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Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 14:58:33 »
"The Massdrop x Invyr Holy Panda Mechanical Switches will launch Dec 7 at 6 a.m. PT. At checkout, choose a set of 20 (base price), 50 (+$30), 70 (+$50), 90 (+$70), 110 (+$80), 180 (+$142), or 330 (+$260) switches."

See here https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches

(I have nothing in common with MD, I just consider the news interesting and long awaited, also in context of other recent hot debates about holy pandas here)

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 15:49:41 »
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 16:03:03 »
Nice.

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 16:17:47 »
So...As correctly stated in the GSUS threads, this rumor had a ton of weight to it, and the people blasting it were the actual liars???

Go figure...

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 16:29:38 »
Ooooooooof. Let's go. And that guy wanted to price gouge people for a 1.5 a switch. Thats karma.
 

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 16:36:32 »
1. Wait for competitor to announce still expensive pricing of $1 per switch
2. Match competitor's pricing because undercutting the competition would be rude  ;)
3. Nobody complains about $1 a switch

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edit: forgot these came with the halo stem while the gsus pandas dont. So I guess it is an acceptable deal.
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 16:36:53 »
very exciting

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 17:29:43 »
has there been any accuracy testing on these ones?

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 17:33:46 »
Well rip gsus FeelsBadMan
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 17:41:24 »
85 cents a switch with halo stems? more like cyus

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 17:43:28 »
1. Wait for competitor to announce still expensive pricing of $1 per switch
2. Match competitor's pricing because undercutting the competition would be rude  ;)
3. Nobody complains about $1 a switch

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edit: forgot these came with the halo stem while the gsus pandas dont. So I guess it is an acceptable deal.

Considering the Zilent V2s are .90 a switch, and these are subjectively better, thatís a good deal.  Especially since it comes with the stem already.

Yeah itís still expensive, but so are a lot of switches these days...

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 17:56:17 »
"The Massdrop x Invyr Holy Panda Mechanical Switches will launch Dec 7 at 6 a.m. PT. At checkout, choose a set of 20 (base price), 50 (+$30), 70 (+$50), 90 (+$70), 110 (+$80), 180 (+$142), or 330 (+$260) switches."

See here https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches

(I have nothing in common with MD, I just consider the news interesting and long awaited, also in context of other recent hot debates about holy pandas here)

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 18:14:04 »
has there been any accuracy testing on these ones?

I am wondering the same thing! I love how everyone's acting like the other group buy is RIP. I mean sure its going to take a hit but... the other switches have been tested. The massdrop version hasn't been. Whats going to be funny is if the massdrop version isn't the same. People are so quick to jump on hype with out asking the important questions like the above.

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 18:15:23 »
Noice.





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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 18:21:09 »
RIP to the guy who was retooling an absolute units worth. They're probably all worth nothing now.
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 18:31:19 »
has there been any accuracy testing on these ones?

no but they will be made with the original parts, and samples will go out to people soon to test them
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 18:57:18 »
This thread is surprisingly quiet.

I guess everyone is still in a minute silence for Gsus.
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 19:19:30 »
1. Wait for competitor to announce still expensive pricing of $1 per switch
2. Match competitor's pricing because undercutting the competition would be rude  ;)
3. Nobody complains about $1 a switch

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edit: forgot these came with the halo stem while the gsus pandas dont. So I guess it is an acceptable deal.

Supervan was running @ $1 for a panda clone. Then youíd have to source out halo stems/switches which iím sure not a lot of people would be willing to sell. Supply and demand will make halo prices shoot up if that were the case.

Correct me if iím wrong?

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 19:21:17 »
1. Wait for competitor to announce still expensive pricing of $1 per switch
2. Match competitor's pricing because undercutting the competition would be rude  ;)
3. Nobody complains about $1 a switch

  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: big brain massdrop :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

edit: forgot these came with the halo stem while the gsus pandas dont. So I guess it is an acceptable deal.

You must've missed his edit...

Supervan was running @ $1 for a panda clone. Then youíd have to source out halo stems/switches which iím sure not a lot of people would be willing to sell. Supply and demand will make halo prices shoot up if that were the case.

Correct me if iím wrong?

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:27:32 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?



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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:30:32 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?

It's all theory and conjecture until we have reviews.

I know I won't be ordering until there's some reviews out there.

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:45:33 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?

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Top post in discussion. https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/talk#discussions

BSUN had broken moulds, has had money invested to be fixed. Two manufacturers are involved in making these.

Working off of round 2 samples, both Zisb and 27 won't release until they're certain they're as good as the original round.

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:59:57 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?

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Top post in discussion. https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/talk#discussions

BSUN had broken moulds, has had money invested to be fixed. Two manufacturers are involved in making these.

Working off of round 2 samples, both Zisb and 27 won't release until they're certain they're as good as the original round.

That doesn't prove anything. By good, do you mean as terrible as the first round?

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 21:06:04 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?

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Top post in discussion. https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/talk#discussions

BSUN had broken moulds, has had money invested to be fixed. Two manufacturers are involved in making these.

Working off of round 2 samples, both Zisb and 27 won't release until they're certain they're as good as the original round.

That doesn't prove anything. By good, do you mean as terrible as the first round?

Terrible enough to have a cult following, sure.

Regardless, I understand what these will be. I will be buying a stack. You do you friend.

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 21:11:56 »
Someone care to prove me wrong?

You're right to treat these switches with some caution. But you've got it backwards if you think anyone needs to prove your crazy theory wrong.

It'd be one hell of twist though haha.
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 21:48:49 »
I kind of want to try these... Prob will wait though. Is there a limited amount in the drop?

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 21:49:22 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 06 December 2018, 06:33:09 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?

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the tops and bottoms are made of different plastics, that could explain the color difference

I'm not pointing out the color difference, but the cherry style latch on both kalih housings.

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 06 December 2018, 08:40:50 »
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 06 December 2018, 11:09:51 »
the tops and bottoms are made of different plastics, that could explain the color difference

Well, Supervan mentioned in his thread that Panda R2 is not going to be same as R1 because this time they use polycarbonate top housing.

Whether this is good or bad remains to be seen. I'd expect mixed reception. Polycarbonate housing is probably going to be somewhat smoother than the original, but in the same time will sound worse because poly has some inherent zing to it.

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 06 December 2018, 12:45:24 »
the tops and bottoms are made of different plastics, that could explain the color difference

Well, Supervan mentioned in his thread that Panda R2 is not going to be same as R1 because this time they use polycarbonate top housing.

Whether this is good or bad remains to be seen. I'd expect mixed reception. Polycarbonate housing is probably going to be somewhat smoother than the original, but in the same time will sound worse because poly has some inherent zing to it.

Just a reminder that Supervan's word is now completely useless. Everything he said was a lie in his thread. He stated that 27 had flown to China and purchased switches = Untrue.  He said the molds for pandas had been destroyed but had access to them = untrue.  He said that he would be doing a GB for the switches = Somewhat true, but the fact of the matter is that he bought switches before collecting money and now he's SOL.

He's got every reason to crap on the MD Pandas and make claims that aren't true.  The original creators said that the MD pandas would be the same materials as the originals...

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 06 December 2018, 12:52:45 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 06 December 2018, 14:26:46 »
the tops and bottoms are made of different plastics, that could explain the color difference

Well, Supervan mentioned in his thread that Panda R2 is not going to be same as R1 because this time they use polycarbonate top housing.

Whether this is good or bad remains to be seen. I'd expect mixed reception. Polycarbonate housing is probably going to be somewhat smoother than the original, but in the same time will sound worse because poly has some inherent zing to it.

Just a reminder that Supervan's word is now completely useless. Everything he said was a lie in his thread. He stated that 27 had flown to China and purchased switches = Untrue.  He said the molds for pandas had been destroyed but had access to them = untrue.  He said that he would be doing a GB for the switches = Somewhat true, but the fact of the matter is that he bought switches before collecting money and now he's SOL.

He's got every reason to crap on the MD Pandas and make claims that aren't true.  The original creators said that the MD pandas would be the same materials as the originals...

Temper the emotions please! I say that because there no proof anything you stated is true.

I am going to be cynical on this.

On one side we have supervan who has really poor customer service and is obviously out to make some money. He trying to run a group buy at almost double his original price for a switch (60cent china vs 1.00 USD). The switches have been tested and found to be reasonably close to original panda's. These are all facts. We know them as hard truths unless .. its a giant conspiracy by some of the larger names in the community.

On the other side we have 27 who co owned the original panda molds. He is also going a year plus on a outstanding group buy that was promised to run smoothly as it was going to be partially manufactured in Canada. There also the fact he and his partner have stated the molds were damaged during use. These are all facts.

Things that can't be confirmed are.
Massdrop's version is just like the Original.
That the Original molds were used by either party.
That either party even had access to the original molds.
This entire thing is just a money grab.

I hope this works out, and both parties end up being able to sell switches. The one thing the community will benefit from for a FACT is having more choices when it comes to switches. What NO one benefits from is all this finger pointing and speculation. Its really simple people don't like Supervan's buy.. ok don't buy from him. People don't like massdrop then don't buy from them. People don't like either.. then go to novel key's they got those cream switches I personally want to try. Until we have more hard facts.. the massdrop version is just as up in the air as any other version of panda's that hadn't been tested.


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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 06 December 2018, 16:04:35 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?

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My cream switches are the only switches being used with the MX style latching system from Kailh.

that solves that
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 07 December 2018, 09:18:45 »
6 month ship date and the molds haven't even been fixed yet. How are they sending reviewer samples out when they have broken molds? How do they even know they can fix the molds in a way that will bring them back to the originals?

100% shadiness going on here. It should be clear to everyone what MD is trying to do.

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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 07 December 2018, 09:22:49 »
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 07 December 2018, 11:51:29 »
Can someone enlighten or remind us, what the material of the switch top housing of the original Invyr Panda is? Not POM, not Polycorbonate, not known?

If not the same material, I'd say, wait for some switch testing first, if you expect real Holy Pandas..

But whatever, even if they are not the same, competition is always good (for us..).

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 07 December 2018, 12:10:21 »
Does switch top housing matter as much as bottoms?

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 07 December 2018, 14:29:03 »
Can someone enlighten or remind us, what the material of the switch top housing of the original Invyr Panda is? Not POM, not Polycorbonate, not known?

If not the same material, I'd say, wait for some switch testing first, if you expect real Holy Pandas..

But whatever, even if they are not the same, competition is always good (for us..).

Opaque polycarbonate

This is identical.
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 07 December 2018, 14:29:48 »
6 month ship date and the molds haven't even been fixed yet. How are they sending reviewer samples out when they have broken molds? How do they even know they can fix the molds in a way that will bring them back to the originals?

100% shadiness going on here. It should be clear to everyone what MD is trying to do.

There's more than one mold. Enough to make samples, not quite enough for a full production run. They're working on fixing the ones they haven't already.
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 07 December 2018, 14:36:47 »
So was original Invyr Panda Nylon bottom? Advertisement says it was all POM, which seemed to be not really the case, according to some smoke video on youtube (and now also Puddy has a different opinion)?!

Either way, MD will be a second and in my book different batch. I will just keep watching the show and supply and joice of Panda likes can just increase..

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 07 December 2018, 15:29:28 »
So was original Invyr Panda Nylon bottom? Advertisement says it was all POM, which seemed to be not really the case, according to some smoke video on youtube (and now also Puddy has a different opinion)?!

Either way, MD will be a second and in my book different batch. I will just keep watching the show and supply and joice of Panda likes can just increase..

Whatever MD is saying is accurate to the original.
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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 10 December 2018, 16:28:33 »
Tough decision to be made: join/buy this massdrop, or stay away? I miss in-depth information: who is behind this massdrop? Are the switches knock-offs or accurate copies? Why don't they give these switches out to independent testers? All this lack of info gives me a bad feeling.

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 10 December 2018, 16:41:03 »
Tough decision to be made: join/buy this massdrop, or stay away? I miss in-depth information: who is behind this massdrop? Are the switches knock-offs or accurate copies? Why don't they give these switches out to independent testers? All this lack of info gives me a bad feeling.

Pay with paypal, if MD doesn't live up to any of the claims in the next 6 months, with the samples, moulds etc... File a claim with paypal.

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 10 December 2018, 16:44:52 »
Tough decision to be made: join/buy this massdrop, or stay away? I miss in-depth information: who is behind this massdrop? Are the switches knock-offs or accurate copies? Why don't they give these switches out to independent testers? All this lack of info gives me a bad feeling.

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 10 December 2018, 18:38:23 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?

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My cream switches are the only switches being used with the MX style latching system from Kailh.

that solves that

Right, because massdrop has never claimed an idea or switch design as thier own before.

Offline wholypantalones

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 10 December 2018, 18:49:34 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?

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Looks like they're just bsun browns. :(

Proved wrong.

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The casings are manufactured with the original Panda moulds from BSUN and the stems are Massdrop's Halo stems.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/talk/2280990?utm_source=linkshare&referer=4W5Z4B
« Last Edit: Mon, 10 December 2018, 18:51:41 by wholypantalones »

Offline mgsickler

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 10 December 2018, 18:53:44 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?

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My cream switches are the only switches being used with the MX style latching system from Kailh.

that solves that

Right, because massdrop has never claimed an idea or switch design as thier own before.

My comment just meant that I own the tooling to the cream switches and no other company can use them.

Offline wholypantalones

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Re: Good news: Massdrop Holy Panda GB should start on Dec 7
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 10 December 2018, 19:04:12 »
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.

Someone care to prove me wrong?

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My cream switches are the only switches being used with the MX style latching system from Kailh.

that solves that

Right, because massdrop has never claimed an idea or switch design as thier own before.

My comment just meant that I own the tooling to the cream switches and no other company can use them.

My original comment meant that they're both made by kalih and now that I know you own the tooling to the housing, it's obvious they aren't kalih housings as they're made by bsun with a kalih stem.