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Offline itlnstln

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Brown cherries-- are there several varieties?
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 10:26:12 »
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« Reply #51 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 10:28:57 »
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Mostly from Cherries  (blue, brown, pink, whatever)  :)
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« Reply #52 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 10:31:57 »
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Mostly from Cherries (blue, brown, pink, whatever) :)

LOL.  I'm glad you don't discriminate.


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« Reply #53 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 10:34:35 »
Well I'll be damned.
What should they be called?
how about "Original Cherry Brown (Type A)" for the light brown one
and "Genuine Cherry Brown (Type 1)" for the dark one.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #54 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 10:42:45 »
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Well I'll be damned.
What should they be called?
how about "Original Cherry Brown (Type A)" for the light brown one
and "Genuine Cherry Brown (Type 1)" for the dark one.

Let's just keep it simple and call them "Cherry browns."  We don't need any ALPS-like confusion.


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« Reply #55 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 10:53:10 »
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BTW - somebody should pull a key on their 2009 Cherry Corp keyboard and see what's shipping now. Wouldn't surprise me if it's the light brown one.

This. I might do this when I go home tonight. Either way, it's minor mold changes due to replacement, wearing out of the molds, etc. I am sure you can find these differences in almost any switch if you compare two that were made, say, five years apart.
 
Basically, what I have learned from this is that its probably not Cherry keyboards feeling more tactile because of some magic manufacturing practice, but due to switches from a different molding run. Therefore, any Cherry-based keyboard could have different feeling switches from another simply based on what run of swithces they were sold at the time of manufacture. That said, there could be a run of Filcos in the future that might feel more/less tactile than Cherry-made 'boards, and more/less tactile than a Filco of the same model made a year or two later.


Offline Mental Hobbit

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« Reply #56 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 11:24:32 »
Studied all Cherry catalogs I could find online today, both English and German. Blacks, blues, clears, but not a bit of browns. Looks like they consider browns some strange stepkind they'd rather hide.

Or they've been discontinued long ago. So Filco most likely purchases clears from Cherry and ships them to a secret camp, where a thousand Chinese slave workers paint stems brown, file off the tactile nipple a bit and squeeze springs till they're worn.
Yes, that must be it.
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Brown cherries-- are there several varieties?
« Reply #57 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 12:08:56 »
Funny thing is, if you download the MX keyswitch datasheet, there's a force displacement graph for browns but not clears.

Interestingly, while all the G80 POS boards use browns, they keep very quiet about that and don't state it anywhere. Makes sense, yeah.
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« Reply #58 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 12:20:35 »
Figuring out Cherry is an excercise in futility. Between the incomprehensible keyboard model numbers and what switches are still in production and which one aren't, who knows what the Hell they are doing over there?


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« Reply #59 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 12:29:43 »
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Well I'll be damned.
What should they be called?
how about "Original Cherry Brown (Type A)" for the light brown one
and "Genuine Cherry Brown (Type 1)" for the dark one.


Just one more observation:

The light brown Cherries seem to have a different accent, more like White ALPS, er, um... I mean "sound" than the dark brown Cherries  (unless they choose to sound different)

At least that's my understanding as quoted from a reliable Democrat member of the US Congress  :)

P.S.  Just to be clear I like em all, White ALPS, Black ALPS, well worn Model Ms, but especially Brand New Pink Cherries - they're the most fun to break in!  You know what I mean Sly???   :)
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« Reply #60 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 13:02:20 »
I love brand new, pink Cherries. Keep 'em cu... err... coming, max!


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« Reply #61 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 13:09:54 »
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I love brand new, pink Cherries. Keep 'em cu... err... coming, max!


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« Reply #62 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 13:35:02 »
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Just to keep beating this into the ground for all you conspiracy theorists.




You keep beating this into the ground rip and me and Sly will continue to pound on our never-before-used "virgin" Cherries (keyboards) until they're sufficiently broken in.
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« Reply #63 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 13:38:36 »
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Well I'll be damned.
What should they be called?
how about "Original Cherry Brown (Type A)" for the light brown one
and "Genuine Cherry Brown (Type 1)" for the dark one.


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« Reply #64 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 14:08:34 »
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You Europeans are allowed to legally own firearms?  :)
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Offline Mental Hobbit

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« Reply #65 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 14:15:01 »
Not that anybody would care... but my Filco with browns (genuine, type 1, hand-painted stems) arrived today. Sadly I don't have any type A switches for comparison, but I can tell mine feel smooth as butter. :becky:
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Offline djones

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« Reply #66 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 15:10:50 »
I'm going to try transplanting the clearly weaker springs from the Type A Tea Switches (TM) specifically manufactured for german markets, in one of my mx11800's to a filco to see if makes a difference.

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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 15:33:04 »
Adventurous.  I like that.  Defintely report back on that.


Offline lowpoly

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« Reply #68 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 16:06:05 »
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Studied all Cherry catalogs I could find online today, both English and German. Blacks, blues, clears, but not a bit of browns. Looks like they consider browns some strange stepkind they'd rather hide.
Doesn't mean much. Cherry reds are also not in the .pdfs but are a current product.

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Those numbers are most likely injection mold numbers identifying the chamber the part was made in. Multiple stems are shot in a single mold. When a mold gets old faulty chambers can be closed, for ex.
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« Reply #69 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 16:17:07 »
Looking at QWERTERs Clinic, I think, like ripster, that the light brown one is a newer revision (assuming he pulled the stems from the older Cherry 'boards at the top of the page; at the very least, this page has been up for some time and these are certainly older stems).  The one's on QWERTER's Clinic look like the darker one.  That said, one might also deduct the following:
 
- There are multiple molds for the same color switch.  It has nothing to do with age, per se, but where/what mold the part was made in.
 
- Cherry, in fact, does make some switches from a certain factory/mold that it uses internally, and another factory/mold that uses to make switches to sell to third parties.
 
- There is one part (which would have to include the switch case) that might be better for PCB mounting and one for plate mounting, even though they are interchagable (this is probably not the case but just some conspiracy-theory BS I came up with)
 
In either case, I don't think any spec differences were necessarily intentional, even though there are some notable differences in design.  While not necessarily verifiable, it does make the sales persons explaination given to XsPhat some time ago seem at least somewhat reasonable.


Offline Mental Hobbit

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« Reply #70 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 16:33:31 »
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- Cherry, in fact, does make some switches from a certain factory/mold that it uses internally, and another factory/mold that uses to make switches to sell to third parties.


Maybe one type is made by Cherry Europe, the other by Cherry USA. Then it would make sense.

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- There is one part (which would have to include the switch case) that might be better for PCB mounting and one for plate mounting, even though they are interchagable (this is probably not the case but just some conspiracy-theory BS I came up with)


As far as I know, switch cases for PCB mounting have two additional fixation pins.
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« Reply #71 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 16:45:34 »
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As far as I know, switch cases for PCB mounting have two additional fixation pins.

That's true, I forgot about that.


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« Reply #72 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 16:47:11 »
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Using your guys reasoning this could imply anything but smells like a Asian conspiracy.

I guess that's pretty much the point.  You can pretty much come up with all types of bull**** if you really want, but what fun would it be otherwise?


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« Reply #73 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 17:28:35 »
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You Europeans are allowed to legally own firearms?  :)


I think shotguns are the only thing we're allowed to own, and even at that, you really don't want to be seen around with one.

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« Reply #74 on: Wed, 13 January 2010, 22:26:29 »
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« Reply #75 on: Thu, 14 January 2010, 14:44:17 »
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Man! Why you want to pick on eggster...er, ripster?

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