[IC] LZ-MX GH

[danielucf]

LZ MX GH  information:
We would need at least 40, but I would probably cap it at 50 like the LZ-GH. Also note that the total for shipping the LZ-GH came out to about $65 after getting it from Korea to the US, and then from the US to everywhere else. I would really like to have Orange as a color option but I need to ask LifeZ if they can do that, but the gold color isn't too bad.

CASE:
Looks like LZ-GH style. Possibly with deeper engraved name on the back.

PCB:
PS2AVR MX-MINI
PS2/USB Combo(color white)
with EXT Module ( PS2/USB Converter)
Bottom Row
1.25x 1x 1.25x 6.25x 1x 1x 1x 1x 1x (WK)
or 1.5x 1.5x 7x 1.5x 1.5x 1x 1x 1x (WKL)
Controller parts soldered, f/w up, without diode

Configuration and Pricing

LZ MX GH
Basic Set - $328(without tax and delivery fee)
1 x case (top, bottom, Foot bar)
1 x plate (wk & wkl combo)
1 x PCB (PS2/USB Combo)
4 x bumpon (silicon)

Option
plate : $34
pcb : $44

Choose color
case : Black, Silver, Blue, Gold, Metal gray, Light Pink

Plate Color : Black, Silver

[acantha]

i keep saying i don't need more korean boards..... but then i see another one i want. i'm in.

[TLSC.wipeOut]

Any possibility of an LZ-GH run? (for those who missed out the first time, like moi)

[Moosecraft]

Holy moly, I'm in

[LONGZILLA]

Digging the layout, keeping an eye on this GB

[Moosecraft]

Btw do you have any samples of the blue colour?

[MKULTRA]

I am VERY interested in this.  Considering I was going to buy an MX-Mini and design a case for it, this may be a better option.

A couple questions:

1. Does the price include switches, stabs, etc?
2. Does LZ do assembly or do we assemble?

[Photoelectric]

The set does not include the PCB?  Just double-checking.  Currently it says that the basic set is case + plate + case feet.  So the full set of everything would be the basic set + PCB, $320 + $44 = $364?  (Plus switches, stabilizers, diodes, etc.)

[Moosecraft]

The set does not include the PCB?  Just double-checking.  Currently it says that the basic set is case + plate + case feet.  So the full set of everything would be the basic set + PCB, $320 + $44 = $364?  (Plus switches, stabilizers, diodes, etc.)

I think you are correct

[pasph]

I have yet to receive my LZ-GH and alaricljs don't answer to PMs...

[MKULTRA]

The set does not include the PCB?  Just double-checking.  Currently it says that the basic set is case + plate + case feet.  So the full set of everything would be the basic set + PCB, $320 + $44 = $364?  (Plus switches, stabilizers, diodes, etc.)

That would probably be a deal killer for me...

[Dubsgalore]

* Dubsgalore glances up and down and nods his head

[MOZ]

In for a PCB

[bigx333]

I have yet to receive my LZ-GH and alaricljs don't answer to PMs...

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48137.0

On topic:

Any chance I can trade my soul to get a purple one? 

[goobus]

Out of curiosity - how is this different from the LZ MX SE?

[MKULTRA]

Out of curiosity - how is this different from the LZ MX SE?

GH edition

[goobus]

Out of curiosity - how is this different from the LZ MX SE?

GH edition

Ah, pardon my ignorance. I saw this board on dangwang's blog and fell in love. Sign me up for one!

[codyeatworld]

Hell yeah! Ive been wanting an mx mini.

I love my lz-gh.

[ekw808]

Out of curiosity - how is this different from the LZ MX SE?

Mx se isn't programmable, but this one is with a different PCB and at the cost of a extension.

[goobus]

Out of curiosity - how is this different from the LZ MX SE?

Mx se isn't programmable, but this one is with a different PCB and at the cost of a extension.

Thanks for the info. This just makes me want it more.....

[MarkPharaoh]

Perfect timing since I just went FT at work with a pay raise :D

Love me some compact keyboards with dedicated arrow clusters. Going to keep a close eye on this one.

[moogle]

_

[meiosis]

Out of curiosity - how is this different from the LZ MX SE?

Mx se isn't programmable, but this one is with a different PCB and at the cost of a extension.

You can grab an aikon to make it programmable

[Turkishrambo]

ya'll jelly of the deep engrave! Nah jk but im guessing someone would like to see a pic of what a deeper cut would look like

[sleepy916]

Aww I was hoping the case would look like the SE.

[MKULTRA]

Aww I was hoping the case would look like the SE.

That isn't the LZ MX GH, that is an LZ GH with presumably a Photoshopped engraving.

[Turkishrambo]

Aww I was hoping the case would look like the SE.

That isn't the LZ MX GH, that is an LZ GH with presumably a Photoshopped engraving.

It's not photoshopped sir! I think something messed up and they had to go deeper for some reason. Maybe first one made of batch? No clue!

Edited picture so there is no confusion

[Elrick]

LZ MX GH  information:
We would need at least 40, but I would probably cap it at 50 like the LZ-GH.

Well if it's going to look like your pics you provided, then count me in for this baby.  Of course if it's being made by TeamREDLINE in Korea it must be shipped to GON for him to piece it all together for me  .

[sleepy916]

Aww I was hoping the case would look like the SE.

That isn't the LZ MX GH, that is an LZ GH with presumably a Photoshopped engraving.

I was refering to the statement in the op where he said it would look like the LZ-GH.

[danielucf]

Updated a little bit. Orange is not a color they can do, and the price was supposed to show that the pcb is included.

[Turkishrambo]

Im starting to get interested in this would love to match it with my lz-gh, any chance you could get accurate colour samples? I know some ppl were disappointed in the red for the lz-gh

[laden3]

Interested in WK. Is it possible to ship directly from Korea? If I am not mistaken, that would be cheaper.

[pasph]

Of course if it's being made by TeamREDLINE in Korea it must be shipped to GON for him to piece it all together for me  .

I also wish to know if this is possible.

[codyeatworld]

can we get stickers like this?

[MKULTRA]

Okay yeah.  I'm in on this for sure.

[Sifo]

I'd grab one in Salmon.

But really do indeed show the blue/pink and that'll decide if I'm in or not. Always said I wanted a board in this layout...

[whiteduck]

In!!!

[ApocalypseMaow]

It's about time!

[YongJK]

my body is ready

[ApocalypseMaow]

In the OP, the last photo should show 1.25x1x1.25x6.25x1.25x1x1x1x1x1 but says 1x1x1x1x1...

[aj-kun]

LZ MX GH WANT SIGN ME UP

[danielucf]

I decided to skip the red color because I don't really know of anyone that likes wine red.

This shows some of the colors, but we need the pink and blue still:

[Moosecraft]

If blue doesn't look to good I'll just get black

[bigx333]

The colors have MOQ?

[Turkishrambo]

The colors have MOQ?

just has to reach 40-50 boards total i believe

[ItsBc]

of course I am interested. gold/orange preferred

[ItsBc]

are you just counting posts at this point?

[xandr]

Damn you people who like ANSI keyboards... Why can the nice things never be available in ISO? I would so be in for one...

[Sifo]

PINK AND BLUE PL0x

[Dubsgalore]

I would look into a pink one

[danielucf]

blue color


pink color

[Sifo]

I'm out, qq

[Moomoo]

in fo sho

[TLSC.wipeOut]

blue color

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pink color

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not bad son

[laden3]

Are you going with the steel bottom plate with the mirror finish and the heavy steel bar?

Will there be an option with lighter anodized aluminum bottom plate and feet like these http://www.kbdmod.co.kr/product/detail.html?product_no=26&cate_no=12&display_group=1 ?

Is it possible to have acrylic switch plates instead of aluminum ones?

[danielucf]

Are you going with the steel bottom plate with the mirror finish and the heavy steel bar?

Will there be an option with lighter anodized aluminum bottom plate and feet like these http://www.kbdmod.co.kr/product/detail.html?product_no=26&cate_no=12&display_group=1 ?

Is it possible to have acrylic switch plates instead of aluminum ones?

It would be like LZ-GH with heavy bar, probably mirror finish, and aluminum plate. I don't like acrylic plates because if it breaks then you are screwed.

[goobus]

Any word on when we will be proceeding to gb? Just when we get to 40 ish? How long do these things usually take?

[Jokrik]

Tempting... the pink with valentine set would really look good...

[Tempiz]

Definitely In.

[blighty]

Since this plate seems to be both WinKey and WKL compatible, would the following bottom row layout work?
1.5x 1.5x 7x 1x 1x 1x 1x 1x 1x

[yicaoyimu]

This could be my first Korean board.

[Bullveyr]

Interested, just would need to find somebody for assembly.

[MKULTRA]

Daniel is this gonna have the acrylic middle layer shown in the keyboards here: http://lzlife.tistory.com/entry/MX-MINI

That would be soooo sick.

[danielucf]

Interested, just would need to find somebody for assembly.

I could do that for you.

Daniel is this gonna have the acrylic middle layer shown in the keyboards here: http://lzlife.tistory.com/entry/MX-MINI

That would be soooo sick.

acrylic plate is nice until it breaks and you realize you now no longer have a functioning plate for your $300-400 keyboard and your options to replace it are slim to none in addition to being really expensive. So in short no it will not have an acrylic plate, it will be exactly like LZ-GH just in the 75% layout. I think the previous LZ-MX used the same case design as the LZ-GH so this is sort of a remake of that except probably with the mirror finish on the bottom, and possibly a high end sticker to apply not unlike the LZ-SE. Those are details I need to work out still.

[Bullveyr]

Interested, just would need to find somebody for assembly.

I could do that for you.

Thanks, not that I was worried that I wouldn't find somebody with all the helpful people around here.

[Signature]

So this is where the GB is going to happen or will you open another thread in the GB section to order from? Interested though!

[MKULTRA]

So this is where the GB is going to happen or will you open another thread in the GB section to order from? Interested though!

When it happens Dan will open up a new thread in the GB section.  It may be a little while though.

[watterrbottle]

Super interested

[Findecanor]

1 x case (top, bottom, Foot bar)

Excuse me, but why does there need to be both a top and a bottom? If I were you I would construct it like a Poker, with only one piece + foot bar.
I would think that what you are after is to sandwich the plate between top and bottom, but ... would that really make a difference to having a plate screwed firmly to the bottom?

[Moosecraft]

1 x case (top, bottom, Foot bar)

Excuse me, but why does there need to be both a top and a bottom? If I were you I would construct it like a Poker, with only one piece + foot bar.
I would think that what you are after is to sandwich the plate between top and bottom, but ... would that really make a difference to having a plate screwed firmly to the bottom?

It looks nicer imo

[shawn24]

any news or updates about this ic? quite looking forward to it

[exitface]

Also interested in this.

[danielucf]

Waiting to see if the LZ-MX GH could be done in the same case style as the LZ-FE. It may be awhile.

[yicaoyimu]

Waiting to see if the LZ-MX GH could be done in the same case style as the LZ-FE. It may be awhile.

If there is a 50 orders limit like LZ-FE then I'd rather not see it done that way...

I sent you a PM, Deaniel. Not sure whether you got a chance to read it.

[yicaoyimu]

Any update from LifeZone? Any estimate of when LZ-MX will happen? I guess LZ must be very busy with all the LZ-FE and LZ-CE orders right now, but I want a LZ-MX so desperately.

[Photoelectric]

LZ AluSkin in two form factors is also still in production, so they are busy indeed.

[archer]

Definitely in for this!

[danielucf]

If this even happens it won't be until 2014 most likely.

[TLSC.wipeOut]

If this even happens it won't be until 2014 most likely.

Well then... that gives me time to actually save up for one! xD sweeettt

[Elrick]

If this even happens it won't be until 2014 most likely.

No worries, take your time because it's always best to get everything just right rather than rushing headlong into a possible disaster.

[joneslee85]

@danielucf i am interested in, just worried when I will get my hand on this if this is going to be shippable

[Emmiya]

Well, a little late to the party, but I'd definitely be interested in a WKL blue model.
However, as I've never even done anything other than swap in/out keycaps, I fear I would need some sort of assembly.

[yicaoyimu]

It's 2014 now (at least it is in China) and I'm still patiently waiting. 

[Dyelbro]

I'm in.

[SpAmRaY]

It's 2014 now (at least it is in China) and I'm still patiently waiting. 

You should probably be prepared to wait a very,  very long time.

[jufa]

interested in this, n waiting...

[yicaoyimu]

I guess this is never going to happen? It has been half a year now.

[tbc]

has anyone actually released a public 75% Kustom besides GON?

I really think no at this point

[mashby]

has anyone actually released a public 75% Kustom besides GON?

I really think no at this point

What about the KBT Race and the upcoming KBT Race II? Aren't those considered 75%?

[digi]

You might also checkout the Keycool 84 or the ChocMini, i like those layouts a little more because the function keys are directly above the number keys. But yes, in regards to Korean customs, there are not many. The GON Mx Mini, the LZ-MX and maybe a couple more floating around.

[mashby]

You might also checkout the Keycool 84 or the ChocMini, i like those layouts a little more because the function keys are directly above the number keys. But yes, in regards to Korean customs, there are not many. The GON Mx Mini, the LZ-MX and maybe a couple more floating around.

Good point digi. I missed the point that tbc was asking about "custom" and not commercial boards. Doh! 

[digi]

You might also checkout the Keycool 84 or the ChocMini, i like those layouts a little more because the function keys are directly above the number keys. But yes, in regards to Korean customs, there are not many. The GON Mx Mini, the LZ-MX and maybe a couple more floating around.

Good point digi. I missed the point that tbc was asking about "custom" and not commercial boards. Doh! 

All good Mashby!

[tadbitnerdy]

If this happens, I would buy one in black.  So, interested

[cannonking]

I hope this happens and I hope I have enough money when it does.

[Pacifist]

want 1.5x 1.5x 7x 1.5x 1.5x 1x 1x 1x

Is there a side view of the case?

[yicaoyimu]

want 1.5x 1.5x 7x 1.5x 1.5x 1x 1x 1x

Is there a side view of the case?

The case design is not settled yet. Daniel referred to the new LZ-MX kit as LZ-MX FE, and the only clue of what that could look like is a classifieds post by LifeZ, which is quoted below. Daniel also mentioned in a PM that "It is in very early planing stages". So, who knows.

Hello, all

Special keyboard for sale.

1. LZ TRiK X_T + SOWARE

Price : $740 (include paypal fee, excluding Ship)
Price : $770 (include paypal fee, excluding Ship)[/

This is TRiK X Transformation.

Special Version

Spec.

Case : Alu Case and include sts plate. Half-Glare Black

Plate : Alu, Silver

PCB : TRiK V2.1 PCB (USB, onboard USB HUB 2 port)

Switch : Vintage Cherry MX Clear with 55g,White stickers, Full tuned

Lay-out : Row 1.5x-1.0x-1.5x-7.0x-1.5x-1.0x-1.5x

bot case Scratch (Pic)

+

SOWARE KEY_CAPS SET (PIC)

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2. LZ MX FE  -> ninjadoc

Price : $670 (include paypal fee, excluding Ship)

Special Version

Case : Alu Case and include Brass Name plate. Glare Black

Plate : Alu,  Black

Switch : Vintage Cherry MX Clear with 55g, Full LED
         ABOstudio Transperant Switch top case

PCB : MX-mini U (USB & PS2)

LEDs Mode Change - > ESC + Caps

---  Without key_caps  ---

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Shipping price
Korea EMS
US, EU : $70, ASIA : 40

Pm.to me.plz

[cannonking]

I hope it looks like the LZ-MX-SE as opposed to LZ-GH style :x.

[ykilroy]

I'm in, too.

I'm looking for lz-mx or lz-mx-se but it's very hard to find it.

[metalliqaz]

I'll be in for this.

[cannonking]

By the way, are there any 75% keycap sets? I know there's Tsangan, but the profile on Insert/Delete/PageUp/Down will be wrong. Maybe some in Korea?

[SpAmRaY]

So would this be another redline group buy?

[danielucf]

So would this be another redline group buy?

I wanted to run it and just use them as the manufacturer. Communication is extremely difficult. I asked if this was still possible and LifeZ asked me how many we would want. I replied to him in minutes and that was April 6th. No reply yet when I told him 30-50+ would be interested.

As far as appearance I'd be cool with the LZ-MX SE style, LZ-MX, or LZ-MX FE with some slight tweaks. I like my GON 75% and it is pretty ideal for me, but I do want something a little heavier and solid on my desk. The LZ-FE I built was amazing but I don't like 80% layout so I sold it. We'll see what happens but if LifeZ doesn't contact me back we can't proceed.

Maybe if more people tell him to get back with me he will see there is interest and we can make something happen.

I also kind of want to see what kind of work a local anodizing company can do here in Orlando. If they do good work I'd almost be interested in getting everything non anodized and do it all local. That way we can keep it cheap and if there are any scratches during shipping they can be fixed before anodizing, and then I'll make sure every individual keyboard is packed appropriately. That may not work for international though since it may be cheaper for those people to receive their packages directly from South Korea. Just an idea I had though.

[metalliqaz]

We need a guy in the US who is up to this kind of thing.

[cherpalla]

If this is actually still alive I'm more than interested.

[tbc]

oh what.....I totally thought this was closed.

I am DEFINITELY in for this in LZ-MX FE style (all the different materials + weight) ...unless it takes too long and I get GON :/

[ebacho]

oh what.....I totally thought this was closed.

I am DEFINITELY in for this in LZ-MX FE style (all the different materials + weight) ...unless it takes too long and I get GON :/

Keep in mind GON's mx mini's are based on the PS2AVR board though.

[tbc]

isn't that what the op says as well?

[ebacho]

isn't that what the op says as well?

Whoops, could've sworn it was a different PCB.  My LZ-MX Mini is native USB as far as I can tell, and a bunch of GON's boards that I've seen need the little extension module at the end for it to work over USB.

[danielucf]

My GON 75% is straight USB no extension module.

[pmh1410]

My GON 75% is straight USB no extension module.

Because your PCB is MXminiU. You can connect direct to USB port.

[MrChunky]

This is very exciting. I've been looking for a smaller korean board! I am definitely in. Would it be possible to ship to Europe?

[Pacifist]

ugh, should I get a GON, sprit, find a LZ-MX, or wait for this?

[tjweir]

ugh, should I get a GON, sprit, find a LZ-MX, or wait for this?

All of the above?

[nubbinator]

ugh, should I get a GON, sprit, find a LZ-MX, or wait for this?

Gon or Duck (Lightsaver, Orion, etc) or Sprit PCB and Hammer case. 

[metalliqaz]

ugh, should I get a GON, sprit, find a LZ-MX, or wait for this?

Gon or Duck (Lightsaver, Orion, etc) or Sprit PCB and Hammer case.

Is there a Hammer GB going on?

[yicaoyimu]

Is there a Hammer GB going on?

No. Hammer made a case for KBT Race, but that was a long time ago and hard to find.

[Pacifist]

i need a full alum 75% case

[nubbinator]

Is there a Hammer GB going on?

No. Hammer made a case for KBT Race, but that was a long time ago and hard to find.

Some are on Taobao and they come up for sale pretty regularly.

[metalliqaz]

Regularly? 60% yes, but 75%?  I don't know about that.

[nubbinator]

Regularly? 60% yes, but 75%?  I don't know about that.

Crap, didn't see the 75% part.  I'd still say the Gon route then.

[Pacifist]

lz had a full metal LZ MX case but its impossible to find I dont want layered acrylic

[cannonking]

lz had a full metal LZ MX case but its impossible to find I dont want layered acrylic

Co-signed

[Karura]

I'm not sure if there are any other threads regarding this, but if there is still any interest in a LZ Mini MX 75%, then I'm definitely in.

It's a perfect in-between choice between the poker and TKL.

[feizor]

Nice necro, I would be interested also.

[cannonking]

Maybe something changed recently but last I heard LZ was banned for scamming a lot of people out of keysets or something like that. Another 75% custom is being planned by Duck here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=60293.0.

[bazh]

but I got tired of Duck style, it's nothing but a bigger Eagle (and a smaller LightSaver)

[Karura]

Maybe something changed recently but last I heard LZ was banned for scamming a lot of people out of keysets or something like that. Another 75% custom is being planned by Duck here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=60293.0.

That is unfortunate to hear. I would still like to get one of their keyboards.

I checked out the Duck, and unfortunately its design leaves much to be desired, since it isn't as minimalist as the LZ-MX, and has a steep angle that I don't prefer.

That said, thanks for the link. I hope we can still somehow acquire/GB these keyboards.

[yicaoyimu]

LZ team is gone. Not just away from GH, but the whole keyboard community. At least that's what I heard.

[bazh]

Damn sad to hear that, they made awesome pcb and housing tho

[kitsun8]

They went out and scammed people? that sucks considering they were doing so well for themselves with these designs...

[feizor]

They went out and scammed people? that sucks considering they were doing so well for themselves with these designs...

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was just one guy that scammed people.

[shawn24]

LZ team is gone. Not just away from GH, but the whole keyboard community. At least that's what I heard.

actually the one gone is redline team, lz is still there

[LifeZ]

Hello. GHer.

I am block to the productive activity in geekhack.

I hope the block.

thanks

[feizor]

Can we please unblock LifeZ so he can give us more lovely LZ boards?

[nubbinator]

Can we please unblock LifeZ so he can give us more lovely LZ boards?

All of Team Redline was banned from sales on here, including LifeZ and GirlDC.  I doubt you'll be able to convince the mods to unban them unless they repair the rep of their group elsewhere first.

[feizor]

Can we please unblock LifeZ so he can give us more lovely LZ boards?

All of Team Redline was banned from sales on here, including LifeZ and GirlDC.  I doubt you'll be able to convince the mods to unban them unless they repair the rep of their group elsewhere first.

Ah right, some really bad sh!t must have gone down...

[Signature]

Can we please unblock LifeZ so he can give us more lovely LZ boards?

All of Team Redline was banned from sales on here, including LifeZ and GirlDC.  I doubt you'll be able to convince the mods to unban them unless they repair the rep of their group elsewhere first.

Ah right, some really bad sh!t must have gone down...

Scammed people for 1xxxx$ in the dolch group buy

[rainb1ood]

Can we please unblock LifeZ so he can give us more lovely LZ boards?

All of Team Redline was banned from sales on here, including LifeZ and GirlDC.  I doubt you'll be able to convince the mods to unban them unless they repair the rep of their group elsewhere first.

Ah right, some really bad sh!t must have gone down...

Scammed people for 1xxxx$ in the dolch group buy

Is the thread still viewable? I want to read about it

[Signature]

Can we please unblock LifeZ so he can give us more lovely LZ boards?

All of Team Redline was banned from sales on here, including LifeZ and GirlDC.  I doubt you'll be able to convince the mods to unban them unless they repair the rep of their group elsewhere first.

Ah right, some really bad sh!t must have gone down...

Scammed people for 1xxxx$ in the dolch group buy

Is the thread still viewable? I want to read about it

Think they deleted the thread at the same time they deleted the subforum but It was not a pleasant read!

[rainb1ood]

I see, can you summarize what happened? or PM me if its still a sensitive topic

[kitsun8]

I see, can you summarize what happened? or PM me if its still a sensitive topic

I too am curious as to what they did

[feizor]

Yep team redline, scammed both GH and the Korean forums, total amount in the 6 figure ie $1xx,xxx. I didn't know that LifeZ was a part of it.

[rainb1ood]

Intentionally scammed? Its weird they brought LZ MX and other GMK stuff then scammed GH. Thats ****ed up

[ComradeSniper]

Well, my understanding is that DrugER of Team Redline was running the DSA dolch group buy and a while after collecting all the payments he ran off. At this point it was too long after payment to file a case through Paypal. Supposedly he even moved house; the people who knew him IRL said they couldn't contact or find him.

In the meantime, SP started production of the sets before receiving payment (wat) so they sold them on their site to recoup the costs.

DrugER was also trading fake clacks and I think there was reason to believe that he was producing them.

LZ and GirlDC never did anything (to my knowledge), and were banned by association.

[Elocutive]

Well, my understanding is that DrugER of Team Redline was running the DSA dolch group buy and a while after collecting all the payments he ran off. At this point it was too long after payment to file a case through Paypal. Supposedly he even moved house; the people who knew him IRL said they couldn't contact or find him.

In the meantime, SP started production of the sets before receiving payment (wat) so they sold them on their site to recoup the costs.

DrugER was also trading fake clacks and I think there was reason to believe that he was producing them.

LZ and GirlDC never did anything (to my knowledge), and were banned by association.

Then let LZ back in so I can buy their gorgeous boards again!

[feizor]

Well, my understanding is that DrugER of Team Redline was running the DSA dolch group buy and a while after collecting all the payments he ran off. At this point it was too long after payment to file a case through Paypal. Supposedly he even moved house; the people who knew him IRL said they couldn't contact or find him.

In the meantime, SP started production of the sets before receiving payment (wat) so they sold them on their site to recoup the costs.

DrugER was also trading fake clacks and I think there was reason to believe that he was producing them.

LZ and GirlDC never did anything (to my knowledge), and were banned by association.

Then let LZ back in so I can buy their gorgeous boards again!

As nubbinator said, this will be difficult to get by the mods

[DzyDzyDino]

Well, I see recent posts. So I'm going to go ahead and throw my two cents in here. My left arm for an LZ-MX Mini. Or something similar.

[taylordcraig]

I've never been burnt by LZ, I'd give it a shot.

[deci]

I wish we could get the ones with the slanted 7G style wrist rest...
I don't use my 7G anymore but I still use the wrist rest for my novatouch because the slant is so perfect.