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Offline Gondolindrim

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #100 on: Mon, 04 October 2021, 09:34:03 »
Sorry to ping this thread again about the same topic. I figured out most of the dimensions I need for the plate, but there is one left: the plate thickness. Other brass plates I have are 1.5mm, so I'm guessing that might be right, but I don't know how much room there is for error in a gasket mounted system and I don't want to order something and later find it doesn't fit! The other options I'm given (by laser boost) are 1.2mm or 3mm (which I assume is way too thick). Sendcutsend offers 1.6mm, which I'd hope is close enough to 1.5mm as to be equivalent.

I could, of course, wait for my sagittarius to arrive and measure the thickness of the plate, but if you could let me know the thickness of the one that comes with the sagittarius ahead of time it would allow me to get everything together ready for when the keyboard itself arrives :-)

Thanks for the help, sorry to have to keep banging on about the plate!

1.5 or 1.6 should both do.
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #101 on: Tue, 05 October 2021, 11:21:52 »
Has anyone considered further the possibility of a wrist rest for this board? Seems like the case shape would require something custom to really work well with it. Haven't heard of any news on this front, though.

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #102 on: Tue, 05 October 2021, 14:40:07 »
It was considered at some point, but I don't know what's the status on that
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #103 on: Mon, 11 October 2021, 14:42:12 »
I would absolutely love a wrist rest for this thing. Please make it happen.

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #104 on: Wed, 13 October 2021, 21:33:53 »
I would absolutely love a wrist rest for this thing. Please make it happen.

But who’s going to make it happen? Have the design files for the case been released? Should be helpful to any community efforts.

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #105 on: Thu, 14 October 2021, 02:59:10 »
All Ergo boards should be made with a matching wrist rest, without it the board does not feel complete.
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #106 on: Mon, 18 October 2021, 14:54:21 »
I would absolutely love a wrist rest for this thing. Please make it happen.

But who’s going to make it happen? Have the design files for the case been released? Should be helpful to any community efforts.

Either CK would have to do it, or someone who has the capacity and knowledge to do it would have to get Upas to give them the required information to make a matching one or to gather the measurements themselves once the boards start to get into people's hands.

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #107 on: Wed, 16 February 2022, 20:54:57 »
Welp. FR4 plates are hosed.

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #108 on: Fri, 18 February 2022, 18:06:05 »
Build guide is live on our site: https://docs.cannonkeys.com/sagittarius-guide/

If you have feedback, see an error, or have any questions about the guide, best way is to reach out to us is our discord: https://discord.gg/Jm3sN7N6SN
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #109 on: Fri, 18 February 2022, 22:48:15 »
Build guide is live on our site: https://docs.cannonkeys.com/sagittarius-guide/

If you have feedback, see an error, or have any questions about the guide, best way is to reach out to us is our discord: https://discord.gg/Jm3sN7N6SN

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #110 on: Sun, 20 February 2022, 00:01:57 »
Build guide is live on our site: https://docs.cannonkeys.com/sagittarius-guide/

If you have feedback, see an error, or have any questions about the guide, best way is to reach out to us is our discord: https://discord.gg/Jm3sN7N6SN

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #111 on: Sun, 20 February 2022, 00:54:57 »
Build guide is live on our site: https://docs.cannonkeys.com/sagittarius-guide/

If you have feedback, see an error, or have any questions about the guide, best way is to reach out to us is our discord: https://discord.gg/Jm3sN7N6SN

Holy crapperinos I'm so stoked
This is the most excited Ive been for a keyboard to ship in years. Can’t wait!

Hey! Me neither!
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #112 on: Sun, 20 February 2022, 21:26:13 »
Build guide is live on our site: https://docs.cannonkeys.com/sagittarius-guide/

If you have feedback, see an error, or have any questions about the guide, best way is to reach out to us is our discord: https://discord.gg/Jm3sN7N6SN

Holy crapperinos I'm so stoked
This is the most excited Ive been for a keyboard to ship in years. Can’t wait!

Hey! Me neither!
Ok fair, you win for obvious reasons :b

Out of curiosity - based on design intentions, prototyping, and your personal preferences, do you already have a plan for how you want to build the board(s) you’re receiving?

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #113 on: Sun, 20 February 2022, 21:50:13 »
Are any extras going to be available with any of the vendors?

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #114 on: Mon, 21 February 2022, 00:52:05 »
Build guide is live on our site: https://docs.cannonkeys.com/sagittarius-guide/

If you have feedback, see an error, or have any questions about the guide, best way is to reach out to us is our discord: https://discord.gg/Jm3sN7N6SN

Holy crapperinos I'm so stoked
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Hey! Me neither!
Ok fair, you win for obvious reasons :b

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The original Sagittarius -- the blue unit Taeha built -- is going to Tom's family. Couldn't be different. I'm getting the GB version, I'll build it with some Lilacs and probably a DSA Elven I have here since both me and him were huge Tolkien nerds
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #115 on: Tue, 22 February 2022, 20:54:11 »
Hello, how do I use the 4 rotary encoders on the left side?  :-X

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #116 on: Tue, 22 February 2022, 21:07:31 »
Hello, how do I use the 4 rotary encoders on the left side?  :-X

You don't -- you're supposed to use just one
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #117 on: Tue, 22 February 2022, 21:13:59 »
lol already soldered 4 >.>

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #118 on: Tue, 22 February 2022, 22:07:21 »
Hello, how do I use the 4 rotary encoders on the left side?  :-X

You don't -- you're supposed to use just one

lol already soldered 4 >.>


Ok so the stock fiwmare on Sagittarius does not support encoders, hence why yours probably won't work. I talked to Upas and we are looking into what can be done; most realistically, I will need to get my unit in hands to develop the needed firmware, which won't happen in a month or so. For now, if anyone is building their Sagi, avoid using the encoders at all.

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #119 on: Wed, 23 February 2022, 09:42:23 »
Thank you for the follow up.
I can wait for an update for the encoders.

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #120 on: Wed, 23 February 2022, 09:51:08 »
If four/multiple encoders aren’t possible, hoping we can get layer support on the encoder so we can control volume, scroll, brightness, etc. 

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #121 on: Wed, 23 February 2022, 11:10:23 »
If four/multiple encoders aren’t possible, hoping we can get layer support on the encoder so we can control volume, scroll, brightness, etc.

The stock firmware submitted does not support encoders at all, which was a miss on our part but we are looking into it.
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #122 on: Thu, 24 February 2022, 23:40:19 »
Any hope for Upas to release the dimensions so we could get wrist rests made? Sure seems like the board will be incomplete without a matching rest.
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #123 on: Fri, 04 March 2022, 11:16:45 »
The pre-flashed VIA-compatible firmware only supports 2 layers (0 and 1) - is this a memory constraint of the MCU?  Or are we able to more layers using VIA if we change the value in config.h and compile our own?

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #124 on: Fri, 04 March 2022, 11:38:23 »
The pre-flashed VIA-compatible firmware only supports 2 layers (0 and 1) - is this a memory constraint of the MCU?  Or are we able to more layers using VIA if we change the value in config.h and compile our own?

I will take a look into it, but I am almost certain that's because of the VIA and MCU constraints yes. The MCU has 64kB of flash memory which has to store both EEPROM for VIA and QMK for firmware
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #125 on: Sat, 19 March 2022, 17:49:07 »
So I've built my Sagittarius and have used it for a while, and I wanted to get folks' feedback on the layout.

If you have a Sagittarius, have you been using it regularly? What do you think of the curved/split layout? Any trouble adjusting? Does it seem more comfortable once you get used to it?

Here's my very quick take: I'm a regular user of ergo split and Alice/Arisu-style layouts, and the Sagittarius required an adjustment period of 3-4 workdays before I kind of got accustomed to it. I still don't type as quickly and as error-free on it as on other splits after a week and half of use, but I'm getting better. There does seem to be a lot of finger movement required compared to other layouts, but there's also something kind of intertesting and almost addictive about using this layout that appeals to me. Which is why I'm curious what other folks are finding as they use it. :)


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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #126 on: Tue, 22 March 2022, 23:54:54 »
I've been using my Sagittarius for about 3 days now. I'd been using an Alice/Arisu style keyboard for the past couple of months; before that, a standard keyboard for many, many years.

I found it really comfortable to use immediately. Apart from some of the modifiers that are in different positions to my previous keyboard, it's taken minimal adjustment to get used to it.

The biggest surprise for me was the weight! I didn't really realise how much I moved my keyboard around during the day until I got the Sagittarius :-)

I'd agree, it does feel somewhat addictive to use and I'm really enjoying it.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do when (if!) I go back to the office, I'm not going to carry this one back and forward.

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #127 on: Tue, 29 March 2022, 01:21:02 »
So I've built my Sagittarius and have used it for a while, and I wanted to get folks' feedback on the layout.

If you have a Sagittarius, have you been using it regularly? What do you think of the curved/split layout? Any trouble adjusting? Does it seem more comfortable once you get used to it?

I've been using mine since the second it showed up.  I originally got into mk for ergo reasons, but after a couple years of DIY splits, I just fell in love with the more traditional customs.  I have some RSSI issues since I've used a keyboard for work for a couple decades now, and I get around it by rotating keyboards frequently throughout the week. 

All of that just to provide some context on my opinions here, but I love this layout.  I think if you don't know how to touch type in the traditional sense that it would be difficult to use at first, and hopefully would encourage someone to learn.  I find that it's definitely different than an Alice layout, and requires some more hand movement, most noticably for me is reaching N and B keys.  I've optimized my layouts over the years to require less frequent movement away from the home row for the things I normally do (VIM-style arrow key mappings and mod tap ctrl/backspace where caps lock is are probably most relevant here) so I don't have any issue reaching those keys.  I find the layout comfortable and have been using it for a couple weeks straight without fatigue issues.

All in all, I think there's a lot of innovation in this layout.  I'll always love the traditional layouts, but I really appreciate seeing a more ergo-focused custom that looks great, feels good, and doesn't force an ortholinear or sub-60% layout.  For folks who can't touch type via the home row, I think it might be tough getting used to using this but all the more reason to learn imo.

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #128 on: Mon, 11 April 2022, 14:55:49 »
I just wanted to ask if anyone would like to sell me their Sagittarius?  I made a mistake when I missed out on this and would like to buy if possible.

FYI - extras are live on cannonkeys right now.

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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #129 on: Wed, 27 April 2022, 14:15:05 »
The pre-flashed VIA-compatible firmware only supports 2 layers (0 and 1) - is this a memory constraint of the MCU?  Or are we able to more layers using VIA if we change the value in config.h and compile our own?

I will take a look into it, but I am almost certain that's because of the VIA and MCU constraints yes. The MCU has 64kB of flash memory which has to store both EEPROM for VIA and QMK for firmware

I'm a bit new with this kind of thing, but do you think it'd be possible to flash it with only QMK to unlock the space for another layer or two

and if so, would you be kind enough to point me in the direction of how to go around doing something like that?

Thanks!

Got one of the extras the day they dropped and this board has not left my desk since it got here. I've never felt so comfortable typing for long periods of time, and would love to have a gaming specific layer built into this along with a function layer (and programming the constellation led's for everything) :D
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #130 on: Wed, 27 April 2022, 15:07:21 »
The pre-flashed VIA-compatible firmware only supports 2 layers (0 and 1) - is this a memory constraint of the MCU?  Or are we able to more layers using VIA if we change the value in config.h and compile our own?

I will take a look into it, but I am almost certain that's because of the VIA and MCU constraints yes. The MCU has 64kB of flash memory which has to store both EEPROM for VIA and QMK for firmware

I'm a bit new with this kind of thing, but do you think it'd be possible to flash it with only QMK to unlock the space for another layer or two

and if so, would you be kind enough to point me in the direction of how to go around doing something like that?

Thanks!

Got one of the extras the day they dropped and this board has not left my desk since it got here. I've never felt so comfortable typing for long periods of time, and would love to have a gaming specific layer built into this along with a function layer (and programming the constellation led's for everything) :D

If you use "pure" QMK then yes, that should free up enough flash for extra layers. I can takr a look into that later, but right now I'm concentrated into making the multiple encoders work
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #131 on: Sun, 08 May 2022, 06:40:12 »
Very happy to have picked up one of these in the extras sale. Looking forward to building it.
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Re: [GB] Sagittarius optimized ergo
« Reply #132 on: Wed, 18 May 2022, 08:42:29 »
If four/multiple encoders aren’t possible, hoping we can get layer support on the encoder so we can control volume, scroll, brightness, etc.

The stock firmware submitted does not support encoders at all, which was a miss on our part but we are looking into it.

Hey, just wondering if you made any progress on encoder support. I'm building QMK from source, so not worried about VIA compatibility, and I've tried following QMK's instructions here to add support to my layout but I've got stuck with the values for ENCODERS_PAD_A and ENCODERS_PAD_B since I don't know which pins the encoders are routed to. I tried a few random combinations but there are quite a lot of permutations and I gave up in the end  ;)

Is it as simple as finding out the correct values for these macros and plugging them in, or is there more work that needs to go into adding support to the firmware?

Thanks!

PS: I'm not trying multiple encoders or anything fancy like that, either -- just a single encoder in the very top-left socket. Should that be a relatively easy thing to do if I knew the right pad values?

EDIT: Sorry, I missed your post from April 27 saying you were still looking at it when I posted this. Follow-up question, though, since you mention multiple encoders: should it be relatively easy with a single encoder?
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