HHKB Pro 2 Hate

[RESPRiT]

I think you're over thinking this. No one actually believes that by owning a Topre board they're somehow better than everyone else. It's a running gag that Topre is God's gift from heaven, that's it. Calm down mate.

[morpheus]

HHKB isn't for everyone. It wasn't for me, which is why I sold mine. But I still appreciate the engineering and skill that went into it. Also, the design for was originally for UNIX users, so I wouldn't assume that the average user would appreciate it, let alone like it. I don't hate it, which is what I said before. It just doesn't work for me.

But I want to go on record to say, it looks fabulous, and I envy those of you who love it, KUDOS!

btw: typed this on MX Browns

[neunelfer]

I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down

/rant

I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).

That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb.  I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.

Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit

Or people are joking and you can't tell.

you must be pretty dedicated to joking considering about six thousand of your posts are what I'm talking about
edit:
And I'm sorry, but none of you have done anything to refute how sheltered you sound. Even in the realm of mechanical keyboards, literally none of you seem to understand that some people have financial limitations or have better things to spend their money on than 260 dollar keyboards.
If any of you work in data entry I'd love to see you guys trying to bang out numeric values on the number row.

You seem to like making blanket statements. Who are "we" and why do "we" need to refute anything to you?

[vivalarevolución]

I might be one of those people that dislike the HHKB and Topre in general.  I have been a buckling spring warrior for some time now, and the clicktastic feel of Model M's and F's sticks in your blood.  I originally liked Topre because of the lightness of the switches, but some Model F's are just as light with a better feel to them. 

I got a HHKB a couple days ago and have been using it since it walked in the door.  I am not a big fan of the delete key and lack of navigation on the first layer.  I occassionally have to fumble around to get to those arrow keys, and it annoys me a bit.  With heavy navigation, my hand gets a bit tired having to hold down the function key.

In addition, the keys do feel quite mushy, and I was hoping for a crisper, more high quality feel.  The "thock" is not impressing me much.  After a couple days on the HHKB, I am about ready to go fleeing back to my buckling spring keyboards.  I have a hunch that I am more accurate typer with buckling spring boards.  Not really sure.  I will give the HHKB a couple more days to form a complete opinion.

Regardless, this keyboard is a beautiful piece of engineering, and I commend the designers for creating the thing.

[Schwarz]

I have a feeling it wouldn't be quite as popular around here if it weren't for its price tag.

lol ok

i have a feeling you're dumb.

HAHAHA SUCKS FOR YOUUUUUUUU

Post-purchase rationalization is a funny thing.

To each his own, keyboards are about preference. +1 HHKB "hater", this thread needs more of them.

[Roibhilin]

I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
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You seem to like making blanket statements. Who are "we" and why do "we" need to refute anything to you?

I think you're over thinking this. No one actually believes that by owning a Topre board they're somehow better than everyone else. It's a running gag that Topre is God's gift from heaven, that's it. Calm down mate.

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welp
they are good keyboards but it's just something i've noticed from the community in general and i probably don't see any innate humor in the joke because I'm new to GH, but please try to have some perspective, guys

[dustinhxc]

I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down

/rant

I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).

That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb.  I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.

Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit

Or people are joking and you can't tell.

you must be pretty dedicated to joking considering about six thousand of your posts are what I'm talking about
edit:
And I'm sorry, but none of you have done anything to refute how sheltered you sound. Even in the realm of mechanical keyboards, literally none of you seem to understand that some people have financial limitations or have better things to spend their money on than 260 dollar keyboards.
If any of you work in data entry I'd love to see you guys trying to bang out numeric values on the number row.

Thats why I have a ten key pad !

[riotonthebay]

I have a feeling it wouldn't be quite as popular around here if it weren't for its price tag.

lol ok

i have a feeling you're dumb.

HAHAHA SUCKS FOR YOUUUUUUUU

Post-purchase rationalization is a funny thing.

To each his own, keyboards are about preference. +1 HHKB "hater", this thread needs more of them.

I don't have a HHKB.

And I have way more MX post-purchase rationalization to do before I start worrying about any HHKB .

[rowdy]

I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down

/rant

I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).

That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb.  I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.

Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit

I have a Mac AND an HHKB.

[demik]

I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down

/rant

I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).

That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb.  I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.

Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit

Or people are joking and you can't tell.

you must be pretty dedicated to joking considering about six thousand of your posts are what I'm talking about
edit:
And I'm sorry, but none of you have done anything to refute how sheltered you sound. Even in the realm of mechanical keyboards, literally none of you seem to understand that some people have financial limitations or have better things to spend their money on than 260 dollar keyboards.
If any of you work in data entry I'd love to see you guys trying to bang out numeric values on the number row.

man, you sound like a baby. did somebody miss their nap?

[naasfu]

I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down

/rant

I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).

That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb.  I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.

Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit

Or people are joking and you can't tell.

you must be pretty dedicated to joking considering about six thousand of your posts are what I'm talking about
edit:
And I'm sorry, but none of you have done anything to refute how sheltered you sound. Even in the realm of mechanical keyboards, literally none of you seem to understand that some people have financial limitations or have better things to spend their money on than 260 dollar keyboards.
If any of you work in data entry I'd love to see you guys trying to bang out numeric values on the number row.

man, you sound like a baby. did somebody miss their nap?

I just took a nap, and I feel much better now.  Highly recommended.

posted from my HHKB

[Elrick]

I sold mine after a few weeks.

I have a feeling it wouldn't be quite as popular around here if it weren't for its price tag.

BINGO.....he hit the nail on the head.  If the HHKB was selling for $50.00USD no one would touch it here and only referring to it as another "cheapo dome" keyboard.  But stick a $300.00USD sticker on it and everyone here on GH start wetting their pants and proclaiming to everyone else, that this keyboard is the BEST in the world.

Again, drop the price on it and we'll see if that sentiment stays the same  .

[demik]

yeah EK, please drop the price on it.. for science! im sure NOBODY that already owns one will buy it because it's SO cheap now that ANYBODY can buy it and we will all lose the status of being elite hhkb owners

oh, im being sarcastic. in case Roibhilin doesn't get it.

[esoomenona]

I sold mine after a few weeks.

I have a feeling it wouldn't be quite as popular around here if it weren't for its price tag.

BINGO.....he hit the nail on the head.  If the HHKB was selling for $50.00USD no one would touch it here and only referring to it as another "cheapo dome" keyboard.  But stick a $300.00USD sticker on it and everyone here on GH start wetting their pants and proclaiming to everyone else, that this keyboard is the BEST in the world.

Again, drop the price on it and we'll see if that sentiment stays the same  .

Because $500 Cherry keyboards with any random switch don't feel the same as a $60 keyboard, am I right?

[riotonthebay]

yeah EK, please drop the price on it.. for science! im sure NOBODY that already owns one will buy it because it's SO cheap now that ANYBODY can buy it and we will all lose the status of being elite hhkb owners

I'm about to get a HHKB, but I'm unfortunately going to get a really, really good deal on it, so I won't have the satisfaction of spending more money than other people.

Forever a peasant...

[demik]

yeah EK, please drop the price on it.. for science! im sure NOBODY that already owns one will buy it because it's SO cheap now that ANYBODY can buy it and we will all lose the status of being elite hhkb owners

I'm about to get a HHKB, but I'm unfortunately going to get a really, really good deal on it, so I won't have the satisfaction of spending more money than other people.

Forever a peasant...

well what you can do is this.

buy it for the cheap peasant price you're going to get it for, and then literally burn the rest of the money and we'll let you in our super secret club of big money spenders.

[Air tree]

yeah EK, please drop the price on it.. for science! im sure NOBODY that already owns one will buy it because it's SO cheap now that ANYBODY can buy it and we will all lose the status of being elite hhkb owners

I'm about to get a HHKB, but I'm unfortunately going to get a really, really good deal on it, so I won't have the satisfaction of spending more money than other people.

Forever a peasant...

well what you can do is this.

buy it for the cheap peasant price you're going to get it for, and then literally burn the rest of the money and we'll let you in our super secret club of big money spenders.

Make sure to provide proof of this money burning. You can't allow anyone without proof into the club!

[demik]

good idea air tree, honorary big money spenders club member

[Mr. C]

I can't say I hate my HHKB but it is overrated.  It is more fun to look at than use.  It is missing a few keys and severally keys are in the wrong place.  I'll be posting mine in the marketplace soon.

87u 55g, 87u 45g, FC660c, HHKB and soon 104-DK 45g

[demik]

I can't say I hate my HHKB but it is overrated.  It is more fun to look at than use.  It is missing a few keys and severally keys are in the wrong place.  I'll be posting mine in the marketplace soon.

87u 55g, 87u 45g, FC660c, HHKB and soon 104-DK 45g

it's not for everybody that's for sure. i know some need a tenkey or readily available F keys.

[SpAmRaY]

yeah EK, please drop the price on it.. for science! im sure NOBODY that already owns one will buy it because it's SO cheap now that ANYBODY can buy it and we will all lose the status of being elite hhkb owners

I'm about to get a HHKB, but I'm unfortunately going to get a really, really good deal on it, so I won't have the satisfaction of spending more money than other people.

Forever a peasant...

It's ok demik's current HHKB didn't cost him much either.

[demik]

that it didn't.

it's good to have friends.

[SpAmRaY]

that it didn't.

it's good to have friends.

you're welcome

anything to get you typing on something other than that siig

[Belfong]

I can't tell if this thread title is sarcastic or not but
As much as I want a HHKB, the rabid fanboy mentality around it really turns me off from part of the community here. Literally half of the exchanges I've seen on this website go like this:
"hi guys what's a good cherry mx/alps keyboa-"
"get a hhkb throw away all of your cherry mx keyboards i am a sheltered rich college student who does not understand budget limitations"
"topre is one true typing experience dirty peasant"
i've borrowed a HHKB Pro2 from a friend so i know how good they are to type on, but jesus, guys, calm down

/rant

I would say that is a fair viewpoint. I also had some of the same concerns before I bought mine (it seems like there is a cultish following of the hhkb, wasn't sure if it could live up). I do think hearing a variety of opinions would be nice as well (seems to be a strong topre camp).

That being said, I think it is a good sign though for someone contemplating buying one that for the most part, people are pretty happy with their hhkb.  I did end up buying one (err two) and have no regrets.

Seriously, though, it's worse than people who say "get a mac!!!!" whenever someone says that there's something wrong with their PC or vice versa.
I don't know if you can apply an adjective like "pretentious" to a keyboard, but if you could HHKB would probably be the closest fit

Or people are joking and you can't tell.

you must be pretty dedicated to joking considering about six thousand of your posts are what I'm talking about
edit:
And I'm sorry, but none of you have done anything to refute how sheltered you sound. Even in the realm of mechanical keyboards, literally none of you seem to understand that some people have financial limitations or have better things to spend their money on than 260 dollar keyboards.
If any of you work in data entry I'd love to see you guys trying to bang out numeric values on the number row.

Took me some time to respond to this even though I have read the thread in my phone - sorry. But let me share my view. This is a keyboard enthusiasts forum. Many of the members here have owned mech keyboards for years. And this is probably one of their passion/hobby which they are more than willing to spend money on. Many, like me, think that this is a the cheapest of a man's hobby - compare to sports car, audio system, scuba diving and what not. Over the years, people upgrade their equipments and many ended up in the 'best' there is to offer which is the HHKB. Naturally, the good-natured jest among the members would be to recommend the best keyboard and discouraging people from going the Cherry path, because, hey they have been there.

It is not a matter of people working in a data entry job or anything. This is a hobby that has grown over the years and people saved up for what they like best.

You probably just started down this path. And I am sure you could afford a HHKB but you will be wondering if it is mad to spend so much on a keyboard when a Cherry would suffice. Use the Cherry and see if the passion for mech keyboard grows within you? If it didn't, then enjoy the Cherry, it is a great keyboard. But if you love it and wonder if there is something better.. and how would that Brobots looked in your current keyboard, you know that you have a new hobby. Wouldn't you want to save for the better keyboard then?

Hope you will join us one day

[acsim]

I've just ordered a HHKB and was just wondering if anyone have much difficulty using the 'fn' + arrow keys without looking down at the keyboard?

[esoomenona]

I've just ordered a HHKB and was just wondering if anyone have much difficulty using the 'fn' + arrow keys without looking down at the keyboard?

No, and I have big hands. But I also have a big bank account, and am sheltered beyond belief, so don't take my word for it.

[demik]

I've just ordered a HHKB and was just wondering if anyone have much difficulty using the 'fn' + arrow keys without looking down at the keyboard?

No, and I have big hands. But I also have a big bank account, and am sheltered beyond belief, so don't take my word for it.

Sheltered 4 lyfe. Add one more hhkb pro post to my 6k count

[rowdy]

I've just ordered a HHKB and was just wondering if anyone have much difficulty using the 'fn' + arrow keys without looking down at the keyboard?

Just need a bit of practice.

[Rewind]

For me personally it helped a lot to put some colored caps on the navigation cluster. That way I could kind of see what I was doing from the corner of my eye. After a few weeks I removed the colored caps and I'm doing fine using the arrows blindly now.

[RESPRiT]

I've just ordered a HHKB and was just wondering if anyone have much difficulty using the 'fn' + arrow keys without looking down at the keyboard?

It actually feels pretty natural for me, and I like how they're near the Home/End/PgDn/Pgup fn keys.

[atlas3686]

The arrow cluster is surprisingly easy to get used to. The biggest downside is that Topre caps are insanely hard to find now.

[mljs54]

It was love/hate for me.

I've been using a 104 layout at work for so long, there was realistically no way I was going to get used to the HHKB layout at home, and I knew that going in, but wanted to try the HHKB regardless. 

Gave it up after about a month - just could not get fluid with arrow cluster/home/end/page up&down shortcuts.  However, casual typing/gaming on the HHKB was awesome and I can definitely appreciate why everyone loves their HHKBs.  If it was my only KB and I was in a different line of work I don't think I'd have another KB on my desk.

Good news is I did not lose a dime on the buy/sell so I strongly encourage anyone on the fence to pickup a used one.  They are really easy to resell here.

Anyways, just my experience.

[Schwarz]

Anything outside of straight typing (115wpm, that thock sound is nice) I didn't enjoy topre at all. Between programming/work related things and gaming the topre board didn't cut it compared to my 104key Filco for an everyday keyboard. The travel distance is too much and I can feel the keyboard holding me back in typing speed unlike my cherry boards.

I adjusted to the layout fine and even enjoyed it but the lack of dedicated arrows bugged me. Sometimes you just want to search through a file etc without using two hands and being on home row. I switch keyboards too much to be dedicated to a non-standard layout.

However I don't regret buying it because now I know it's not my cup of tea and never will be.

Don't get me started on the price, I know it's a niche switch in a niche market, but these boards are nowhere near worth the $250+ they're charging for them. Just my opinion, of course.

[ekw808]

Games aren't fun when you've reached the end. There's nothing left to explore. Also the idea of hating a keyboard is kind of foreign to me. Hating a keyboard for not being what you want when there are other options is pointless. There are preferences but I don't see reason to hate.

[dustinhxc]

Why do you have to be such a visually appealing board HHKB?! Damn you're sexy. I love my Leo, but man the HHKB looks the best.

[daerid]

Yeah, visually the HHKB is super aesthetic. A functional, nearly symmetrical compact keyboard. Unfortunately the delete and backslash situation is a deal breaker

That and the fact that the FC660C is $80 cheaper makes it a no brainer (for me at least).

[riotonthebay]

I actually love the HHKB layout, and find it much more natural. Backspace is a much more common key than backslash, so it makes sense to put it closer to the home row.

I mean I HATE that HHKB makes me type wrong on other keyboards now!

[dustinhxc]

Yeah, visually the HHKB is super aesthetic. A functional, nearly symmetrical compact keyboard. Unfortunately the delete and backslash situation is a deal breaker

That and the fact that the FC660C is $80 cheaper makes it a no brainer (for me at least).

Exactly my point. FC660C is my favorite keyboard. But HHKB looks great.

[HPE1000]

Oddly I think the leopold looks nicer than the HHKB(especially with the two keys in the top right being perfect for keycap display imo). I might get one down the road, I am kind of trying to hold myself off from getting any actual keybaords this year, at least for awhile, and the novatouch at the very least makes me want to wait and see.

[dustinhxc]

Oddly I think the leopold looks nicer than the HHKB(especially with the two keys in the top right being perfect for keycap display imo). I might get one down the road, I am kind of trying to hold myself off from getting any actual keybaords this year, at least for awhile, and the novatouch at the very least makes me want to wait and see.

Yeah I love my Leo! The arrows and the 2 corner keys look awesome! Plus the steel plate is a WIN for me. I honestly have no interest in the novatouch except for if I can harvest the sliders for my leo.

[Beca]

After using a full-size Realforce, I've concluded that I just prefer the layout of a Realforce to that of the HHKB. I just need that function row and arrow keys

Now, to just get my hands on a TKL Realforce!

[dustinhxc]

After using a full-size Realforce, I've concluded that I just prefer the layout of a Realforce to that of the HHKB. I just need that function row and arrow keys

Now, to just get my hands on a TKL Realforce!

I have two 87Us, well built boards forsure but I hate how big they are compared to the Leo. Im used to hitting the FN key + Number Row for a F button.

[Beca]

After using a full-size Realforce, I've concluded that I just prefer the layout of a Realforce to that of the HHKB. I just need that function row and arrow keys

Now, to just get my hands on a TKL Realforce!

I have two 87Us, well built boards forsure but I hate how big they are compared to the Leo. Im used to hitting the FN key + Number Row for a F button.

I had an FC660M, but I realized I prefer the TKL layout. Only the jump from TKL to full-size is too big for me; I don't like stretching my arms out while gaming

[Belfong]

I hate Dustin for making me lust after a Leo, thus disliking my HHKB for not having two keys to display my upcoming Toxic Bros

[Air tree]

I hate Dustin for making me lust after a Leo, thus disliking my HHKB for not having two keys to display my upcoming Toxic Bros

I always look at Dustin's Leo and say "Wow that's such a good lucking board" I then look at the stock version and then wish it had the white and grey realforce keys

[1pq]

I actually love the HHKB layout, and find it much more natural. Backspace is a much more common key than backslash, so it makes sense to put it closer to the home row.

I mean I HATE that HHKB makes me type wrong on other keyboards now!

Hey, shouldn't your "cherry peasant" title be changed by now?

[daerid]

I actually love the HHKB layout, and find it much more natural. Backspace is a much more common key than backslash, so it makes sense to put it closer to the home row.

I mean I HATE that HHKB makes me type wrong on other keyboards now!

Logically, I agree with you. However, my hands start screaming at me whenever I use a HHKB. I hit backspace with my right ring finger, and on the HHKB I have to switch over to my right pinky. And since I hit BS way, way more than I hit backslash, I have to use my pinky much more than I should. Which makes the outside of my right hand start throbbing after about 20 minutes of heavy typing.

[shem]

I've used HHKB2 for something like 2-3 years every work day as my only office keyboard, with Linux, mostly for programming. I still struggle with the arrow key situation. I've configured every possible application to recognise either vi or emacs style scrolling keys but it's still a drag. At home I have a space saver IBM model M and it feels so much more natural for moving around in a file or browser. I guess I'm just haptically challenged. I love the typing feel of HHKB and its small footprint. I'm now seriously considering a FC660C for work.

My ideal keyboard, and I'm not talking about ćsthetics, would be FC660C with IBM model F keyswitches.

[Smasher816]

I actually love the HHKB layout, and find it much more natural. Backspace is a much more common key than backslash, so it makes sense to put it closer to the home row.

I mean I HATE that HHKB makes me type wrong on other keyboards now!

Logically, I agree with you. However, my hands start screaming at me whenever I use a HHKB. I hit backspace with my right ring finger, and on the HHKB I have to switch over to my right pinky. And since I hit BS way, way more than I hit backslash, I have to use my pinky much more than I should. Which makes the outside of my right hand start throbbing after about 20 minutes of heavy typing.

I still use my right ring finger to press backspace on the HHKB.

I love the layout but as soon as I use another computer I get a lot of \\\\\\\\\\ until a few seconds later when I realize that backspace moved.

[lowmagnet]

of course,initially hhkb for unix users no arrow keys )
The material cases is PS no ABS

Set your terminal into vim mode. Never look back.