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Offline zzyjayfree

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[GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - In Production
« on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 15:14:50 »
We are back!

I'm just glad that we made this happen after all these. Most people should know EVE and his capability by now, but for those who's new here, he was in charge of production of numerous custom keyboards, one of which is Mira SE run by NinjaDoc, you can find production pics in the most recent update.  :p

Background aside, today's group buy is for Moon custom keyboard, if you followed our IC thread, you'd probably stunned by its sexy curves, but here we go again:




Prototype album: http://imgur.com/a/2yFWZ

Price:
$435+pp fee, shipping to be billed separately.

Basic kit includes:
Alu top and bottom cases;
Custom Ordered PCB;
Alu plate, stripe insert, weight;
Stainless steel or brass Logo insert, pre-installed, not removable;
Custom Ordered Box;

Upgrade and Extra
Plate:
Upgrade to brass plate (+$20)
Order extra alu plate (+$20)
Order extra brass plate (+$35)

Weight:
Upgrade to brass weight (+$30)
Order extra brass weight (+$45)

Stripes:
Upgrade to brass stripes: (+$10)
Order extra brass Stripes:(+$20)

Specifications:
Both WK and WKL layout available;
Supports ANSI and ISO enter;
Regular and stepped caps-lock supported;
TMK firmware, fully programmable PCB;
8 degree typing surface;

Timeline:

GB opens till Jul 16, 23:59 central
Payment ends on July 31, 23:59 central
Production estimated to be 8 weeks

Prototype to help with decision-making: http://imgur.com/a/2yFWZ

Order form: https://goo.gl/UnMpVu
You'll need a second google account if you are ordering two, or send me a pm I can take care of that.

Find order status here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1drU_63J-pareTCKEeq2Ydo95LmoTud6rCTdXpYOYxQI/edit#gid=1582473866


Special thanks to stand.geek and gaiden for logo and weight design, they will either receive $200 cash reward, or 50% off on their first moon board order.
Also thank you to all who participated, each of you guys will receive a surprise cap made by EVE. More details to be released regarding the cap.
Last but not least thank all who supported Moon during its hardest time regardless entering the GB or not.
Together we make Democratic Republic of Moon GREAT   :thumb:
« Last Edit: Mon, 11 September 2017, 22:49:42 by zzyjayfree »
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 18:49:26 »
Yeeesssss been waiting for this so long :)


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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 18:59:33 »
Do you have the samples on hand? I'm worried about which purple to choose.

I'd like the purple to match GMK's as much as possible. The ZZ96 purple didn't match enough for me and I ended up selling it. I don't want to have a repeat experience! It looks like the Blue Magenta might be the nearest match but I'm not sure... help!  :-\

« Last Edit: Sun, 02 July 2017, 19:01:04 by Gajible »

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 19:00:01 »
What's the schedule going to be? i.e. How long is the GB open for, when are payments expected, when should we expect to receive them?

Thanks :D

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 19:01:33 »
Just wanted to comment that the keyboard looks very promising quality wise. Good work.

Offline zzyjayfree

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 19:13:09 »
What's the schedule going to be? i.e. How long is the GB open for, when are payments expected, when should we expect to receive them?

Thanks :D

GB opens till Jul 16, 23:59 central
Payment ends on July 31, 23:59 central
Production estimated to be 8 weeks
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Offline zzyjayfree

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 19:16:21 »
Do you have the samples on hand? I'm worried about which purple to choose.

I'd like the purple to match GMK's as much as possible. The ZZ96 purple didn't match enough for me and I ended up selling it. I don't want to have a repeat experience! It looks like the Blue Magenta might be the nearest match but I'm not sure... help!  :-\

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I don't think blue magenta will be the closest match tho. I don't have plum on hand but I think light purple will be closer.
Sorry if I couldn't be more helpful
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 19:27:37 »
Can't wait! Thanks for organizing all this
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 19:39:19 »
Congrats to GB R2!

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 19:49:48 »
Well, I'm in. Dream board right here! <3

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 19:57:50 »
What's the schedule going to be? i.e. How long is the GB open for, when are payments expected, when should we expect to receive them?

Thanks :D

GB opens till Jul 16, 23:59 central
Payment ends on July 31, 23:59 central
Production estimated to be 8 weeks

Would you happen to have shipping estimates for different regions? Just ball park figures will do, doing some math to see if its financially responsible for me to jump in  :p
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 20:00:05 »
Nice good to see this moving on

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 20:00:10 »
What's the schedule going to be? i.e. How long is the GB open for, when are payments expected, when should we expect to receive them?

Thanks :D

GB opens till Jul 16, 23:59 central
Payment ends on July 31, 23:59 central
Production estimated to be 8 weeks

Would you happen to have shipping estimates for different regions? Just ball park figures will do, doing some math to see if its financially responsible for me to jump in  :p
Assume ~$50
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 20:04:24 »
What's the schedule going to be? i.e. How long is the GB open for, when are payments expected, when should we expect to receive them?

Thanks :D

GB opens till Jul 16, 23:59 central
Payment ends on July 31, 23:59 central
Production estimated to be 8 weeks

Would you happen to have shipping estimates for different regions? Just ball park figures will do, doing some math to see if its financially responsible for me to jump in  :p

For US buyers it will be ~$50, if you are in Singapore, it will be cheaper for ~$35
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 20:05:46 »
What's the schedule going to be? i.e. How long is the GB open for, when are payments expected, when should we expect to receive them?

Thanks :D

GB opens till Jul 16, 23:59 central
Payment ends on July 31, 23:59 central
Production estimated to be 8 weeks

Would you happen to have shipping estimates for different regions? Just ball park figures will do, doing some math to see if its financially responsible for me to jump in  :p

For US buyers it will be ~$50, if you are in Singapore, it will be cheaper for ~$35

welp yet another reason for me to get in on this :) Thanks, this has really been a long time coming.
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 20:32:31 »
Woot woot the moon rebooted!  Question: will we have the option to get an extra pcb?

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 20:47:44 »
Woot woot the moon rebooted!  Question: will we have the option to get an extra pcb?
Yea it's on the form :>

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 21:01:09 »
Is there any more specific detail posted about the PCB anywhere? Like does it support any sort of LEDs? Does it support TMK/QMK? etc...

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 21:19:55 »
the logo is not removable?

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 22:55:09 »
What the angle on this?

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 22:58:23 »
If I'm not ordering an aluminum plate, what do I still have to pick a anodizing plate color?

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 23:11:24 »
the logo is not removable?

I would also like to know this. Love the board but not a big fan of the rear logo

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 02 July 2017, 23:16:32 »
Basic kit includes:
Alu top and bottom cases;
Custom Ordered PCB;
Alu plate, stripe insert, weight;
Stainless steel or brass Logo insert, pre-installed, not removable;
Custom Ordered Box;

I'm assuming what you guys are actually asking is can it be purchased with no logo machined at all? Like no CNC in that spot?


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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 03:35:33 »
double click 666

happy to see her(moon) again

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 03:54:16 »
Well, I'm back in

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 08:04:49 »
Nice to see this GB finally run.
Btw, any word about how heavy this thing is?

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 10:06:56 »
Basic kit includes:
Alu top and bottom cases;
Custom Ordered PCB;
Alu plate, stripe insert, weight;
Stainless steel or brass Logo insert, pre-installed, not removable;
Custom Ordered Box;

I'm assuming what you guys are actually asking is can it be purchased with no logo machined at all? Like no CNC in that spot?

Right! thanks for clarifying for me.

Is it possible to get the board without the 'MOON' logo CNC'd in the back?

is the stainless logo the same color as the top of the board so it matches enough to not be noticeable?

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 10:09:31 »
What the angle on this?
Typing surface is 8 degrees. Also updated in thread. Thanks


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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 10:15:35 »
If I'm not ordering an aluminum plate, what do I still have to pick a anodizing plate color?
Update the form accordingly, added I want to upgrade to brass plate option.  Thanks for pointing this out!


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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 10:40:18 »
a quick question: where are the stripes?
are they the two plates near the logo?
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 10:40:48 »
a quick question: where are the stripes?
are they the two plates near the logo?
yes


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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 11:12:13 »
Is there more info on the PCB, cant remember from the old old thread

Will you guys ship as declared or gift? :)

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 11:21:32 »
Two questions:

1) How are the "non-removable" parts secured

2) Do you have any irl samples of the light purple?

:)

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 11:47:56 »
Two questions:

1) How are the "non-removable" parts secured

2) Do you have any irl samples of the light purple?

:)

I second this for light purple. I'm worried of ending up with pink again!

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 16:20:00 »
Two questions:

1) How are the "non-removable" parts secured

2) Do you have any irl samples of the light purple?

:)
Two questions:

1) How are the "non-removable" parts secured

2) Do you have any irl samples of the light purple?

:)

I second this for light purple. I'm worried of ending up with pink again!

Not sure if you guys have seen these but here are some pics of prototype under natural lighting: http://imgur.com/a/2yFWZ

Btw, the logo is a tight fit design, it will be hammered in and glued from the back
« Last Edit: Mon, 03 July 2017, 16:26:08 by zzyjayfree »
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 16:26:56 »
Basic kit includes:
Alu top and bottom cases;
Custom Ordered PCB;
Alu plate, stripe insert, weight;
Stainless steel or brass Logo insert, pre-installed, not removable;
Custom Ordered Box;
Is there any more specific detail posted about the PCB anywhere? Like does it support any sort of LEDs? Does it support TMK/QMK? etc...

Is there more info on the PCB, cant remember from the old old thread

Will you guys ship as declared or gift? :)

I don't know enough about the PCB, I'll ask the PCB guy and get back to you guys
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 16:28:07 »
i think we will need some details on how the "non-removable" logo is secured - i would like to modify the metal pieces, but need to decide what type i would select first

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 16:30:19 »
i think we will need some details on how the "non-removable" logo is secured - i would like to modify the metal pieces, but need to decide what type i would select first

Answered above, not sure what kind of modification you need to do, but once it's in it's in..
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 16:50:30 »
Two questions:

1) How are the "non-removable" parts secured

2) Do you have any irl samples of the light purple?

:)
Two questions:

1) How are the "non-removable" parts secured

2) Do you have any irl samples of the light purple?

:)

I second this for light purple. I'm worried of ending up with pink again!

Not sure if you guys have seen these but here are some pics of prototype under natural lighting: http://imgur.com/a/2yFWZ

Btw, the logo is a tight fit design, it will be hammered in and glued from the back

Thanks for the info! Missed the light purple in that album !

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 16:57:19 »
Will the board be compatible with other PCBs, say Leeku's TX87 and Alphas?

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 16:57:30 »
Quote

I don't know enough about the PCB, I'll ask the PCB guy and get back to you guys

Thanks!

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« Reply #41 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 17:01:29 »
Quote

I don't know enough about the PCB, I'll ask the PCB guy and get back to you guys

Thanks!

Oh, I missed that, thanks.

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 18:58:57 »
Any chance of adding an optional diffuse? Perhaps one that only covers the front and the sides?

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« Reply #43 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 19:13:23 »
Commenting to receive updates.

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 19:38:39 »
Any chance of adding an optional diffuse? Perhaps one that only covers the front and the sides?

I don't think design changes like that are going to happen during the GB, not to mention if the PCB even supports underglow LEDs, but I could be wrong.

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 22:33:13 »
would it be possible to ship the board with the MOON logo not glued in? i only want the stripes placed in but not the MOON logo. Please advise. Thanks!
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 04 July 2017, 00:17:30 »
The Moon logo doesn't match the keyboard as it is curve and sexy :(

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 04 July 2017, 09:05:02 »
Will there be a Google Sheets spreadsheet to keep record of orders like last time?

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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 04 July 2017, 21:12:10 »
Hey guys, thanks for entering! Now you can find order status here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1drU_63J-pareTCKEeq2Ydo95LmoTud6rCTdXpYOYxQI/edit#gid=1582473866

And if you haven't noticed, as I didn't specify, weight design is changed back to cut outs. Thanks!
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Re: [GB] the Moon - Custom Keyboard - GB Open
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 04 July 2017, 22:07:53 »
Just curious, whats the point of having an EXTRA pcb? Isn't one enough? :D
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