[IC] GMK Carbon

[ddot]

i am human

I disagree.  No mortal human comes up with sets this awesome!

Any chance the standard sized spacebars can get broken out?  I'd love to pick up a couple extra of those, but I don't really need a whole stockpile of the small ones.  Might not be possible if this it what it takes to reach MOQ, but just a thought.

[T0mb3ry]

i am human

I disagree.  No mortal human comes up with sets this awesome!

Any chance the standard sized spacebars can get broken out?  I'd love to pick up a couple extra of those, but I don't really need a whole stockpile of the small ones.  Might not be possible if this it what it takes to reach MOQ, but just a thought.

Lol thanks!

The problem by splitting it up is actually the moq. This is more a strategic decision and thus i'd like to take VE.A users into the boat. The goal is to rpovide the spacebars for everybody. Anyway if all other users think different in this regard then just reply here. With enough votes i'll react properly. Thats why i make here this IC still.

Since we reached the next page in this thread i'd like to post the addons again so you dont need to page back.

ISO


SPACEBARS


COMMUNITY KIT

[duynguyenle]

i am human

I disagree.  No mortal human comes up with sets this awesome!

Any chance the standard sized spacebars can get broken out?  I'd love to pick up a couple extra of those, but I don't really need a whole stockpile of the small ones.  Might not be possible if this it what it takes to reach MOQ, but just a thought.

Lol thanks!

The problem by splitting it up is actually the moq. This is more a strategic decision and thus i'd like to take VE.A users into the boat. The goal is to rpovide the spacebars for everybody. Anyway if all other users think different in this regard then just reply here. With enough votes i'll react properly. Thats why i make here this IC still.

Since we reached the next page in this thread i'd like to post the addons again so you dont need to page back.

ISO

Show Image

SPACEBARS

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COMMUNITY KIT

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Can only speak for ISO-UK, but I'm happy to report that all 6 non-ANSI alphas to cover UK layout are spoken for, thanks Tombery!

[arhetue]

looks delicious.

[soilheart]

Ok i've talked to Yanbo again. Those should drop pretty soonish. So please check for errors. I take suggestions for the next 24 hours. Just as reminder i do not take any other languages for the iso kit else it will become to expensive. Its just basic norde + uk iso kit and nothing crazy. So please check only for signs and legends errors since i am human and thus i predestined to make errors .

This doesn't really matter that much to me personally, but the Swedish keyboard layout actually have two € locations. AltGr-E and AltGr-5. (I think that AltGr-5 was the initial position as it would naturally fall after the Swedish way of writing $€, but when other layouts started using AltGr-E that was added too in most OS:es).

Otherwise everything looks good for Swedish from what I can see.

[salasource]

ISO looks good to me! And I'm very happy to see 6U spacebar, but not as happy as to see GMK ISO international happening (willing to buy 1+ sets).

[maximm]

ISO looks awesome! Is it still MOQ 150 because im not sure if thats possible. 75 would be a stretch.

[Trouhel]

Below is a computer produced listing of the 49 keycaps to be added to the alphanumeric ANSI set to cover the following languages: uk,de,dk,no,se. It follows the order used in T0mb3ry's GMK Carbon 46 keys ISO kit rendering. Values between parenthesis are ISO key designations.

01 R1 ` ¬ ¦   uk(E00)
02 R1 2 "     uk(E02)
03 R1 3 £     uk(E03)
04 R1 4 $ €   uk(E04)
05 R1 ˆ °     de(E00)
06 R1 2 " ²   de(E02)
07 R1 3 § ³   de(E03)
08 R1 6 &     de(E06),no(E06),se(E06),dk(E06)
09 R1 7 / {   de(E07),no(E07),se(E07),dk(E07)
10 R1 8 ( [   de(E08),no(E08),se(E08),dk(E08)
11 R1 9 ) ]   de(E09),no(E09),se(E09),dk(E09)
12 R1 0 = }   de(E10),no(E10),se(E10),dk(E10)
13 R1 ß ? \   de(E11)
14 R1 ´ `     de(E12),se(E12)
15 R1 § ½     se(E00)
16 R1 2 " @   no(E02),se(E02),dk(E02)
17 R1 3 # £   no(E03),se(E03),dk(E03)
18 R1 4 ¤ $   no(E04),se(E04),dk(E04)
19 R1 5 % €   se(E05)
20 R1 + ? \   se(E11)
21 R1 ½ §     dk(E00)
22 R1 + ?     no(E11),dk(E11)
23 R1 ´ ` |   dk(E12)
24 R1 | §     no(E00)
25 R1 \ ` ´   no(E12)
26 R2    Q @   de(D01)
27 R2    E €   de(D03),no(D03),se(D03),dk(D03)
28 R2    Z     de(D06)
29 R2    Ü     de(D11)
30 R2 + * ~   de(D12)
31 R2    Å     no(D11),se(D11),dk(D11)
32 R2 ¨ ˆ ˜   no(D12),se(D12),dk(D12)
33 R3    Ö     de(C10),se(C10)
34 R3    Ä     de(C11),se(C11)
35 R3 # '     de(C12)
36 R3 ' @     uk(C11)
37 R3 # ~     uk(C12)
38 R3    Ø     no(C10),dk(C11)
39 R3    Æ     no(C11),dk(C10)
40 R3 ' *     no(C12),se(C12),dk(C12)
41 R4 \ |     uk(B00)
42 R4 < > |   de(B00),se(B00)
43 R4    Y     de(B01)
44 R4    M µ   de(B07),no(B07),se(B07),dk(B07)
45 R4 , ;     de(B08),no(B08),se(B08),dk(B08)
46 R4 . :     de(B09),no(B09),se(B09),dk(B09)
47 R4 - _     de(B10),no(B10),se(B10),dk(B10)
48 R4 < >     no(B00)
49 R4 < > \   dk(B00)

It contains 3 additional keys: R1 5 % € se(E05) has already been mentioned in soilheart's previous post, while R3 # ' de(C12) and R4 < > | de(B00) are part of GMK Carbon "ISO US" kit. Thus, if my custom software is not buggy, it validates T0mb3ry's kit.

Hope this helps.+

[T0mb3ry]

Below is a computer produced listing of the 49 keycaps to be added to the alphanumeric ANSI set to cover the following languages: uk,de,dk,no,se. It follows the order used in T0mb3ry's GMK Carbon 46 keys ISO kit rendering. Values between parenthesis are ISO key designations.

01 R1 ` ¬ ¦   uk(E00)
02 R1 2 "     uk(E02)
03 R1 3 £     uk(E03)
04 R1 4 $ €   uk(E04)
05 R1 ˆ °     de(E00)
06 R1 2 " ²   de(E02)
07 R1 3 § ³   de(E03)
08 R1 6 &     de(E06),no(E06),se(E06),dk(E06)
09 R1 7 / {   de(E07),no(E07),se(E07),dk(E07)
10 R1 8 ( [   de(E08),no(E08),se(E08),dk(E08)
11 R1 9 ) ]   de(E09),no(E09),se(E09),dk(E09)
12 R1 0 = }   de(E10),no(E10),se(E10),dk(E10)
13 R1 ß ? \   de(E11)
14 R1 ´ `     de(E12),se(E12)
15 R1 § ½     se(E00)
16 R1 2 " @   no(E02),se(E02),dk(E02)
17 R1 3 # £   no(E03),se(E03),dk(E03)
18 R1 4 ¤ $   no(E04),se(E04),dk(E04)
19 R1 5 % €   se(E05)
20 R1 + ? \   se(E11)
21 R1 ½ §     dk(E00)
22 R1 + ?     no(E11),dk(E11)
23 R1 ´ ` |   dk(E12)
24 R1 | §     no(E00)
25 R1 \ ` ´   no(E12)
26 R2    Q @   de(D01)
27 R2    E €   de(D03),no(D03),se(D03),dk(D03)
28 R2    Z     de(D06)
29 R2    Ü     de(D11)
30 R2 + * ~   de(D12)
31 R2    Å     no(D11),se(D11),dk(D11)
32 R2 ¨ ˆ ˜   no(D12),se(D12),dk(D12)
33 R3    Ö     de(C10),se(C10)
34 R3    Ä     de(C11),se(C11)
35 R3 # '     de(C12)
36 R3 ' @     uk(C11)
37 R3 # ~     uk(C12)
38 R3    Ø     no(C10),dk(C11)
39 R3    Æ     no(C11),dk(C10)
40 R3 ' *     no(C12),se(C12),dk(C12)
41 R4 \ |     uk(B00)
42 R4 < > |   de(B00),se(B00)
43 R4    Y     de(B01)
44 R4    M µ   de(B07),no(B07),se(B07),dk(B07)
45 R4 , ;     de(B08),no(B08),se(B08),dk(B08)
46 R4 . :     de(B09),no(B09),se(B09),dk(B09)
47 R4 - _     de(B10),no(B10),se(B10),dk(B10)
48 R4 < >     no(B00)
49 R4 < > \   dk(B00)

It contains 3 additional keys: R1 5 % € se(E05) has already been mentioned in soilheart's previous post, while R3 # ' de(C12) and R4 < > | de(B00) are part of GMK Carbon "ISO US" kit. Thus, if my custom software is not buggy, it validates T0mb3ry's kit.

Hope this helps.+

Thank you very much for that analysis. So far i can understand everything is on point and no cap is missing. As you mentioned already the two caps for DE are part of the base kit and thus not missing. I think the extra R1 5 % € key will not be missing since € is already available for R2 E.

I'll wait for one hour and after that i'll pass it to Yanbo. So if you got something on your mind this is the last chance to make a suggestion.

[T0mb3ry]

Guess everything is fine and everybody is ok with those kits. IC for these kits is over and i am passing it to Yanbo.

[nugglets]

i am human

I disagree.  No mortal human comes up with sets this awesome!

Any chance the standard sized spacebars can get broken out?  I'd love to pick up a couple extra of those, but I don't really need a whole stockpile of the small ones.  Might not be possible if this it what it takes to reach MOQ, but just a thought.

Lol thanks!

The problem by splitting it up is actually the moq. This is more a strategic decision and thus i'd like to take VE.A users into the boat. The goal is to rpovide the spacebars for everybody. Anyway if all other users think different in this regard then just reply here. With enough votes i'll react properly. Thats why i make here this IC still.

Since we reached the next page in this thread i'd like to post the addons again so you dont need to page back.

Maybe see if Yanbo can set it up so that you purchase a "base kit" of all the spacebars in order to hit MOQ, but then allow "add on" kits of specific sizes for those of us who would like extras for our preferred layouts without stockpiling keys we won't use?

Just a suggestion, and one that seems plausible given the way they've handled kits in previous drops.

[T0mb3ry]

i am human

I disagree.  No mortal human comes up with sets this awesome!

Any chance the standard sized spacebars can get broken out?  I'd love to pick up a couple extra of those, but I don't really need a whole stockpile of the small ones.  Might not be possible if this it what it takes to reach MOQ, but just a thought.

Lol thanks!

The problem by splitting it up is actually the moq. This is more a strategic decision and thus i'd like to take VE.A users into the boat. The goal is to rpovide the spacebars for everybody. Anyway if all other users think different in this regard then just reply here. With enough votes i'll react properly. Thats why i make here this IC still.

Since we reached the next page in this thread i'd like to post the addons again so you dont need to page back.

Maybe see if Yanbo can set it up so that you purchase a "base kit" of all the spacebars in order to hit MOQ, but then allow "add on" kits of specific sizes for those of us who would like extras for our preferred layouts without stockpiling keys we won't use?

Just a suggestion, and one that seems plausible given the way they've handled kits in previous drops.

MOQ sets the limits here. If i make addons more specific then guess they will not hit the moq.

Well these kits are building up on already droped base set, which is kinda unfortunate but there is no way around it. Next drop (if there will be one) will be ofcourse very different. I will build it up in modules with alphas as base module.

[nugglets]

What I mean is that you would keep the spacebar kit as is. Then when you buy the current spacebar kit, have an option to add additional spacebars in a specific size.

So like:

GMK Carbon Spacebar Kit: (1)
Addon: Additional 6.25 Spacebar

So relatively the same number of base sets will sell, ensuring MOQ is met for things like the VE.A spacebars.

But it also allows users to add extras of certain sizes without buying a second set of every size.

Massdrop have done similar things in the past, so I know their system could do it.

[T0mb3ry]

What I mean is that you would keep the spacebar kit as is. Then when you buy the current spacebar kit, have an option to add additional spacebars in a specific size.

So like:

GMK Carbon Spacebar Kit: (1)
Addon: Additional 6.25 Spacebar

So relatively the same number of base sets will sell, ensuring MOQ is met for things like the VE.A spacebars.

But it also allows users to add extras of certain sizes without buying a second set of every size.

Massdrop have done similar things in the past, so I know their system could do it.

I'll pass your suggetion further but i do not promise this to happen.

[nugglets]

What I mean is that you would keep the spacebar kit as is. Then when you buy the current spacebar kit, have an option to add additional spacebars in a specific size.

So like:

GMK Carbon Spacebar Kit: (1)
Addon: Additional 6.25 Spacebar

So relatively the same number of base sets will sell, ensuring MOQ is met for things like the VE.A spacebars.

But it also allows users to add extras of certain sizes without buying a second set of every size.

Massdrop have done similar things in the past, so I know their system could do it.

I'll pass your suggetion further but i do not promise this to happen.

Thanks =)

I understand it's not completely under your control, just was a suggestion to try and get the best of both. Either way I'll be buying the addons and I thank you very much for all the time and effort you've put into this! =)

[T0mb3ry]

What I mean is that you would keep the spacebar kit as is. Then when you buy the current spacebar kit, have an option to add additional spacebars in a specific size.

So like:

GMK Carbon Spacebar Kit: (1)
Addon: Additional 6.25 Spacebar

So relatively the same number of base sets will sell, ensuring MOQ is met for things like the VE.A spacebars.

But it also allows users to add extras of certain sizes without buying a second set of every size.

Massdrop have done similar things in the past, so I know their system could do it.

Ok we did some brainstorming and let me explain following in case we offer that option:
Its obvious people will group up just only for specific spacebar sizes. Say you got 20 friends who want just the 6.25u spacebar. You bought into spacebar kit and you ordered extra x amount of 6.25u spacebars for you friends. Now that will backfire badly. Moq will not hit and nobody will get their spacebars. Thats recipe for a failure :/ Its not wise to do so.

In the end this is still sort of group buy and the point of group buy is, to help each other to get things happen. VEA Van and etc. users help you and you help them.

It is really not about bothering you with keys you dont need, its more about moq and only moq.

[WCO1]

really hyped for the iso kit. but yeah that 150 MOQ might be hard tho.

[KHAANNN]

Definitely very hard but you never know, if every ISO fanatic buy 3x, 50 fanatics could make it happen

Even I'm considering to buy one just for that R4 \| - there are already R1/R3 \|'s, but for some reason I fancy the R4 too

The extra spacebars idea was brilliant, but the MoQ hack would indeed bust it - tho, I think the base set can easily sell 150+ in the case of spacebars, a lot of people buy unique spacebars, so people who didn't join Carbon will buy spacebars too, hell, I recently bought 5+ unique spacebars from Originative, and I can't even use a non-alpha colour spacebar yet

[nugglets]

What I mean is that you would keep the spacebar kit as is. Then when you buy the current spacebar kit, have an option to add additional spacebars in a specific size.

So like:

GMK Carbon Spacebar Kit: (1)
Addon: Additional 6.25 Spacebar

So relatively the same number of base sets will sell, ensuring MOQ is met for things like the VE.A spacebars.

But it also allows users to add extras of certain sizes without buying a second set of every size.

Massdrop have done similar things in the past, so I know their system could do it.

Ok we did some brainstorming and let me explain following in case we offer that option:
Its obvious people will group up just only for specific spacebar sizes. Say you got 20 friends who want just the 6.25u spacebar. You bought into spacebar kit and you ordered extra x amount of 6.25u spacebars for you friends. Now that will backfire badly. Moq will not hit and nobody will get their spacebars. Thats recipe for a failure :/ Its not wise to do so.

In the end this is still sort of group buy and the point of group buy is, to help each other to get things happen. VEA Van and etc. users help you and you help them.

It is really not about bothering you with keys you dont need, its more about moq and only moq.

I mean, that's a pretty extreme case and you could easily limit the number available per order.

[Jedi]

While we're at it with orange spacebars, what is preventing you from also providing orange alphas?

[ideus]

i am human

I disagree.  No mortal human comes up with sets this awesome!

Any chance the standard sized spacebars can get broken out?  I'd love to pick up a couple extra of those, but I don't really need a whole stockpile of the small ones.  Might not be possible if this it what it takes to reach MOQ, but just a thought.

+1

[swimmingbird]

do we seriously need a massdrop novelty key

[KHAANNN]

do we seriously need a massdrop novelty key

haha, made me laugh good

I guess they don't want to be left out

I only fancy the GMK novelty, tho, the GH and r/m/k ones are pretty original too

[ideus]

do we seriously need a massdrop novelty key

MD does need it and you have to pay for it. Shame on you for asking such an insensitive question.


 

[jackie321304]

Do that mean you will start the next GB with the novelties, space bar... etc options? Or its only for the ppl who purchase the GMK carbon earlier?

[KHAANNN]

Do that mean you will start the next GB with the novelties, space bar... etc options? Or its only for the ppl who purchase the GMK carbon earlier?

99.9999999999% everyone, limiting it to Carbon buyers would be highly illogical, since moq is the common enemy

[jackie321304]

Do that mean you will start the next GB with the novelties, space bar... etc options? Or its only for the ppl who purchase the GMK carbon earlier?

99.9999999999% everyone, limiting it to Carbon buyers would be highly illogical, since moq is the common enemy

I hope so too. Miss the GB last time. But I guess new GB probably have to wait until Dec or next year and receive it around June lol.

[T0mb3ry]

do we seriously need a massdrop novelty key

It will definitely not hurt. Or does something speaks against it? I know some community members struggle with MD for what ever reasons. But MD is a part of the Community. And time to time they offer very good deals. For example GMK Carbon base set for 99$. Other community sets are far more expensive. Deal with it.

Do that mean you will start the next GB with the novelties, space bar... etc options? Or its only for the ppl who purchase the GMK carbon earlier?

Just want to clarify. There will be no drop for the base set. Those are just addons for GMK Carbon. However you can use these in combinations with other sets.

[maximm]

What will the MOQ be for the sets?

[Gatix]

What will the MOQ be for the sets?

It's 150 for GMK

[fax668]

Hmm, I was thinking that I would pick up the international set once it drops and then hope that MD would drop the base set (which I missed) again around Christmas/New Year. But now it sounds like I would better not do anything before the next drop? But then I might run the risk that an international add-on would not meet MOQ?

[duynguyenle]

Hmm, I was thinking that I would pick up the international set once it drops and then hope that MD would drop the base set (which I missed) again around Christmas/New Year. But now it sounds like I would better not do anything before the next drop? But then I might run the risk that an international add-on would not meet MOQ?

It's folly in this market to hold out on it. There's no indication of Carbon R2 being ran any time soon. If you want the set, get the international kit and pick up Carbon base kit on the aftermarket. Don't wait for R2 to drop because you will be left hanging for a long time

[ideus]

There is a DT novelty mold already with an icon that is more similar to the DT logo. The MD seems a bit too large, doesn't it?

[Jedi]

There is a DT novelty mold already with an icon that is more similar to the DT logo.

Is this DT logo approved for free use?  Does T0mb3ry need permission from anyone to use it, if so, who?

[ideus]

There is a DT novelty mold already with an icon that is more similar to the DT logo.

Is this DT logo approved for free use?  Does T0mb3ry need permission from anyone to use it, if so, who?

The first kit that included it was leaded by Wodan, he may write to him to check its availability. Wodan is a very approachable fellow.

[T0mb3ry]

There is a DT novelty mold already with an icon that is more similar to the DT logo.

Is this DT logo approved for free use?  Does T0mb3ry need permission from anyone to use it, if so, who?

The first kit that included it was leaded by Wodan, he may write to him to check its availability. Wodan is a very approachable fellow.

Afaik the rights for that DT logo are owned by DT Club. I've asked for permission but didn't get one. So no DT logo. Afaik Wodan is DT Club member.

[pinkeyedcyclops]

Thank God, imho that 'og' DT logo looks like every generic logo straight out of the 90's. I think yours looks a lot better!

[duynguyenle]

I prefer Wodan's DT logo to be honest, but as you weren't able to obtain permission, I guess this one will have to do 

[KHAANNN]

Indeed the original DT logo is pretty cool

Too bad they didn't reply our prince

[ntw]

sorry I can't go back few pages of discussion to check but I just want to know what is the latest expected delivery date?

[simonyunhe]

sorry I can't go back few pages of discussion to check but I just want to know what is the latest expected delivery date?

Based on MD, end of this month.

[T0mb3ry]

sorry I can't go back few pages of discussion to check but I just want to know what is the latest expected delivery date?

Porbably end of this month or next month. You need to understand that the quantities are quite higher than usual. During my visit at GMK, Carbon was already 4 weeks in production and by that time they had almost base set ready. They need also to produce the novelties. Just giving you the insight about the dimensions.

[wodan]

You know I am VERY excited about an international kit for Carbon, in for three of those and at least one of the other kits each.

Very happy to see the international kit is still living. Anything I can do to help here?

[duynguyenle]

Can't wait to fully fit this on my ISO-UK boards with correct legends!

[richard912]

sorry I can't go back few pages of discussion to check but I just want to know what is the latest expected delivery date?

Porbably end of this month or next month. You need to understand that the quantities are quite higher than usual. During my visit at GMK, Carbon was already 4 weeks in production and by that time they had almost base set ready. They need also to produce the novelties. Just giving you the insight about the dimensions.

As long as we can get it before X'mas, all is good

[ntw]

sorry I can't go back few pages of discussion to check but I just want to know what is the latest expected delivery date?

Porbably end of this month or next month. You need to understand that the quantities are quite higher than usual. During my visit at GMK, Carbon was already 4 weeks in production and by that time they had almost base set ready. They need also to produce the novelties. Just giving you the insight about the dimensions.

As long as we can get it before X'mas, all is good

nice Christmas present for ourselves!!

[Jumie]

With gmk now offering 6u spacebar, I'm wondering which keyboards are using 6u spacebar? Also 6u stabilizer wire is still uncommon.

[kawasaki161]

which keyboards are using 6u spacebar?

Some (or all, idk) Cherry 1800's use the 6u space. Source: I have a modern 1800 with 6u space. There are probably more, but that is the only one that comes to mind right now.

If they were center-stemmed you could also use them on Blackwidows *shrugs* or Novatouched Topre boards. But they are not center stemmed 

[simonyunhe]

Saw this on Reddit. Wow, that package!

[Jumie]

Wuuttt... I regret not to buy it without tray now