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Offline y11971alex

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F122 6110344 Get!
« on: Fri, 16 September 2016, 16:22:53 »
Bought a F122 for $102.25!  One keyboard off the wish list.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/182275216942
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 00:00:08 »
Quote from: y11971alex on Fri, 16 September 2016, 16:22:53
Bought a F122 for $102.25!  One keyboard off the wish list.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/182275216942

Ah so you were the person that sniped me in the last 5 seconds... growling noises

It's alright, I forgive you this time. Nice snag, I was sitting there watching it to make sure nobody outbid me and it was gone before I knew it :p
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 00:45:11 »
Quote from: Wingpad on Sat, 17 September 2016, 00:00:08
Quote from: y11971alex on Fri, 16 September 2016, 16:22:53
Bought a F122 for $102.25!  One keyboard off the wish list.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/182275216942

Ah so you were the person that sniped me in the last 5 seconds... growling noises

It's alright, I forgive you this time. Nice snag, I was sitting there watching it to make sure nobody outbid me and it was gone before I knew it :p



I'm sorry.  I knew the buyer was bound to be here.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 00:48:54 »
Quote from: y11971alex on Sat, 17 September 2016, 00:45:11
I'm sorry.  I knew the buyer was bound to be here.
It's fine, I just got a Blue Switch Model F (5640987) for $35 yesterday so I knew I couldn't get lucky twice in a row, haha.

I'll find an F122 like this one for a lower price later ;)
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 00:58:53 »
Quote from: Wingpad on Sat, 17 September 2016, 00:48:54
Quote from: y11971alex on Sat, 17 September 2016, 00:45:11
I'm sorry.  I knew the buyer was bound to be here.
It's fine, I just got a Blue Switch Model F (5640987) for $35 yesterday so I knew I couldn't get lucky twice in a row, haha.
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I'll find an F122 like this one for a lower price later ;)
By the way, it wasn't 5 seconds.  It was 3.  :p

Per fohat.digs, always (tool-assisted) snipe.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 06:57:13 »
$100 is a fair price for an F122. It's probably best for both that it didn't get out of hand above that :) .

It's a fantastic keyboard, though. Everyone who's serious about keyboards should have a Model F, and IMO, the F122 is the best of them.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 08:50:09 »
The complete function keys and blue sub-legends made this a desirable one.

Sub-$100 F-122s are getting rare.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 11:30:31 »
Quote from: fohat.digs on Sat, 17 September 2016, 08:50:09
The complete function keys and blue sub-legends made this a desirable one.

Sub-$100 F-122s are getting rare.
The blue sub-legends? 
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 11:37:17 »
Quote from: chyros on Sat, 17 September 2016, 06:57:13
$100 is a fair price for an F122. It's probably best for both that it didn't get out of hand above that :) .

It's a fantastic keyboard, though. Everyone who's serious about keyboards should have a Model F, and IMO, the F122 is the best of them.
Auuggh, don't remind me, haha! What're your thoughts on the 107-key Model F??
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 11:57:49 »
Quote from: Wingpad on Sat, 17 September 2016, 11:37:17
Quote from: chyros on Sat, 17 September 2016, 06:57:13
$100 is a fair price for an F122. It's probably best for both that it didn't get out of hand above that :) .

It's a fantastic keyboard, though. Everyone who's serious about keyboards should have a Model F, and IMO, the F122 is the best of them.
Auuggh, don't remind me, haha! What're your thoughts on the 107-key Model F??
I don't own one.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:21:18 »
Quote from: Wingpad on Sat, 17 September 2016, 11:37:17

What're your thoughts on the 107-key Model F ?


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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:22:51 »
Quote from: fohat.digs on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:21:18
Quote from: Wingpad on Sat, 17 September 2016, 11:37:17

What're your thoughts on the 107-key Model F ?


That... is a thing of beauty. It almost makes me want to drop the $200 on one of the ones that are on eBay right now.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:28:40 »
Quote from: Wingpad on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:22:51

makes me want to drop the $200 on one of the ones that are on eBay right now.

Do it.

Those ones from Orihalcon are not pretty but getting one with an xwhatsit already professionally installed is a huge plus.

Message him directly and he will probably discount at least the ebay fee.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76203.msg1900511#msg1900511
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:35:14 »
+1 to the 107-key recommendation. I think the only thing better is a beamspring, but you sacrifice ergonomics and only the rarest of beamsprings have metal cases. 4704 Model F is the finest noise machine out there.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:38:36 »
I second fohat's suggestion. I've purchased several converters from Orihalcon and found his work to be first-rate.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:41:42 »
Quote from: pr0ximity on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:35:14
+1 to the 107-key recommendation. I think the only thing better is a beamspring, but you sacrifice ergonomics and only the rarest of beamsprings have metal cases. 4704 Model F is the finest noise machine out there.

Quote from: fohat.digs on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:28:40
Quote from: Wingpad on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:22:51

makes me want to drop the $200 on one of the ones that are on eBay right now.

Do it.

Those ones from Orihalcon are not pretty but getting one with an xwhatsit already professionally installed is a huge plus.

Message him directly and he will probably discount at least the ebay fee.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76203.msg1900511#msg1900511


Quote from: Hypersphere on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:38:36
I second fohat's suggestion. I've purchased several converters from Orihalcon and found his work to be first-rate.

OK, you guys persuaded me. I shot him a PM on DT and we'll see what comes of it ;D

Also, fohat, in case I do get one of these boards where would you recommend looking to find someone to sandblast it for me? It doesn't seem like there's a metalworking shop around here :(
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 14:37:36 »
Quote from: Wingpad on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:41:42
Quote from: pr0ximity on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:35:14
+1 to the 107-key recommendation. I think the only thing better is a beamspring, but you sacrifice ergonomics and only the rarest of beamsprings have metal cases. 4704 Model F is the finest noise machine out there.

Quote from: fohat.digs on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:28:40
Quote from: Wingpad on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:22:51

makes me want to drop the $200 on one of the ones that are on eBay right now.

Do it.

Those ones from Orihalcon are not pretty but getting one with an xwhatsit already professionally installed is a huge plus.

Message him directly and he will probably discount at least the ebay fee.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76203.msg1900511#msg1900511


Quote from: Hypersphere on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:38:36
I second fohat's suggestion. I've purchased several converters from Orihalcon and found his work to be first-rate.

OK, you guys persuaded me. I shot him a PM on DT and we'll see what comes of it ;D

Also, fohat, in case I do get one of these boards where would you recommend looking to find someone to sandblast it for me? It doesn't seem like there's a metalworking shop around here :(
Rats, gotta snipe it before you do :p
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 17:17:59 »
Quote from: chyros on Sat, 17 September 2016, 06:57:13
It's a fantastic keyboard, though. Everyone who's serious about keyboards should have a Model F, and IMO, the F122 is the best of them.
I've had 3 Model F (2x AT, 1 XT) that I gave away or sold.  This will actually be my forth but first F122.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 18:44:43 »
Quote from: Wingpad on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:41:42

Also, fohat, in case I do get one of these boards where would you recommend looking to find someone to sandblast it for me? It doesn't seem like there's a metalworking shop around here :(

I took it to a place that restores old cars. They often have to remove rust or fabricate replacement parts. If they don't do it they will know someone who can. This place had a $65 minimum and actually said that they should have charged me more, because they re-did it a couple of times trying to get it consistent, but they let it go at $65.

The real reason I did it was because I wanted to see a true metal finish. Knowing that I was going to have to paint anyway, I would have saved the money. But the results were really sweet ....
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #19 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 19:01:58 »
Quote from: fohat.digs on Sat, 17 September 2016, 18:44:43
Quote from: Wingpad on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:41:42

Also, fohat, in case I do get one of these boards where would you recommend looking to find someone to sandblast it for me? It doesn't seem like there's a metalworking shop around here :(

I took it to a place that restores old cars. They often have to remove rust or fabricate replacement parts. If they don't do it they will know someone who can. This place had a $65 minimum and actually said that they should have charged me more, because they re-did it a couple of times trying to get it consistent, but they let it go at $65.

The real reason I did it was because I wanted to see a true metal finish. Knowing that I was going to have to paint anyway, I would have saved the money. But the results were really sweet ....
You had it lucky.  I spent $160 on my 3101's case.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 11:39:36 »
orihalcon F107 board (and an xwhatsit) get! Now begins a long and grueling journey to perfection.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 12:40:36 »
Quote from: Wingpad on Sun, 18 September 2016, 11:39:36
orihalcon F107 board (and an xwhatsit) get! Now begins a long and grueling journey to perfection.
Hope shipping didn't kill it for you  :D
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 12:42:23 »
Quote from: y11971alex on Sun, 18 September 2016, 12:40:36
Quote from: Wingpad on Sun, 18 September 2016, 11:39:36
orihalcon F107 board (and an xwhatsit) get! Now begins a long and grueling journey to perfection.
Hope shipping didn't kill it for you  :D
Bought it from him off of DT and not on eBay so I got a better deal on it, saved about $30 incl. shipping.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 12:46:40 »
F107 FTW!


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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 12:54:19 »
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F107 FTW!

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I don't get it.  Why do people like the F107 so much?
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 13:10:57 »
Quote from: y11971alex on Sun, 18 September 2016, 12:54:19
Quote from: 0100010 on Sun, 18 September 2016, 12:46:40
F107 FTW!

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I don't get it.  Why do people like the F107 so much?

1. Model F
2. Super heavy
3. Model F
4. ANSI layout
5. Model F with a thick die cast metal case
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 13:14:48 »
Quote from: pr0ximity on Sun, 18 September 2016, 13:10:57
Quote from: y11971alex on Sun, 18 September 2016, 12:54:19
Quote from: 0100010 on Sun, 18 September 2016, 12:46:40
F107 FTW!

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I don't get it.  Why do people like the F107 so much?

1. Model F
There exist other Model F.
Quote from: pr0ximity on Sun, 18 September 2016, 13:10:57
2. Super heavy
F122 and beam springs.
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3. Model F
Quote from: pr0ximity on Sun, 18 September 2016, 13:10:57
4. ANSI layout
F11 and F12 are crying.
Quote from: pr0ximity on Sun, 18 September 2016, 13:10:57
5. Model F with a thick die cast metal case
Shipping nightmare.  :p
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 14:23:20 »
It's all pros and cons. F122 are not all metal and not as heavy, but they are indeed quite nice.

Beamspring are not ANSI (and nearly completely inflexible layout unlike an F/M), ABS caps (which I like but some do not), unergonomic, difficult to find replacement parts for, and unreliable (their PCBs are more sensitive to dust and they are less airtight).

All are great keyboards, but different keyboards.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 15:12:23 »
My 107 is boxed up tight and I don't think that I ever weighed it, but I doubt seriously that it weighs more than a 122 and probably weighs less. The "metal" case is very lightweight and not thick, while the 122 has a solid steel bottom pan.

The length of the 107 allows it to have all the horizontal areas of the 122, that is all the horizontal areas of standard ANSI plus left function keys. I found uses for the extra spots around the arrow keys for "media" and "print screen" type uses.

And I love left function keys. The only "higher" F key that I use is F11, so I remapped F9 to F11 and F10 to Windows, and all is well.
 
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 15:21:11 »
Quote from: pr0ximity on Sun, 18 September 2016, 14:23:20
It's all pros and cons. F122 are not all metal and not as heavy, but they are indeed quite nice.

Beamspring are not ANSI (and nearly completely inflexible layout unlike an F/M), ABS caps (which I like but some do not), unergonomic, difficult to find replacement parts for, and unreliable (their PCBs are more sensitive to dust and they are less airtight).

All are great keyboards, but different keyboards.
Beam springs have ABS caps?  How come they're never yellowed?  :D
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #30 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 17:16:07 »
Quote from: pr0ximity on Sun, 18 September 2016, 14:23:20
It's all pros and cons. F122 are not all metal and not as heavy, but they are indeed quite nice.
The F122 is fully FOUR KILOS, is it seriously heavier than that?! Oo
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 17:23:50 »
Quote from: chyros on Sun, 18 September 2016, 17:16:07
Quote from: pr0ximity on Sun, 18 September 2016, 14:23:20
It's all pros and cons. F122 are not all metal and not as heavy, but they are indeed quite nice.
The F122 is fully FOUR KILOS, is it seriously heavier than that?! Oo
One Reddit source claims 5.2 kg, which is quite remarkable.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 21:29:16 »
Quote from: fohat.digs on Sun, 18 September 2016, 15:12:23
The length of the 107 allows it to have all the horizontal areas of the 122, that is all the horizontal areas of standard ANSI plus left function keys. I found uses for the extra spots around the arrow keys for "media" and "print screen" type uses.
That's what I'm planning on putting there, volume up/down, play/pause and what not. I'm just worried about having enough horizontal desk space  :p

Quote from: y11971alex on Sun, 18 September 2016, 17:23:50
Quote from: chyros on Sun, 18 September 2016, 17:16:07
Quote from: pr0ximity on Sun, 18 September 2016, 14:23:20
It's all pros and cons. F122 are not all metal and not as heavy, but they are indeed quite nice.
The F122 is fully FOUR KILOS, is it seriously heavier than that?! Oo
One Reddit source claims 5.2 kg, which is quite remarkable.
Wow o.O I'll have to weigh it when I get mine all cleaned up.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 18 September 2016, 21:40:25 »
Quote from: y11971alex on Sun, 18 September 2016, 17:23:50
Quote from: chyros on Sun, 18 September 2016, 17:16:07

The F122 is fully FOUR KILOS, is it seriously heavier than that?!


One Reddit source claims 5.2 kg, which is quite remarkable.


I think that both of these are high. I am pretty sure that I have weighed F-122s, including cords, at about 3.75 kg, and I really don't think that the 107 is much, if any, more. But I may be wrong.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 19 September 2016, 02:11:10 »
Quote from: y11971alex on Sun, 18 September 2016, 17:23:50
Quote from: chyros on Sun, 18 September 2016, 17:16:07
Quote from: pr0ximity on Sun, 18 September 2016, 14:23:20
It's all pros and cons. F122 are not all metal and not as heavy, but they are indeed quite nice.
The F122 is fully FOUR KILOS, is it seriously heavier than that?! Oo
One Reddit source claims 5.2 kg, which is quite remarkable.
Whaaaaaa...?!
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 19 September 2016, 07:38:12 »
Quote from: fohat.digs on Sun, 18 September 2016, 21:40:25
Quote from: y11971alex on Sun, 18 September 2016, 17:23:50
Quote from: chyros on Sun, 18 September 2016, 17:16:07

The F122 is fully FOUR KILOS, is it seriously heavier than that?!


One Reddit source claims 5.2 kg, which is quite remarkable.


I think that both of these are high.


I stand corrected. I must have been weighing one of my modded 122s without cable, etc.

My kitchen scale registers a 611347 from 7AUG84 with original cable at 4147 grams (9 lb, 2.5 oz) and the cable itself weighs in at 105 g (4 oz). That probably includes an ounce or 2 of waffle rubber padding in the bottom pan.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 19 September 2016, 07:51:23 »
I got both F122 and F107 in a single package a couple of months ago. This was a fun package to receive :). I can confirm that F122 is around 4kg. F107, because of its metal top case, is even heavier, around 4,5kg.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 23 September 2016, 22:27:02 »
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #38 on: Sat, 24 September 2016, 13:41:22 »
Split Straw mod?



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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #39 on: Sat, 24 September 2016, 14:20:55 »
Quote from: y11971alex on Sat, 24 September 2016, 13:41:22
Split Straw mod?

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Interesting mod, I've never seen that before. Is it supposed to prevent the barrels from touching the foam?
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #40 on: Sat, 24 September 2016, 15:00:55 »
Quote from: sleepy916 on Sat, 24 September 2016, 14:20:55
Quote from: y11971alex on Sat, 24 September 2016, 13:41:22
Split Straw mod?

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Interesting mode, I've never seen that before. Is it supposed to prevent the barrels from touching the foam?
The foam completely disintegrated.  I am using the straws as a spacer.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #41 on: Sat, 24 September 2016, 19:52:19 »
Wouldn't expect that to work well.  Only partially support the bottom of the barrel and nothing for the top, cantilevering them a bit.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #42 on: Sat, 24 September 2016, 21:41:49 »
Quote from: 0100010 on Sat, 24 September 2016, 19:52:19
Wouldn't expect that to work well.  Only partially support the bottom of the barrel and nothing for the top, cantilevering them a bit.
You're completely right.   :p

I'm thinking about just going foamless for now.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #43 on: Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:27:10 »
Quote from: 0100010 on Sat, 24 September 2016, 19:52:19
Wouldn't expect that to work well.  Only partially support the bottom of the barrel and nothing for the top, cantilevering them a bit.
Hmm, well that's disappointing because I was considering trying it. I guess I'll just get myself some replacement foam for my F107, whose restoration is underway.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #44 on: Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:45:36 »
Quote from: Wingpad on Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:27:10
Quote from: 0100010 on Sat, 24 September 2016, 19:52:19
Wouldn't expect that to work well.  Only partially support the bottom of the barrel and nothing for the top, cantilevering them a bit.
Hmm, well that's disappointing because I was considering trying it. I guess I'll just get myself some replacement foam for my F107, whose restoration is underway.
How heavy is the keyboard?  We're all interested in a measurement.  You could check the shipping label, which usually records the weight.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #45 on: Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:48:32 »
Quote from: y11971alex on Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:45:36
How heavy is the keyboard?  We're all interested in a measurement.  You could check the shipping label, which usually records the weight.
Shipping label says 12 lbs or 5.44 kg, if you take out the packing materials you'd probably end up with ~5 kg. Not sure how accurate that is, though.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #46 on: Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:54:12 »
Quote from: Wingpad on Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:48:32
Quote from: y11971alex on Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:45:36
How heavy is the keyboard?  We're all interested in a measurement.  You could check the shipping label, which usually records the weight.
Shipping label says 12 lbs or 5.44 kg, if you take out the packing materials you'd probably end up with ~5 kg. Not sure how accurate that is, though.
Phew, my keyboard is still heavier.  :p  15 lbs packed, 14 unpacked.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #47 on: Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:55:40 »
Quote from: y11971alex on Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:54:12
Phew, my keyboard is still heavier.  :p  15 lbs packed, 14 unpacked.
Eh, I'll just cast a few lead pieces to fill the empty spaces in the F107 and that should make up the difference :P
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
« Reply #48 on: Sun, 25 September 2016, 01:13:28 »
Quote from: Wingpad on Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:55:40
Quote from: y11971alex on Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:54:12
Phew, my keyboard is still heavier.  :p  15 lbs packed, 14 unpacked.
Eh, I'll just cast a few lead pieces to fill the empty spaces in the F107 and that should make up the difference :P
Well, I think your next stop is beam spring.  Keep an eye out for one of those!  They're so solid but gentle at the same time.
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Re: F122 6110344 Get!
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