If I started my mech adventure knowing that Topre is my destiny, imagine the amount of dollars I would have saved.
Has there been anyone who bought a HHKB 2 and dislike and shelfed it? It's beginning to grow on me after 2 months and I'm already wondering what I'm going to do with all those MX boards I have.
If I started my mech adventure knowing that Topre is my destiny, imagine the amount of dollars I would have saved.
Thus, I'm curious as to the percentage of people who ended up hating or disliking it. We have many Topre and HHKB love threads. Is there one who dislike it and this let is hear your voice.
And if you are thinking of buying a mech and if you knew that Topre is the end game for many and no one ever regret it, then it's a no brainier for new member to jump directly to HHKB, isn't it? Yeah, it's more expensive but so is owning multiple Cherry variants.
QuoteIf I started my mech adventure knowing that Topre is my destiny, imagine the amount of dollars I would have saved.
don't think of it that way! it was a great journey that brought you to the one true switch and layout.
all hail topre!
QuoteIf I started my mech adventure knowing that Topre is my destiny, imagine the amount of dollars I would have saved.
don't think of it that way! it was a great journey that brought you to the one true switch and layout.
all hail topre!
All the MX money I saved would have let me buy a Type-S! And Topre Clacks!
I'm trying to give people the shortcut to end game!!
noppo capacitive feel topre with MX keycap
alps matias?
There you go (http://deskthority.net/news-reviews-f4/noppoo-tease-a-very-familiar-capacitive-switch-design-t6741.html?hilit=Noppoo) :))noppo capacitive feel topre with MX keycap
alps matias?
wut?
layout looks lame
no ctrls
QuoteIf I started my mech adventure knowing that Topre is my destiny, imagine the amount of dollars I would have saved.
don't think of it that way! it was a great journey that brought you to the one true switch and layout.
all hail topre!
All the MX money I saved would have let me buy a Type-S! And Topre Clacks!
I'm trying to give people the shortcut to end game!!
You are smart!!!!
Yep! HHKB Pro 2 was my 2nd mech. Smartest decision ever! So much $ for clacks and the good stuff. ;)
any lovers any haters balanced :pMore love than hate, the way it goes now. Will all the haters, please stand up!
You are smart!!!!
And not only that, your significant others would never suspect a thing, unlike some of us who gets a lot of evil eye for having stacks of keyboards!
You are smart!!!!
Yep! HHKB Pro 2 was my 2nd mech. Smartest decision ever! So much $ for clacks and the good stuff. ;)
And not only that, your significant others would never suspect a thing, unlike some of us who gets a lot of evil eye for having stacks of keyboards!
I nearly wasn't going to get mine - $180 on eBay, I was surprised that no-one bid on it for so long.
Then I did, and won it.
Been loving it ever since, and I still like greens, blacks and buckling spring occasionally.
But I do keep coming back to the HHKB.
I suppose ideally I'd like a RealForce 87 something at work, and the HHKB at home.
I've gone through a few cherry mx boards already and still looking for that perfect switch. even though overall i've probably spent more than $300 on keyboards so far, I can't justify purchasing an HHKB or a topre unless i can try them out and know they will be my endgame keyboard.That's the whole point of this thread. If 9/10 people who had a HHKB loves it, you can be sure you will love it. So why waste money on MX boards???
i love the clack sound of a key bottoming, so here's to hoping my incoming ergo clear board will be the end.
I sent things to my office. She doesn't have to know!You are smart!!!!
And not only that, your significant others would never suspect a thing, unlike some of us who gets a lot of evil eye for having stacks of keyboards!
"soooo tell me why you need more than one keyboard? how much did those caps cost? your getting MORE caps in the mail!? this is getting out of hand"
i recently started grabbing the mail before she gets home, things have been... calmer
I'm selling mine, but only because I gots 2 Realforce 55gs that I like betterHow could you betray the HHKB
QuoteIf I started my mech adventure knowing that Topre is my destiny, imagine the amount of dollars I would have saved.
don't think of it that way! it was a great journey that brought you to the one true switch and layout.
all hail topre!
All the MX money I saved would have let me buy a Type-S! And Topre Clacks!
I'm trying to give people the shortcut to end game!!
More love than hate, the way it goes now. Will all the haters, please stand up!
The only thing I hate about this thing is where "˛" is positioned (but of course, none of you care about that now do you?!) and the fact that it cost me 450$ to get it (cheapest I could find).
Not to mention that now that I have it I just feel the NEED to have one more for work...
As for the switches, I wouldn't really say they are better than Cherry blue for example, but I wouldn't say they are worse. Both are great in their own way.
I honestly don't understand what's all this talk about topre switches being superior. They're neither worse nor better than MX Blue for example, just different in my opinion.But you paid $450 for one and you are needing another one. Isn't that already implicitly implied that it is superior to MX? Would you pay $450 for a MX board?
Also, PBT vs POM? Both are awesome. No idea where this PBT supremacy is coming from, I find POM really great to type on.
All important books and documents should be re typed using HHKBs to make them more important.you should call eiti wada seems
The only thing I hate about this thing is where "˛" is positioned (but of course, none of you care about that now do you?!) and the fact that it cost me 450$ to get it (cheapest I could find).
Not to mention that now that I have it I just feel the NEED to have one more for work...
As for the switches, I wouldn't really say they are better than Cherry blue for example, but I wouldn't say they are worse. Both are great in their own way.I honestly don't understand what's all this talk about topre switches being superior. They're neither worse nor better than MX Blue for example, just different in my opinion.But you paid $450 for one and you are needing another one. Isn't that already implicitly implied that it is superior to MX? Would you pay $450 for a MX board?
Also, PBT vs POM? Both are awesome. No idea where this PBT supremacy is coming from, I find POM really great to type on.
alright so I've got my HHKB plugged in right now
still don't like it
back in the box with you
You can look up porn with your hhkb
You can look up porn with your hhkb
checkmate
I'm converting
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should i get hhkb pro jp from jwaz's proxy for $300 or wait for CM topre? Or stay on the path of MX and buy a raindrop set? Choices choices choices
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should i get hhkb pro jp from jwaz's proxy for $300 or wait for CM topre? Or stay on the path of MX and buy a raindrop set? Choices choices choices
So you are going to cancel?
meh, i don't think i would love it THAT much to be satisfied with it as my only keyboard. i like blue switches as well, which the HHKB doesn't really fulfill in terms of tactility/clicks.I've gone through a few cherry mx boards already and still looking for that perfect switch. even though overall i've probably spent more than $300 on keyboards so far, I can't justify purchasing an HHKB or a topre unless i can try them out and know they will be my endgame keyboard.That's the whole point of this thread. If 9/10 people who had a HHKB loves it, you can be sure you will love it. So why waste money on MX boards???
i love the clack sound of a key bottoming, so here's to hoping my incoming ergo clear board will be the end.
So does anyone actually HATE their HHKB?
Or just think that it is kinda meh. Or "just another keyboard"?
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should i get hhkb pro jp from jwaz's proxy for $300 or wait for CM topre? Or stay on the path of MX and buy a raindrop set? Choices choices choices
So you are going to cancel?
I am perfectly allowed to cancel. Saying I will buy something then cancelling it is perfectly okay because my statement saying I will buy it is not legally binding.
And to answer your question I don't know if I will cancel yet
It's funny. HHKB hate thread gets no hate.
HHKB love thread gets all hate.****tttttt
should i get hhkb pro jp from jwaz's proxy for $300 or wait for CM topre? Or stay on the path of MX and buy a raindrop set? Choices choices choices
So you are going to cancel?
I am perfectly allowed to cancel. Saying I will buy something then cancelling it is perfectly okay because my statement saying I will buy it is not legally binding.
And to answer your question I don't know if I will cancel yet
Then we're perfectly ok to make fun of you for being a perfectly impetuous brat. Besides, isn't $300 more than your allowance?
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should i get hhkb pro jp from jwaz's proxy for $300 or wait for CM topre? Or stay on the path of MX and buy a raindrop set? Choices choices choices
So you are going to cancel?
I am perfectly allowed to cancel. Saying I will buy something then cancelling it is perfectly okay because my statement saying I will buy it is not legally binding.
And to answer your question I don't know if I will cancel yet
It's funny. HHKB hate thread gets no hate.
HHKB love thread gets all hate.****tttttt
should i get hhkb pro jp from jwaz's proxy for $300 or wait for CM topre? Or stay on the path of MX and buy a raindrop set? Choices choices choices
So you are going to cancel?
I am perfectly allowed to cancel. Saying I will buy something then cancelling it is perfectly okay because my statement saying I will buy it is not legally binding.
And to answer your question I don't know if I will cancel yet
Then we're perfectly ok to make fun of you for being a perfectly impetuous brat. Besides, isn't $300 more than your allowance?
Legally speaking, yes you can make fun of me. But personal attacks are against the rules for the forums, so on geekhack you can't.
And like I said before, I have no allowance. I earn all my money myself through classifieds trades and other sources
That's a terrible reputation to make for yourself Pacifist...just saying.
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should i get hhkb pro jp from jwaz's proxy for $300 or wait for CM topre? Or stay on the path of MX and buy a raindrop set? Choices choices choices
So you are going to cancel?
I am perfectly allowed to cancel. Saying I will buy something then cancelling it is perfectly okay because my statement saying I will buy it is not legally binding.
And to answer your question I don't know if I will cancel yet
That actually isn't correct. If you actually agree to buying it (which you've now said you did in another post) you have a legal binding agreement..now whether or not they'd be willing to pursue that (I doubt) is another issue.
Not sure where people get the impression they can commit to buying and then back out like it is nothing...but you see it a lot on GH..
This is HHKB hate (if such a thing exists) thread.
Perhaps someone should start a Pacifist Hate thread in Off Topic, if they really want to continue this?
Because it's easier to move on than press the issue over keyboard stuff, which in the end, are minor things.
Because it's easier to move on than press the issue over keyboard stuff, which in the end, are minor things.
Right. I know why people don't pursue it. It just isn't worth the time and effort to try to enforce something like that...
But when someone says there isn't some legal commitment in their defense of backing out of a deal....that is just absolutely wrong. Obviously this only applies to certain countries..
Because it's easier to move on than press the issue over keyboard stuff, which in the end, are minor things.
Right. I know why people don't pursue it. It just isn't worth the time and effort to try to enforce something like that...
But when someone says there isn't some legal commitment in their defense of backing out of a deal....that is just absolutely wrong. Obviously this only applies to certain countries..
Because it's easier to move on than press the issue over keyboard stuff, which in the end, are minor things.
Right. I know why people don't pursue it. It just isn't worth the time and effort to try to enforce something like that...
But when someone says there isn't some legal commitment in their defense of backing out of a deal....that is just absolutely wrong. Obviously this only applies to certain countries..
i see
the reason why i had to cancel was because in the first place, I made half assed posts saying I want the item to reserve it.
Why did i do that? Other people were doing it, and I got screwed over by that. For example, the reason why you all call me the canceller is because I reordered a bid on a julysicle that was cancelled previously after seeing signature cancel his own order. If signature and everybody else on GH kept their word, then I wouldn't have to cancel. Another reason why I cancel is because I used to just say can you reserve this for me. nobody accepts Reservations as genuine offers esp when someone else trys to buy it the next day. When i was trying to get a numpad, I told john to reserve it, but he just sold it to a different person the next day even though I told him that i reserved it. And then other people told me that I can just do a order but then cancel it if I don't want it. So that's what I did.
So the whole reason why I cancel **** is because other people cancel too. If nobody in GH cancelled their orders, then everything would be fine and dandy. But people still cancel their orders, and it has gone to the point that it is acceptable to cancel and thus I do.
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Er, I hate mine because there is only one Clack on it?
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And while you are at it, please get the Type-S. I wish I was wiser!!!
I started getting into mechanical keyboards in the summer of 2009 when I bought my first legit keyboard, the HHKB Pro 2. White/gray no legends. (Before the "silent" models existed which I think are over priced for what it is) It was and still is, the most minimalistic and chic keyboard money can buy. I used it for about one month before curiosity got the best of me and I ordered a first gen Filco Majestouch ten keyless with MX Blues, again, with blank keys, 'twas called the Otaku version from EK.
At that time in GH, group buys started up, keycap orders from SP, etc. I then started to find much more functionality in the MX keyboards as the switches are easily replaced and there are different keycap options as most are cheap and readily available. A Filco ten-keyless board also have a quick and easy to find arrow cluster, a function row, and a familiar layout. After loving the MX blues, I wanted to try browns, (they were becoming a fad then, everyone wanted brown switch boards) So for 7bit's group buy number 3 from SP, I ordered an MX Brown filco ten-keyless, matched all my function keys with keycaps that had legends that correspond to custom shortcuts/macros in OSX.
Long story short, I have a HHKB pro 2 in the closet, and two filco ten-keyless boards in my recording studio setup even though I bought the HHKBP2 first. I enjoy having multiple keyboards, for multiple uses.
I'd recommend newcomers get about 2-4 boards with different features to quench your keyboard thirst and find out what you like.
Er, I hate mine because there is only one Clack on it?
pls
Why would a type s be better than pro series? I don't get it, it's already silent as-is, coming off from mx blues. Why would I want it to be even more silent :(
Has there been anyone who bought a HHKB 2 and dislike and shelfed it? It's beginning to grow on me after 2 months and I'm already wondering what I'm going to do with all those MX boards I have.
If I started my mech adventure knowing that Topre is my destiny, imagine the amount of dollars I would have saved.
Thus, I'm curious as to the percentage of people who ended up hating or disliking it. We have many Topre and HHKB love threads. Is there one who dislike it and this let is hear your voice.
And if you are thinking of buying a mech and if you knew that Topre is the end game for many and no one ever regret it, then it's a no brainier for new member to jump directly to HHKB, isn't it? Yeah, it's more expensive but so is owning multiple Cherry variants.
+1 ^. I've been saying this for like a year or more. HHKB Pro 2. Hmm, maybe the name is the problem. What if it was called the HHKB Newb 1?
Why would a type s be better than pro series? I don't get it, it's already silent as-is, coming off from mx blues. Why would I want it to be even more silent :(
Coming from any other MX switch, it's about even.
which is technically loud.
Why would a type s be better than pro series? I don't get it, it's already silent as-is, coming off from mx blues. Why would I want it to be even more silent :(
Coming from any other MX switch, it's about even.
which is technically loud.
No way that topre switches are as loud as blue...
That's not what he's saying. He's saying that topres are as loud as any non-clicky MX switch -- e.g. reds, blacks, browns, clears
I haven't owned one.
I just hated it for its hefty price tag. But I guess that's what status symbols are for. It's just some god damn rubber domes with springs beneath it. I'm really curious on why it reaches that certain price. Also, if you have a huge collection of keycaps for MX switches - it gives you the hassle to customize or buy other key caps just to put some bling on your topre keyboard.
Other than that - I just love its aesthetics :thumb:
I just wish that there's a keyboard with cherry switches that has this kind of layout. I'll definitely buy one.
Woah. I think you're right. I did a quick search and resulted into this: http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=4&document_srl=5441326 (http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=4&document_srl=5441326) and a thread from here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.0).MoreI haven't owned one.
I just hated it for its hefty price tag. But I guess that's what status symbols are for. It's just some god damn rubber domes with springs beneath it. I'm really curious on why it reaches that certain price. Also, if you have a huge collection of keycaps for MX switches - it gives you the hassle to customize or buy other key caps just to put some bling on your topre keyboard.
Other than that - I just love its aesthetics :thumb:
I just wish that there's a keyboard with cherry switches that has this kind of layout. I'll definitely buy one.
There are but they cost even more...
I haven't owned one.
I just hated it for its hefty price tag. But I guess that's what status symbols are for. It's just some god damn rubber domes with springs beneath it. I'm really curious on why it reaches that certain price. Also, if you have a huge collection of keycaps for MX switches - it gives you the hassle to customize or buy other key caps just to put some bling on your topre keyboard.
Other than that - I just love its aesthetics :thumb:
I just wish that there's a keyboard with cherry switches that has this kind of layout. I'll definitely buy one.
I haven't owned one.
I just hated it for its hefty price tag. But I guess that's what status symbols are for. It's just some god damn rubber domes with springs beneath it. I'm really curious on why it reaches that certain price. Also, if you have a huge collection of keycaps for MX switches - it gives you the hassle to customize or buy other key caps just to put some bling on your topre keyboard.
Other than that - I just love its aesthetics :thumb:
I just wish that there's a keyboard with cherry switches that has this kind of layout. I'll definitely buy one.
I know you are new to GH, but really, you should try to understand Topre switches before commenting negatively on them. I don't mean any disrespect to you. But, I would be doing you a disservice if I didn't point your fundamental misunderstanding of Topre switches.
[I've given this answer before, but since you've obviously never seen it before, I'll cut and paste it here:]
Topre switches are not rubber dome switches. They are instead electrostatic capacitance switches, which is a superior technology to rubber domes. Rubber domes use physical contact to make an electrical contact. An electrostatic capacitive switch does not use physical contact of metal parts to make the electrical connection, instead the electrical connection is made by capacitance. Capacitance is the ability of a system to store an electric charge.
Topre capacitive switches do not physically complete an electric circuit like most other keyboard technologies, including rubber domes and Cherry MX switches. Instead, electric current constantly flows through all parts of the key matrix. Each key is spring-loaded and has a tiny plate attached to the bottom of it. When you press a key, you do the work of moving the tiny top plate closer to the larger plate below it. As the gap between the two plates decreases, the capacitance increases, and the amount of current flowing through the matrix changes. The micro-processor in the keyboard detects the change in voltage and interprets it as a key press for that location.
Because there is no physical contact, capacitive switch keyboards have a longer life than any other mechanical keyboard. Also, capacitive switch keyboards do not have problems with signal bounce since the two surfaces never come into physical contact. Signal bounce is a real problem if you want an electronic circuit with fast response time. Signal bounce (or “contact bounce”) can produce very noticeable and undesired effects.
I haven't owned one.
I just hated it for its hefty price tag. But I guess that's what status symbols are for. It's just some god damn rubber domes with springs beneath it. I'm really curious on why it reaches that certain price. Also, if you have a huge collection of keycaps for MX switches - it gives you the hassle to customize or buy other key caps just to put some bling on your topre keyboard.
Other than that - I just love its aesthetics :thumb:
I just wish that there's a keyboard with cherry switches that has this kind of layout. I'll definitely buy one.
I know you are new to GH, but really, you should try to understand Topre switches before commenting negatively on them. I don't mean any disrespect to you. But, I would be doing you a disservice if I didn't point your fundamental misunderstanding of Topre switches.
[I've given this answer before, but since you've obviously never seen it before, I'll cut and paste it here:]
Topre switches are not rubber dome switches. They are instead electrostatic capacitance switches, which is a superior technology to rubber domes. Rubber domes use physical contact to make an electrical contact. An electrostatic capacitive switch does not use physical contact of metal parts to make the electrical connection, instead the electrical connection is made by capacitance. Capacitance is the ability of a system to store an electric charge.
Topre capacitive switches do not physically complete an electric circuit like most other keyboard technologies, including rubber domes and Cherry MX switches. Instead, electric current constantly flows through all parts of the key matrix. Each key is spring-loaded and has a tiny plate attached to the bottom of it. When you press a key, you do the work of moving the tiny top plate closer to the larger plate below it. As the gap between the two plates decreases, the capacitance increases, and the amount of current flowing through the matrix changes. The micro-processor in the keyboard detects the change in voltage and interprets it as a key press for that location.
Because there is no physical contact, capacitive switch keyboards have a longer life than any other mechanical keyboard. Also, capacitive switch keyboards do not have problems with signal bounce since the two surfaces never come into physical contact. Signal bounce is a real problem if you want an electronic circuit with fast response time. Signal bounce (or “contact bounce”) can produce very noticeable and undesired effects.
I haven't owned one.
I just hated it for its hefty price tag. But I guess that's what status symbols are for. It's just some god damn rubber domes with springs beneath it. I'm really curious on why it reaches that certain price. Also, if you have a huge collection of keycaps for MX switches - it gives you the hassle to customize or buy other key caps just to put some bling on your topre keyboard.
Other than that - I just love its aesthetics :thumb:
I just wish that there's a keyboard with cherry switches that has this kind of layout. I'll definitely buy one.
I know you are new to GH, but really, you should try to understand Topre switches before commenting negatively on them. I don't mean any disrespect to you. But, I would be doing you a disservice if I didn't point your fundamental misunderstanding of Topre switches.
[I've given this answer before, but since you've obviously never seen it before, I'll cut and paste it here:]
Topre switches are not rubber dome switches. They are instead electrostatic capacitance switches, which is a superior technology to rubber domes. Rubber domes use physical contact to make an electrical contact. An electrostatic capacitive switch does not use physical contact of metal parts to make the electrical connection, instead the electrical connection is made by capacitance. Capacitance is the ability of a system to store an electric charge.
Topre capacitive switches do not physically complete an electric circuit like most other keyboard technologies, including rubber domes and Cherry MX switches. Instead, electric current constantly flows through all parts of the key matrix. Each key is spring-loaded and has a tiny plate attached to the bottom of it. When you press a key, you do the work of moving the tiny top plate closer to the larger plate below it. As the gap between the two plates decreases, the capacitance increases, and the amount of current flowing through the matrix changes. The micro-processor in the keyboard detects the change in voltage and interprets it as a key press for that location.
Because there is no physical contact, capacitive switch keyboards have a longer life than any other mechanical keyboard. Also, capacitive switch keyboards do not have problems with signal bounce since the two surfaces never come into physical contact. Signal bounce is a real problem if you want an electronic circuit with fast response time. Signal bounce (or “contact bounce”) can produce very noticeable and undesired effects.
do you know where the actuation point is and if u can change it?
I haven't owned one.
I just hated it for its hefty price tag. But I guess that's what status symbols are for. It's just some god damn rubber domes with springs beneath it. I'm really curious on why it reaches that certain price. Also, if you have a huge collection of keycaps for MX switches - it gives you the hassle to customize or buy other key caps just to put some bling on your topre keyboard.
Other than that - I just love its aesthetics :thumb:
I just wish that there's a keyboard with cherry switches that has this kind of layout. I'll definitely buy one.
I know you are new to GH, but really, you should try to understand Topre switches before commenting negatively on them. I don't mean any disrespect to you. But, I would be doing you a disservice if I didn't point your fundamental misunderstanding of Topre switches.
[I've given this answer before, but since you've obviously never seen it before, I'll cut and paste it here:]
Topre switches are not rubber dome switches. They are instead electrostatic capacitance switches, which is a superior technology to rubber domes. Rubber domes use physical contact to make an electrical contact. An electrostatic capacitive switch does not use physical contact of metal parts to make the electrical connection, instead the electrical connection is made by capacitance. Capacitance is the ability of a system to store an electric charge.
Topre capacitive switches do not physically complete an electric circuit like most other keyboard technologies, including rubber domes and Cherry MX switches. Instead, electric current constantly flows through all parts of the key matrix. Each key is spring-loaded and has a tiny plate attached to the bottom of it. When you press a key, you do the work of moving the tiny top plate closer to the larger plate below it. As the gap between the two plates decreases, the capacitance increases, and the amount of current flowing through the matrix changes. The micro-processor in the keyboard detects the change in voltage and interprets it as a key press for that location.
Because there is no physical contact, capacitive switch keyboards have a longer life than any other mechanical keyboard. Also, capacitive switch keyboards do not have problems with signal bounce since the two surfaces never come into physical contact. Signal bounce is a real problem if you want an electronic circuit with fast response time. Signal bounce (or “contact bounce”) can produce very noticeable and undesired effects.
do you know where the actuation point is and if u can change it?
Why would you want to change the actuation point? Topre has 4mm travel distance. What are you trying to accomplish? You will bottom out each keystroke regardless of where the actuation point is since you cannot feel it. This makes no sense.
But I guess, if you are asking a theoretical question to increase your knowledge of keyboards, well then, yes, you theoretically could change the actuation point by changing the sensitivity of the capacitive matrix. I do not have the level of progamming skill to do this, but somebody on GH probably does. However, the engineers at Topre have probably already set the actuation point as high on the keystroke as they can, without causing errors. The lighter you make the keystroke, the more chance you have for not only typing errors, but also matrix errors as well, since minute changes in voltage will cause key actuation. I would not attempt to mess with their matrix. But if you want to, I guess you are free to experiment with it, and let us know your results.
Thank you for your detailed reply. As I have said earlier - I haven't tried one - so I don't know what the hype is :))MoreI haven't owned one.
I just hated it for its hefty price tag. But I guess that's what status symbols are for. It's just some god damn rubber domes with springs beneath it. I'm really curious on why it reaches that certain price. Also, if you have a huge collection of keycaps for MX switches - it gives you the hassle to customize or buy other key caps just to put some bling on your topre keyboard.
Other than that - I just love its aesthetics :thumb:
I just wish that there's a keyboard with cherry switches that has this kind of layout. I'll definitely buy one.
I know you are new to GH, but really, you should try to understand Topre switches before commenting negatively on them. I don't mean any disrespect to you. But, I would be doing you a disservice if I didn't point your fundamental misunderstanding of Topre switches.
[I've given this answer before, but since you've obviously never seen it before, I'll cut and paste it here:]
Topre switches are not rubber dome switches. They are instead electrostatic capacitance switches, which is a superior technology to rubber domes. Rubber domes use physical contact to make an electrical contact. An electrostatic capacitive switch does not use physical contact of metal parts to make the electrical connection, instead the electrical connection is made by capacitance. Capacitance is the ability of a system to store an electric charge.
Topre capacitive switches do not physically complete an electric circuit like most other keyboard technologies, including rubber domes and Cherry MX switches. Instead, electric current constantly flows through all parts of the key matrix. Each key is spring-loaded and has a tiny plate attached to the bottom of it. When you press a key, you do the work of moving the tiny top plate closer to the larger plate below it. As the gap between the two plates decreases, the capacitance increases, and the amount of current flowing through the matrix changes. The micro-processor in the keyboard detects the change in voltage and interprets it as a key press for that location.
Because there is no physical contact, capacitive switch keyboards have a longer life than any other mechanical keyboard. Also, capacitive switch keyboards do not have problems with signal bounce since the two surfaces never come into physical contact. Signal bounce is a real problem if you want an electronic circuit with fast response time. Signal bounce (or “contact bounce”) can produce very noticeable and undesired effects.
You really should try the HHKB and stop wasting money on other Cherry boards - which is the whole point of this thread!I thought the whole point of this thread is to hate HHKB - as indicated in the title :D
You really should try the HHKB and stop wasting money on other Cherry boards - which is the whole point of this thread!I thought the whole point of this thread is to hate HHKB - as indicated in the title :D
I have not seen any real hate of the HHKB.
Now that makes sense now. Thanks ;)[/more]MoreYou really should try the HHKB and stop wasting money on other Cherry boards - which is the whole point of this thread!I thought the whole point of this thread is to hate HHKB - as indicated in the title :D
They hate that they spent so much before being enlightened.
Wow, that's some superb knowledge on Topre there ethos. But it will be a waste hidden in this 'Hate' thread. Maybe it should go to the HHKB Pro 2 Love thread! It deserved to be there, sir.
I have not seen any real hate of the HHKB.
Just topre hate in general, usually out of ignorance and/or misinformation.
MoreI haven't owned one.
I just hated it for its hefty price tag. But I guess that's what status symbols are for. It's just some god damn rubber domes with springs beneath it. I'm really curious on why it reaches that certain price. Also, if you have a huge collection of keycaps for MX switches - it gives you the hassle to customize or buy other key caps just to put some bling on your topre keyboard.
Other than that - I just love its aesthetics :thumb:
I just wish that there's a keyboard with cherry switches that has this kind of layout. I'll definitely buy one.
I know you are new to GH, but really, you should try to understand Topre switches before commenting negatively on them. I don't mean any disrespect to you. But, I would be doing you a disservice if I didn't point your fundamental misunderstanding of Topre switches.
[I've given this answer before, but since you've obviously never seen it before, I'll cut and paste it here:]
Topre switches are not rubber dome switches. They are instead electrostatic capacitance switches, which is a superior technology to rubber domes. Rubber domes use physical contact to make an electrical contact. An electrostatic capacitive switch does not use physical contact of metal parts to make the electrical connection, instead the electrical connection is made by capacitance. Capacitance is the ability of a system to store an electric charge.
Topre capacitive switches do not physically complete an electric circuit like most other keyboard technologies, including rubber domes and Cherry MX switches. Instead, electric current constantly flows through all parts of the key matrix. Each key is spring-loaded and has a tiny plate attached to the bottom of it. When you press a key, you do the work of moving the tiny top plate closer to the larger plate below it. As the gap between the two plates decreases, the capacitance increases, and the amount of current flowing through the matrix changes. The micro-processor in the keyboard detects the change in voltage and interprets it as a key press for that location.
Because there is no physical contact, capacitive switch keyboards have a longer life than any other mechanical keyboard. Also, capacitive switch keyboards do not have problems with signal bounce since the two surfaces never come into physical contact. Signal bounce is a real problem if you want an electronic circuit with fast response time. Signal bounce (or “contact bounce”) can produce very noticeable and undesired effects.
MoreI haven't owned one.
I just hated it for its hefty price tag. But I guess that's what status symbols are for. It's just some god damn rubber domes with springs beneath it. I'm really curious on why it reaches that certain price. Also, if you have a huge collection of keycaps for MX switches - it gives you the hassle to customize or buy other key caps just to put some bling on your topre keyboard.
Other than that - I just love its aesthetics :thumb:
I just wish that there's a keyboard with cherry switches that has this kind of layout. I'll definitely buy one.
I know you are new to GH, but really, you should try to understand Topre switches before commenting negatively on them. I don't mean any disrespect to you. But, I would be doing you a disservice if I didn't point your fundamental misunderstanding of Topre switches.
[I've given this answer before, but since you've obviously never seen it before, I'll cut and paste it here:]
Topre switches are not rubber dome switches. They are instead electrostatic capacitance switches, which is a superior technology to rubber domes. Rubber domes use physical contact to make an electrical contact. An electrostatic capacitive switch does not use physical contact of metal parts to make the electrical connection, instead the electrical connection is made by capacitance. Capacitance is the ability of a system to store an electric charge.
Topre capacitive switches do not physically complete an electric circuit like most other keyboard technologies, including rubber domes and Cherry MX switches. Instead, electric current constantly flows through all parts of the key matrix. Each key is spring-loaded and has a tiny plate attached to the bottom of it. When you press a key, you do the work of moving the tiny top plate closer to the larger plate below it. As the gap between the two plates decreases, the capacitance increases, and the amount of current flowing through the matrix changes. The micro-processor in the keyboard detects the change in voltage and interprets it as a key press for that location.
Because there is no physical contact, capacitive switch keyboards have a longer life than any other mechanical keyboard. Also, capacitive switch keyboards do not have problems with signal bounce since the two surfaces never come into physical contact. Signal bounce is a real problem if you want an electronic circuit with fast response time. Signal bounce (or “contact bounce”) can produce very noticeable and undesired effects.
Just a few technical points I'd like to correct.
1. Topre switches ARE rubber dome switches (since they do in fact use rubber domes), but feel and behave very differently from keyboards which have been labeled "rubber dome" keyboards due to the design of the domes, the additional springs and the higher actuation point. Not to mention the better design and build of the case.
2. I believe hall effect switches will last longer than Topres since the they only have springs and Topre rubber domes will age.
Otherwise, great post! Nice to see the technical aspects explained clearly.
Personally I like the adjustability of MX switches, the fact you can replace and mod so many parts, etc. Lots of keycap choices, too.
In my mech keyboard journey so far I have come to the point of fine tuning my MX preferences to trampoline and latex modded, lubed and stickered 62g ErgoClears which may in fact feel and sound a lot like silenced Topres....
I have only tried a RealForce 55g in the store and didn't like it at the time. Perhaps I should try to find a friend with an HHKB to test. I wonder how the new CoolerMaster board with MX stems will feel?
Umm, it's cup rubber.MoreI haven't owned one.
I just hated it for its hefty price tag. But I guess that's what status symbols are for. It's just some god damn rubber domes with springs beneath it. I'm really curious on why it reaches that certain price. Also, if you have a huge collection of keycaps for MX switches - it gives you the hassle to customize or buy other key caps just to put some bling on your topre keyboard.
Other than that - I just love its aesthetics :thumb:
I just wish that there's a keyboard with cherry switches that has this kind of layout. I'll definitely buy one.
I know you are new to GH, but really, you should try to understand Topre switches before commenting negatively on them. I don't mean any disrespect to you. But, I would be doing you a disservice if I didn't point your fundamental misunderstanding of Topre switches.
[I've given this answer before, but since you've obviously never seen it before, I'll cut and paste it here:]
Topre switches are not rubber dome switches. They are instead electrostatic capacitance switches, which is a superior technology to rubber domes. Rubber domes use physical contact to make an electrical contact. An electrostatic capacitive switch does not use physical contact of metal parts to make the electrical connection, instead the electrical connection is made by capacitance. Capacitance is the ability of a system to store an electric charge.
Topre capacitive switches do not physically complete an electric circuit like most other keyboard technologies, including rubber domes and Cherry MX switches. Instead, electric current constantly flows through all parts of the key matrix. Each key is spring-loaded and has a tiny plate attached to the bottom of it. When you press a key, you do the work of moving the tiny top plate closer to the larger plate below it. As the gap between the two plates decreases, the capacitance increases, and the amount of current flowing through the matrix changes. The micro-processor in the keyboard detects the change in voltage and interprets it as a key press for that location.
Because there is no physical contact, capacitive switch keyboards have a longer life than any other mechanical keyboard. Also, capacitive switch keyboards do not have problems with signal bounce since the two surfaces never come into physical contact. Signal bounce is a real problem if you want an electronic circuit with fast response time. Signal bounce (or “contact bounce”) can produce very noticeable and undesired effects.
Just a few technical points I'd like to correct.
1. Topre switches ARE rubber dome switches (since they do in fact use rubber domes), but feel and behave very differently from keyboards which have been labeled "rubber dome" keyboards due to the design of the domes, the additional springs and the higher actuation point. Not to mention the better design and build of the case.
2. I believe hall effect switches will last longer than Topres since the they only have springs and Topre rubber domes will age.
Otherwise, great post! Nice to see the technical aspects explained clearly.
Personally I like the adjustability of MX switches, the fact you can replace and mod so many parts, etc. Lots of keycap choices, too.
In my mech keyboard journey so far I have come to the point of fine tuning my MX preferences to trampoline and latex modded, lubed and stickered 62g ErgoClears which may in fact feel and sound a lot like silenced Topres....
I have only tried a RealForce 55g in the store and didn't like it at the time. Perhaps I should try to find a friend with an HHKB to test. I wonder how the new CoolerMaster board with MX stems will feel?
That and the fact that HHKB by PFU which also speaks in volumes that it is most likely HHKB has been made entirely in Japan. My dad loves Japanese technology (the story is a little more complicated than that) and so that has somewhat placed some profound effect on me in choosing products made in Japan. That said it does not mean that neither my dad nor myself are biased to only Japanese products but of countries where the quality of their workmanship is virtually impeccable it makes the purchase all the more "worthy" for its cause. Not only will it benefit that company from that country because of them knowing that their products are being used elsewhere in other parts of the world but also for the end users themselves knowing full well that the product would not be poorly made. Hence the price tag. I am sure not everyone would share that same perception but some may secretly admit that they do.
Topre switches, are, as described by Topre Corp. (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_Corporation), the 'Only one "Made in Japan" electrostatic capacitive non-contact type keyboard in the world'.
tuxsavvy,you have NEC M system keyboard? :)Nope, my only three mechanical (either partly/hybrid/etc) keyboards are listed in my signature.
I have heard from time and time again it is hard for one in the Europe to acquire a HHKB Pro due to the fear of customs placing duty taxes if the product were to be X amount.
Yeah it really kicked me when the postman told me the price I have to pay for customs...it was like over 30% on keyboard + shipping + fees and whatnot!
Well I had 60$ shipping for my HHKB so it wasn't really cheaper than yours either :D
I disliked mine so I sold it.
The FC660C is a much more practical solution and a lot more durable.
I disliked mine so I sold it.
The FC660C is a much more practical solution and a lot more durable.
I don't gain all that much, I'll have to pay for customs anyway...from what I've seen I'd save MAYBE 30$...I have heard similar stories from other people residing in EU as well. Customs over there can be a pain if they got a hint on whether or not the imported stuff is worth money to be charged by the customer on the receiving end. Some EU nations charge less for customs duty (or so I heard) but one really is playing with their luck here as well.
HHKBP2 = 25k yen = 175€
tenso charge 20€
shipping from PFU to tenso = ?
customs ~80€
that's nearly the same I paid by just ordering from EK...ok, it's a bit cheaper, but not worth the hassle and risk to be honest.
Well I had 60$ shipping for my HHKB so it wasn't really cheaper than yours either :D
Because here, the shipping of a HHKB would be the same if not more due to my location, in Crapville east of Perth. BUT anything shipped out of Hong Kong, Taiwan and South Korea is ridiculously cheap, around $15 - 20AUD.
The funny thing is ordering anything from Sydney or Melbourne would cost about $25.00 to ship to me and possibly take up to 2 weeks for delivery yet anything bought from Asia is delivered to my door within a week. Although with the NEW taxes being introduced it's now going to take a month before I see anything, ever delivered as the parasites start raking in their money.
I disliked mine so I sold it.
The FC660C is a much more practical solution and a lot more durable.
That's the point of this thread. No one hates their HHKB. So why spend $300 on a Filco when you can get the HHKB at (almost) the same price? He he..
In all seriousness, you may have high customs tax but I have high shipping cost. When I bought the WASD Code, shipping was $50! Matias has a agent in Taiwan, so Matias keyboard has really low shipping - internationally is just $15 out of Taiwan.
One good thing is that in Australia the customs duty supposedly does not kick in unless one forked out more than AUD$1000 on an item. It is also noted on tenso.com.
Heh ouch I wonder when will that kick in. Surely there will be some mass hatred for this ludicrous taxing scheme.One good thing is that in Australia the customs duty supposedly does not kick in unless one forked out more than AUD$1000 on an item. It is also noted on tenso.com.
Umm, that was the OLDer arrangement with the previous government that allowed full importation of anything without being taxed, if it's below $1000.00AUD.
With this NEW regime that got elected in September 2013, HE said he's scrapping the over $1000.00AUD no tax threshold to save Australian Retailers (biggest load of crap ever serviced upon this nation). But their more interested in raping extra money for themselves regarding what most other EU nations have been doing for some time now.
"Tenso.com" hasn't updated their site in a while but Abbott (new pm arsehole) will introduce a new tax levy on items worth over $20.00AUD for 2014.....the trick is when exactly this new tax will be introduced. The media here is very quiet about what this current regime is doing, it's almost non existent where everyone is too scared to ask the hard questions.
Heh ouch I wonder when will that kick in. Surely there will be some mass hatred for this ludicrous taxing scheme.
Heh ouch I wonder when will that kick in. Surely there will be some mass hatred for this ludicrous taxing scheme.
80% of media in the country is owned by Rupert Murdoch and everything is kept silent. He actually got Abbott into power due to his support and constant attack of Rudd and Gillard.
You see what happens when you have a powerful friend like Murdoch, instant power and subjugation of a nearly brain-dead populace. In fact the average IQ for an Australian is equivalent to a cow-patty ;D .
Hence you see, what is currently happening here would never occur anywhere else on this planet, except in China, North Korea or Zimbabwe.
Importers/Exporters would be charging clients through their noses, businesses would be increasing their price for anything imported and I am sure the economy cannot sustain such stupidity.
i bought another one because i hate it. :))
double the hate, double the fun. ;)
I hate the HHKB because I can only use one at a time :(
Yeah it really kicked me when the postman told me the price I have to pay for customs...it was like over 30% on keyboard + shipping + fees and whatnot!
I disliked mine so I sold it.
The FC660C is a much more practical solution and a lot more durable.
You're the FIRST one to say that here, hence watch out for the flaming, but how are you finding your NEW FC660C - are the keys lettering starting to wear out yet? I didn't want to buy it since they refused to use dye-sub on that model.
I disliked mine so I sold it.I'm thinking of getting a 660c, how is it?
The FC660C is a much more practical solution and a lot more durable.
I disliked mine so I sold it.I'm thinking of getting a 660c, how is it?
The FC660C is a much more practical solution and a lot more durable.
One good thing is that in Australia the customs duty supposedly does not kick in unless one forked out more than AUD$1000 on an item. It is also noted on tenso.com.
Umm, that was the OLDer arrangement with the previous government that allowed full importation of anything without being taxed, if it's below $1000.00AUD.
With this NEW regime that got elected in September 2013, HE said he's scrapping the over $1000.00AUD no tax threshold to save Australian Retailers (biggest load of crap ever serviced upon this nation). But their more interested in raping extra money for themselves regarding what most other EU nations have been doing for some time now.
"Tenso.com" hasn't updated their site in a while but Abbott (new pm arsehole) will introduce a new tax levy on items worth over $20.00AUD for 2014.....the trick is when exactly this new tax will be introduced. The media here is very quiet about what this current regime is doing, it's almost non existent where everyone is too scared to ask the hard questions.
One good thing is that in Australia the customs duty supposedly does not kick in unless one forked out more than AUD$1000 on an item. It is also noted on tenso.com.
Umm, that was the OLDer arrangement with the previous government that allowed full importation of anything without being taxed, if it's below $1000.00AUD.
With this NEW regime that got elected in September 2013, HE said he's scrapping the over $1000.00AUD no tax threshold to save Australian Retailers (biggest load of crap ever serviced upon this nation). But their more interested in raping extra money for themselves regarding what most other EU nations have been doing for some time now.
"Tenso.com" hasn't updated their site in a while but Abbott (new pm arsehole) will introduce a new tax levy on items worth over $20.00AUD for 2014.....the trick is when exactly this new tax will be introduced. The media here is very quiet about what this current regime is doing, it's almost non existent where everyone is too scared to ask the hard questions.
There is talk about it..but I don't think they've determined if it is worthwhile. There seems to be an agreement that it will cost more to administer than what they'll get in tax revenues...hopefully someone with half a brain will realize that their projected figures aren't going to be what they think they are. It will definitely hurt some of the overseas shopping which will, in turn, drop the projected inbound items which will, of course, hurt the revenue from GST from these items.
Australian retailers are trying to blame imported items and the lack of GST..but people aren't buying overseas because of a 10% difference (after shipping). They buy from overseas because the selection of items and they're saving a LOT more than 10%. For 10% someone is better off buying it from an Australian retailer, having an Australian warranty and consumer protection for the item.
There were a good number of years were the currency was so far in Australian retailers favor but they did nothing on their pricing...they deserve what they got IMO. You're finally starting to see some retailers have some reasonable (or more reasonable) pricing and that only happens because they're finally seeing some competition..maybe not from the store down the street but because online shopping is creating some competition for them. You finally see the Australian consumer do something about it rather than just accepting things....
It is slightly cheaper to buy from PCCG, it is mainly shipping from OS that kills any saving on bigger things.
There is talk about it..but I don't think they've determined if it is worthwhile.
the hhkb might have excellent typing feedback because of the plate mounted topre. and the form factor saves lots of space.
i can see that might work for writers, but the layout is really horrible for programmers.
i'm not sure why any of you buy that this is a good layout for "hacker".
unless you truly live in vim and the bash shell.
that's a very narrow definition of a hacker'
Real typists type on the wings of butterflies.no wrist rest? :))
Then I made one dip switch change that made me love it. I changed the left Win key to a Fn key. For me, way better. I use it at least half the time now.
I have a couple 87Us. I finally picked up an HHKB Pro2 and used it off and on for several months. While I liked the way it typed, the layout wasn't working for me. I was considering selling it.
Then I made one dip switch change that made me love it. I changed the left Win key to a Fn key. For me, way better. I use it at least half the time now.
I have a couple 87Us. I finally picked up an HHKB Pro2 and used it off and on for several months. While I liked the way it typed, the layout wasn't working for me. I was considering selling it.
Then I made one dip switch change that made me love it. I changed the left Win key to a Fn key. For me, way better. I use it at least half the time now.
i like how you call it a winkey. i wonder if that causes any hate.
^wait what?
i thought the type-s did
lol my bad. i use type s and silent interchangably. i didn't realize people were talking about realforce.
wow getting a 55g hhkb with purple plungers is a brutal expenditure.
Realforce 55g > HHKB
Really? I had one in my shopping cart all night on elitekeyboards. Couldn't go through w it though. So tempting.
Really? I had one in my shopping cart all night on elitekeyboards. Couldn't go through w it though. So tempting.
In my opinion, yes :)
Smooth crispy goodness..
HHKB is good too mind you, but I just like the 55g that bit better
They have a sale of the black TKL for $199. Did you get that one?
Makes sense. Compliment your black HHKB. Shipping to us is $33?
Lucky you. Shipping international is us$55!! And no warranty. Can this be bought out of Japan? May make sense for me.
Wow.. Just did a search of Amazon Japan. Real force 10 Anniversary Ed for around us$170. Am I dreaming? I this uniform 55g?
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B007BHW03U?cache=08d2130bd5a3fe74457a39c6ce308306&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70#ref=mp_s_a_1_5&qid=1392114411&sr=8-5
Lucky you. Shipping international is us$55!! And no warranty. Can this be bought out of Japan? May make sense for me.
$55 ouch :0 there has to be somewhere with these keyboards. Someone chime in.
While I can see why so many people love it, I can also see why so many people hate it.
Makes sense. Compliment your black HHKB. Shipping to us is $33?
$12 for US Fedex. Anything CONUS is cheap. 2 day usps when I ship to people is $6.. fedex for this was $12 I love EK!
But yep the white since I have dark grey. :)
Hate to pile on the hate wagon here, but mine is literally sitting on my shelf, albeit in the box. It's in mint pristine condition, only touched a few times. I just couldn't get the hang of the weird layout. I guess I'm not elite enough to use it. I'll probably sell it one of these days, when I'm not as occupied.
But I really envy all the users who get so much pleasure from it. To me, the FC660C is the best of all worlds, and I actually prefer the feel and thock of it more than the HHKB 2 Pro.
While I can see why so many people love it, I can also see why so many people hate it.
Makes sense. Compliment your black HHKB. Shipping to us is $33?
$12 for US Fedex. Anything CONUS is cheap. 2 day usps when I ship to people is $6.. fedex for this was $12 I love EK!
But yep the white since I have dark grey. :)
I don' think you will be shipping a 4lb keyboard in 2 days for $6 :p
Makes sense. Compliment your black HHKB. Shipping to us is $33?
$12 for US Fedex. Anything CONUS is cheap. 2 day usps when I ship to people is $6.. fedex for this was $12 I love EK!
But yep the white since I have dark grey. :)
I don' think you will be shipping a 4lb keyboard in 2 days for $6 :p
I was referring to US has good rates for fast shipping ha didn't say it was keyboards. :p
But wow EK has a good shipping rate.
Makes sense. Compliment your black HHKB. Shipping to us is $33?
$12 for US Fedex. Anything CONUS is cheap. 2 day usps when I ship to people is $6.. fedex for this was $12 I love EK!
But yep the white since I have dark grey. :)
I don' think you will be shipping a 4lb keyboard in 2 days for $6 :p
I was referring to US has good rates for fast shipping ha didn't say it was keyboards. :p
But wow EK has a good shipping rate.
Most of the time yes but for some reason I got hosed recently on shipping a keyboard in the US not sure if it was a combination of weight and size or what but it costs entirely too much.
Really? I had one in my shopping cart all night on elitekeyboards. Couldn't go through w it though. So tempting.
In my opinion, yes :)
Smooth crispy goodness..
HHKB is good too mind you, but I just like the 55g that bit better
I went through with it and ordered it! :)
Not too heavy? That's the only thing I'm worried about -- I prefer lighter switches, and 45g feels perfect as far as force, but increased tactility sounds great...
Not too heavy? That's the only thing I'm worried about -- I prefer lighter switches, and 45g feels perfect as far as force, but increased tactility sounds great...
There are guys here that will say it's no stiffer than an HHKB, but it is. Don't get me wrong...I love my 55g. But it is stiffer. For me, the 55g can be a bit stiff on prolonged typing sessions. My HHKB key weighting is perfect. But, I also have a RF variable silent that I like. I don't have a RF 45g uniform.
It all boils down to personal preference and typing style. The only way to tell is to buy the 55g or find somebody who has one that you can use. Most guys here prefer it over any of the other Topre switch weights.
Well I believe a topre ergodox is daerid's dream keyboard—he'd even sell his soul for it. There's your answer: topre ergodox costs one daerid soul.
Well I believe a topre ergodox is daerid's dream keyboard—he'd even sell his soul for it. There's your answer: topre ergodox costs one daerid soul.
If sifo's soul can be split into so many pieces, I'm sure that Daerid's soul can get 2 PCB's. :pWell I believe a topre ergodox is daerid's dream keyboard—he'd even sell his soul for it. There's your answer: topre ergodox costs one daerid soul.
one soul per PCB though right? looks like he's never going to get his dream... :p
If sifo's soul can be split into so many pieces, I'm sure that Daerid's soul can get 2 PCB's. :p
But I'm not using my soul to get that 'pissy keyboard that's made in japan' I'm using $260 :rolleyes:If sifo's soul can be split into so many pieces, I'm sure that Daerid's soul can get 2 PCB's. :p
Your soul is worth far more than some pissy keyboard made in japan 8) .
I think my ideal keyboard will end up being a realforce 55g though...
I think my ideal keyboard will end up being a realforce 55g though...
Yes.... yes it will.
Picked up my HHKB this morning on the way to work. After using it for a day, I HATE that I am now considering picking up another one for the office (on a grad student budget)! I had my reservations about the omission of certain keys, but it seems like in practice it doesn't matter. Also my office mates would probably appreciate if I do not use cherry greens any more. Below is a size comparison against a CM storm qf tk
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Picked up my HHKB this morning on the way to work. After using it for a day, I HATE that I am now considering picking up another one for the office (on a grad student budget)! I had my reservations about the omission of certain keys, but it seems like in practice it doesn't matter. Also my office mates would probably appreciate if I do not use cherry greens any more. Below is a size comparison against a CM storm qf tk
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I told you you wouldn't regret it!
Picked up my HHKB this morning on the way to work. After using it for a day, I HATE that I am now considering picking up another one for the office (on a grad student budget)! I had my reservations about the omission of certain keys, but it seems like in practice it doesn't matter. Also my office mates would probably appreciate if I do not use cherry greens any more. Below is a size comparison against a CM storm qf tk
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I told you you wouldn't regret it!
I regret that i have regrets.
Has there been anyone who bought a HHKB 2 and dislike and shelfed it? It's beginning to grow on me after 2 months and I'm already wondering what I'm going to do with all those MX boards I have.
If I started my mech adventure knowing that Topre is my destiny, imagine the amount of dollars I would have saved.
Thus, I'm curious as to the percentage of people who ended up hating or disliking it. We have many Topre and HHKB love threads. Is there one who dislike it and this let is hear your voice.
And if you are thinking of buying a mech and if you knew that Topre is the end game for many and no one ever regret it, then it's a no brainier for new member to jump directly to HHKB, isn't it? Yeah, it's more expensive but so is owning multiple Cherry variants.
QuoteIf I started my mech adventure knowing that Topre is my destiny, imagine the amount of dollars I would have saved.
don't think of it that way! it was a great journey that brought you to the one true switch and layout.
all hail topre!
All the MX money I saved would have let me buy a Type-S! And Topre Clacks!
I'm trying to give people the shortcut to end game!!
The sad thing is that if you are the type of person who has MX and wants to try Topre regradless of already being pretty satisfied with what you have, that mean that it would work the other way as well. If you started with Topre, it would only be a matter of time before you finally cracked and would try out at least one MX.
Personally I tried Topre but was not sure about it. Still every once in a while I think about buying one. Sometimes when you own something and allow yourself to get used to it you like it a lot more than at first try, even if the first try was underwhelming. If the HHKB were more available where I live, and about 30% less expensive I would already own one. Right now, it is also a question of, even if I like it, am I willing to spend that much money on it. A non-issue for many people on this board I know (what is a few bucks compared to keyboard typing bliss), but something my circumstances force me to think about.
Does anyone consistently travel with their HHKB? It is small enough that I can put it in my gym bag but I am slightly afraid that I might wear out the microusb port on the hhkb.
Does anyone consistently travel with their HHKB? It is small enough that I can put it in my gym bag but I am slightly afraid that I might wear out the microusb port on the hhkb.
I'll be in college next year and my mom keeps joking around that I will be "that guy" who carries his own (60%) keyboard to all his classes :p
Does anyone consistently travel with their HHKB? It is small enough that I can put it in my gym bag but I am slightly afraid that I might wear out the microusb port on the hhkb.Why don't you get a small cable that is micro USB to USB A female? All the strain should be on the A Female right?
Does anyone consistently travel with their HHKB? It is small enough that I can put it in my gym bag but I am slightly afraid that I might wear out the microusb port on the hhkb.Why don't you get a small cable that is micro USB to USB A female? All the strain should be on the A Female right?
I have a feeling it wouldn't be quite as popular around here if it weren't for its price tag.
I sold mine after a few weeks.
I have a feeling it wouldn't be quite as popular around here if it weren't for its price tag.
Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down
/rant
I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).
That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb. I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.
I sold mine after a few weeks.
I have a feeling it wouldn't be quite as popular around here if it weren't for its price tag.
Or people are joking and you can't tell.Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down
/rant
I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).
That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb. I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit
Or people are joking and you can't tell.Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down
/rant
I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).
That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb. I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit
you must be pretty dedicated to joking considering about six thousand of your posts are what I'm talking aboutOr people are joking and you can't tell.Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down
/rant
I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).
That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb. I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit
you must be pretty dedicated to joking considering about six thousand of your posts are what I'm talking aboutOr people are joking and you can't tell.Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down
/rant
I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).
That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb. I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit
edit:
And I'm sorry, but none of you have done anything to refute how sheltered you sound. Even in the realm of mechanical keyboards, literally none of you seem to understand that some people have financial limitations or have better things to spend their money on than 260 dollar keyboards.
If any of you work in data entry I'd love to see you guys trying to bang out numeric values on the number row.
I have a feeling it wouldn't be quite as popular around here if it weren't for its price tag.
lol ok
i have a feeling you're dumb.
HAHAHA SUCKS FOR YOUUUUUUUU
I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
-snip-
You seem to like making blanket statements. Who are "we" and why do "we" need to refute anything to you?I think you're over thinking this. No one actually believes that by owning a Topre board they're somehow better than everyone else. It's a running gag that Topre is God's gift from heaven, that's it. Calm down mate.welpShow Image(http://silentache.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/jimmies.gif)
they are good keyboards but it's just something i've noticed from the community in general and i probably don't see any innate humor in the joke because I'm new to GH, but please try to have some perspective, guys
you must be pretty dedicated to joking considering about six thousand of your posts are what I'm talking aboutOr people are joking and you can't tell.Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down
/rant
I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).
That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb. I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit
edit:
And I'm sorry, but none of you have done anything to refute how sheltered you sound. Even in the realm of mechanical keyboards, literally none of you seem to understand that some people have financial limitations or have better things to spend their money on than 260 dollar keyboards.
If any of you work in data entry I'd love to see you guys trying to bang out numeric values on the number row.
I have a feeling it wouldn't be quite as popular around here if it weren't for its price tag.
lol ok
i have a feeling you're dumb.HAHAHA SUCKS FOR YOUUUUUUUU
Post-purchase rationalization is a funny thing.
To each his own, keyboards are about preference. +1 HHKB "hater", this thread needs more of them.
Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down
/rant
I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).
That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb. I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit
you must be pretty dedicated to joking considering about six thousand of your posts are what I'm talking aboutOr people are joking and you can't tell.Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down
/rant
I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).
That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb. I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit
edit:
And I'm sorry, but none of you have done anything to refute how sheltered you sound. Even in the realm of mechanical keyboards, literally none of you seem to understand that some people have financial limitations or have better things to spend their money on than 260 dollar keyboards.
If any of you work in data entry I'd love to see you guys trying to bang out numeric values on the number row.
you must be pretty dedicated to joking considering about six thousand of your posts are what I'm talking aboutOr people are joking and you can't tell.Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down
/rant
I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).
That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb. I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit
edit:
And I'm sorry, but none of you have done anything to refute how sheltered you sound. Even in the realm of mechanical keyboards, literally none of you seem to understand that some people have financial limitations or have better things to spend their money on than 260 dollar keyboards.
If any of you work in data entry I'd love to see you guys trying to bang out numeric values on the number row.
man, you sound like a baby. did somebody miss their nap?
I sold mine after a few weeks.
I have a feeling it wouldn't be quite as popular around here if it weren't for its price tag.
I sold mine after a few weeks.
I have a feeling it wouldn't be quite as popular around here if it weren't for its price tag.
BINGO.....he hit the nail on the head. If the HHKB was selling for $50.00USD no one would touch it here and only referring to it as another "cheapo dome" keyboard. But stick a $300.00USD sticker on it and everyone here on GH start wetting their pants and proclaiming to everyone else, that this keyboard is the BEST in the world.
Again, drop the price on it and we'll see if that sentiment stays the same 8) .
yeah EK, please drop the price on it.. for science! im sure NOBODY that already owns one will buy it because it's SO cheap now that ANYBODY can buy it and we will all lose the status of being elite hhkb owners
yeah EK, please drop the price on it.. for science! im sure NOBODY that already owns one will buy it because it's SO cheap now that ANYBODY can buy it and we will all lose the status of being elite hhkb owners
I'm about to get a HHKB, but I'm unfortunately going to get a really, really good deal on it, so I won't have the satisfaction of spending more money than other people.
Forever a peasant...
Make sure to provide proof of this money burning. You can't allow anyone without proof into the club!yeah EK, please drop the price on it.. for science! im sure NOBODY that already owns one will buy it because it's SO cheap now that ANYBODY can buy it and we will all lose the status of being elite hhkb owners
I'm about to get a HHKB, but I'm unfortunately going to get a really, really good deal on it, so I won't have the satisfaction of spending more money than other people.
Forever a peasant...
well what you can do is this.
buy it for the cheap peasant price you're going to get it for, and then literally burn the rest of the money and we'll let you in our super secret club of big money spenders.
I can't say I hate my HHKB but it is overrated. It is more fun to look at than use. It is missing a few keys and severally keys are in the wrong place. I'll be posting mine in the marketplace soon.
87u 55g, 87u 45g, FC660c, HHKB and soon 104-DK 45g
yeah EK, please drop the price on it.. for science! im sure NOBODY that already owns one will buy it because it's SO cheap now that ANYBODY can buy it and we will all lose the status of being elite hhkb owners
I'm about to get a HHKB, but I'm unfortunately going to get a really, really good deal on it, so I won't have the satisfaction of spending more money than other people.
Forever a peasant...
that it didn't.
it's good to have friends.
you must be pretty dedicated to joking considering about six thousand of your posts are what I'm talking aboutOr people are joking and you can't tell.Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down
/rant
I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).
That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb. I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit
edit:
And I'm sorry, but none of you have done anything to refute how sheltered you sound. Even in the realm of mechanical keyboards, literally none of you seem to understand that some people have financial limitations or have better things to spend their money on than 260 dollar keyboards.
If any of you work in data entry I'd love to see you guys trying to bang out numeric values on the number row.
I've just ordered a HHKB and was just wondering if anyone have much difficulty using the 'fn' + arrow keys without looking down at the keyboard?
Sheltered 4 lyfe. Add one more hhkb pro post to my 6k countI've just ordered a HHKB and was just wondering if anyone have much difficulty using the 'fn' + arrow keys without looking down at the keyboard?
No, and I have big hands. But I also have a big bank account, and am sheltered beyond belief, so don't take my word for it.
I've just ordered a HHKB and was just wondering if anyone have much difficulty using the 'fn' + arrow keys without looking down at the keyboard?
I've just ordered a HHKB and was just wondering if anyone have much difficulty using the 'fn' + arrow keys without looking down at the keyboard?
Yeah, visually the HHKB is super aesthetic. A functional, nearly symmetrical compact keyboard. Unfortunately the delete and backslash situation is a deal breaker :(
That and the fact that the FC660C is $80 cheaper makes it a no brainer (for me at least).
Oddly I think the leopold looks nicer than the HHKB(especially with the two keys in the top right being perfect for keycap display imo). I might get one down the road, I am kind of trying to hold myself off from getting any actual keybaords this year, at least for awhile, and the novatouch at the very least makes me want to wait and see.
After using a full-size Realforce, I've concluded that I just prefer the layout of a Realforce to that of the HHKB. I just need that function row and arrow keys :(I have two 87Us, well built boards forsure but I hate how big they are compared to the Leo. Im used to hitting the FN key + Number Row for a F button.
Now, to just get my hands on a TKL Realforce!
I had an FC660M, but I realized I prefer the TKL layout. Only the jump from TKL to full-size is too big for me; I don't like stretching my arms out while gaming :oAfter using a full-size Realforce, I've concluded that I just prefer the layout of a Realforce to that of the HHKB. I just need that function row and arrow keys :(I have two 87Us, well built boards forsure but I hate how big they are compared to the Leo. Im used to hitting the FN key + Number Row for a F button.
Now, to just get my hands on a TKL Realforce!
I hate Dustin for making me lust after a Leo, thus disliking my HHKB for not having two keys to display my upcoming Toxic Bros :)I always look at Dustin's Leo and say "Wow that's such a good lucking board" I then look at the stock version and then wish it had the white and grey realforce keys :P
I actually love the HHKB layout, and find it much more natural. Backspace is a much more common key than backslash, so it makes sense to put it closer to the home row.
I mean I HATE that HHKB makes me type wrong on other keyboards now!
I actually love the HHKB layout, and find it much more natural. Backspace is a much more common key than backslash, so it makes sense to put it closer to the home row.
I mean I HATE that HHKB makes me type wrong on other keyboards now!
I actually love the HHKB layout, and find it much more natural. Backspace is a much more common key than backslash, so it makes sense to put it closer to the home row.
I mean I HATE that HHKB makes me type wrong on other keyboards now!
Logically, I agree with you. However, my hands start screaming at me whenever I use a HHKB. I hit backspace with my right ring finger, and on the HHKB I have to switch over to my right pinky. And since I hit BS way, way more than I hit backslash, I have to use my pinky much more than I should. Which makes the outside of my right hand start throbbing after about 20 minutes of heavy typing.
of course,initially hhkb for unix users no arrow keys :))
The material cases is PS no ABS :-X
of course,initially hhkb for unix users no arrow keys :))
The material cases is PS no ABS :-X
Set your terminal into vim mode. Never look back.
Hmmmm, I forgot that option existed. I'm not a huge vim user but I might try it out.
Hmmmm, I forgot that option existed. I'm not a huge vim user but I might try it out.
As much as I'm a huge vim freak, I can never get used to vim mode in bash. Ctrl-A/E, Alt-F/B and Ctrl-W are good enough for me.
People lube the sliders and slider housings.
There does seem to be very little HHKB actual hate around here.it's hard to have strong feelings about keyboards :))
Dislike, yes, often related to the layout.
But not actual hate.
Only about Novelty caps. :PThere does seem to be very little HHKB actual hate around here.it's hard to have strong feelings about keyboards :))
Dislike, yes, often related to the layout.
But not actual hate.
There does seem to be very little HHKB actual hate around here.it's hard to have strong feelings about keyboards :))
Dislike, yes, often related to the layout.
But not actual hate.
Only about Novelty caps. :PThere does seem to be very little HHKB actual hate around here.it's hard to have strong feelings about keyboards :))
Dislike, yes, often related to the layout.
But not actual hate.
:-*Only about Novelty caps. :PThere does seem to be very little HHKB actual hate around here.it's hard to have strong feelings about keyboards :))
Dislike, yes, often related to the layout.
But not actual hate.
Well that makes sense when you have more novelty keycaps than spaces to put them on :))
:-*Only about Novelty caps. :PThere does seem to be very little HHKB actual hate around here.it's hard to have strong feelings about keyboards :))
Dislike, yes, often related to the layout.
But not actual hate.
Well that makes sense when you have more novelty keycaps than spaces to put them on :))
Hue
Recently I've been facing a huge problem caused by my HHKB: I can't stand "standard" keyboard layouts. The HHKB layout is just so freaking perfect, every time I used a keyboard that's not the same form factor, it just feels wrong. The control placement is just so prime, and the fn arrow keys are to die for...
Recently I've been facing a huge problem caused by my HHKB: I can't stand "standard" keyboard layouts. The HHKB layout is just so freaking perfect, every time I used a keyboard that's not the same form factor, it just feels wrong. The control placement is just so prime, and the fn arrow keys are to die for...
That's why so many people have more than one HHKB :D
Recently I've been facing a huge problem caused by my HHKB: I can't stand "standard" keyboard layouts. The HHKB layout is just so freaking perfect, every time I used a keyboard that's not the same form factor, it just feels wrong. The control placement is just so prime, and the fn arrow keys are to die for...