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Re: CHERRY switches have NEW stems, supersmooth!
« Reply #200 on: Tue, 09 May 2017, 15:50:13 »
Is there anyone interested in sending to haata some silent, new and vintage switches for testing? Having some accurate tests would be great :-) We could raise some money if the delivery is expensive.

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« Reply #201 on: Tue, 09 May 2017, 15:58:37 »
Is there anyone interested in sending to haata some silent, new and vintage switches for testing? Having some accurate tests would be great :-) We could raise some money if the delivery is expensive.

Where is HaaTa located?

But we also have to make sure that his gauze is still there, especially if he is also into using fire or acid etc for experimentation.
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Re: CHERRY switches have NEW stems, supersmooth!
« Reply #202 on: Tue, 09 May 2017, 17:29:04 »
Is there anyone interested in sending to haata some silent, new and vintage switches for testing? Having some accurate tests would be great :-) We could raise some money if the delivery is expensive.

Where is HaaTa located?

But we also have to make sure that his gauze is still there, especially if he is also into using fire or acid etc for experimentation.

Deskthority country?

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« Reply #203 on: Tue, 09 May 2017, 19:20:03 »
I can donate a variety of my NOS switches! Shipping is really cheap for CONUS stuff since it looks like he's in SoCal
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« Reply #204 on: Tue, 09 May 2017, 22:02:59 »
I'd like to point out that I have purchased NIB vintage blacks, and I find them to be much scratchier than used vintage blacks. I guess how hard they are used really has a large effect since I have some mx blacks from a 2004 cop keyboard. They are smoother than my NIB vintage blacks, however, used vintage blacks are the smoothest. I can't comment on the new mx blacks since I don't have any yet, but I can compare them if I ever purchase them.

On another note, does anyone know if all mx nature white switches are new stem? I think Zeal commented that they were, however, I got a user to open one up and the stem was not angled like the new stems.

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Re: CHERRY switches have NEW stems, supersmooth!
« Reply #205 on: Wed, 10 May 2017, 02:29:10 »
Is there anyone interested in sending to haata some silent, new and vintage switches for testing? Having some accurate tests would be great :-) We could raise some money if the delivery is expensive.

Has he ever indicated that he wants or needs anyone to send him switches? Right now I have no idea what he does and does not have. No doubt once he's caught up with what he does have he'll make it known somehow of which switch types he's been unable to acquire by fair means or foul. I'm assuming that anything that we can find, he's already bought before we did, and that he's more likely to need some of the more obscure parts.
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« Reply #206 on: Wed, 10 May 2017, 04:06:09 »
I'd like to point out that I have purchased NIB vintage blacks, and I find them to be much scratchier than used vintage blacks. I guess how hard they are used really has a large effect since I have some mx blacks from a 2004 cop keyboard.
I'd like to point out that source and storage matter.

Every single vintage Cherry G80 that I've owned has had butter smooth switches, regardless of wear. Wyse not so much.

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« Reply #207 on: Wed, 10 May 2017, 06:08:38 »
Is there anyone interested in sending to haata some silent, new and vintage switches for testing? Having some accurate tests would be great :-) We could raise some money if the delivery is expensive.

Has he ever indicated that he wants or needs anyone to send him switches? Right now I have no idea what he does and does not have. No doubt once he's caught up with what he does have he'll make it known somehow of which switch types he's been unable to acquire by fair means or foul. I'm assuming that anything that we can find, he's already bought before we did, and that he's more likely to need some of the more obscure parts.

Yes he did. I don't remember in what thread.

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« Reply #208 on: Tue, 16 May 2017, 05:21:20 »
So are new MX Clears smooth now, or what? Did we find out yet?

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« Reply #209 on: Tue, 16 May 2017, 08:12:13 »
I'd like to point out that I have purchased NIB vintage blacks, and I find them to be much scratchier than used vintage blacks. I guess how hard they are used really has a large effect since I have some mx blacks from a 2004 cop keyboard.
I'd like to point out that source and storage matter.

Every single vintage Cherry G80 that I've owned has had butter smooth switches, regardless of wear. Wyse not so much.

Where do you pick up G80 series with buttery smooth cherry mx blacks?
I've recently purchased 2 NIB Wyse keyboard as well as PCB+Cherry MX Blacks shipping from Germany and they all feel like they got sands in between the parts.

Didn't sound as bad as the new Cherry MX Black, but at this point I'm willing to try out the new-new Cherry MX Black that people supposedly claim are better than the New Cherry MX Black or normal "vintage Cherry MX Black."

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« Reply #210 on: Tue, 16 May 2017, 08:20:44 »
Better buy new than ruin a nice vintage keyboard.

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« Reply #211 on: Tue, 16 May 2017, 08:21:56 »
I've made some pictures. I'll post them as soon as I remember. They're.... interesting.
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« Reply #212 on: Tue, 16 May 2017, 12:08:18 »
I've made some pictures. I'll post them as soon as I remember. They're.... interesting.

Did you make a video?
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« Reply #213 on: Wed, 17 May 2017, 18:50:37 »
Just received some MX Blacks from mechanicalkeyboards.com. They are the old style switches and are far from what I would consider smooth.

Also picked up some MX Clears. They are the old style but are notably smoother than the Blacks I received.
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« Reply #214 on: Wed, 17 May 2017, 19:27:55 »
Um, when I called them they did not say the blacks were the 'new-new'.. I think they were confused.
However I had a confirmation from e-mail that Switchtop? has the new-new cherry mx blacks.

Try them and let us know. Someone above in this thread mentioned the SwitchTop does really have new-new blacks.

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« Reply #215 on: Thu, 18 May 2017, 06:18:21 »
Ask for pictures of the switches. We'll look at them.

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« Reply #216 on: Sat, 20 May 2017, 10:50:33 »
Where do you pick up G80 series with buttery smooth cherry mx blacks?
I've recently purchased 2 NIB Wyse keyboard as well as PCB+Cherry MX Blacks shipping from Germany and they all feel like they got sands in between the parts.

Didn't sound as bad as the new Cherry MX Black, but at this point I'm willing to try out the new-new Cherry MX Black that people supposedly claim are better than the New Cherry MX Black or normal "vintage Cherry MX Black."

Did you run some maintenance on the boards before using them? I've recently traded for a couple of G80 and once everything was washed and brushed, man, I'm in linear paradise. Still can't wait for my new switches to arrive so I can compare.
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« Reply #217 on: Sun, 21 May 2017, 07:40:29 »
Where do you pick up G80 series with buttery smooth cherry mx blacks?
I've recently purchased 2 NIB Wyse keyboard as well as PCB+Cherry MX Blacks shipping from Germany and they all feel like they got sands in between the parts.

Didn't sound as bad as the new Cherry MX Black, but at this point I'm willing to try out the new-new Cherry MX Black that people supposedly claim are better than the New Cherry MX Black or normal "vintage Cherry MX Black."

Did you run some maintenance on the boards before using them? I've recently traded for a couple of G80 and once everything was washed and brushed, man, I'm in linear paradise. Still can't wait for my new switches to arrive so I can compare.

My supersmooth g80-1800 in DE layout came from Amazon

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« Reply #218 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 08:19:43 »
Has anyone had a Leopold board with these retooled switches yet?

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« Reply #219 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 13:34:06 »
Has anyone had a Leopold board with these retooled switches yet?

The Leopold FC660M I got from www.mechanicalkeyboards.com back in January of this year came with the new retooled version of MX blacks. This was actually the 1st time I realized something had changed since I was expecting the switches in this to be fairly scratchy until it got broken in. To my surprise they were buttery smooth right out of the box. :eek:
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The 1st pic is just to show that it is a FC660M with Cherry blacks, but in the second pic you can see the top of the stem before the cross for the caps has the new single angle finish that indicates it is in fact a switch produced from the new tooling.
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Here is a pic of a MX tactile grey produced with the old tooling for comparison. See how the top of the stem before the cross for the caps has a stepped finish vs the single angle finish of the new blacks. IME this is the easiest way to tell if a pre-built board that doesn't allow for switch opening has Cherry switches produced with the new or old tooling. :thumb:
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« Reply #220 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 14:27:32 »
Oh great, good to know that they exist. I might order one from mykeyboard.eu then. I always wanted to try a Leopold and getting to also try the retooled switches would be awesome. I just hope that their stock isn't too old.

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« Reply #221 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 14:39:27 »
Where do you pick up G80 series with buttery smooth cherry mx blacks?
I've recently purchased 2 NIB Wyse keyboard as well as PCB+Cherry MX Blacks shipping from Germany and they all feel like they got sands in between the parts.

Didn't sound as bad as the new Cherry MX Black, but at this point I'm willing to try out the new-new Cherry MX Black that people supposedly claim are better than the New Cherry MX Black or normal "vintage Cherry MX Black."

Did you run some maintenance on the boards before using them? I've recently traded for a couple of G80 and once everything was washed and brushed, man, I'm in linear paradise. Still can't wait for my new switches to arrive so I can compare.

My supersmooth g80-1800 in DE layout came from Amazon

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« Reply #222 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 14:55:12 »
I own two Leopold FC980M keyboards with black switches and I can confirm they are extremelly smooth (I can compare them with the switches on my old Tesoro Durandal G1N). On the contrary, the same model with reds had very scratchy switches (I returned it).

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« Reply #223 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 16:19:34 »
Oh great, good to know that they exist. I might order one from mykeyboard.eu then. I always wanted to try a Leopold and getting to also try the retooled switches would be awesome. I just hope that their stock isn't too old.

You could try emailing them & see if they know which revision of switches the boards you're interested in are using. Afaik I know though, Cherry is still denying any changes & being very tight lipped about this. So they may not be able to tell you for sure as many people, even ones in the business are still unaware of the newest variant of MX linear switches. I would say it's still a crap shoot buying pre built boards with Cherry linear switches if you're looking to get the newest version of them. Hell it's still a crap shoot buying the switches by themselves unless you can get confirmation TBH. Also right now I'm not sure if the retooled stems are used on all of Cherry's MX lineup or not for sure. I mistakenly reported earlier in this thread that those MX Greys had the retooled stem, but upon further inspection they are definitely of the older variety. :-[

Leopold is good choice for sure though. I got that FC660M right before I got my soldering equipment & started building/modding MKBs to my liking. Compared to any other pre-built MKBs I owned or tried it is definitely the most solid, best feeling one of the lot. So even if you don't get one that has the retooled MX Linears, that is nothing some thin Krytox/krytox mix can't fix if you're handy with a soldering iron & willing to take on a project like that. I was personally really impressed with Leopold's build quality & think it would be worth it, even with the re-tooled linears to give the board that extra bit of polish that'll make it a really great feeling board. I intend on de-soldering all the switches from my 660M so I can lube them & clip/lube the stabs as soon as I re-up on GH's thin Krytox mix. :thumb:
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« Reply #224 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 16:20:35 »
Just received some MX Blacks from mechanicalkeyboards.com. They are the old style switches and are far from what I would consider smooth.

Also picked up some MX Clears. They are the old style but are notably smoother than the Blacks I received.
Do keycaps get stuck on those MX Clears?

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« Reply #225 on: Thu, 25 May 2017, 18:42:29 »
Just received some MX Blacks from mechanicalkeyboards.com. They are the old style switches and are far from what I would consider smooth.

Also picked up some MX Clears. They are the old style but are notably smoother than the Blacks I received.
Do keycaps get stuck on those MX Clears?

As far as I know, all Clears have relatively tight stems. If you leave some keycaps on brand new Clears for a couple weeks, they will loosen up a bit and it will be easier to remove them.
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« Reply #226 on: Thu, 25 May 2017, 20:37:23 »
Just received some MX Blacks from mechanicalkeyboards.com. They are the old style switches and are far from what I would consider smooth.

Also picked up some MX Clears. They are the old style but are notably smoother than the Blacks I received.
Do keycaps get stuck on those MX Clears?

As far as I know, all Clears have relatively tight stems. If you leave some keycaps on brand new Clears for a couple weeks, they will loosen up a bit and it will be easier to remove them.
I guess yours must not have been made with new molds then.

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« Reply #227 on: Fri, 26 May 2017, 14:04:13 »
Also picked up some MX Clears. They are the old style
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« Reply #228 on: Mon, 29 May 2017, 15:39:10 »
Can someone comment on whether the new Brown switches really are smoother and more tactile?

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« Reply #229 on: Mon, 29 May 2017, 15:40:20 »
Can someone comment on whether the new Brown switches really are smoother and more tactile?

Tactility wouldn't change as the stem shape stays the same.

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« Reply #230 on: Tue, 30 May 2017, 00:25:00 »
Can someone comment on whether the new Brown switches really are smoother and more tactile?
They shouldn't feel any different other than being smoother.

Perhaps the Browns feel a little snappier since there is not as much scratchiness, as the bump is so tiny in the first place.

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« Reply #231 on: Thu, 15 June 2017, 14:47:05 »
Any updates on this?

Looking for some smooth Cherry linears.

Any word on if the MX Reds have been updated with the smoother stems, or just Black and possibly brown?

I find MX Black a bit heavy but would get them and swap springs if they're smooth.

One thing nobody mentions in Cherry VS Zealios VS Gateron etc is the very different sound they make. Cherry housing seems to make the best sound.
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« Reply #232 on: Thu, 22 June 2017, 15:37:54 »
One thing nobody mentions in Cherry VS Zealios VS Gateron etc is the very different sound they make. Cherry housing seems to make the best sound.

If I read this a few months ago I would have laughed because I hadn't found discussions about how the different plastic of the switch housing affect the sound. YET.  ;)
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« Reply #233 on: Thu, 22 June 2017, 21:54:34 »

One thing nobody mentions in Cherry VS Zealios VS Gateron etc is the very different sound they make. Cherry housing seems to make the best sound.

I just recently noticed this also, Gateron seems to be a good amount louder than Cherry, so far i like the Cherry sound more.
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« Reply #234 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 12:09:34 »

One thing nobody mentions in Cherry VS Zealios VS Gateron etc is the very different sound they make. Cherry housing seems to make the best sound.

I just recently noticed this also, Gateron seems to be a good amount louder than Cherry, so far i like the Cherry sound more.

Mh. Not good information for me. :( Thank goodness I have so many Cherry switches now, I can swap the housings.
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Re: CHERRY switches have NEW stems, supersmooth!
« Reply #235 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 17:07:32 »
Can anyone confirm that the new Cherry MX Silvers are cast from the new mould?

Edit: Curious because if not, I'm going to opt for MX Reds or Blacks.
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« Reply #236 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 18:47:20 »
Can anyone confirm that the new Cherry MX Silvers are cast from the new mould?

Edit: Curious because if not, I'm going to opt for MX Reds or Blacks.

Are MX Reds updated?
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Re: CHERRY switches have NEW stems, supersmooth!
« Reply #237 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 18:51:34 »
Can anyone confirm that the new Cherry MX Silvers are cast from the new mould?

Edit: Curious because if not, I'm going to opt for MX Reds or Blacks.

Are MX Reds updated?

If you go back a few pages you can see that they're updated.

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« Reply #238 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 18:56:59 »
Just double checked my MX Blues on my FC980M I purchased a couple of weeks ago and it is using the new mould. I've noticed that they are even louder than traditional blues.


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« Reply #239 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 19:36:28 »
Just waiting for someone to say they've seen some updated Clears.
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« Reply #240 on: Fri, 30 June 2017, 21:34:37 »
It appears that the two Pok3rs (non-RGB, non-backlit, black and white models) I purchased from mechanicalkeyboards.com a few weeks ago also have the new tooling, judging by the chamfered edge of the slider, at least.


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« Reply #241 on: Sat, 01 July 2017, 03:09:40 »
It appears that the two Pok3rs (non-RGB, non-backlit, black and white models) I purchased from mechanicalkeyboards.com a few weeks ago also have the new tooling, judging by the chamfered edge of the slider, at least.

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Are they smooth?

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« Reply #242 on: Sat, 01 July 2017, 05:07:54 »
It appears that the two Pok3rs (non-RGB, non-backlit, black and white models) I purchased from mechanicalkeyboards.com a few weeks ago also have the new tooling, judging by the chamfered edge of the slider, at least.

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How are they?

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Re: CHERRY switches have NEW stems, supersmooth!
« Reply #243 on: Sat, 01 July 2017, 06:50:35 »
They seem really smooth to me, although my experience is limited (I haven't been able to try the original Cherry Reds or any of their other linear switches prior to the new tooling).  A coworker of mine who has a board with the old Cherry Reds tried one of my Pok3rs and said the new switches felt very smooth, similar to Cherry Reds that have been well-worn over a long period of time.

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Re: CHERRY switches have NEW stems, supersmooth!
« Reply #244 on: Sat, 01 July 2017, 10:54:57 »
They seem really smooth to me, although my experience is limited (I haven't been able to try the original Cherry Reds or any of their other linear switches prior to the new tooling).  A coworker of mine who has a board with the old Cherry Reds tried one of my Pok3rs and said the new switches felt very smooth, similar to Cherry Reds that have been well-worn over a long period of time.

Nice. I really like MX Reds but they're a bit gritty... If it weren't for that, they'd be my favorite linear switch.
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Re: CHERRY switches have NEW stems, supersmooth!
« Reply #245 on: Sat, 01 July 2017, 12:38:45 »
Got a 100 tactile grey from mechanicalkeyboards.com this morning; still using the old tooling by the looks of it. Believe it's the same mold as clears, so not too surprising.

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Re: CHERRY switches have NEW stems, supersmooth!
« Reply #246 on: Sat, 01 July 2017, 13:46:15 »
Awesome info, thanks for sharing! :)


Edit: So only confirmed is the linear & clicky blues?
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Re: CHERRY switches have NEW stems, supersmooth!
« Reply #247 on: Sat, 01 July 2017, 14:08:42 »
They seem really smooth to me, although my experience is limited (I haven't been able to try the original Cherry Reds or any of their other linear switches prior to the new tooling).  A coworker of mine who has a board with the old Cherry Reds tried one of my Pok3rs and said the new switches felt very smooth, similar to Cherry Reds that have been well-worn over a long period of time.

Probably they are the new ones then!

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Re: CHERRY switches have NEW stems, supersmooth!
« Reply #248 on: Sat, 01 July 2017, 16:35:06 »
I've ordered a sample of various linears.

x5 Kailh Speed Silvers

x10 SMD Gateron Yellows

x10 MX Blacks (switchtop guarantees they're retooled)

I have a hot-swappable keyboard so I'll play around with them for a bit and post my findings here.

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Re: CHERRY switches have NEW stems, supersmooth!
« Reply #249 on: Wed, 05 July 2017, 16:35:07 »
This week I received three different linear switches: Gateron Yellows, Kailh Speed Silver, and MX Black Here is my findings.

The Gateron Yellows and MX Blacks aside from the weighting, feel about the same. Neither are very smooth imo.

Kailh Speeds are the best feeling. Smoother than the Gaterons or Cherry. They're also the less wobbly than the Gaterons but MX Blacks are slightly less wobbly than the Kailhs.

None of these hold a candle to my linear modded Salmons, though.