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Just a notice for those procrastinating - GB pricing will end Saturday midnight (PST), and be adjusted up a bit to "pre-order pricing". This price will remain until the items are on hand, where Retail pricing will kick in.

Just curious what are the items that will become pre-order pricing? Stab, clips, switches??? Thanks

Everything in the GB - switches, stabs, silencing clips.

If I want to add something can I send you the email? I already place to order few weeks ago.


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I'm sorry I missed this as well. But I'm all set for when it comes back as a non-GB offering sometime early next year; I have all parts ready for when this comes back!

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It's glorious!

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I have been fabricating a custom winkeyless style case with a 1.5mm plate with slightly larger cutouts in 3mm acrylic. Zeal, is the footprint of the Transparent Stabilizers on the pcb any larger than that of normal pcb-mount stabilizers?
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I have been fabricating a custom winkeyless style case with a 1.5mm plate with slightly larger cutouts in 3mm acrylic. Zeal, is the footprint of the Transparent Stabilizers on the pcb any larger than that of normal pcb-mount stabilizers?

The footprint of the transparent stabilizers are a bit larger than regular Cherry pop-in PCB mount stabs due to the extra nut required for the screw.

Here are the dimensions of a sample I recorded with a caliper:

Length - 19.65mm
Width - 6.8mm
Height - 2.73mm(nut end), 3.27mm(wire end) *measured from base that would touch PCB surface to top.
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Hey Zeal, any reason you went with the age-old USB mini b instead of the sweet new USB-C?  Time? Cost? Inexperience?  All of the above?

Have you/were you toying with the idea?  Maybe Rev1?

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Hey Zeal, any reason you went with the age-old USB mini b instead of the sweet new USB-C?  Time? Cost? Inexperience?  All of the above?

Have you/were you toying with the idea?  Maybe Rev1?

There are a few reasons, and USB C was considered, but eventually not used for the Zeal60.

1) Majority of aftermarket keyboards are designed with Mini USB in mind. Therefore the hole for these cases usually cannot accommodate the large 8.3mm wide connector+rubber exterior housing.
2) A large amount of keyboard enthusiast would prefer to have a matching custom cable for their keyset. As of right now, only one cable vendor is offering USB C sleeved cables. Options for custom sleeved/matching USB C cables are quite limited at this moment.
3) Reducing cable clutter. People that own multiple boards generally will be rotating them in and out. Would you really want to have one mini USB cable, micro USB cable, USB C cable on your desk dangling around?
4) There may be clearance issues with the current left aligned USB port if a USB C female port is used. The female end has a widest point of 11.75mm for its anchors and is 9.75mm long(connector to end). The distance between the switch pin of "Esc" and "1" is only ~9.8mm.

There's no question that USB C is a much superior connector, but it needs some time to mature a bit before everyone shifts over. For custom builds, you can definitely design around USB C, but when going for maximum compatibility like a 60%, it's best to stay with Mini USB.
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I got in a day too late... Got my switches and stabs but I missed the Zeal 60.  Zeal, if you get any cancellations or simply have an extra laying around, hit up an old long time customer (**cough cough, me.**).


Also, If anyone wants to sell me this glorious PCB, I would happily make it profitable for you.

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There are a few reasons, and USB C was considered, but eventually not used for the Zeal60.

1) Majority of aftermarket keyboards are designed with Mini USB in mind. Therefore the hole for these cases usually cannot accommodate the large 8.3mm wide connector+rubber exterior housing.
2) A large amount of keyboard enthusiast would prefer to have a matching custom cable for their keyset. As of right now, only one cable vendor is offering USB C sleeved cables. Options for custom sleeved/matching USB C cables are quite limited at this moment.
3) Reducing cable clutter. People that own multiple boards generally will be rotating them in and out. Would you really want to have one mini USB cable, micro USB cable, USB C cable on your desk dangling around?
4) There may be clearance issues with the current left aligned USB port if a USB C female port is used. The female end has a widest point of 11.75mm for its anchors and is 9.75mm long(connector to end). The distance between the switch pin of "Esc" and "1" is only ~9.8mm.

There's no question that USB C is a much superior connector, but it needs some time to mature a bit before everyone shifts over. For custom builds, you can definitely design around USB C, but when going for maximum compatibility like a 60%, it's best to stay with Mini USB.

Wow man, thanks for the quick response!  I asked, and you over-delivered.  You definitely thought this through. :D

 #1) It's going to take the Poker to switch to C before we get that extra bit of space.  It can only be a matter of time.
#4) It seems some of the receptacles (top-mount) fit the anchors within 9.2mm http://www.alysium-tech.com/downloads/products/usb-connectors/a46-4825.pdf. But that one is pretty long to make up for it.  Again, it looks like we're going to need to see a change in the form factor, which just goes back to 1. 

Come on Poker!  Give us some sweet USB-C goodness!  I say them simply because their brand is the most well-known, and their market share (of 60% keyboards)

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Besides the old "no other devices use USB-mini connectors, so it's just an extra cable lying around" argument, which is only true if you don't actually use your keyboards, what benefits exist with USB-C?

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Besides the old "no other devices use USB-mini connectors, so it's just an extra cable lying around" argument, which is only true if you don't actually use your keyboards, what benefits exist with USB-C?
It is a more robust connector, especially when compared to the deprecated mini-b.

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Besides the old "no other devices use USB-mini connectors, so it's just an extra cable lying around" argument, which is only true if you don't actually use your keyboards, what benefits exist with USB-C?
It is a more robust connector, especially when compared to the deprecated mini-b.

Yeah Mini and Micro have very small lifespans when looking at the insertion/detachment ratings comparatively to USB-C
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I have been fabricating a custom winkeyless style case with a 1.5mm plate with slightly larger cutouts in 3mm acrylic. Zeal, is the footprint of the Transparent Stabilizers on the pcb any larger than that of normal pcb-mount stabilizers?

The footprint of the transparent stabilizers are a bit larger than regular Cherry pop-in PCB mount stabs due to the extra nut required for the screw.

Here are the dimensions of a sample I recorded with a caliper:

Length - 19.65mm
Width - 6.8mm
Height - 2.73mm(nut end), 3.27mm(wire end) *measured from base that would touch PCB surface to top.
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Zeal, when will I get an update on my order?  I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.

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Zeal, when will I get an update on my order?  I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.

All updates are posted on the second post of the front page here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2246529#msg2246529

I provided an update on Oct 20 saying Zealios will ship from Gateron on Nov 15, with Silencing clips / stabilizers on Nov 21. Will re-ship all the orders as soon as the bulk shipment comes in. The pre-order listing on my site also provides the same dates and timelines.
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Zeal, when will I get an update on my order?  I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.

All updates are posted on the second post of the front page here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2246529#msg2246529

I provided an update on Oct 20 saying Zealios will ship from Gateron on Nov 15, with Silencing clips / stabilizers on Nov 21. Will re-ship all the orders as soon as the bulk shipment comes in. The pre-order listing on my site also provides the same dates and timelines.

Thanks, I just wasn't sure if any emails had gone out.  I've had issues with other vendors in the past where purchases through PayPal tend to not receive communications through storefronts.  I just wanted to verify.

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Zeal, when will I get an update on my order?  I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.

All updates are posted on the second post of the front page here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2246529#msg2246529

I provided an update on Oct 20 saying Zealios will ship from Gateron on Nov 15, with Silencing clips / stabilizers on Nov 21. Will re-ship all the orders as soon as the bulk shipment comes in. The pre-order listing on my site also provides the same dates and timelines.
Ugh the struggle of this wait is real

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Zeal, when will I get an update on my order?  I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.

All updates are posted on the second post of the front page here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2246529#msg2246529

I provided an update on Oct 20 saying Zealios will ship from Gateron on Nov 15, with Silencing clips / stabilizers on Nov 21. Will re-ship all the orders as soon as the bulk shipment comes in. The pre-order listing on my site also provides the same dates and timelines.
Ugh the struggle of this wait is real

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I'm quite fortunate that I decided to order a planck with the updated revision pcb and case.

Should mean everything arrives around the last week of November (fingers crossed at least!)


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Zeal, when will I get an update on my order?  I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.

All updates are posted on the second post of the front page here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2246529#msg2246529

I provided an update on Oct 20 saying Zealios will ship from Gateron on Nov 15, with Silencing clips / stabilizers on Nov 21. Will re-ship all the orders as soon as the bulk shipment comes in. The pre-order listing on my site also provides the same dates and timelines.

Do you have an estimate on the PCB?  How did the prototype turn out?

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Zeal, when will I get an update on my order?  I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.

All updates are posted on the second post of the front page here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2246529#msg2246529

I provided an update on Oct 20 saying Zealios will ship from Gateron on Nov 15, with Silencing clips / stabilizers on Nov 21. Will re-ship all the orders as soon as the bulk shipment comes in. The pre-order listing on my site also provides the same dates and timelines.

Do you have an estimate on the PCB?  How did the prototype turn out?

Prototype is great, I just built it up on Saturday. Only took a few potatoes on Sunday. Will provide a Halloween themed photoshoot & maybe typing video in the morning. :)

Working on getting an estimate for PCB. Expect to have it around later half of November as well.

Teaser for the time being:
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They shipped?

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I recall you saying all orders are shipped out with a low value ($10?) marked on them - is there any way to get that marked as a gift too?

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They shipped?

Yes. To him only, obviously. (Wilba's my partner and helped design the PCB :) )
I recall you saying all orders are shipped out with a low value ($10?) marked on them - is there any way to get that marked as a gift too?

Cheers

Gift isn't available for commercial shippers. $10 declaration should be enough, considering shipping price isn't printed on the label, if that's one of your worries.
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Backlit spacebar stabilizers are going to be the next big thing :cool:


Actual purple underglow effect. Usually UV purple LEDs are very dim, this came out nicely.
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so what case are people planning on running with this board?

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so what case are people planning on running with this board?

For now, the iQunix Lambo, until I see something really nice that is available for us in silver!

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Love the illumination of the stabilizers, very nice touch.
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~swoon~

so what case are people planning on running with this board?

I picked up a silver low profile from Massdrop , but I've been thinking about getting something Gold to match the pimpedness of the stabs. Like this

 But the Infinity could look really cool
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Backlit spacebar stabilizers are going to be the next big thing :cool:
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Actual purple underglow effect. Usually UV purple LEDs are very dim, this came out nicely.
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Could you take a pic with some shine-through caps?  I'd like to see how well the light diffuses throughout the body of the switches

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Backlit spacebar stabilizers are going to be the next big thing :cool:
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Actual purple underglow effect. Usually UV purple LEDs are very dim, this came out nicely.
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Could you take a pic with some shine-through caps?  I'd like to see how well the light diffuses throughout the body of the switches

I don't own any of those shine through lettered caps. Everything is either GMK, EnjoyPBT, or Cherry Dyesub. :|
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I don't own any of those shine through lettered caps. Everything is either GMK, EnjoyPBT, or Cherry Dyesub. :|

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Looking good! Any details on the firmware yet? And what about per-key programming?

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Looking good! Any details on the firmware yet? And what about per-key programming?

Working on GUI...

Zeal60 is QMK/TMK compatible. You can build your own firmware and set individual keys as desired. Right now everything you see has been done with TMK.
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I don't own any of those shine through lettered caps. Everything is either GMK, EnjoyPBT, or Cherry Dyesub. :|

I'll mail you some.  PM me your address

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Looking good! Any details on the firmware yet? And what about per-key programming?

Working on GUI...

Zeal60 is QMK/TMK compatible. You can build your own firmware and set individual keys as desired. Right now everything you see has been done with TMK.

Do you mean programming the LED colors, or the keys/functions?

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Looking good! Any details on the firmware yet? And what about per-key programming?

Working on GUI...

Zeal60 is QMK/TMK compatible. You can build your own firmware and set individual keys as desired. Right now everything you see has been done with TMK.

Do you mean programming the LED colors, or the keys/functions?

Both.

Btw, forgot I had some stock ducky abs caps in a drawer. Will take some pics in the morning.
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Could you take a pic with some shine-through caps?  I'd like to see how well the light diffuses throughout the body of the switches

Generic thin UV ABS Ducky Shine 3 keycaps. I'd expect doubleshot shine through ABS caps to glow better.
Bottom row is flipped to show the difference.

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Is it possible to switch weights on zealios switches for an order without paying extra at this point or is it too late? (Ordered a while ago during the group buy phase)

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Is it possible to switch weights on zealios switches for an order without paying extra at this point or is it too late? (Ordered a while ago during the group buy phase)

Would depend on availability of said weight. Send me a PM with your name & order #. Or you can email me directly by replying to the confirmation email with the weight you want swapped to. I'll see what I can do. :)
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Zeal, for the shipping date, I think you're expecting to get the switches after the 15th and the stabs after the 21st. Since I had both in my order I'm using the 21st as my marker, but it's going to take you some time to sort through and ship out right? I ask because that's Thanksgiving break and I won't be at my shipping address until the following week. Thanks.

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Zeal, for the shipping date, I think you're expecting to get the switches after the 15th and the stabs after the 21st. Since I had both in my order I'm using the 21st as my marker, but it's going to take you some time to sort through and ship out right? I ask because that's Thanksgiving break and I won't be at my shipping address until the following week. Thanks.

Yeah, delivery should take 2-3 days from day of shipment. Depending on when the shipment comes, I may have the weekend to sort through a few hundred to get those out asap. As for your delivery date, it would depend on how far you are in queue. The first orders started around 45xx. Goal is to get 50-100 boxes out a day, more over the weekends. If you think your order would be coming in around Thanksgiving break, send me a PM with your order # and I'll leave a little note to hold delivery until a certain date.
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