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Offline Kavik

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #250 on: Wed, 15 May 2019, 14:21:58 »
This is odd to hear. I actually noticed how nice my spacebars from this set sound and how snappy they are (they feel like a Model M spacebar almost [the best spacebar ever]). I'm using them with Zeal stabs and 67g Zealios and Gateron Greens.

Are you guys using light switches? Maybe mine return because of the heavier switch spring. I'll look more closely when I get home.

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #251 on: Wed, 15 May 2019, 14:40:42 »
This is odd to hear. I actually noticed how nice my spacebars from this set sound and how snappy they are (they feel like a Model M spacebar almost [the best spacebar ever]). I'm using them with Zeal stabs and 67g Zealios and Gateron Greens.

Are you guys using light switches? Maybe mine return because of the heavier switch spring. I'll look more closely when I get home.

Mine feels a bit better on a board with holy yoks, but the one that doesnt return correctly is on a gateron ink.  Thats not a light switch by any means.  Probably just different for each space bar, unfortunately.
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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #252 on: Wed, 15 May 2019, 16:14:07 »
Thanks so much for the replacement B&N keys Hiney
Nothing's felt quite as good as pbt on my 1/60 so I've just been using gateron blanks before this set arrived.
Now it's perfect!

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #253 on: Wed, 15 May 2019, 18:58:13 »
This is odd to hear. I actually noticed how nice my spacebars from this set sound and how snappy they are (they feel like a Model M spacebar almost [the best spacebar ever]). I'm using them with Zeal stabs and 67g Zealios and Gateron Greens.

Are you guys using light switches? Maybe mine return because of the heavier switch spring. I'll look more closely when I get home.

Mine feels a bit better on a board with holy yoks, but the one that doesnt return correctly is on a gateron ink.  Thats not a light switch by any means.  Probably just different for each space bar, unfortunately.

I checked my cyan and gray 6.25u spacebars, and I don't see any issues. I can tell that the right stab insert is ever so slightly closer to the inside wall of the stab housing, but there's still clearance on both sides. I wonder if there are slight differences in spacing among PCBs for the stabilizers. I know the stab wire length is fixed, but there is a little bit of play between the wire ends and the inserts.

Anyway, I'm just adding another data point. Sorry you have a bad experience with it.

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #254 on: Wed, 15 May 2019, 21:14:13 »
This is odd to hear. I actually noticed how nice my spacebars from this set sound and how snappy they are (they feel like a Model M spacebar almost [the best spacebar ever]). I'm using them with Zeal stabs and 67g Zealios and Gateron Greens.

Are you guys using light switches? Maybe mine return because of the heavier switch spring. I'll look more closely when I get home.

Mine feels a bit better on a board with holy yoks, but the one that doesnt return correctly is on a gateron ink.  Thats not a light switch by any means.  Probably just different for each space bar, unfortunately.

I checked my cyan and gray 6.25u spacebars, and I don't see any issues. I can tell that the right stab insert is ever so slightly closer to the inside wall of the stab housing, but there's still clearance on both sides. I wonder if there are slight differences in spacing among PCBs for the stabilizers. I know the stab wire length is fixed, but there is a little bit of play between the wire ends and the inserts.

Anyway, I'm just adding another data point. Sorry you have a bad experience with it.

Yeah, i figure it's just a batch thing.  I guess I could try to get a replacement but that seems like a hard thing to check for.  You would have to actually mount the keycap to a board to check.  I've tried it on 5 different boards and it hasn't worked on a single one.  That also covered 4 different types of stabilizers (GMK plate, GMK PCB screw in, Zeal, knock-off GMK).  I have way too many sets as it is, so I'm just going to sell it.  It would work fine on a costar board.
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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #255 on: Wed, 15 May 2019, 22:14:20 »
Is there an update on the missing 6.5u spacebars?

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #256 on: Wed, 15 May 2019, 22:30:37 »
Is there an update on the missing 6.5u spacebars?

Not yet. Still waiting to see what Wei will say.

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #257 on: Wed, 15 May 2019, 22:36:44 »
Lube will help if you haven't used any yet on the stabilizer insert (between the insert and the stabilizer housing wall)

Unfortunately the stabs are already lubed. As a point of reference, Iím using GMK screw-in stabs and Zealios V1 67g switches.
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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #258 on: Wed, 15 May 2019, 23:07:28 »
Mine's just arrived! At a glance, they look good. Fingers crossed - hopefully no issue with any keys.

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #259 on: Thu, 16 May 2019, 09:55:02 »
Here goes (FYI the white balance sucks):



First impression: it's a beautiful set. I got the base + ortho 40 kits. ePBT feels a bit grainy but not as coarse as the KPRepublic DSA PBT set I own. Thickness, they are more or less equal. Legends are sharp & crisp. At a glance I don't see any noticeable warping. Also, seems like there are extra keys: one 1U backspace and 1U Fn (in yellow rectangulars)?

I think my row profiles are all OK.. (Keyboard cherry profile noob here. Would appreciate if someone can help to check).



Don't have chance to test them on a real keyboard - probably weekend.

If one ask me what can be improved, I'd like to see more contrast between the alphas and the modifiers. Perhaps make the alphas slightly brighter, or the modifiers slightly darker. Also, compared to the red & blue accents, the teal/aquamarine looks too bright. But yeah those are kinda nitpicking. All in all, I think it successfully fulfills the original goal of Slate (or Concrete). Good job Hiney for the set!

Offline walie

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #260 on: Thu, 16 May 2019, 21:56:55 »
I can also confirm that my 7u spacebars on both my base kit and spacebar kit are borked. The base kit spacebar is extremely sluggish and barely goes back up while the teal spacebar is somewhat usable but is not as smooth as spacebars from other kits that I own. Tried in two keyboards one with tealios and the other with zealios and both of which have genuine cherry screw in stabs lubed with 205g0. This is really disappointing because they're the least warped ePBT spacebars out of the box that I've ever seen.

Can anything be done? Because as it stands this kit is useless to me as all my keyboards are either HHKB or Tsangan form factor.

Offline iNViSiBiLiTi

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #261 on: Thu, 16 May 2019, 22:09:51 »
I can also confirm that my 7u spacebars on both my base kit and spacebar kit are borked. The base kit spacebar is extremely sluggish and barely goes back up while the teal spacebar is somewhat usable but is not as smooth as spacebars from other kits that I own. Tried in two keyboards one with tealios and the other with zealios and both of which have genuine cherry screw in stabs lubed with 205g0. This is really disappointing because they're the least warped ePBT spacebars out of the box that I've ever seen.

Can anything be done? Because as it stands this kit is useless to me as all my keyboards are either HHKB or Tsangan form factor.

Try heating them up and bending them into positions where the work with the stabilizers.                     

Offline walie

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #262 on: Thu, 16 May 2019, 23:52:25 »
So warp them intentionally? Thats a unique solution...

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #263 on: Thu, 16 May 2019, 23:54:22 »
Sorry to see people are having issues with spacebars. I figured it may be an issue knowing how EPBT has been historically. I can confirm I tested spacebars here and there for "flatness" but not actual fitment, as I didn't have the time to do that during the packing phases. As weird as it sounds a hair dryer/heat gun is a proven method to getting them to fit better, it's up to the end user to do it though.

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #264 on: Fri, 17 May 2019, 00:01:35 »
My spacebars seem to be fine. Straight and fit the stabilizers without any issues. Sorry to see that some people are having issues.

Offline walie

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #265 on: Fri, 17 May 2019, 00:02:41 »
yeah I used a hair dryer to flatten ePBT spacebars, but never to bend them the other way. I'm a bit hesitant to do it as its a bit tricky to figure out exactly where its sluggish and I don't want to make it worse.

Offline scoopbb

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #266 on: Fri, 17 May 2019, 00:17:22 »
my 7u seems to fit ok.

what about leaving it in hot water for a minute then jamming it on? (after wiping the water off)

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #267 on: Fri, 17 May 2019, 00:21:33 »
still waiting for my set to arrive, hopefully i wont have problems  :'(
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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #268 on: Fri, 17 May 2019, 00:53:01 »
I also have issues with my 7u space bars. Just another data point. I kind of expected it so not really surprising but I will be avoiding other epbt sets

Offline walie

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #269 on: Fri, 17 May 2019, 19:44:39 »
my 7u seems to fit ok.

what about leaving it in hot water for a minute then jamming it on? (after wiping the water off)

Thanks for the tip, a few tries with a hair dryer and I managed to get the spacebars to a point where its pretty usable. Its not 100% fixed, so I probably need to heat it up a few more times to get it to stick but its a lot better than what it was before.

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Re: [GB] EnjoyPBT Slate
« Reply #270 on: Fri, 17 May 2019, 20:30:54 »
Yeah Iíve flattened spacebars with a hairdryer before, but I donít know what youíd do to fix this particular issue.  If anyone mods the Spacebar successfully let me know
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