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[IC] GMK Electric (big update 11/17/20)
« on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:15:58 »


GMK Electric



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Deskmat is currently still in the sampling process, I'm trying to get it as close to perfect as possible.


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(*note: actual desk mats will look better! the current samples have several issues)





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Kit   MOQ   USA   EU   China   Canada   Australia   Japan
Base Kit   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD
Dark Alphas   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD
Symbol Row   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD
Novelties   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD
Numpad   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD
Extension   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD
Spacebars   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD
ISO   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD
Norde   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD
Colevrak   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD   TBD



Changelog
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11/17/20:
- New kit and board renders (by me)
- Thread formatting update
- USA, EU and CA vendors listed
- New pictures of the deskmat sample
- Base kit is now numpadless and ISO-less
    - Numpad has been moved to the numpad kit, changed numpad style to single legends
    - ISO has been moved to the ISO kit
- Added dark alphas kit
- Split novelties into "Symbol row" and "Novelties"
    - Replaced GND symbol with a NAND symbol (thank you to those that suggested adding this)
    - Fixed novelty enters being 2u instead of 2.25
    - Removed "geekhack" and "/r/mk" from novelties to reduce cost
- Spacebar kit now includes a 3C key, an extra 2C key, and extra Bs. Removed non-accent 6u spacebars.
- Extension now only supports accent (electric blue) enter keys
    - Reason: with the addition of the dark alphas, it would have been prohibitely expensive to include both gray and dark gray variants of all spacebars, so I see no reason in including the non-accent enters either.
- Norde kit has been updated to the latest version of GMK WOB & BOW's NordeUK+ kit
    - Supports British, Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, Faroese, Danish, Deutsch, and Portuguese layouts. I also included an Ñ key for Spanish layouts :)
    - I ommitted the » « key  as I couldn't find what layout it is a part of, if you know please let me know :)
    - Alt Gr and ISO enter keys are now a part of the ISO kit

10/19/20:
- Added finalized desk mat design
- Put pictures of desk mat samples

6/20/20:
- Added new deskmat design!

5/10/20:
- Removed duplicate R1 `¬¦ key from Norde
- Removed R4 > < key from Norde (now in base kit)
- Added R3 "~ #" key to the base kit to support ISO UK users properly
- Added 2 1u R2, 2 1u R3 novelties to novelties kit for 65% users
- Added 1.25u and 1.5u "ground symbol" novelties to novelties kit
- Removed some other novelties from novelties kit to lower cost (might have to do this again...)
- Tried making another ISO enter novelty
- Made alternate versions of the desk mat

4/28/20:
- Removed duplicate Alt Gr keys from norde
- Change duplicate | \ key to > < for ISO users
- Made ISO enter novelty tests

4/26/20:
- Legend change: "Lock" to "Scroll", "Num Lock" to "Num", stepped caps lock to "Caps"
- Renamed 40 kit to Extension kit
- Added R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn, 1.75u Backspace to Extension kit
- Finished desk mat design!

4/22/20:
- Moved 6.25u blue spacebar to base kit
- Added base color 6u spacebars to spacebar kit
- Upgraded Colevrak to Colevrak+
- Added 1.25u and 1.5u "Alt Gr" keys to Norde
- Added R4 1.5u and 1u novelties to novelties kit

4/16/20:
- Updated all kits from 2018 (sorry not listing all the changes here :) )

3/14/20:
- Revived the set!



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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:18:28 »
Great work! I'm glad you're back to designing key sets, Valla, this looks lovely as do all of your previous ones.

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[IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:20:15 »
Is the row 4 1u Fn missing or is it intended that we use the novelties for that?

Edit: maybe one of those row 4 'end' was supposed to be fn?

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:20:33 »
Great work! I'm glad you're back to designing key sets, Valla, this looks lovely as do all of your previous ones.

Thank you! That's great to hear and some good motivation to keep going.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:21:12 »
Is the row 4 1u Fn missing or is it intended that we use the novelties for that?

Good point. I'll replace two of the novelties with 1u Fn's.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:22:42 »
Is the row 4 1u Fn missing or is it intended that we use the novelties for that?

Good point. I'll replace two of the novelties with 1u Fn's.

I'm not really asking that it be changed, just wondering if that's what those 1u novelties were for.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:24:18 »
Looks like the GMK Sky Dolch, but with novelties.

Interested in GMK Hana.

Edit: I know it would make it seem even more like the Sky Dolch, but the legends not being blue/cyan as well makes it seem less "Electric" to me.
« Last Edit: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:32:38 by RedSuns »

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:39:20 »
Is the row 4 1u Fn missing or is it intended that we use the novelties for that?

Good point. I'll replace two of the novelties with 1u Fn's.

I'm not really asking that it be changed, just wondering if that's what those 1u novelties were for.

Yes, that was the intention, but I still think it would be better to just have 1 of each novelty for those who don't want to use them.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:40:40 »
Cool set but jchan94 already teased a set named GMK Electric
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85606.0

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:41:58 »
Is the row 4 1u Fn missing or is it intended that we use the novelties for that?

Good point. I'll replace two of the novelties with 1u Fn's.

I'm not really asking that it be changed, just wondering if that's what those 1u novelties were for.

Yes, that was the intention, but I still think it would be better to just have 1 of each novelty for those who don't want to use them.

Why not just replace one of the two R4 End's?

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:45:41 »
Looks like the GMK Sky Dolch, but with novelties.

Interested in GMK Hana.

Edit: I know it would make it seem even more like the Sky Dolch, but the legends not being blue/cyan as well makes it seem less "Electric" to me.
Meh. I love black legends, they make the set a bit different (in the best way).

Also: people are really crazy about colorway and copying, and this is far enough off that I don't see a big issue. We all have to calm down about colorway, there are only so many ways to put together the same colors.
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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:48:10 »
Looks like the GMK Sky Dolch, but with novelties.

Interested in GMK Hana.

Edit: I know it would make it seem even more like the Sky Dolch, but the legends not being blue/cyan as well makes it seem less "Electric" to me.

Yeah, it is kind of disappointing that this colorway isn't as unique anymore with Lightcycle and Sky Dolch around. I'm up to suggestions for new color changes though!

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:48:44 »
Cool set but jchan94 already teased a set named GMK Electric
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85606.0

He renamed the set to Electro, so its all good!

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:49:27 »
Is the row 4 1u Fn missing or is it intended that we use the novelties for that?

Good point. I'll replace two of the novelties with 1u Fn's.

I'm not really asking that it be changed, just wondering if that's what those 1u novelties were for.

Yes, that was the intention, but I still think it would be better to just have 1 of each novelty for those who don't want to use them.

Why not just replace one of the two R4 End's?

Oops, that was probably just a mistake. Thanks for letting me know.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:53:09 »
nice  I m interested in.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:57:16 »
Looks like the GMK Sky Dolch, but with novelties.

Interested in GMK Hana.

Edit: I know it would make it seem even more like the Sky Dolch, but the legends not being blue/cyan as well makes it seem less "Electric" to me.
Meh. I love black legends, they make the set a bit different (in the best way).

Also: people are really crazy about colorway and copying, and this is far enough off that I don't see a big issue. We all have to calm down about colorway, there are only so many ways to put together the same colors.

Yeah, it's fine that's why I suggested it to be more cyan, but whatever works for the designer. I guess you could always mix the two sets.

Looks like the GMK Sky Dolch, but with novelties.

Interested in GMK Hana.

Edit: I know it would make it seem even more like the Sky Dolch, but the legends not being blue/cyan as well makes it seem less "Electric" to me.

Yeah, it is kind of disappointing that this colorway isn't as unique anymore with Lightcycle and Sky Dolch around. I'm up to suggestions for new color changes though!

Tbh, even though I never decided to do it, I've thought about "Tron: Legacy" the movie colors. Maybe some darker blacks on this set?

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 20:17:32 »
I think this looks way better than Sky Dolch, that set never really appealed to me personally and the black legends add to the contrast here which makes it look quite unique despite the modifiers - I'd like to see the original colours be kept but I understand if you want to veer from the SD/Lightcycle similarities.

PS: can confirm GMK Hana would be more than welcome.






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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 20:28:35 »
I think this looks way better than Sky Dolch, that set never really appealed to me personally and the black legends add to the contrast here which makes it look quite unique despite the modifiers - I'd like to see the original colours be kept but I understand if you want to veer from the SD/Lightcycle similarities.

PS: can confirm GMK Hana would be more than welcome.

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Is that a framed set of Hana? What are the caps mounted on?

Totally agree about the contrast.
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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 20:35:03 »
Great taste in selecting the colors for the set and sensible choices for layouts covered.

My budget is basically empty for the year; but, I would make an exception if this reaches MoQ for sure.



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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #19 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 20:36:02 »
I think this looks way better than Sky Dolch, that set never really appealed to me personally and the black legends add to the contrast here which makes it look quite unique despite the modifiers - I'd like to see the original colours be kept but I understand if you want to veer from the SD/Lightcycle similarities.

PS: can confirm GMK Hana would be more than welcome.


I like your framed Hana, lol. Looks good.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 21:30:11 »
Is that a framed set of Hana? What are the caps mounted on?

Totally agree about the contrast.

Indeed. It was an artisan frame I got off of Massdrop, I wasn't sure how gimmicky it was so I only bought one but if they come around again I'll definitely get a few more - they look and feel very nice, the mounts are just plastic (3D printed) MX stems with velcro or a velcro-like material which the bottom of the frame is also covered with.

I like your framed Hana, lol. Looks good.

Haha thanks, it's a little crooked because it takes forever to adjust the plastic stems properly but it does pay off in my opinion, I'm happy with the way it looks and Hana is surely deserving of it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #21 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 21:51:39 »
Just an optimization suggestion, most key sets don't include the mod colored |\ key anymore. I can only speak for myself but the way I see it people who go for symmetry only use the mod colored `~ key and those who go for key function accuracy use the alpha color for both |\ and `~.

The key I think is not needed is circled below:

Just something to think about.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 01:08:17 »
No 1.5u R2 Backspace?
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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 01:13:08 »
No 1.5u R3 Backspace?

What uses that key?

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 01:35:14 »
super interested, hope this set will go through

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 03:00:38 »


Hope this doesn't mean SA is a dead dream! I can see why you wouldn't want to run it with the current queue, so hopefully should things change and it be shorter :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 03:25:02 »
Perhaps Novelties can add on light grey for more options

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 03:52:13 »
I like this. will buy it. good work

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 06:08:25 »
This set is going to be awesome!  :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #30 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 17:12:00 »
Great taste in selecting the colors for the set and sensible choices for layouts covered.

My budget is basically empty for the year; but, I would make an exception if this reaches MoQ for sure.
This set is going to be awesome!  :D
I like this. will buy it. good work

Thanks! I'm going to try messing with some stuff and see if it looks better as well.

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Hope this doesn't mean SA is a dead dream! I can see why you wouldn't want to run it with the current queue, so hopefully should things change and it be shorter :)

It's not dead, just asleep for now. Maybe SP will make some more SA tooling  :D

Just an optimization suggestion, most key sets don't include the mod colored |\ key anymore. I can only speak for myself but the way I see it people who go for symmetry only use the mod colored `~ key and those who go for key function accuracy use the alpha color for both |\ and `~.

The key I think is not needed is circled below:
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Just something to think about.

Good suggestion, I'll do that and see if anyone complains.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 17:46:52 »
Wow this set looks awesome! Keep up the good work.

I would pick this up for sure!

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 19:43:16 »
I was originally lurking on discussions around the SA set, but seeing this/thinking about it more, I really like the idea of this running as a GMK set  :thumb: I agree with other comments that color-wise this is quite Sky Dolch-esque (at least for the mods), but the grey/black alphas and novelties do make it a very distinct set IMO.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 21:09:30 »
Could you consider to add ergo kit for this theme? By the way, I think the Gmk hana may be more welcome than this one ;)

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 21:29:00 »
GMK Hana would be amazing. I like GMK Electric as well though.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 05:53:14 »
I was originally lurking on discussions around the SA set, but seeing this/thinking about it more, I really like the idea of this running as a GMK set  :thumb: I agree with other comments that color-wise this is quite Sky Dolch-esque (at least for the mods), but the grey/black alphas and novelties do make it a very distinct set IMO.

Question: Is UN6037 the same as TU2?

I lurked that thread too hoping that it would become a reality, but I think this set might actually work out better being GMK  :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 08:03:47 »
Lookin great!

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 12:43:52 »
This looks really good. What does it look like if the modifiers and accent keys have the same colors on their legends?

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 12:49:14 »
This looks really good. What does it look like if the modifiers and accent keys have the same colors on their legends?

Like Sky Dolch lol?

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 15:31:32 »
Said it on Reddit but will say it here too. Icon mods seem right for electric. Really hits home with a schematic or board layout. Hope to see an icon mod set, just like Yuri (controls alts and the whole lot of them), if text Mods are final for base kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 17:43:26 »
In response to a suggestion, I made a child deal for Hatsune Miku. Turns out I had most of the colors already, lol. Thoughts?


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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 20:04:08 »
The set is great; but the only key that could make this set impossible to pass for me is an R3 `~ key to cover a modern ANSI XT layout with an ISO Enter. I know it is a very special key, but being just one it could be fitted with very low impact on the cost for the set. I know there are some users that may take advantage of such layout.



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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 25 July 2017, 02:16:04 »
This looks really good. What does it look like if the modifiers and accent keys have the same colors on their legends?

Like Sky Dolch lol?
Haha. I meant the same color as alphanumerics. Like a dark legend version of Dolch, but with accent keys. Not a big fan of mixing different legend colors. Makes it hard to read.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 25 July 2017, 04:21:09 »
This looks really good. What does it look like if the modifiers and accent keys have the same colors on their legends?

Like Sky Dolch lol?
Haha. I meant the same color as alphanumerics. Like a dark legend version of Dolch, but with accent keys. Not a big fan of mixing different legend colors. Makes it hard to read.

Wouldn't that make the modifiers blanks?


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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 25 July 2017, 06:39:14 »
May I propose to tweak the alpha legends with N9, a bit more concordant.





Anyway, I love the SA Electric and this GMK.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 25 July 2017, 06:42:52 »
Wouldn't that make the modifiers blanks?
Doesn't look like it:

Current color scheme is:
UN6037 (Electric blue)
CR (Black legends)
2B (Light gray alphas)
N9 (Dark gray modifiers)
WS1 (White legends)

Would be awesome to see what it would look like:

Alphas: 2B
Modifiers: N9
Legends: CR (including cyan keys)

Really hope this set doesn't end up with icon modifiers.

Also think it would be better if the side print on pause and print screen wasn't cyan (UN6037) like the top print. Maybe CR and 2B, similar to how Classic Beige has different shades. Would spice things up.
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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 25 July 2017, 07:10:48 »
Wouldn't that make the modifiers blanks?
Doesn't look like it:

Current color scheme is:
UN6037 (Electric blue)
CR (Black legends)
2B (Light gray alphas)
N9 (Dark gray modifiers)
WS1 (White legends)

Would be awesome to see what it would look like:

Alphas: 2B
Modifiers: N9
Legends: CR (including cyan keys)

Really hope this set doesn't end up with icon modifiers.

Also think it would be better if the side print on pause and print screen wasn't cyan (UN6037) like the top print. Maybe CR and 2B, similar to how Classic Beige has different shades. Would spice things up.

It would look like this with almost no contrast:



If someone wants to run a GMK stealth set, then I'm all for it, but I wouldn't have any interest at all in a low contrast modifiers with teal accents. The modifiers would be invisible while the alphas wouldn't. Just doesn't seem very electric to me and doesn't work with my aesthetics. I'd much prefer low contrast alphas and high contrast mods.

Either way what you are suggesting isn't a minor change, it's a fundamentally different set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 25 July 2017, 08:16:52 »
It would look like this with almost no contrast:

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If someone wants to run a GMK stealth set, then I'm all for it, but I wouldn't have any interest at all in a low contrast modifiers with teal accents. The modifiers would be invisible while the alphas wouldn't. Just doesn't seem very electric to me and doesn't work with my aesthetics. I'd much prefer low contrast alphas and high contrast mods.

Either way what you are suggesting isn't a minor change, it's a fundamentally different set.
You may be right about the low contrast, but I was curious to see what it would look like in renders. I think the cyan/white combination has the same issue you mention. Keys with that combination become unreadable in this set if they also have a small font, like Enter. The side print on pause and print screen definitely shouldn't be cyan. It defeats the purpose to have the same color if you want to use cyan legends on modifiers to make this set pop with color contrast. By placing two equally visually heavy texts right next to each other, they both dissapear. Having them black or light gray would highlight the legend text.

Offline amnesia0287

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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 25 July 2017, 12:44:36 »
It would look like this with almost no contrast:

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If someone wants to run a GMK stealth set, then I'm all for it, but I wouldn't have any interest at all in a low contrast modifiers with teal accents. The modifiers would be invisible while the alphas wouldn't. Just doesn't seem very electric to me and doesn't work with my aesthetics. I'd much prefer low contrast alphas and high contrast mods.

Either way what you are suggesting isn't a minor change, it's a fundamentally different set.
You may be right about the low contrast, but I was curious to see what it would look like in renders. I think the cyan/white combination has the same issue you mention. Keys with that combination become unreadable in this set if they also have a small font, like Enter. The side print on pause and print screen definitely shouldn't be cyan. It defeats the purpose to have the same color if you want to use cyan legends on modifiers to make this set pop with color contrast. By placing two equally visually heavy texts right next to each other, they both dissapear. Having them black or light gray would highlight the legend text.

The white on cyan part is the one part I don't like. I mentioned it on the Reddit IC, so I never bothered to say it here. It's eye melting and doesn't fit the rest. I also agree the split colors on the side print keys would look nice, just don't forget those would be partially printed not 100% double shot. Doesn't really matter for side print of course. But something to consider.

Also, part of the issue is just that cyan is an extremely vibrant color on displays. Don't forget there are lots of white on cyan keys for things like cymk or the gmk cyan set that aren't nearly so vibrant and eye melting. Part of the issue is just that it IS a render/mockup. I feel like this is a set that would likely look more pleasant in real life than any render.


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Re: [IC] GMK Electric
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 27 July 2017, 04:28:20 »
Very cool that we ended up agreeing!  :thumb: