experience is that the terminal Fs (F-122, 4704, Unsaver) have spacebars physically similar to standar M but use thinner stabilizer wires that attach through holes in the spacebar underside rather than "C" shaped clips
My F122 does Oo . And predictably, it's broken! xD
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:05:02 »
Quote from: 0100010 on Mon, 18 January 2016, 21:22:05
Pictures always help.  Top one is Model M, bottom two are Model F - could be F122 or 4704 (they are the same).


After all of these things that I have re-built, I never realized that the F had those little stand-off legs at the front until I looked at this photo.
Obviously they keep it from going down as far as the M, and that is why the tabs are farther forward on the F.
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That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
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Re: Model M vs. F Spacebars
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 10:38:53 »
Quote from: Melvang on Sun, 17 January 2016, 22:38:39
Quote from: fohat.digs on Sun, 17 January 2016, 20:43:38
Sure, the XT and AT spacebars are a mile long and have weird "under-carriages" for stabilizers.

The F-122, on the other hand, is the same size as the M spacebar and feels lighter.


Same thing with the Unsaver space bar, and while the Xtant does use an M spacebar, it requires more work and modding to make the stab wire work.

What style does the 4704's use?


same as the f122

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