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Offline raptorzoz

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #300 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 05:08:46 »
Samples getting better and better.
Note that the final surface will be smooth :thumb:
I have to rework the blue color.

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The update is coming very soon.

It looks absolutely fantastic!

Offline Slice

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #301 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 05:39:53 »
Love the look! So happy to see that you are not going for the shiny ones.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #302 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 05:54:57 »
this is looking awesome  :eek:

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #303 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 08:24:16 »
I'll update the initial thread when I'll get the new renders.
New kits (pricing is coming soon):

base-kit (which covers from 40% to full-size layouts)


calc-kit (numpad extension)


ergo-kit


extension-kit


intl-kit (basically NorDeUkFr)


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I might remove the 40% support from the base kit and put it in the ergo kit if that make more sense.

Offline Senor Coconut

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #304 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 08:44:03 »
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Offline danieljgrouse

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #305 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 08:49:04 »
I like the new kit breakdown, including having 40% support in the main kit. Kinda wish the rainbow spacebars were available in the Space-kit though. They're a huge part of the set's identity for me and while I will totally pay for a kit I don't need just to get them, I wish I didn't have to. Glad to see the matte finish turned out right, the glossy nature of KAM is beautiful but wouldn't fit Wraith. You're killing it biip, so many great keysets lately! Thanks for all your work. (And curse you because I should be spending money on other things as well.)

Offline piit79

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #306 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 08:53:10 »
I might remove the 40% support from the base kit and put it in the ergo kit if that make more sense.

I'm surprised this got reshuffled so aggressively into big kits rather than the usual pick-and-choose format... Why is that? I thought MOQs are not an issue. After many massive GMK base kits I was looking forward to small specialized kits... A bit disappointed to be frank.

Anyway, I'd personally prefer if you kept 40% in the base - I was going to get 60/65% support anyway and this would mean I only need one kit. Ortho seems to be included in base too. OTOH, if you do end up moving 40%/ortho to ergo, I might just get that and save a bit of money.

I see the rainbow stripe on the 2u spacebar didn't work out in the end, that's a pity. I guess that's because it's also for other boards, where it would not work very well, not just for ortho (where it would fit beautifully).

Offline Adelscott

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #307 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 08:55:04 »
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Offline Ruwey

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #308 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:03:46 »


I'll update the initial thread when I'll get the new renders.
New kits (pricing is coming soon):

Are you getting rid of the arrow kit? Those vim keys looked awfully nice.

Offline Robosculpts

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #309 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:05:02 »
No more little red spacebar? That was my favorite part.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #310 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:05:17 »
I might remove the 40% support from the base kit and put it in the ergo kit if that make more sense.

I'm surprised this got reshuffled so aggressively into big kits rather than the usual pick-and-choose format... Why is that?

To lower the cost. My goal was to offer the possibility to cover a full-size board for $100.
Keep in mind that this set requires all the molds being created in matte finish  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #311 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:06:30 »
No more little red spacebar? That was my favorite part.

It didnít fit the spirit/aesthetic of Sinclair keyboards IMO.

Offline piit79

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #312 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:08:28 »
Kinda wish the rainbow spacebars were available in the Space-kit though. They're a huge part of the set's identity for me and while I will totally pay for a kit I don't need just to get them, I wish I didn't have to.

Agreed - is there any chance you would reconsider and move those striped spacebars to the spacebar kit? And poasibly include a striped 2u one as well? ;) (I'd totally understand the latter wasn't feasible though.)

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #313 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:10:49 »
Kinda wish the rainbow spacebars were available in the Space-kit though. They're a huge part of the set's identity for me and while I will totally pay for a kit I don't need just to get them, I wish I didn't have to.

Agreed - is there any chance you would reconsider and move those striped spacebars to the spacebar kit? And poasibly include a striped 2u one as well? ;) (I'd totally understand the latter wasn't feasible though.)

Iíll definitely rework the space kit and include a 2u rainbow spacebar :)

Offline Robosculpts

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #314 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:11:28 »
No more little red spacebar? That was my favorite part.

It didnít fit the spirit/aesthetic of Sinclair keyboards IMO.

No worries! I'll be in for the ergo set my dude.

Offline Robosculpts

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #315 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:12:03 »
Kinda wish the rainbow spacebars were available in the Space-kit though. They're a huge part of the set's identity for me and while I will totally pay for a kit I don't need just to get them, I wish I didn't have to.

Agreed - is there any chance you would reconsider and move those striped spacebars to the spacebar kit? And poasibly include a striped 2u one as well? ;) (I'd totally understand the latter wasn't feasible though.)

Iíll definitely rework the space kit and include a 2u rainbow spacebar :)

YES!!

Offline piit79

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #316 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:12:09 »
Iíll definitely rework the space kit and include a 2u rainbow spacebar :)

Awesome, thanks! I understand about the cost cutting, still can't wait ;)

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #317 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 10:11:59 »
hello Biip,
In the Int Kit, the real sign of the apostrophe is missing and has been replaced by some kind of half English quotation mark (aka single quote). Could you correct it? Thx, and great sets!
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Offline Adelscott

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #318 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 10:14:27 »
hello Biip, I have the impression that the real sign of the apostrophe has been replaced by a half English quotation mark. Could you correct that? Thx

+1

And there's an accent mistake for the … 2 key

Offline Senor Coconut

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #319 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 10:15:55 »
+2 with love
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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #320 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 12:17:09 »
Wonderful ... in for base, calc, extension and int ... maybe space ... now i need 7V in blue ...

Offline Ruwey

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #321 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 12:33:07 »
Still miss the vim keys tho

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #322 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 13:04:56 »
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some newer ergo boards (Boardwalk, Sol2) require two additional 1.5u mods, would you mind including those in this kit? This has especially been prevalent for KAT kits lately.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #323 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 13:25:26 »
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I'd suggest either adding -/_ & +/= keys for the top row or replacing the del/graph keys for them. That and I think it would be better if the outer 1.5u legends were more "generic" (similar to the old ergo kit). It's going to be near impossible to cover the layouts used by everyone for ergo boards. For example I would need a 1.5u tilde, backslash, quotation mark, but no caps lock. So legends which don't correspond to regular keys makes more sense imo.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #324 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 13:32:06 »
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I'd suggest either adding -/_ & +/= keys for the top row or replacing the del/graph keys for them. That and I think it would be better if the outer 1.5u legends were more "generic" (similar to the old ergo kit). It's going to be near impossible to cover the layouts used by everyone for ergo boards. For example I would need a 1.5u tilde, backslash, quotation mark, but no caps lock. So legends which don't correspond to regular keys makes more sense imo.

+1, making the ergo mods more generic would be helpful for layout compatibility. If not though, please don't remove del/graph  :D

Offline Rayndalf

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #325 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 13:34:03 »
Boardwalk support would also be really nice (KAT Lich had a nice kit for it)

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #326 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 13:43:38 »
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some newer ergo boards (Boardwalk, Sol2) require two additional 1.5u mods, would you mind including those in this kit? This has especially been prevalent for KAT kits lately.

Boardwalk support would also be really nice (KAT Lich had a nice kit for it)

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I'd suggest either adding -/_ & +/= keys for the top row or replacing the del/graph keys for them. That and I think it would be better if the outer 1.5u legends were more "generic" (similar to the old ergo kit). It's going to be near impossible to cover the layouts used by everyone for ergo boards. For example I would need a 1.5u tilde, backslash, quotation mark, but no caps lock. So legends which don't correspond to regular keys makes more sense imo.

+1 for all this!

Offline farmisen

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #327 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 15:22:18 »
This set is brilliant. I am going to write the Queen and beg her to make upas a Lord for his good work in general and KAM Wraith in particular.

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Offline stoffelduss

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #328 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 18:08:21 »
Cool! It's lacking a homing kit now but that's fine, with how it messes up the sublegends I guess this set won't be super popular with alternative layouts despite being uniform profile and I will just use the included non-homing keys and scramble the alphas :P

And uuh I don't know how this happened but you don't need to include the 1u backslash key 3 times in a uniform profile set haha

Also on the 1.25u and 1.5u MAG. TRUE VIDEO keys you can spell out MAGENTA, there's enough space I think.

I'm definitely interested, I think I'll get the base kit, also interested in the extension kit if the rainbow stripes and the extra coloured keys turn out great in the samples. Though personally, I think I would love it if there were spacebars (6.25 and 7) without rainbow, but with "break space". at least I'd like to see what that would look like, in a render or something. maybe that could be the spacebars in the regular base kit? or do you want them to be blank?

Offline psxndc

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #329 on: Sun, 15 December 2019, 20:28:38 »
Cool! It's lacking a homing kit now but that's fine, with how it messes up the sublegends I guess this set won't be super popular with alternative layouts despite being uniform profile and I will just use the included non-homing keys and scramble the alphas :P

Colemak user here and I figured Iíll just move caps around. Iíve accepted that getting accurate subs for an alternate layout is a lot to ask, especially on a uniform profile. But if Iím being honest, I wouldnít mind a homing set of HUNT to at least give us homing keys for several layouts (Colemak, Dvorak, Workman etc).

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics + kits update)
« Reply #330 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 03:21:59 »
update!















I'll have the retail prices very soon, but as mentioned the price of the base kit should not exceed $100.
The Group Buy will be around mid-January, I'll post the final date when it gets confirmed by all the vendors :thumb:

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #331 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 03:31:55 »
Thx!
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Offline Loligagger

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #332 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 03:40:12 »
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I'll have the retail prices very soon, but as mentioned the price of the base kit should not exceed $100.
The Group Buy will be around mid-January, I'll post the final date when it gets confirmed by all the vendors :thumb:

I should've been more specific, for the -/_ & =/+ keys in the ergo kit I meant 1u size. I do still think the 1.5u keys should be more 'generic' (like the legends in the extension kit). Are the peek/out, code/in & rnd/merge caps in the ergo kit intended to be doubled up btw?

Offline danieljgrouse

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #333 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 03:41:51 »
Awesome! I love this new breakdown. Iím a huge fan of trying to come up with inclusive kits that drive the price down for layouts that arenít standard TKL but are still fairly common. With the shared MoQ of KAT and KAM making tonnes of smaller kits might make sense in some cases but they can make the prices balloon up really fast. Glad to see an affordable option for 40% and ISO users for once even though I donít need those keys myself.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #334 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 04:21:35 »
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I'll have the retail prices very soon, but as mentioned the price of the base kit should not exceed $100.
The Group Buy will be around mid-January, I'll post the final date when it gets confirmed by all the vendors :thumb:

I should've been more specific, for the -/_ & =/+ keys in the ergo kit I meant 1u size. I do still think the 1.5u keys should be more 'generic' (like the legends in the extension kit). Are the peek/out, code/in & rnd/merge caps in the ergo kit intended to be doubled up btw?



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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #335 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 05:03:20 »
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 :D

Sorry to keep nitpicking, but what I mean is the eight 1.5u keys that were in the earlier ergo kit should all have generic or novelty legends. That way it's compatible with all layouts without needing to add extra 1.5u keys.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #336 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 05:17:45 »
Great updates, thanks again!

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #337 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 06:10:53 »

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics + kits update)
« Reply #338 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 06:17:27 »
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I'll have the retail prices very soon, but as mentioned the price of the base kit should not exceed $100.
The Group Buy will be around mid-January, I'll post the final date when it gets confirmed by all the vendors :thumb:

Could you add the tertiary characters to the int 7,8,9,0, < and Ŗ keys? They're not needed a lot but are important.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #339 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 06:23:47 »

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Coming through with a sweet looking ergo set! Hella getting this.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #340 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 08:05:15 »
I was a little worried after the first set of samples, but the new ones look incredible, even better than the renders.

Thoughts on adding back raise and lower keys for ortho? There's not really a good substitute for them.

Offline piit79

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #341 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 08:54:13 »
Thoughts on adding back raise and lower keys for ortho? There's not really a good substitute for them.

Ha, didn't notice that... That would be great! Other keys are most probably not a problem due to flat profile.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #342 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 09:17:57 »
Thoughts on adding back raise and lower keys for ortho? There's not really a good substitute for them.
Please!

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #343 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 09:19:30 »
I don't post here much, but I just had to look up my password to say that: HELL YES, I am so in for this kit.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #344 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 12:04:30 »
I don't know if I should say it, it's so obvious, but biip is the best. Period.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #345 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 12:16:21 »
I don't know if I should say it, it's so obvious, but biip is the best. Period.

I want to second this. I always feel like Biip listens to the community and tries really hard to give us what's requested. Thank you, Biip!

Biip, can you update the first post though to reflect the kits as-of-today? Thanks!
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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #346 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 17:37:04 »
If this goes to GB with these kits, who from Europe wants to share keys from the nav kit? I only want homing N and T, so Dvorak users and users of HHKB arrows, WASD arrows and IJKL/HJKL arrows can apply :P

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #347 on: Mon, 16 December 2019, 19:24:48 »
If this goes to GB with these kits, who from Europe wants to share keys from the nav kit? I only want homing N and T, so Dvorak users and users of HHKB arrows, WASD arrows and IJKL/HJKL arrows can apply
Hey, I would like the IJKL arrows please ;)

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics + kits update)
« Reply #348 on: Tue, 17 December 2019, 02:24:07 »
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I'll have the retail prices very soon, but as mentioned the price of the base kit should not exceed $100.
The Group Buy will be around mid-January, I'll post the final date when it gets confirmed by all the vendors :thumb:

Any chance of an extra 'b' key in the spacebars kit for Alice boards?

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics + kits update)
« Reply #349 on: Tue, 17 December 2019, 02:35:05 »
Any chance of an extra 'b' key in the spacebars kit for Alice boards?
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people using both hands for b... just choose one ffs