[IC] GMK DOOM | GB NOW LIVE!

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Looks good

Thank you for the feedback!

I will get some renders produced as soon as possible.

What is the best way to design novelties?

[Vigrith]

Shaping up very nicely!

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Shaping up very nicely!

Thank you!

[TalkingTree]

Don't take this too seriously but, when I look at this album cover, I picture this scheme.



Colours used:
CR/CB
CB/CR
V2/CR

KLE link for your convenience.

[calavera]

can't wait to see GMK render pics when it moves to the next stage.

[Applet]

As a 75% user I would have liked the alternative profile pgup/pgdown and home/end keys (also for 65% users), but I understand if those are sacrificed to keep the set economical.

[Rafa_n]

As a 75% user I would have liked the alternative profile pgup/pgdown and home/end keys (also for 65% users), but I understand if those are sacrificed to keep the set economical.

+1

75% and 65% have become very popular in the last year, and they only require 3 or 4 extra keys.

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can't wait to see GMK render pics when it moves to the next stage.

The renders will be available soon!

As a 75% user I would have liked the alternative profile pgup/pgdown and home/end keys (also for 65% users), but I understand if those are sacrificed to keep the set economical.

+1

75% and 65% have become very popular in the last year, and they only require 3 or 4 extra keys.

I am happy to make this compatible with 75% keyboards. Which extra keys are required, and which Row should they be?

[Mr_BeastQuake]

I am happy to make this compatible with 75% keyboards. Which extra keys are required, and which Row should they be?

I believe, R2 Pg Up, R3 Pg Dn, R4 End would make it 75% compatible. The R1 Del is supplied by the 1800 compatibility.

[x86ect]

Any chance we could get a R1, 1u, backspace?  Left arrow or BS works.

I joined just for this set. 

[breckstar]

more orange Love this set up

[Applet]

I believe, R2 Pg Up, R3 Pg Dn, R4 End would make it 75% compatible

Yes, exactly, I was thinking of those keys

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I believe, R2 Pg Up, R3 Pg Dn, R4 End would make it 75% compatible. The R1 Del is supplied by the 1800 compatibility.

Yes, exactly, I was thinking of those keys

Thank you for the help, I have added those keys.

Any chance we could get a R1, 1u, backspace?  Left arrow or BS works.

I joined just for this set. 

Thank you for the support. I have included the R1 1u Backspace.

Here is the new base kit.

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Should I include any other space bar sizes?

Currently the only space bar sizes are 6.25u and 7u.

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Base Kit - 140 GBP / 174.324 USD / 161.564 EUR

NOTE: THESE PRICES ARE BASED ON THE EXCHANGE RATE USED ON 22/03/2017. PRICES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

[LDobler]

This is rather expenisve
Especially for a EU GMK GB...

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[Vigrith]

This is rather expenisve
Especially for a EU GMK GB...

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Did you expect to not have to pay VAT just because it's an European GMK buy? That's not how it works at all.

[Mr_BeastQuake]

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Base Kit - 140 GBP / 174.324 USD / 161.564 EUR

NOTE: THESE PRICES ARE BASED ON THE EXCHANGE RATE USED ON 22/03/2017. PRICES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

What do you expect shipping to US to be?

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This is rather expenisve
Especially for a EU GMK GB...

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This is rather expenisve
Especially for a EU GMK GB...

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Did you expect to not have to pay VAT just because it's an European GMK buy? That's not how it works at all.

The reason this is more expensive than originally planned is because a large amount of keys have been added to make this set compatible with more layouts.

What do you expect shipping to US to be?

Shipping to the UK: 5 GBP
Shipping to the EU: 7.50 GBP
Shipping to North America: 10 GBP

At this moment these prices are rough estimates, but it is likely they will not change. I do not want there to be large shipping fees with this set.

[Vigrith]

The reason this is more expensive than originally planned is because a large amount of keys have been added to make this set compatible with more layouts.

I understand - my sole point was that the person I replied to seemed to be implying that the prices are high for an EU (or UK, I guess) GMK buy as if the prices are supposed to be that different from an US one; VAT is basically the same, only difference is it is already included in the base price rather than having to pay it upon distribution arrival.

Shipping prices are awesome, by the way.

[LDobler]

Sorry, I didn't know how GBs work behind the scenes. Please ignore my comment :/

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[Vigrith]

I wasn't trying to be abrasive, most people don't fully understand how VAT works in general, not just relating to GBs; I won't go into it extensively as I don't want to derail the thread too hard but basically you pay VAT based on your location, not place of origin of the package - if you're in the EU, you pay VAT, does not matter where the product is produced, only where it will end up. If you go and buy pot noodles from the supermarket for 1€, anywhere between 19 and 25% of that will be VAT, the only difference is it'll be called something else (in Portugal its abbreviation is IVA) and it will be included in the asking price from the get go.

If someone from the US purchases GMK sets, seeing as they will not stay within the EU and will be exported to a place with no tax (save a few states where there's state taxing), the VAT (19% in Germany) is deducted from the final price - this is how it works in theory, some businesses don't handle it properly and then it gets confusing but if all is done according to how the law works, that should be how it is handled for most industry sectors I am familiar with. Thus, if something is produced within the EU and distributed within the EU, VAT still applies.

[LDobler]

Thanks for the insight

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The reason this is more expensive than originally planned is because a large amount of keys have been added to make this set compatible with more layouts.

I understand - my sole point was that the person I replied to seemed to be implying that the prices are high for an EU (or UK, I guess) GMK buy as if the prices are supposed to be that different from an US one; VAT is basically the same, only difference is it is already included in the base price rather than having to pay it upon distribution arrival.

Shipping prices are awesome, by the way.

Without going into too many details, this is fairly accurate.

Thank you, I understand the price for the set is high and I don't want to force potential buyers away with large shipping fees.

[x86ect]

How much is it to do novelties? A 1u, R1, "RAID" key (for ESC) would be cool.

There is a duplicate grey negation key (on either side of the tilde)... We can replace that one!

[Mr_BeastQuake]

The base cost is pretty high. May doom (heh) a novelties kit? While I appreciate the complete compatibility, I don't think it's necessary to not expect some flexibility by the purchasers. I mean, just because there is one request doesn't mean it needs to be added. It worries me as if that continues to be the case and it's not broken into kits, it'll become very bloated in price.

As it stands this is on the very edge of what I would pay for a GB GMK set. Similar to Terminal.

[Vigrith]

^ agreed. Careful catering to every single weird request like stepped 1.75u FN keys and stuff like that, just look at every other successful GMK buy and copy them more or less and see what you end up with (eg. Muted that's currently being ran, Terminal, Carbon, etc.).

[Vypr]

The base cost is pretty high. May doom (heh) a novelties kit? While I appreciate the complete compatibility, I don't think it's necessary to not expect some flexibility by the purchasers. I mean, just because there is one request doesn't mean it needs to be added. It worries me as if that continues to be the case and it's not broken into kits, it'll become very bloated in price.

As it stands this is on the very edge of what I would pay for a GB GMK set. Similar to Terminal.

^ agreed. Careful catering to every single weird request like stepped 1.75u FN keys and stuff like that, just look at every other successful GMK buy and copy them more or less and see what you end up with (eg. Muted that's currently being ran, Terminal, Carbon, etc.).

I'd be ok with separating keys into separate add-on kits if it meant the whole project would be more successful

[jal]

Just noticed this thread.

I adore this. A low-contrast gray-black set like this is exactly what I've wanted. Found a set a while back that was close, but was crappy quality.

Very much in, probably for two. (What? They're small.)

[Applet]

Yes, I agree it might be a better move to keep the kit at a bare minimum (just my personal opinions). That is a bit high for what I can pay for a keyset. (but please keep the hhkb support at least ). I'm sceptical that we can hit MOQ for child-sets

[Giorgio]

Could you add a 6x spacebar for 1800 layout?

[LDobler]

I would also prefer the bare minimum set. Like Stormtrooper

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[Giorgio]

It seems that you are having some problems in aligning your prices to the US based group buys.

Since you are based in the EU, at least still for some months, you can ask GMK to omit the payment of the VAT, this way your set will be 22% cheaper. You must give GMK a VAT registration number, it can be the number of a business, or something similar 

Furthermore, if this business is yours, or if it belongs to some friends of yours, you can deduct (don't know the exact term) this expense from your taxable income.
So in the end your set can be 20% ÷ 50% cheaper.

[TalkingTree]

Since you are based in the EU, at least still for some months, you can ask GMK to omit the payment of the VAT, this way your set will be 22% cheaper. You must give GMK a VAT registration number, it can be the number of a business, or something similar

You're actually suggesting a fraud here and I would strongly suggest the vendor not to follow this wicked advice.
I don't know about the criminal law in the UK but around here in Italy VAT fraud is a criminal offence and I wouldn't be surprised if it was anywhere similar.
The only legal way not to pay Germany's VAT, which is 19% FIY Giorgio, is to wait for the actual Brexit, that way the UK would be considered an extra-european country and therefore not subject to EU VAT.

[Giorgio]

Since you are based in the EU, at least still for some months, you can ask GMK to omit the payment of the VAT, this way your set will be 22% cheaper. You must give GMK a VAT registration number, it can be the number of a business, or something similar

You're actually suggesting a fraud here and I would strongly suggest the vendor not to follow this wicked advice.
I don't know about the criminal law in the UK but around here in Italy VAT fraud is a criminal offence and I wouldn't be surprised if it was anywhere similar.
The only legal way not to pay Germany's VAT, which is 19% FIY Giorgio, is to wait for the actual Brexit, that way the UK would be considered an extra-european country and therefore not subject to EU VAT.

Are out of your mind??? Correct your statement IMMEDIATELY. What's wrong with you?


Countries within the EU
Selling to businesses
If you sell goods to another business and these goods are sent to another EU country, you do not charge VAT - if the customer has a valid VAT number.

http://europa.eu/youreurope/business/vat-customs/cross-border/index_en.htm

[TalkingTree]

You must give GMK a VAT registration number, it can be the number of a business, or something similar

[..] if the customer has a valid VAT number.

This make a huge difference. You're suggesting to provide a VAT number of a business, not theirs. You're implying that they can just fill the field and forget about VAT.

[Giorgio]

You must give GMK a VAT registration number, it can be the number of a business, or something similar

[..] if the customer has a valid VAT number.

This make a huge difference. You're suggesting to provide a VAT number of a business, not theirs. You're implying that they can just fill the field and forget about VAT.

Something similar, I meant a professional, a doctor, a plumber, any****ing thing. What the **** do I know of what kind of job he does. And of course this number hasn't to be his number. If you have a friend in any business that is interested in running this, it hasn't to be his number you lunatic.

[x86ect]

In the interest of saving some money, and reaching MOQ, here are some possible keys to get rid of (just my opinion obviously):
1) the RAID key idea
2) since split delete seems rare, could we just have one of the colours? Black is more versatile, but orange fits with the theme (choice is yours).  This could also be a plain left arrow, if it costs less to manufacture (though the original idea is cool)
3) the extra negation key
4) usually the ESC key is a different colour; the tilde and negation keys don't seem to "require" those colours the way the ESC does. Maybe just keep them in black...?
5) the 2 different coloured 1.5u backspace; maybe pick one colour since it's a rare key too

[ricyuyc]

I think orange color in V1 is better.

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I have taken all of the opinions into consideration and I am working with GMK to make this set more affordable.

Here are the changes that I have made so far:

- Removed coloured tilde keys.
- Removed extra barred F and J keys. The F and J are now barred as standard.
- Changed the arrow on the 1.5u Delete Key, to the word "Delete".
- Removed Black 1.5u Delete Key.
- Removed Black 1u Delete/Backspace Key.
- Removed R1 1u "Del, Pg Dn and End" Keys. This means that this set will no longer be compatible with 1800 style keyboards.

Please let me know your thoughts and feedback on these changes. I will provide you with an updated quote as soon as possible.

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For this revised set:



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Base Kit - 125 GBP / 156.60 USD / 145.17 EUR

NOTE: THESE PRICES ARE BASED ON THE EXCHANGE RATE USED ON 23/03/2017. PRICES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

[Atredl]

Please don't remove the black 1.5u delete key. Without it, I can't get myself to buy this set.

[Acerk]

I like the concept, but think it would be a bit more appealing if there was some distinction between modifiers and alphas.

Keeping with the dark concept, made up of the 3 darkest shades GMK offers.




Hard to say what this would look like on a keyboard.

[Mr_BeastQuake]

I would add 1800 compatibility back as it is fairly popular. I would probably remove the 1.5u Orange Delete in favor of a black. I would probably require the people who want a 1u Backspace to suffice with the R1 Delete key supplied by 1800 compatibility.

I think since a lot of the attraction of this set is the ability to use it as a solely grey on black keyset, it would hurt it to remove the non-accent colored caps in favor of just having the accent colored caps. Rather, it may be better (if the option is to eliminate one or the other) to eliminate the accented version while leaving the base colored version. I definitely get where the want for the accent is coming from but I also think the 2u orange Backspace still effectively captures that.

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Please don't remove the black 1.5u delete key. Without it, I can't get myself to buy this set.

I would add 1800 compatibility back as it is fairly popular. I would probably remove the 1.5u Orange Delete in favor of a black. I would probably require the people who want a 1u Backspace to suffice with the R1 Delete key supplied by 1800 compatibility.

I think since a lot of the attraction of this set is the ability to use it as a solely grey on black keyset, it would hurt it to remove the non-accent colored caps in favor of just having the accent colored caps. Rather, it may be better (if the option is to eliminate one or the other) to eliminate the accented version while leaving the base colored version. I definitely get where the want for the accent is coming from but I also think the 2u orange Backspace still effectively captures that.

Are you suggesting layout similar to this?

[x86ect]

Please don't remove the black 1.5u delete key. Without it, I can't get myself to buy this set.

I would add 1800 compatibility back as it is fairly popular. I would probably remove the 1.5u Orange Delete in favor of a black. I would probably require the people who want a 1u Backspace to suffice with the R1 Delete key supplied by 1800 compatibility.

I think since a lot of the attraction of this set is the ability to use it as a solely grey on black keyset, it would hurt it to remove the non-accent colored caps in favor of just having the accent colored caps. Rather, it may be better (if the option is to eliminate one or the other) to eliminate the accented version while leaving the base colored version. I definitely get where the want for the accent is coming from but I also think the 2u orange Backspace still effectively captures that.

Are you suggesting layout similar to this?

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YES PLEASE!  Keep the 1u backspace!

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YES PLEASE!  Keep the 1u backspace!

It is going to stay, there probably just won't be a coloured version of it.

[x86ect]

It is going to stay, there probably just won't be a coloured version of it.

Thank you kindly, good sir.  You may take my money.

[Mr_BeastQuake]

Please don't remove the black 1.5u delete key. Without it, I can't get myself to buy this set.

I would add 1800 compatibility back as it is fairly popular. I would probably remove the 1.5u Orange Delete in favor of a black. I would probably require the people who want a 1u Backspace to suffice with the R1 Delete key supplied by 1800 compatibility.

I think since a lot of the attraction of this set is the ability to use it as a solely grey on black keyset, it would hurt it to remove the non-accent colored caps in favor of just having the accent colored caps. Rather, it may be better (if the option is to eliminate one or the other) to eliminate the accented version while leaving the base colored version. I definitely get where the want for the accent is coming from but I also think the 2u orange Backspace still effectively captures that.

Are you suggesting layout similar to this?

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Yes, I'm sure others will disagree and lay down ultimatums of never joining without ____ key!

I use the 1.5u Backspace and I'd much rather have a base colored than an accented so I can match the set with whatever I'd want. 2u is used by a large majority (I have this too) so it makes sense to have both accented and non. 1800 compatibility is pretty much becoming standard compatibility to add. IMO opinion it works, hopefully can get the price down a bit.

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What if the base kit was all black with the additional orange backspace, but the novelties were bundled with the grey accents in a separate pack for those who wish to maintain the DOOM theme?

This would allow customers who want this just for the black and grey to purchase this, without having to pay to much and forcing them to purchase keys they do not want.

These would be the 2 kits:

- Base kits (All Black Keycaps with Grey Legends + 1 Orange Backspace)
- Novelties + Coloured Accents. (Grey Keycaps + Novelties)

Also what do you think about the second backspace being black but the legend being orange? This would be instead of the entire key being orange.