Author Topic: Hammer Dye-sub BSP Group buy Round4 info (Read 85227 times)

Hammer · « **on:** Fri, 13 April 2018, 16:40:33 »

Geekhack IC
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94158.0

Massdrop IC
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/3707/interest-check-hammer-bsp-classic-beige-keycap-sets

Link to Buy on Massdrop
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hammer-dr-click-resin-artisan-keycap

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hammer-bsp-classic-beige-pbt-dye-subbed-keycap-set

Cheers!

Hammer · « **Reply #1 on:** Wed, 18 April 2018, 01:57:54 »

Dr.Click is here.

typischt · « **Reply #2 on:** Tue, 24 April 2018, 03:17:07 »

Congratz on the in my opinion successful GB!
One question, even though it‘s already too late: Would this set together with i.e. the Windows kit and a 6U GMK 9009 spacebare have fitted on a realforce 87u? Not sure about the bottom row.. If so, I would kind of regrett not joining. I thought since I don‘t have (and particullarly like) WKL keyboards, the set would be useless for me.. Just realized when it was too late, that this might have been an option

loud_asian · « **Reply #3 on:** Fri, 27 April 2018, 15:57:10 »

Quote from: typischt on Tue, 24 April 2018, 03:17:07

Congratz on the in my opinion successful GB!
One question, even though it‘s already too late: Would this set together with i.e. the Windows kit and a 6U GMK 9009 spacebare have fitted on a realforce 87u? Not sure about the bottom row.. If so, I would kind of regrett not joining. I thought since I don‘t have (and particullarly like) WKL keyboards, the set would be useless for me.. Just realized when it was too late, that this might have been an option

Windows key would have fit. GMK spacebar depends on if it's center stemmed or not

romevi · « **Reply #4 on:** Thu, 21 June 2018, 16:17:42 »

I hate these sorts of posts, but seeing as I'm always late to the party and didn't have the funds at the time, would anyone be willing to part with an OG Tulip set?

revenantjay · « **Reply #5 on:** Sat, 23 June 2018, 22:30:05 »

If anyone has buyer's remorse and wants to part with a Greek Tulip set, hit me up!

idlemao · « **Reply #6 on:** Fri, 06 July 2018, 19:48:51 »

Also searching for an OG Tulip (I was tracking this too, but missed out when it got lost in the shuffle

romevi · « **Reply #7 on:** Fri, 06 July 2018, 22:12:48 »

Same.

sncbraxsc2 · « **Reply #8 on:** Mon, 13 August 2018, 15:27:31 »

Going to echo a few of these last posts and state my interest in taking over someones APL order. Also interested in Icon Mods, RGB add on and the retro winkeys

t8c · « **Reply #9 on:** Tue, 21 August 2018, 07:16:21 »

Any updates on this Hammer?

kekstee · « **Reply #10 on:** Tue, 28 August 2018, 10:16:49 »

Curious as well if the shipping date is anywhere near realistic.

AuDiTH · « **Reply #11 on:** Mon, 03 September 2018, 00:07:25 »

Quote from: t8c on Tue, 21 August 2018, 07:16:21

Any updates on this Hammer?

Just found out that GB failed in this announcement: http://www.geekmaker.com/index/bbs/forum_content?id=230&_wv=1031

Basically the announcement said LogicKeyboard, the company who provides the blank BSP caps stopped making them and refused to contact Hammer further.

So Hammer is making a cheaper PBT set similar to BSP called HSP with winkey, ISO, 6u, 6.25u and 7u spacebar support, and different types of homing keys.

dallman5 · « **Reply #12 on:** Mon, 03 September 2018, 09:26:13 »

I looked over a google translated version of the article posted above and while I’m still a bit disappointed in the fact that it won’t be BSP I’m really excited for the prospect of improved compatibility and hopefully just as smooth texture as BSP.

However, the one key size that I didn’t see mentioned that I would really, really like to see is a 1.75u R4 (shift) key. This would vastly improve the compatibility of the proposed HSP over and beyond what is pictured/mentioned in the article!

t8c · « **Reply #13 on:** Mon, 03 September 2018, 10:12:40 »

Quote from: AuDiTH on Mon, 03 September 2018, 00:07:25

Just found out that GB failed in this announcement: http://www.geekmaker.com/index/bbs/forum_content?id=230&_wv=1031

Basically the announcement said LogicKeyboard, the company who provides the blank BSP caps stopped making them and refused to contact Hammer further.

So Hammer is making a cheaper PBT set similar to BSP called HSP with winkey, ISO, 6u, 6.25u and 7u spacebar support, and different types of homing keys.

Much appreciated. Thanks man!

sncbraxsc2 · « **Reply #14 on:** Mon, 03 September 2018, 10:19:25 »

Quote from: t8c on Mon, 03 September 2018, 10:12:40

Quote from: AuDiTH on Mon, 03 September 2018, 00:07:25

Just found out that GB failed in this announcement: http://www.geekmaker.com/index/bbs/forum_content?id=230&_wv=1031

Basically the announcement said LogicKeyboard, the company who provides the blank BSP caps stopped making them and refused to contact Hammer further.

So Hammer is making a cheaper PBT set similar to BSP called HSP with winkey, ISO, 6u, 6.25u and 7u spacebar support, and different types of homing keys.
Much appreciated. Thanks man!

Very interesting events. Thank you Audith

LightningXI · « **Reply #15 on:** Mon, 03 September 2018, 13:27:05 »

+1 for 1.75u Shift!! This would change things a lot. I also vouch for an alpha colored pipe and backslash key | \ for top row, HHKB layout.

Quote from: UberDrk on Mon, 03 September 2018, 09:26:13

I looked over a google translated version of the article posted above and while I’m still a bit disappointed in the fact that it won’t be BSP I’m really excited for the prospect of improved compatibility and hopefully just as smooth texture as BSP.

However, the one key size that I didn’t see mentioned that I would really, really like to see is a 1.75u R4 (shift) key. This would vastly improve the compatibility of the proposed HSP over and beyond what is pictured/mentioned in the article!

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dgneo · « **Reply #16 on:** Tue, 04 September 2018, 08:28:55 »

According to the screenshots of conversation, the group buy was launched without ever getting confirmation from logickeyboards that they'd supply blank BSP keysets.

Yikes.

codywanks · « **Reply #17 on:** Tue, 04 September 2018, 10:31:35 »

Quote from: dgneo on Tue, 04 September 2018, 08:28:55

According to the screenshots of conversation, the group buy was launched without ever getting confirmation from logickeyboards that they'd supply blank BSP keysets.

Not all screenshots were made public. Also, I'm pretty sure MD wouldn't launch a GB without knowing costs first.

dgneo · « **Reply #18 on:** Tue, 04 September 2018, 11:33:57 »

Quote from: codywanks on Tue, 04 September 2018, 10:31:35

Quote from: dgneo on Tue, 04 September 2018, 08:28:55
According to the screenshots of conversation, the group buy was launched without ever getting confirmation from logickeyboards that they'd supply blank BSP keysets.

Not all screenshots were made public.

I'm sure they weren't, but the 6 screenshots, called "key messages", indicate they never received a reply from logickeyboards until after the GB was already launched.

LightningXI · « **Reply #19 on:** Wed, 05 September 2018, 01:13:07 »

With the coming changes, it'd be neat to see a R4 1.75u Shift key for compatibility in HHKB layout and split Right Shift layouts.

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Puddsy · « **Reply #20 on:** Wed, 05 September 2018, 13:39:58 »

I was told told over a slack message by one of the hammer guys that the massdrop GB will be treated differently than the china GB (i.e. not cancelled), and that he is writing something in english

so update soon i guess

codywanks · « **Reply #21 on:** Fri, 07 September 2018, 02:04:01 »

From Massdrop:

Dear Customers,

It’s with great regret to inform you that as of this time the group-buy from BSP is cancelled. We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused everyone involved. If you are affected please take the time to read the following details of our situation and our plans moving forward.

Our intention to run a BSP group-buy to the end has always been a top priority, and we can only hope the following explanation will help to detail how this buy has failed. In February of this year our team used a broker to develop relations with BSP Asia, Logicalkeyboard, to provide us with blank keycaps for our group-buy projects including single 1u caps. With our brokered relationship with BSP appearing secure we proposed our first group-buy for high quality PBT dyesub reissues of classic Cherry keycaps. The reception of this group-buy was very popular and we quickly procured samples of a dyesub product through our contacts. After posting the sample images our group-buy expanded globally. We were encouraged by the public reception of our samples and excited to offer these high quality sets. The months which followed became a nightmare which ultimately lead us to today.

After collecting all the orders from all of our vendors globally and submitted documentation through our broker we received no response. We began to seek further clarity and reached out to BSP, Logicalkeyboard, directly. When direct communication was finally accomplished we were told PBT keycaps are no longer an item which can be ordered . We really wanted to make this work for everyone - the members, Massdrop and the design of the keycaps.After all, BSP keycaps is one of the most authentic cherry sets for keyboard enthusiasts. In the end, after long sessions of communication our offers to increase the MOQ, and even offers to purchase the molding from Logicalkeyboard were ultimately ignored.

We feel a great deal of remorse and guilt in cancelling this group-buy. We were unable to reissue caps or save the old original Cherry pbt mold. As we have come to know, BSP sublimation keycap production is very expensive outside of Europe. Changing international trade climate high postage and tariffs between Europe to Asia makes reopening relationships impossible. While we are apologetic we also have a plan to resolve this problem in the long term.

We are launching a new product we will call H(ammer)SP. Our goal is to retool and improve upon the best features of what made BSP keycaps a true legacy product. For those who wish to remain in our group buy we are offering two complete the sets of HSP for each set of BSP ordered; one set for your original order, another will be the never-sold Cyrillic or Hebrew dye-subbed set. The Hebrew and Cyrillic sets will be distributed randomly, For example, if an Arabic set was ordered a customer would receive either a Cyrillic or Hebrew set in addition to the Arabic. The difference in between the original order and HSP is the keycaps will not be made by BSP. We will also offer refunds for anyone in the group buy who would like it, please reach out to Massdrop Support for the refund/cancellation.

The HSP keycaps are similar to the BSP in profile, feeling, and color. In addition to doing our best to recreate these qualities we have improved the following defects we felt were not a feature of the product:

• Normalizing R4 height to Cherry standard while retaining the BSP R5 standard.
• ISO layout support.
• WK layout support.
• 6U, 6.25U, 7U pbt spacebar support.
• A variety of four homing key molds: bars, scoops, dots and no homing.

This announcement has not come without a considerable effort from team Hammer to fix the issue before causing a problem for enthusiasts. We have already completed the injection molding, finish, and production proofing. The performance of our manufacturing is very satisfying testers who work closely with Team Hammer. By moving to the city which the injection factory is located we have had a hand in adjusting the fit and finish of the products coming out of our custom molds.

To be clear about our plans for production after completing our duty to existing customers we will have four sets planned for regular release: Original Tulip \ Tulip GK \ APL \ Arabic. Our price for future group-buys will be announced soon and set a new standard for affordable quality.

Sincerely,
Team Hammer
Sep.,6,2018

AuDiTH · « **Reply #22 on:** Fri, 07 September 2018, 03:27:51 »

Quote from: codywanks on Fri, 07 September 2018, 02:04:01

From Massdrop:

Dear Customers,

It’s with great regret to inform you that as of this time the group-buy from BSP is cancelled. We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused everyone involved. If you are affected please take the time to read the following details of our situation and our plans moving forward.

Our intention to run a BSP group-buy to the end has always been a top priority, and we can only hope the following explanation will help to detail how this buy has failed. In February of this year our team used a broker to develop relations with BSP Asia, Logicalkeyboard, to provide us with blank keycaps for our group-buy projects including single 1u caps. With our brokered relationship with BSP appearing secure we proposed our first group-buy for high quality PBT dyesub reissues of classic Cherry keycaps. The reception of this group-buy was very popular and we quickly procured samples of a dyesub product through our contacts. After posting the sample images our group-buy expanded globally. We were encouraged by the public reception of our samples and excited to offer these high quality sets. The months which followed became a nightmare which ultimately lead us to today.

After collecting all the orders from all of our vendors globally and submitted documentation through our broker we received no response. We began to seek further clarity and reached out to BSP, Logicalkeyboard, directly. When direct communication was finally accomplished we were told PBT keycaps are no longer an item which can be ordered . We really wanted to make this work for everyone - the members, Massdrop and the design of the keycaps.After all, BSP keycaps is one of the most authentic cherry sets for keyboard enthusiasts. In the end, after long sessions of communication our offers to increase the MOQ, and even offers to purchase the molding from Logicalkeyboard were ultimately ignored.

We feel a great deal of remorse and guilt in cancelling this group-buy. We were unable to reissue caps or save the old original Cherry pbt mold. As we have come to know, BSP sublimation keycap production is very expensive outside of Europe. Changing international trade climate high postage and tariffs between Europe to Asia makes reopening relationships impossible. While we are apologetic we also have a plan to resolve this problem in the long term.

We are launching a new product we will call H(ammer)SP. Our goal is to retool and improve upon the best features of what made BSP keycaps a true legacy product. For those who wish to remain in our group buy we are offering two complete the sets of HSP for each set of BSP ordered; one set for your original order, another will be the never-sold Cyrillic or Hebrew dye-subbed set. The Hebrew and Cyrillic sets will be distributed randomly, For example, if an Arabic set was ordered a customer would receive either a Cyrillic or Hebrew set in addition to the Arabic. The difference in between the original order and HSP is the keycaps will not be made by BSP. We will also offer refunds for anyone in the group buy who would like it, please reach out to Massdrop Support for the refund/cancellation.

The HSP keycaps are similar to the BSP in profile, feeling, and color. In addition to doing our best to recreate these qualities we have improved the following defects we felt were not a feature of the product:

• Normalizing R4 height to Cherry standard while retaining the BSP R5 standard.
• ISO layout support.
• WK layout support.
• 6U, 6.25U, 7U pbt spacebar support.
• A variety of four homing key molds: bars, scoops, dots and no homing.

This announcement has not come without a considerable effort from team Hammer to fix the issue before causing a problem for enthusiasts. We have already completed the injection molding, finish, and production proofing. The performance of our manufacturing is very satisfying testers who work closely with Team Hammer. By moving to the city which the injection factory is located we have had a hand in adjusting the fit and finish of the products coming out of our custom molds.

To be clear about our plans for production after completing our duty to existing customers we will have four sets planned for regular release: Original Tulip \ Tulip GK \ APL \ Arabic. Our price for future group-buys will be announced soon and set a new standard for affordable quality.

Sincerely,
Team Hammer
Sep.,6,2018

Thanks for letting us know. Good to see that we're receiving another base set for compensation.

Another issue I can think of is the addon kits. Are they replicating those as well?

kekstee · « **Reply #23 on:** Fri, 07 September 2018, 09:30:30 »

Well, they replicated the key molds already, no reason not to produce the addon sublimations.

This is good news btw. I still trust Hammer to deliver quality-wise.

(and of course I really hope for the short right shift key to be added, maybe even true HHKB support)

sncbraxsc2 · « **Reply #24 on:** Fri, 07 September 2018, 11:47:46 »

I wonder if BSP Denmark would still produce blanks? I'd really like to see color accurate pictures comparing HSP, BSP and Enjoy PBT.

idlemao · « **Reply #25 on:** Fri, 07 September 2018, 12:47:30 »

Does this mean sets will be available in the future for those who didn't get in on the original group buy?

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dgneo · « **Reply #26 on:** Fri, 07 September 2018, 13:14:24 »

Quote from: idlemao on Fri, 07 September 2018, 12:47:30

Does this mean sets will be available in the future for those who didn't get in on the original group buy?

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To be clear about our plans for production after completing our duty to existing customers we will have four sets planned for regular release: Original Tulip \ Tulip GK \ APL \ Arabic. Our price for future group-buys will be announced soon and set a new standard for affordable quality.

LightningXI · « **Reply #27 on:** Thu, 20 September 2018, 21:19:32 »

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hammer-bsp-classic-beige-pbt-dye-subbed-keycap-set/talk/2205997?utm_source=linkshare&referer=V9NXG8

Hi all, it looks like HSP's group-buy has started in China. However, the renders show that there is no split backspace support. It would be very much appreciated if people could vouch and support the need for this compatibility, as it is crucial for so many layouts, especially HHKB-style.

sncbraxsc2 · « **Reply #28 on:** Wed, 10 October 2018, 11:52:09 »

Slight update on these

I'll be interested in an APL set if someone doesn't mind separating with their "free" set!!

t8c · « **Reply #29 on:** Fri, 12 October 2018, 04:16:11 »

Quote from: sncbraxsc2 on Wed, 10 October 2018, 11:52:09

Slight update on these

Show Image

Thanks! Looks like things are moving along. Cautiously optimistic = holidays 2018?

sncbraxsc2 · « **Reply #30 on:** Fri, 12 October 2018, 11:04:32 »

Quote from: t8c on Fri, 12 October 2018, 04:16:11

Quote from: sncbraxsc2 on Wed, 10 October 2018, 11:52:09
Slight update on these

Show Image

Thanks! Looks like things are moving along. Cautiously optimistic = holidays 2018?

Seems like it could be a very good holidays indeed! I'd really like to see some closeups of how these compare to BSP and Enjoy PBT

t8c · « **Reply #31 on:** Sat, 27 October 2018, 03:53:22 »

Bad news from massdrop and the reason is very unclear.

Drop status update.

Hello Everyone,
We hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it has been brought to our attention that the Hammer BSP Classic Beige PBT Dye-Subbed Keycap Set you ordered has become backordered. We're afraid we don't know if more inventory will become available. As we're unable to guarantee that we will receive this item, we've cancelled your order and issued a full refund to your original payment method. You can expect to see the funds back in your account within the next 2-3 business days.
We're sorry that this happened. As a way of apology we've applied a $20 credit to your member account. This credit will be applied to the next drop you join and will appear as a discount in the checkout page. It expires one year from today.
If you would like to be notified when another drop for this product becomes active, please click the "Request" button on the drop page. Feel free to contact us if you have any questions or concerns.
Best wishes,

t8c · « **Reply #32 on:** Tue, 30 October 2018, 06:54:28 »

Hammer has sort of an update. He does not know what is going on. https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hammer-bsp-classic-beige-pbt-dye-subbed-keycap-set/talk?sort=latest

Hammer · « **Reply #33 on:** Thu, 01 November 2018, 02:27:55 »

Massdrop just fixed this problem

Wetherbee · « **Reply #34 on:** Thu, 01 November 2018, 03:56:20 »

Why not open up the buy for new orders?

Krytone · « **Reply #35 on:** Thu, 01 November 2018, 04:56:24 »

do you have an estimate for the shipping date for these sets?

Hammer · « **Reply #36 on:** Thu, 01 November 2018, 10:35:22 »

Quote from: Wetherbee on Thu, 01 November 2018, 03:56:20

Why not open up the buy for new orders?

I need to satisfy these guys first, they chose to trust me even before they saw the sample. And their money is already in my pocket.

Hammer · « **Reply #37 on:** Thu, 01 November 2018, 10:36:03 »

Quote from: Krytone on Thu, 01 November 2018, 04:56:24

do you have an estimate for the shipping date for these sets?

In this month!

Krytone · « **Reply #38 on:** Thu, 01 November 2018, 21:14:56 »

Quote from: Hammer on Thu, 01 November 2018, 10:36:03

Quote from: Krytone on Thu, 01 November 2018, 04:56:24
do you have an estimate for the shipping date for these sets?
In this month!

Yeeeah! thanks for the great news!

LightningXI · « **Reply #39 on:** Sun, 04 November 2018, 04:20:31 »

Quote from: Hammer on Thu, 01 November 2018, 10:35:22

I need to satisfy these guys first, they chose to trust me even before they saw the sample. And their money is already in my pocket.

I still trust that this will go well. I am very excited. I hope Desko could make a comeback as well. Thank you so much, Hammer!

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sncbraxsc2 · « **Reply #40 on:** Sun, 02 December 2018, 21:58:24 »

Anyone receive theirs yet? I'd still like to pick up an APL set

Puddsy · « **Reply #41 on:** Tue, 04 December 2018, 01:54:02 »

Quote from: sncbraxsc2 on Sun, 02 December 2018, 21:58:24

Anyone receive theirs yet? I'd still like to pick up an APL set

as far as i know nobody has gotten a shipping notice yet

P1kas · « **Reply #42 on:** Thu, 06 December 2018, 08:17:46 »

Have there been any pictures of finished sets? I want to see how the APL set turned out. I hear there was a China GB as well, have they received their orders yet?

LightningXI · « **Reply #43 on:** Thu, 06 December 2018, 08:29:23 »

Quote from: P1kas on Thu, 06 December 2018, 08:17:46

Have there been any pictures of finished sets? I want to see how the APL set turned out. I hear there was a China GB as well, have they received their orders yet?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hammer-bsp-classic-beige-pbt-dye-subbed-keycap-set/talk/2264181?utm_source=linkshare&referer=V9NXG8

And no to the question

sncbraxsc2 · « **Reply #44 on:** Thu, 06 December 2018, 09:29:40 »

Quote from: LightningXI on Thu, 06 December 2018, 08:29:23

Quote from: P1kas on Thu, 06 December 2018, 08:17:46
Have there been any pictures of finished sets? I want to see how the APL set turned out. I hear there was a China GB as well, have they received their orders yet?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/hammer-bsp-classic-beige-pbt-dye-subbed-keycap-set/talk/2264181?utm_source=linkshare&referer=V9NXG8

And no to the question

yessss those are looking good

I really like the Hebrew additions and the Moscow Nights as well!!

romevi · « **Reply #45 on:** Thu, 06 December 2018, 09:50:36 »

P1kas · « **Reply #46 on:** Thu, 06 December 2018, 10:22:41 »

APL looks good :O

I wasn't aware of the red side-legends. Gonna be a hard choice between this and sourcing an IMSTO Ural set

sncbraxsc2 · « **Reply #47 on:** Wed, 26 December 2018, 09:12:09 »

I'm watching an unboxing of 6/8 of these at work

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/353408735

sncbraxsc2 · « **Reply #48 on:** Wed, 26 December 2018, 10:24:43 »

Quote from: sncbraxsc2 on Wed, 26 December 2018, 09:12:09

I'm watching an unboxing of 6/8 of these at work

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/353408735

update: most of one set is unboxed by 2 hours in. Some of the keys were apparently crooked. Legend irregularities are similar to the earlier JTK runs. "A" was thin. "G" was off. I don't know if these problems are consistent through each set.

P1kas · « **Reply #49 on:** Wed, 26 December 2018, 11:42:27 »

Yikes

News:

Author Topic: Hammer Dye-sub BSP Group buy Round4 info (Read 85227 times)