Filco Majestouch 2 TKL HAKAU White with Silent Reds

[iLLucionist]

This board.. has anyone seen it? It looks so lickable...

http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/filco-majestouch-2-hakua-tenkeyless-nkr-silent-soft-linear-action-usa-keyboard.asp

Guess what?
- still keyboard fixed attached to back
- still NOWHERE mention whether caps / control can be switched (an absolute necessity for me)
- still ABS caps

WTF FILCO. Step up yo game b*tch. This dissapoints... because that white looks so sleek. Only alternative with silent reds I see now is the hideous bad-soldered corsair K65 vengeance or the Leopold 750. SIGH.

EDIT: pics or it didn't happen:

[SpAmRaY]

Leopold FTW

[pixelpusher]

This board.. has anyone seen it? It looks so lickable...

http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/filco-majestouch-2-hakua-tenkeyless-nkr-silent-soft-linear-action-usa-keyboard.asp

Guess what?
- still keyboard fixed attached to back
- still NOWHERE mention whether caps / control can be switched (an absolute necessity for me)
- still ABS caps

WTF FILCO. Step up yo game b*tch. This dissapoints... because that white looks so sleek. Only alternative with silent reds I see now is the hideous bad-soldered corsair K65 vengeance or the Leopold 750. SIGH.

EDIT: pics or it didn't happen:

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On the switching caps and control, you can always pick up a Pegasus hoof.  Worked for me 
But I hear ya, they need to step up their game with some programming and pbt

[iLLucionist]

This board.. has anyone seen it? It looks so lickable...

http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/filco-majestouch-2-hakua-tenkeyless-nkr-silent-soft-linear-action-usa-keyboard.asp

Guess what?
- still keyboard fixed attached to back
- still NOWHERE mention whether caps / control can be switched (an absolute necessity for me)
- still ABS caps

WTF FILCO. Step up yo game b*tch. This dissapoints... because that white looks so sleek. Only alternative with silent reds I see now is the hideous bad-soldered corsair K65 vengeance or the Leopold 750. SIGH.

EDIT: pics or it didn't happen:

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On the switching caps and control, you can always pick up a Pegasus hoof.  Worked for me 
But I hear ya, they need to step up their game with some programming and pbt

What is this Pegasus hoof you are talking about?

[zslane]

I have the ANSI 104 version of the HAKUA. I also have a white Varmilo VA108M with MX silent reds. Both are terrific keyboards. Luckily I have no need to modify them in any way outside of swapping keycaps with SA keycaps.

[Tactile]

What is this Pegasus hoof you are talking about?

A fully programmable controller which installs without soldering or keyboard modification.

[atarione]

What is this Pegasus hoof you are talking about?

It is a replacement controller for the keyboard


https://1upkeyboards.com/filco-pegasus-hoof-controller.html

[rasmusx]

I received my Hakua tenkeyless with silent reds this week.

Nice keyboard and switches, but left shift is making clicky noise. It is very distinct from other keys. Probably stabilizers not doing their work properly. Very annoying, but I haven't had time to look into how to fix this issue yet. Also will add new keycaps soon there



If people are interested I can share some more pics.

[iLLucionist]

I received my Hakua tenkeyless with silent reds this week.

Nice keyboard and switches, but left shift is making clicky noise. It is very distinct from other keys. Probably stabilizers not doing their work properly. Very annoying, but I haven't had time to look into how to fix this issue yet. Also will add new keycaps soon there

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If people are interested I can share some more pics.

Mmmm that looks so sexy.

[iLLucionist]

I received my Hakua tenkeyless with silent reds this week.

Nice keyboard and switches, but left shift is making clicky noise. It is very distinct from other keys. Probably stabilizers not doing their work properly. Very annoying, but I haven't had time to look into how to fix this issue yet. Also will add new keycaps soon there

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If people are interested I can share some more pics.

How do you place the controller? And how then could I, for instance, swap control + caps lock?

Would you add o-rings to the board?

[keycapper]

WASD has a silent red option if you buy a barebones keyboard: http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/mechanical-keyboard/wasd-v2-104-key-barebones-mechanical-keyboard-889.html

[rasmusx]

Mmmm that looks so sexy.

Thanks

How do you place the controller? And how then could I, for instance, swap control + caps lock?

Would you add o-rings to the board?

Replacing controller is very easy. You just have to open the case, pull out old controller and then install new one. No soldering required.

Regarding o-rings, I don't see any reason to install them. Maybe possible lubing them later, but too early to tell. Keys are not worn in yet

[Targa-TV]

I wouldn't buy a white Filco because I'd always be worried about smudges and dirt but I have to admit that the Hakua looks very nice.
Also, mx silents in a Filco sounds absurd to me. The plate would still make the keys sing the A note every single press, which would make the quietness of the silents useless.
I can't wait to try them for a PCB mount board though.

Replacing controller is very easy. You just have to open the case, pull out old controller and then install new one. No soldering required.

?? Is this a thing for the tkl version only? Mine looks soldered in.

[rasmusx]

?? Is this a thing for the tkl version only? Mine looks soldered in.

This one is only for Filco Majestouch TKL version.

You could find more info about those controllers from here: http://bathroomepiphanies.com/controllers/

I ordered mine from 1upkeyboards.

[Targa-TV]

This one is only for Filco Majestouch TKL version.

You could find more info about those controllers from here: http://bathroomepiphanies.com/controllers/

I ordered mine from 1upkeyboards.

Thank you, I didn't notice that bit.
I was very tempted to replace mine once I looked into this programmable keyboard stuff but I'm looking into building an Ergodox or a Let's Split so I'll sell my Filco. I know that I can sell it more easily and for a higher price with one of bpiph's controllers but... Is it worth the hassle? I don't know.
Anyway, goddammit tkl have all the nice things.

[iLLucionist]

Mmmm that looks so sexy.

Thanks

How do you place the controller? And how then could I, for instance, swap control + caps lock?

Would you add o-rings to the board?

Replacing controller is very easy. You just have to open the case, pull out old controller and then install new one. No soldering required.

Regarding o-rings, I don't see any reason to install them. Maybe possible lubing them later, but too early to tell. Keys are not worn in yet

That sounds amazing... the only thig I dislike about the Filco is the attached cable. BUT YOLO LOOK AT DAT WHITE. MMMMMMM.

I should really check out how these controllers work. It sounds very nice.

[iLLucionist]

I wouldn't buy a white Filco because I'd always be worried about smudges and dirt but I have to admit that the Hakua looks very nice.
Also, mx silents in a Filco sounds absurd to me. The plate would still make the keys sing the A note every single press, which would make the quietness of the silents useless.
I can't wait to try them for a PCB mount board though.

Replacing controller is very easy. You just have to open the case, pull out old controller and then install new one. No soldering required.

?? Is this a thing for the tkl version only? Mine looks soldered in.

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I can imagine what you're saying. But... I also have a KUL ES-87 in I guess it's called smoke white? Anyway... it's clean, it's spotless. But I'm OCD near my keyboards.. always washed my hands, do not eat around it etc.

For the dampening, o-rings really work. I have the majestouch 2 with browns and that board is wicked load. When I went to thick (Ducky/Vortex) PBT caps with red o-rings, the board is nearly silent. You really don't hear resonance against the board, at least not with browns. YMMV of course.

PCB mount is really awesome. Except for HHKB...

[iLLucionist]

?? Is this a thing for the tkl version only? Mine looks soldered in.

This one is only for Filco Majestouch TKL version.

You could find more info about those controllers from here: http://bathroomepiphanies.com/controllers/

I ordered mine from 1upkeyboards.

Sooo... I order Pegasus hoof, pop the bad boy in above the arrow cluster and I'm set?

Or do I also have remove the old controller up top???

I am noob... I don't know how this works (yet).

[iLLucionist]

This one is only for Filco Majestouch TKL version.

You could find more info about those controllers from here: http://bathroomepiphanies.com/controllers/

I ordered mine from 1upkeyboards.

Thank you, I didn't notice that bit.
I was very tempted to replace mine once I looked into this programmable keyboard stuff but I'm looking into building an Ergodox or a Let's Split so I'll sell my Filco. I know that I can sell it more easily and for a higher price with one of bpiph's controllers but... Is it worth the hassle? I don't know.
Anyway, goddammit tkl have all the nice things.

TKL MASTERRACE. Nah joking, whatever works for you. But to me, TKL still looks cleanest of all layouts. But guess it's very personal.

[SpAmRaY]

?? Is this a thing for the tkl version only? Mine looks soldered in.

This one is only for Filco Majestouch TKL version.

You could find more info about those controllers from here: http://bathroomepiphanies.com/controllers/

I ordered mine from 1upkeyboards.

Sooo... I order Pegasus hoof, pop the bad boy in above the arrow cluster and I'm set?

Or do I also have remove the old controller up top???

I am noob... I don't know how this works (yet).

You pull out the original controller and put in the new one, in the tkl it's socket mounted.

Many custom cable makers make filco replacement cables that allows for using a removable cable. Check out pexon cables.

[iLLucionist]

I did it... iLLucionist has ordered MJT 2 TKL HAKAU White with Silent Reds and 40 hardness 1.5mm red o-rings. Couldn't resist... dat white. Will check out controller later.

Ouch though... included some other accessoires (kb + o-rings x 2 + 3x ps/2-usb + wire puller)... 164 GBP.... = 209 euro. WTF UK. Dat currency so expensive. TOTALLY WORTH IT 10/10

[iLLucionist]

?? Is this a thing for the tkl version only? Mine looks soldered in.

This one is only for Filco Majestouch TKL version.

You could find more info about those controllers from here: http://bathroomepiphanies.com/controllers/

I ordered mine from 1upkeyboards.

Sooo... I order Pegasus hoof, pop the bad boy in above the arrow cluster and I'm set?

Or do I also have remove the old controller up top???

I am noob... I don't know how this works (yet).

You pull out the original controller and put in the new one, in the tkl it's socket mounted.

Many custom cable makers make filco replacement cables that allows for using a removable cable. Check out pexon cables.

pexon cables eh? hmmm... white braided cable..

[SpAmRaY]

?? Is this a thing for the tkl version only? Mine looks soldered in.

This one is only for Filco Majestouch TKL version.

You could find more info about those controllers from here: http://bathroomepiphanies.com/controllers/

I ordered mine from 1upkeyboards.

Sooo... I order Pegasus hoof, pop the bad boy in above the arrow cluster and I'm set?

Or do I also have remove the old controller up top???

I am noob... I don't know how this works (yet).

You pull out the original controller and put in the new one, in the tkl it's socket mounted.

Many custom cable makers make filco replacement cables that allows for using a removable cable. Check out pexon cables.

pexon cables eh? hmmm... white braided cable..

https://pexonpcs.co.uk/collections/usb-cables/products/filco-keyboard-mods

He can probably make whatever you want.

[iLLucionist]

?? Is this a thing for the tkl version only? Mine looks soldered in.

This one is only for Filco Majestouch TKL version.

You could find more info about those controllers from here: http://bathroomepiphanies.com/controllers/

I ordered mine from 1upkeyboards.

Sooo... I order Pegasus hoof, pop the bad boy in above the arrow cluster and I'm set?

Or do I also have remove the old controller up top???

I am noob... I don't know how this works (yet).

You pull out the original controller and put in the new one, in the tkl it's socket mounted.

Many custom cable makers make filco replacement cables that allows for using a removable cable. Check out pexon cables.

pexon cables eh? hmmm... white braided cable..

https://pexonpcs.co.uk/collections/usb-cables/products/filco-keyboard-mods

He can probably make whatever you want.

Thanks! This is just pr0n..

[rasmusx]

Sooo... I order Pegasus hoof, pop the bad boy in above the arrow cluster and I'm set?

Or do I also have remove the old controller up top???

I am noob... I don't know how this works (yet).

1. Open the case
2. Pull out old controller:

3. Push in new controller
4. Run magnet over the controller to go into bootloader mode
5. Flash new firmware
6. Ensure that it works and that you have shortcut to go into bootloader mode
7. Close the case

I did it... iLLucionist has ordered MJT 2 TKL HAKAU White with Silent Reds and 40 hardness 1.5mm red o-rings. Couldn't resist... dat white. Will check out controller later.

Ouch though... included some other accessoires (kb + o-rings x 2 + 3x ps/2-usb + wire puller)... 164 GBP.... = 209 euro. WTF UK. Dat currency so expensive. TOTALLY WORTH IT 10/10

Nice! I hope you like your board and that it doesn't come with clicky stabilizer like mine (in the progress of sorting it out).

I will share Google drive folder with video, audio examples of my shift problem:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3kYrD73XM3bcWZtemRPNnBIckE

[iLLucionist]

Sooo... I order Pegasus hoof, pop the bad boy in above the arrow cluster and I'm set?

Or do I also have remove the old controller up top???

I am noob... I don't know how this works (yet).

1. Open the case
2. Pull out old controller:

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3. Push in new controller
4. Run magnet over the controller to go into bootloader mode
5. Flash new firmware
6. Ensure that it works and that you have shortcut to go into bootloader mode
7. Close the case

I did it... iLLucionist has ordered MJT 2 TKL HAKAU White with Silent Reds and 40 hardness 1.5mm red o-rings. Couldn't resist... dat white. Will check out controller later.

Ouch though... included some other accessoires (kb + o-rings x 2 + 3x ps/2-usb + wire puller)... 164 GBP.... = 209 euro. WTF UK. Dat currency so expensive. TOTALLY WORTH IT 10/10

Nice! I hope you like your board and that it doesn't come with clicky stabilizer like mine (in the progress of sorting it out).

I will share Google drive folder with video, audio examples of my shift problem:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3kYrD73XM3bcWZtemRPNnBIckE

Thanks! I'll let you know as soon as I got it. Time to check out dat controller looks spicy.

Run a magnet over? I don't even have magnets.. (really)

[zslane]

Also, mx silents in a Filco sounds absurd to me. The plate would still make the keys sing the A note every single press, which would make the quietness of the silents useless.

I have the full-size ANSI 104 version of the Filco HAKUA with MX silent reds and they don't sing any notes. The only noise you hear, really, is the slider friction.

[Targa-TV]

I have the full-size ANSI 104 version of the Filco HAKUA with MX silent reds and they don't sing any notes. The only noise you hear, really, is the slider friction.

Do you have any thoughts about how to decrease it?
I've tried o-rings, dampening material under the case, dampening material between the pcb and the case, dampening mat between pcb-case and case-desk and dampening mat between the table and the bare pcb.

[zslane]

The only way I know of to reduce the sound of slider friction is to lube the slider rails. That's more trouble than it's worth to me though, so I just put up with the friction. Supposedly, that diminishes with use anyway.

[iLLucionist]

I have the full-size ANSI 104 version of the Filco HAKUA with MX silent reds and they don't sing any notes. The only noise you hear, really, is the slider friction.

Do you have any thoughts about how to decrease it?
I've tried o-rings, dampening material under the case, dampening material between the pcb and the case, dampening mat between pcb-case and case-desk and dampening mat between the table and the bare pcb.

What kind of dampening material do you put in the case?

[Targa-TV]

What kind of dampening material do you put in the case?

Kitchen sponge! Kidding... but not really. I went to my local domestic tools store (I don't know if these are the right words, it's  a supermarket for everything for the house but food ok) with one of this. I went up to the owner like "I want this but way bigger" and he gave me this.

[zslane]

For killing the bottom-out noise that echoes around under the PCB and radiates out the bottom of the case, I've used 0.10" (thick) sheets of sorbothane acoustic dampening rubber. Very effective. Of course it won't do anything to prevent upstroke noise (or any noise for that matter) that radiates up from the plate and out the top of the keyboard.

[iLLucionist]

What kind of dampening material do you put in the case?

Kitchen sponge! Kidding... but not really. I went to my local domestic tools store (I don't know if these are the right words, it's  a supermarket for everything for the house but food ok) with one of this. I went up to the owner like "I want this but way bigger" and he gave me this.

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Interesting.. and then just cut it into shape and you are all set? Looks like you cut stack multiple layers on top..

[iLLucionist]

For killing the bottom-out noise that echoes around under the PCB and radiates out the bottom of the case, I've used 0.10" (thick) sheets of sorbothane acoustic dampening rubber. Very effective. Of course it won't do anything to prevent upstroke noise (or any noise for that matter) that radiates up from the plate and out the top of the keyboard.

Where do you buy that stuff? Regular hardware shop as well?

[LiquidEvilGaming]

Filco needs to majorly up their game if they ever want a purchase from me.  Quality alone won't do it since plenty of boards out there offer that now at better pricing with more features.

[iLLucionist]

Filco needs to majorly up their game if they ever want a purchase from me.  Quality alone won't do it since plenty of boards out there offer that now at better pricing with more features.

Completely agreed. I will be modding this one however... custom controller, sleeved cable, custom caps. And voila. Coz... LOOK AT DAT WHITE MAN! DONT YOU SEE IT?

[LiquidEvilGaming]

I'm not really huge on white boards but if I was I would buy into one of the Leopolds.

For TKL's I really like KUL,Deck,Leopold and gaining an appreciation for Ducky.

[iLLucionist]

I'm not really huge on white boards but if I was I would buy into one of the Leopolds.

For TKL's I really like KUL,Deck,Leopold and gaining an appreciation for Ducky.

I expect that the Filco is a tad lighter than the Leopold, judging from the pictures.

Also, I looked around, but I could nowhere order the Leopold with silent reds. Either they were out or stock or not being sold. So I thought: you know what... screw it. Gonna get me that filco and mod the cable and controller later.

I dispose stock caps anyway, so whatever I would've went with, I would've replaced the caps immediately.

[zslane]

For killing the bottom-out noise that echoes around under the PCB and radiates out the bottom of the case, I've used 0.10" (thick) sheets of sorbothane acoustic dampening rubber. Very effective. Of course it won't do anything to prevent upstroke noise (or any noise for that matter) that radiates up from the plate and out the top of the keyboard.

Where do you buy that stuff? Regular hardware shop as well?

I get mine from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0084EXBFA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[iLLucionist]

For killing the bottom-out noise that echoes around under the PCB and radiates out the bottom of the case, I've used 0.10" (thick) sheets of sorbothane acoustic dampening rubber. Very effective. Of course it won't do anything to prevent upstroke noise (or any noise for that matter) that radiates up from the plate and out the top of the keyboard.

Where do you buy that stuff? Regular hardware shop as well?

I get mine from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0084EXBFA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Is it easy to cut? I'm afraid those brittle rubbers will tear easily.

[LiquidEvilGaming]

"I'm afraid those brittle rubbers will tear easily."

Sounds like something I found myself saying when I was younger buying the cheaper condoms.

[zslane]

For killing the bottom-out noise that echoes around under the PCB and radiates out the bottom of the case, I've used 0.10" (thick) sheets of sorbothane acoustic dampening rubber. Very effective. Of course it won't do anything to prevent upstroke noise (or any noise for that matter) that radiates up from the plate and out the top of the keyboard.

Where do you buy that stuff? Regular hardware shop as well?

I get mine from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0084EXBFA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Is it easy to cut? I'm afraid those brittle rubbers will tear easily.

The sorbothane material is easy to cut with scissors, but it is very stretchy and sturdy and does not tear easily at all.

[iLLucionist]

"I'm afraid those brittle rubbers will tear easily."

Sounds like something I found myself saying when I was younger buying the cheaper condoms.

I like your style.

"Sorry darling we gonna do it without coz condom too brittle."

[Targa-TV]

For killing the bottom-out noise that echoes around under the PCB and radiates out the bottom of the case, I've used 0.10" (thick) sheets of sorbothane acoustic dampening rubber. Very effective. Of course it won't do anything to prevent upstroke noise (or any noise for that matter) that radiates up from the plate and out the top of the keyboard.

That's the word, it radiates.
I wish I hadn't trusted the people who said "it's only a few isolated keys" or I would have burned 150€ elsewhere. I love the Filco in so far it's very sturdy (the Varmilo doesn't compare), has nice smooth caps (although they are very thin), regular non-detachable cable and is a powerhouse so there's enough aftermarket for things like programmable controllers, cases and stuff. But...Majesping.

I'm very curious to check if it pings even with the Silents.

[iLLucionist]

For killing the bottom-out noise that echoes around under the PCB and radiates out the bottom of the case, I've used 0.10" (thick) sheets of sorbothane acoustic dampening rubber. Very effective. Of course it won't do anything to prevent upstroke noise (or any noise for that matter) that radiates up from the plate and out the top of the keyboard.

That's the word, it radiates. My sound is not a tiny sound 'ring', that's only the first part, when I (very rarely) bottom out, then I let go of the key, and then 'riiiiing' it resonates for a couple of seconds in a note that's very very close to the A.
I wish I hadn't trusted the people who said "it's only a few isolated keys" or I would have burned 150€ elsewhere. I love the Filco in so far it's very sturdy (the Varmilo doesn't compare), has nice smooth caps (although they are very thin), regular non-detachable cable and is a powerhouse so there's enough aftermarket for things like programmable controllers, cases and stuff. But...Majesping.

I'm very curious to check if it pings even with the Silents.

I will let you know as soon as I have it. I also have a decent microphone, so I'll try to make a video / sound recording as well.

[zslane]

With a linear switch like MX red, there are only three sources of noise: bottom-out, upstroke, and slider friction (I'm not counting stabilizer rattle). If you aren't bottoming out, then you won't get bottom out noise. Slider friction doesn't make a ping noise, it makes a shuff sound. The only thing left is upstroke noise, when the slider hits the underside of the switch housing. I've never heard that described as a "ping", but whatever. An MX silent red switch has very little upstroke noise. Like I mentioned earlier, most of the noise comes from slider friction, and it isn't a sharp "ping" at all.

BTW, I've never encountered a switch that is 100% silent. Pursuit of such is a fool's errand, IMO.

[iLLucionist]

With a linear switch like MX red, there are only three sources of noise: bottom-out, upstroke, and slider friction (I'm not counting stabilizer rattle). If you aren't bottoming out, then you won't get bottom out noise. Slider friction doesn't make a ping noise, it makes a shuff sound. The only thing left is upstroke noise, when the slider hits the underside of the switch housing. I've never heard that described as a "ping", but whatever. An MX silent red switch has very little upstroke noise. Like I mentioned earlier, most of the noise comes from slider friction, and it isn't a sharp "ping" at all.

BTW, I've never encountered a switch that is 100% silent. Pursuit of such is a fool's errand, IMO.

I suppose Apple's old custom Alps salmon / white?? (not expert on alps) were extremely quiet while still being mechanical. They were dampened I believe.

Then there is Topre silent, downstroke already silent, upstroke silenced as well.

It appears the new MX Silent Red is pre-lubed, built with new tooling so it should be really smooth. I add o-rings as well to dampen the downstroke. So if the upstroke is silenced by design, o-rings take care of the downstroke, and then the sliders should be lubed a bit / new tooling that is smooth. I guess it should be a clear winner. Finally, I'll add sound dampening in the case and replace stock caps with thick PBTs.

[zslane]

MX silent reds are dampened for both bottom out and upstroke noise. Do note though that I said dampened, not silenced.

Topre switches are only dampened on the upstroke if you get the Type-S or Silenced product variant. Otherwise you have to add silencing rings yourself (like I did for my RealForce RGB and NovaTouch boards). It seems that only the Chinese brands are factory silenced by default for all their TMX models.

[Targa-TV]

MX silent reds are dampened for both bottom out and upstroke noise.

you can find an extremely HQ rendering of what he's talking about here:
https://sketchfab.com/models/4f4cfbf9f50949b193ab99e43f4ca23d
Join me in ogling it.

[rasmusx]

I'm very curious to check if it pings even with the Silents.

Unfortunately there is some ping, but I believe all plate mounted boards have this. You don't really notice it unless you are closes with your ear to keyboard and try to listen it.