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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #650 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 19:04:39 »
Even though I covet a Dolch set, I like this one and will stick w/ it. The Korean GB is way overpriced IMHO -- I would suggest to start a Dolch GB if this set doesn't get to MOQ, that will teach 'em ;)
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #651 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 19:33:54 »
+1 for the Ivan's dolch GB along with this, all the Dolch out there is way too overprice, Sherry's making profit from it, so it's easy to understand but the Korean GB, jeez
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #652 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 19:38:53 »
Yeah i'm in the N9 camp as well. N9 would go with everything if you split the mods and alphas whereas I don't think the CC mods will be as flexible, they'll look weird when paired with WoB alphas.
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #653 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 02:44:40 »
i'm not joining either of the dolch gb.

mainly because:-
Ivan's dolch
- i prefer N9 mods and CC alphas or at least the normal Dolch colour set (EDIT: actually, what's the current colour of the single tone anyway? CC or 2B?)
- i'm yet to accept the insert pagedown cluster symbols :))

Korean's dolch
- insane price
- no numpad

a question though, ivan's gb includes windowed key but still at 250 moq whereas the korean needs 400 moq for windowed key, why the difference?
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #654 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 02:55:20 »
i'm not joining either of the dolch gb.

mainly because:-
Ivan's dolch
- i prefer N9 mods and CC alphas
- i'm yet to accept the insert pagedown cluster symbols :))

Korean's dolch
- insane price
- no numpad

a question though, ivan's gb includes windowed key but still at 250 moq whereas the korean needs 400 moq for windowed key, why the difference?

The windowed keys are still at 400, we're just going to order extras to meet MOQ.
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #655 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 02:59:17 »
i'm not joining either of the dolch gb.

mainly because:-
Ivan's dolch
- i prefer N9 mods and CC alphas
- i'm yet to accept the insert pagedown cluster symbols :))

Korean's dolch
- insane price
- no numpad

a question though, ivan's gb includes windowed key but still at 250 moq whereas the korean needs 400 moq for windowed key, why the difference?

The windowed keys are still at 400, we're just going to order extras to meet MOQ.

thanks mate, i just got informed by a friend of mine about it. pardon me for not following the thread, since there's just too many threads to follow  :-[
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #656 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 09:31:42 »
Right the windowed keys will get doubled up and use an alternate legend for those that don't like the lock icon.
How many people really hate the nav cluster? We can change it to text version if it will help.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #657 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 09:37:33 »
Right the windowed keys will get doubled up and use an alternate legend for those that don't like the lock icon.
How many people really hate the nav cluster? We can change it to text version if it will help.

I don't hate the nav cluster, but I would strongly prefer the standard text version.

I think when it comes to GMK GBs with a relatively high MOQ we need to stick to the most standard layouts and legends possible to attract more people. Sure this might seem boring, but after all this is what the majority of people want. See the success of the simple Dolch Set - the color options are the main selling point here!

If you want more extravagant options you should offer this in your PBT dyesub GBs with a MOQ of 20 per set.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #658 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 09:38:52 »
I'm OK with the symbols but I'd prefer the text to be honest - cherry font is so nice I want it everywhere!
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #659 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 10:06:48 »
Personally I think the symbols are MUCH better than text.
For me that's what makes this set unique - they are still original cherry legends - not just made up crap.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #660 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 10:30:06 »
Right the windowed keys will get doubled up and use an alternate legend for those that don't like the lock icon.
How many people really hate the nav cluster? We can change it to text version if it will help.

like the others, i don't really hate it, but requires some effort to adjust myself in accepting that NAV symbols (I LIKE THE SYMBOLS-ONLY ON THE MODS!  :)))
the deal breaker for me is still the colour scheme, which is the darker grey mods and lighter grey alpha.
that's just my personal preference  :D
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #661 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 10:39:37 »
I'd prefer symbols on the nav cluster, I have loads of sets with just text.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #662 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 10:41:25 »
I choose them since they were non specific international ISO standard... even though they are not so commonly used. This made sense originally with the intent to have multiple languages offered... but that couldn't happen due to the MOQ numbers versus interest. Now that this is English language only, both US and GB tend to use the text style... I guess that makes more sense in this scope? I still like the international version myself as I think it looks more interesting and it's something different than usual, but I recognize my tastes differ from others at times. If it makes the difference of meeting the MOQ or not, then it must be changed.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #663 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 11:56:18 »
Polled! Thanks for being flexible.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #664 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 12:02:40 »
Voted!

But I can click the link again - is it possible for you to check for multiple votes from the same user? Otherwise this will be abused...

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #665 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 12:05:14 »
Voted as well. I selected 'All symbol mods (current), text nav' but I'm flexible either way. Just get some new GMK stuff in my mailbox :P
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #666 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 12:15:36 »
It's on the honor system really. There isn't much reliable way to check for ballot stuffing with googledocs. Even if I add forum username field, it doesn't stop people from voting again and simply making something up/using sock puppet account names and so on.
Even still, I will decide in the end what changes if anything especially if I don't think a result feels right.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #667 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 12:21:09 »
It's on the honor system really. There isn't much reliable way to check for ballot stuffing with googledocs. Even if I add forum username field, it doesn't stop people from voting again and simply making something up/using sock puppet account names and so on.
Even still, I will decide in the end what changes if anything especially if I don't think a result feels right.

Ok.

Just for the record: I voted for CC clolor, Symbol/text combo (like common US sets) and Additional windowed function row.

I know "Booooring!", but I like it :p


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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #668 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 12:45:30 »
N9, all symbols  :blank:

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #669 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 13:04:17 »
N9 for me with text / symbol modifiers and non-windowed lock buttons

Looks like pleasing everyone is going to be hard!
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #670 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 13:16:28 »
Ivan, this may be a crazy idea, but is there any chance for your GB to join purchasing power with the Korean's? At the end it is just economy of scales, that may benefit all the interested parties.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #671 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 13:18:49 »
Ivan, this may be a crazy idea, but is there any chance for your GB to join purchasing power with the Korean's? At the end it is just economy of scales, that may benefit all the interested parties.

But your talking about completely different colorways, legends, etc.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #672 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 13:44:45 »
Ivan, this may be a crazy idea, but is there any chance for your GB to join purchasing power with the Korean's? At the end it is just economy of scales, that may benefit all the interested parties.

But your talking about completely different colorways, legends, etc.


I know, but if will does exist, there is always common ground to reach agreements.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #673 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 13:47:28 »
Solution is easy - if you really want this set buy another unit.
If everyone does it MOQ is met already

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #674 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 14:05:15 »
This buy has been open world wide from the start, just as always. I have no clue why there has been next to zero support/interest from the Koreans. There was next to none on the CMY Esc / spacebars either. As of lately 95% of all orders in my buys have been from North America and Europe.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #675 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 14:13:05 »
This buy has been open world wide from the start, just as always. I have no clue why there has been next to zero support/interest from the Koreans. There was next to none on the CMY Esc / spacebars either. As of lately 95% of all orders in my buys have been from North America and Europe.


That explains most of the phenomenon. Koreans are out of this then.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #676 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 14:39:16 »
Was this posted on Korean forums?

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #677 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 15:01:51 »
Voted for N9 with symbol glyphs as present.

I personally feel that the symbols are a discrete and smart way to differentiate the set from others.  :thumb:

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #678 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 16:28:09 »
oooooh CC colour with the current keyset would be AMAZE, especially with the CYMW group buy!

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #679 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 18:17:28 »
I don't go on the Korean forums... always had problems getting sites to load/ not able to make account and etc. so at some point I just gave up on it. I am pretty sure someone else posted about buys on my behalf though. We had a lot of Korea orders in the first GMK buy I did, and I don't remember any problems so I am really not sure if they are avoiding my buys for some reason or what?

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #680 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 21:38:09 »
i voted CC with All symbol mods (current), text nav
but i would want to see a N9 mod kit >.<
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #681 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 22:24:01 »
Why is the poll not having an option like "do you prefer 2 tone or monotone?"

CC as alpha kit, N9 as mod kit pleaseeee!

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #682 on: Mon, 03 February 2014, 22:54:50 »
Why is the poll not having an option like "do you prefer 2 tone or monotone?"

CC as alpha kit, N9 as mod kit pleaseeee!

Probably due to this existing GB http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54181.0

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #683 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 01:02:27 »
Voted. Symblol Glyphs for MOD & NAV. My tastle is same you, Ivan :)

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #684 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 02:16:46 »
Why is the poll not having an option like "do you prefer 2 tone or monotone?"

CC as alpha kit, N9 as mod kit pleaseeee!

Probably due to this existing GB http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54181.0

The difference for me is that Ivan is catering for us with ISO/UK layouts.

My ideal would be for two-tone but I'll take whatever can reach MOQ because it is a GMK ISO/UK set.
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #685 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 06:00:03 »
While we're discussing symbols:
German ISO has symbol mod default as well, but with a different caps lock (the shift arrow pointing down).
I mean, the lock kind of makes sense, but  the german one just looks much cleaner :P
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #686 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 06:05:23 »
I prefer N9, nav symbols but would stick to symbol/text mod
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #687 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 09:16:23 »
Since we need to double up on windowed keys I would likely pick the DE style inverted shift arrow for the caps lock for the other one... unless US style wins then the text version I suppose.
Currently there is a 3 way tie on legend style between current, US style, and symbol mods / text nav. CC has taken the lead on color in a big way. There is not any real consensus on what you all would like for any add on pack.
I know Dolch is popular... but my idea was to do a totally neutral set for mix match with future mod or alpha only sets in other colors. That way more versatility can be accomplished with buying less with smaller sets to make totally different looks.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #688 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 09:30:00 »
Sorry but i don't understand "CC". Can you talk clearly?

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #689 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 09:30:54 »
CC has taken the lead on color in a big way.

That's bad news for me. I'm out if you make this set in CC. Guess I will have to wait for a N9 alpha GB then.
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #690 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 09:31:59 »
Sorry but i don't understand "CC". Can you talk clearly?

Usually CC refers to keycaps made by ClickClack. But in the case of this thread, it's a color code of GMK plastic. See the photo Ivan posted on page 21 for more detail.
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #691 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 09:35:39 »
Oh no very sorry. CC is name 's color :( I'm stunned : :confused:

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #692 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 09:36:50 »
Sorry but i don't understand "CC". Can you talk clearly?

Usually CC refers to keycaps made by ClickClack. But in the case of this thread, it's a color code of GMK plastic. See the photo Ivan posted on page 21 for more detail.
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #693 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 09:39:43 »
Currently there is a 3 way tie on legend style between current, US style, and symbol mods / text nav. CC has taken the lead on color in a big way. There is not any real consensus on what you all would like for any add on pack.

Keep in mind that polling has a number of flaws. For instance, people interested in seeing the color changed are much more likely to be sticking around this thread, advocating for the change, and casting votes in the poll. Those who were happy with the initial choice assume that everything's continuing as usual.

I can't see the actual numbers of course, but something to keep in mind nonetheless ;)

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #694 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 09:47:34 »
Yes of course. There are a LOT of problems with polls... but I need some easier way of gathering feedback in one place instead of looking through thread to see comment.

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #695 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 09:50:09 »
I'm sure you'll make the right choice then! :thumb:

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #696 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 09:51:15 »
I am hoping nothing to be changed. Even there are I am okay with it either.
However I do hope N9 to be chosen as the color for this set.
Still funding until I have the money before submitting order =) .

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #697 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 11:00:08 »
if anyone is tilting the poll you're an idiot, as others will not buy into the GB and it'll just fail! So please don't!

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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #698 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 18:31:49 »
Indeed, it is a tough thing to change anything once a buy has been running in attempt to gain more orders... wrong moves will cause some to leave and we end up in the same spot again. I will probably be much more likely to make very minor changes which will hopefully make more happy and not upset many. I think the most likely change will be to the nav to text based. It's probably the safest small change and seem to have a reasonable amount of support. If that happens I may move the symbol nav to the extras pack so it can still be had for an additional cost.
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Re: GMK white/dark grey US/GB full set
« Reply #699 on: Tue, 04 February 2014, 19:04:59 »
Indeed, it is a tough thing to change anything once a buy has been running in attempt to gain more orders... wrong moves will cause some to leave and we end up in the same spot again. I will probably be much more likely to make very minor changes which will hopefully make more happy and not upset many. I think the most likely change will be to the nav to text based. It's probably the safest small change and seem to have a reasonable amount of support. If that happens I may move the symbol nav to the extras pack so it can still be had for an additional cost.

If you go to NAV text for this group buy, you 'll do both NAV symbol N9 & CR in future? Or just CR?
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