[GB] TMK Alps64 - 60% PCB for Alps

[hasu]

So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating 
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

Tried with Windows10 and it didn't wake up with my Alps64 too. With my HHKB mod I can wake it for some reason. Not sure which firmware configuration, OS power setting or controller difference(ATMega32u2 vs u4) cause this. I have no time to investigate this now.
EDIT2: I filed this issue on github, I'll look into this later when I get time. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

EDIT: To enable NKRO you need to compile firmware with proper configuration, as axtran said.

[hasu]

So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating 
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT

[Saiph]

I sent an email asking to order a pcb but didn't get a paypal invoice afterwards. Was I too late?

[hasu]

I sent an email asking to order a pcb but didn't get a paypal invoice afterwards. Was I too late?

No, not too late at all 10+ PCBs are still available.
I've been away from home these days and cannot check order emails now. I'll be back home and reply them in a few days.
Thanks

[deductivemonkee]

So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating 
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT

Thanks, I will try this when I next add something to my keyboard. 

[Saiph]

I sent an email asking to order a pcb but didn't get a paypal invoice afterwards. Was I too late?

No, not too late at all 10+ PCBs are still available.
I've been away from home these days and cannot check order emails now. I'll be back home and reply them in a few days.
Thanks

Awesome, thanks!

[hasu]

So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating 
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT

Thanks, I will try this when I next add something to my keyboard. 

This is precompiled firmware with wakeup fix. Try it.
 alps64.hex (56.7 kB - downloaded 461 times.)

Thanks

[deductivemonkee]

So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating 
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT

Thanks, I will try this when I next add something to my keyboard. 

This is precompiled firmware with wakeup fix. Try it.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks

I flashed this to my keyboard and tested it, it did not wake it from sleep.
I think it might just be the fact that I am running Windows 10 on x58.
I can cope with it though, I can just use my mouse or my numpad.

Thanks though and sorry for being a bother.

[MajorKoos]

I think it might just be the fact that I am running Windows 10 on x58.

Which USB port are you using?
If I recall that board a native USB2 controller and an add-on USB3 controller - perhaps some weirdness there where one of them isn't handling power management events?  The easy way to rule out the port would be to swap USB ports between the kbd and mouse.

[bazh]

Do we have any PCB left for this 5th run?

[ipreferpie]

Is there any way to extend bluetooth support on this?

[hasu]

Just shipped out all of ordered PCBs now.  Email me(or PM if you prefer) if you don't get tracking number in next 24 hours.

bazh, 9 PCBs are still left in stock.

ipreferpie, no support for BT unfortunately.

[bazh]

email sent!

[hasu]

So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating 
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT

Thanks, I will try this when I next add something to my keyboard. 

This is precompiled firmware with wakeup fix. Try it.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks

I flashed this to my keyboard and tested it, it did not wake it from sleep.
I think it might just be the fact that I am running Windows 10 on x58.
I can cope with it though, I can just use my mouse or my numpad.

Thanks though and sorry for being a bother.

Thanks for your test.
hm, it can have problem with USB3 or some system.
I confirmed it can wake up Windows10 on my Thinkpad X201s but I don't have system with USB3 or x58 to test now. I'll leave this issue open on github and test it on newer system if I get a chance.

[deductivemonkee]

So I have been using my alps64 religiously since I received it from Bluenalgene's GB, but it will not wake my pc from sleep. My mouse and numpad will, but my alps64 will not and it is frustrating 
Does anybody know what might be causing this? I have it allowed to wake the pc in windows 10 settings.

As an added note, how do I enable N-Key rollover?

I think I found solution. Try this and report your result.
See github issue for the detail. https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/361

In short,
Add this line in Makefile and build firmware.

OPT_DEFS += -DNO_LIMITED_CONTROLLER_CONNECT

Thanks, I will try this when I next add something to my keyboard. 

This is precompiled firmware with wakeup fix. Try it.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks

I flashed this to my keyboard and tested it, it did not wake it from sleep.
I think it might just be the fact that I am running Windows 10 on x58.
I can cope with it though, I can just use my mouse or my numpad.

Thanks though and sorry for being a bother.

Thanks for your test.
hm, it can have problem with USB3 or some system.
I confirmed it can wake up Windows10 on my Thinkpad X201s but I don't have system with USB3 or x58 to test now. I'll leave this issue open on github and test it on newer system if I get a chance.

I can test it on usb2 when I get a chance, I hadn't thought of the add-on usb3 being an issue.

[axtran]

Do we have any PCB left for this 5th run?

Probably. Message hasu--he has been away but will get back to you. He provides wonderful service.


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[PriusProblems]

I am interested in the ISO PCB, however would there be anywhere that I could find a plate for it? Also, is there any chance of an ISO AEKII ever being available (that would solve the plate issue, since an existing board could be chopped up)?

[hasu]

Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902

[BlueNalgene]

Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902

Are you interested in using the design I made for future board revisions?  I have no intention to produce a 60% and usurp your throne.  I'd be happy to share with you the KiCAD files and the Monterey compatible pads.

This would probably be after my GB, so I can get feedback from users. 

[PriusProblems]

Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902

I'll have to look into it, I would much rather a custom made plate though. However, I could always PCB mount. Thanks for the suggestion of the TKL, but I'm only really interested in a 60% atm.

[BlueNalgene]

Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902

I'll have to look into it, I would much rather a custom made plate though. However, I could always PCB mount. Thanks for the suggestion of the TKL, but I'm only really interested in a 60% atm.

Alps switches are generally plate mount only. 

If you want a 60% AEKII ISO, your only option currently is to use a custom plate PLUS hand wiring.  No PCB exists which accommodates the bizarre layout changes in the AEKII ISO.

Best of luck!  Look through Yoe's posts if you need some inspiration.  That dude is a pro at the handwired ISO.

[PriusProblems]

Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902

I'll have to look into it, I would much rather a custom made plate though. However, I could always PCB mount. Thanks for the suggestion of the TKL, but I'm only really interested in a 60% atm.

Alps switches are generally plate mount only. 

If you want a 60% AEKII ISO, your only option currently is to use a custom plate PLUS hand wiring.  No PCB exists which accommodates the bizarre layout changes in the AEKII ISO.

Best of luck!  Look through Yoe's posts if you need some inspiration.  That dude is a pro at the handwired ISO.

Thanks for the response! Do you know of any custom plates that would suit my needs, or would I have to make/adapt my own?

[BlueNalgene]

More

Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902

I'll have to look into it, I would much rather a custom made plate though. However, I could always PCB mount. Thanks for the suggestion of the TKL, but I'm only really interested in a 60% atm.

Alps switches are generally plate mount only. 

If you want a 60% AEKII ISO, your only option currently is to use a custom plate PLUS hand wiring.  No PCB exists which accommodates the bizarre layout changes in the AEKII ISO.

Best of luck!  Look through Yoe's posts if you need some inspiration.  That dude is a pro at the handwired ISO.

Thanks for the response! Do you know of any custom plates that would suit my needs, or would I have to make/adapt my own?

You can make one yourself via Swill's + BigBlueSaw (kinda expensive and requires some knowledge) or you can wait for the 60% plate group buy to launch (they have had delays, and are working things out still).

[PriusProblems]

More

Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902

I'll have to look into it, I would much rather a custom made plate though. However, I could always PCB mount. Thanks for the suggestion of the TKL, but I'm only really interested in a 60% atm.

Alps switches are generally plate mount only. 

If you want a 60% AEKII ISO, your only option currently is to use a custom plate PLUS hand wiring.  No PCB exists which accommodates the bizarre layout changes in the AEKII ISO.

Best of luck!  Look through Yoe's posts if you need some inspiration.  That dude is a pro at the handwired ISO.

Thanks for the response! Do you know of any custom plates that would suit my needs, or would I have to make/adapt my own?

You can make one yourself via Swill's + BigBlueSaw (kinda expensive and requires some knowledge) or you can wait for the 60% plate group buy to launch (they have had delays, and are working things out still).

That group buy doesn't support ISO though, does it?

[BlueNalgene]

More

Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902

I'll have to look into it, I would much rather a custom made plate though. However, I could always PCB mount. Thanks for the suggestion of the TKL, but I'm only really interested in a 60% atm.

Alps switches are generally plate mount only. 

If you want a 60% AEKII ISO, your only option currently is to use a custom plate PLUS hand wiring.  No PCB exists which accommodates the bizarre layout changes in the AEKII ISO.

Best of luck!  Look through Yoe's posts if you need some inspiration.  That dude is a pro at the handwired ISO.

Thanks for the response! Do you know of any custom plates that would suit my needs, or would I have to make/adapt my own?

You can make one yourself via Swill's + BigBlueSaw (kinda expensive and requires some knowledge) or you can wait for the 60% plate group buy to launch (they have had delays, and are working things out still).

That group buy doesn't support ISO though, does it?

I have no idea.  I haven't kept up with it outside of offering advice to them when they ask.

[hasu]

Dell ISO?

FWIW, BlueNalgene's TKL will support AEK ISO.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81608.msg2176902#msg2176902

Are you interested in using the design I made for future board revisions?  I have no intention to produce a 60% and usurp your throne.  I'd be happy to share with you the KiCAD files and the Monterey compatible pads.

This would probably be after my GB, so I can get feedback from users. 

I have no plan to support Monterey switch in future revision but thanks. It would be greatly appreciated if you can make the footprint or exact dimensions to the switch available to the community.

I'm watching your thread because of your USB hub design and skimming datasheet of some hub chips from TI, Microchip and others for my future project.

Keep up the great work!

[CosmosAtlas]

Some information I would like to share. The alps64 pcb does not work on the Lambo case. It will short circuit the bottom of the pcb if pressed hard.

[hasu]

Some information I would like to share. The alps64 pcb does not work on the Lambo case. It will short circuit the bottom of the pcb if pressed hard.

Thanks for the report. Do you think which part makes the short? or how did you resolve the short circuit problem? insulator?
From pics It has no beams and just standoffs, it seems to be less problematic.
https://nestofdesign.com.au/products/iqunix-lambo-60-mechanical-keyboard-case-only-one-shell

[CosmosAtlas]

I have no idea. I moved to another case. The most strange part is that if you type normally it's fine. But if you push down a little hard, suddenly all the keys on the bottom row will register.

[sprit]

Let me in the Next round again !

Thanks Hasu!

[nateth]

I'd love to be in the next round if possible. Thanks!

[hasu]

6th Run opens today!
Price is revised due to recent exchange rate.
Thanks



Alps64 PCB 6th Run
       
Please email to hasu@tmk-kbd.com to place order, let me know number of PCB and your paypal account if different from your email. Paypal Invoice will be sent to your email. You'll be able to make a payment with credit card on Palpal even if you don't have Paypal account.
       
It will be shipped in a week or two after payment.
       
Thanks,
       
       
       
Alps64 PCB:
You can get a PCB or two.
       
Price: $40USD
Shipping: $10USD(add $2.5 per extra PCB) for world-wide shipping
       
       
       
AEK plates:
Only 10 plates are available.
       
This plate is made with PCB/FR-4, not metal. It is not as firm as steel plate but it works. Its color is black. These are made by cheap PCB house in China, every plate has scratches, burrs or slight cosmetic imperfections. I think PCB plate works in the end but this idea is sitll experimental and not established nor reviewed in the community yet. Get a metal plate somehow if you want to avoid unexpected defect.
       
You can add this plate to your order for $10 optionally. So PCB and plate cost $60USD(40+10+10) in total. At this time you cannot order only this plate without Alps64 PCB, sorry.
       
See links below for pics and info.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.msg2218108#msg2218108
http://imgur.com/a/ZEg96/all

[sprit]

Appreciate Dear Hasu! 

[duynguyenle]

Ordered! Going for PCB and one of these experimental plates, quite curious how they will turn outout.

[tofgerl]

So here's a new one! I have an Alps64 board which used to work (as far as I remember), but I put it away because I needed one fewer keyboard than previously. Now that I've picked it back up, it has this kind of odd problem:

It starts out in layer 1 instead of 0! If I have FN keys available in layer1, they work fine, so I can access layer 2 and so on, and probably even layer 0, though I haven't tried making a new keymap just to test that.

So now I'm really confused. I've tried plain.c from TMK and my own keymap, and both start up in layer1.

I supposed I can just push all layers up one number and see if that works, but this is still really weird!!!

Cross posted in simple questions thread.

[a-c]

It starts out in layer 1 instead of 0! If I have FN keys available in layer1, they work fine, so I can access layer 2 and so on, and probably even layer 0, though I haven't tried making a new keymap just to test that.

Look at Boot Magic in the TMK documentation.  Probably changed the default layer by holding down keys when plugging it in.

[tofgerl]

Tried clearing bootmagic settings with backspace and space, but that didn't work. The problem description is really similar, though.

[hasu]

Tried clearing bootmagic settings with backspace and space, but that didn't work. The problem description is really similar, though.

Download firmware with default keymap  from keymap editor and flash it, first. Unplug the keyboard, then plug it again with holding space and backspace key.

[tofgerl]

Yeah, that's what I tried. Plain.c.

[hasu]

Yeah, that's what I tried. Plain.c.

what's Plain.c? You are using firware buit with your own keymap file Plain.c?

You better download firmware from keymap editor and follow my instruction above. Download firmware from here without any edit.
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html

And post what you get in 'hid_listen' when pressing LShift+RShift+e? You will get output like this.

Code: [Select]

eeconfig:
default_layer: 0
debug_config.raw: 00
.enable: 0
.matrix: 0
.keyboard: 0
.mouse: 0
keymap_config.raw: 00
.swap_control_capslock: 0
.capslock_to_control: 0
.swap_lalt_lgui: 0
.swap_ralt_rgui: 0
.no_gui: 0
.swap_grave_esc: 0
.swap_backslash_backspace: 0
.nkro: 0


[stimuz]

Great product, bought one about a month ago and "completed" it last week using a SGI 101 dremel cut(don't do this is you can avoid it) plate and keys. It's currently my favorite board.

http://i.imgur.com/42TTCYJ.jpg

edit: since I'm posting here anyway, maybe someone competent with TMK can tell me an easy way to change right shift, right alt, right windows and right control to arrow keys and capslock to function.

[tofgerl]

Yeah, that's what I tried. Plain.c.

what's Plain.c? You are using firware buit with your own keymap file Plain.c?

You better download firmware from keymap editor and follow my instruction above. Download firmware from here without any edit.
http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/alps64/index.html

And post what you get in 'hid_listen' when pressing LShift+RShift+e? You will get output like this.

Code: [Select]

eeconfig:
default_layer: 0
debug_config.raw: 00
.enable: 0
.matrix: 0
.keyboard: 0
.mouse: 0
keymap_config.raw: 00
.swap_control_capslock: 0
.capslock_to_control: 0
.swap_lalt_lgui: 0
.swap_ralt_rgui: 0
.no_gui: 0
.swap_grave_esc: 0
.swap_backslash_backspace: 0
.nkro: 0


https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/keyboard/alps64/keymap_plain.c

Waiting for device:
Listening:
_config.raw: 00
.enable: 0
.matrix: 0
.keyboard: 0
.mouse: 0
keymap_config.raw: 00
.swap_control_capslock: 0
.capslock_to_control: 0
.swap_lalt_lgui: 0
.swap_ralt_rgui: 0
.no_gui: 0
.swap_grave_esc: 0
.swap_backslash_backspace: 0
.nkro: 0 

The default firmware from tmk-kbd worked, but that only has one layer, so that's no surprise.

[hasu]

Great. Bootmagic is not the cause of your problem.  Your keymap or hardware seems to me be the culprit.

I hope you can solve it.

Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

[hasu]

Great product, bought one about a month ago and "completed" it last week using a SGI 101 dremel cut(don't do this is you can avoid it) plate and keys. It's currently my favorite board.

http://i.imgur.com/42TTCYJ.jpg

edit: since I'm posting here anyway, maybe someone competent with TMK can tell me an easy way to change right shift, right alt, right windows and right control to arrow keys and capslock to function.

Thanks for posting the pic!
Yeah, DIY cutting pate is very time consumig and makes an old keyboard victim. You were really lucky with dremel I did that ridiculously with hand saw

Just FYI for all:
Now you can get DXF data of 60% Alps plate fortunately due to effort of emdude, Wingpad and the community.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0

I think you can order a steel plate from cheap laser cut service like http://lasergist.com/ for less than $50.

[MandrewDavis]

Great product, bought one about a month ago and "completed" it last week using a SGI 101 dremel cut(don't do this is you can avoid it) plate and keys. It's currently my favorite board.

http://i.imgur.com/42TTCYJ.jpg

Thanks for posting the pic!
Yeah, DIY cutting pate is very time consumig and makes an old keyboard victim. You were really lucky with dremel I did that ridiculously with hand saw

Just FYI for all:
Now you can get DXF data of 60% Alps plate fortunately due to effort of emdude, Wingpad and the community.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0

I think you can order a steel plate from cheap laser cut service like http://lasergist.com/ for less than $50.

I was planning on cutting up my AEK plate with a jigsaw, hoping it would easier than using a dremel. Although, with a DXF I may look into a Chinese laser-cutter before hacking up a perfectly good keyboard.

Anyway, how thick is the FR-4 plate because Lasergist cuts in 1mm and 1.5mm thicknesses, but I hear the switches won't click into place at 1.5mm?

PCB itself is great, Keep up the good work Hasu!

[hasu]

Great product, bought one about a month ago and "completed" it last week using a SGI 101 dremel cut(don't do this is you can avoid it) plate and keys. It's currently my favorite board.

http://i.imgur.com/42TTCYJ.jpg

Thanks for posting the pic!
Yeah, DIY cutting pate is very time consumig and makes an old keyboard victim. You were really lucky with dremel I did that ridiculously with hand saw

Just FYI for all:
Now you can get DXF data of 60% Alps plate fortunately due to effort of emdude, Wingpad and the community.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82916.0

I think you can order a steel plate from cheap laser cut service like http://lasergist.com/ for less than $50.

I was planning on cutting up my AEK plate with a jigsaw, hoping it would easier than using a dremel. Although, with a DXF I may look into a Chinese laser-cutter before hacking up a perfectly good keyboard.

Anyway, how thick is the FR-4 plate because Lasergist cuts in 1mm and 1.5mm thicknesses, but I hear the switches won't click into place at 1.5mm?

PCB itself is great, Keep up the good work Hasu!

My AEK PCB plate is 1.2mm thick. Alps spec says thickness should be 1.0-1.2mm and I don't know how 1.5mm plate works with Alps switches.
If you order a plate using the DXF file report the result in the thread above.

[sprit]

1.0 - 1.2mm plates are standard, thinner will be noisier, thicker will sturdy and quiet by its nature.
Personally prefer 1.2mm Steel Plates we see among Famous ALPS boards, for the Linears, Tactiles,
1.0-1.2 Alu Plates for the Clicky, linerars, etc.
-  But this depends on each real form of product, sure.

Appreciate Hasu for bring this to us !     

[tofgerl]

Great. Bootmagic is not the cause of your problem.  Your keymap or hardware seems to me be the culprit.

I hope you can solve it.

Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

Probably hardware. I suck at soldering.

[duynguyenle]

I was just about to cut up a perfectly good AEK1 steel plate before I saw Hasu's PCB plate along with the 7th run, all paid up and can't wait for them to get here. Retrobrighted the AEK spacebar yesterday, it's looking good!

[hasu]

sprit, thanks for sharing your experience on plates.
My 1.2mm FR-4 plate worked well without problem in assembly process and on typing so far. Glad
Comparing to steel plate with orange switches I can't feel significant difference except for switch property, but it may be because I have no good sensitivity on finger tips.



My space bar needs retrobrite too!