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Offline Reptile

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« on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 13:52:09 »
Hey guys so I am currently running a first gen i7 and was planning on upgrading to Ivy but now I have mixed feelings with all the reviews coming out.

I am leaning towards SB-E just because of the proven performance and the upgrade path for Ivy-E in a year or so. Looking to OC on air with a noctua nh-d14 and a lian li a05 with some extra fans.

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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 14:43:35 »
Put your current system under water and OC it hard if you need more performance and hold on for Haswell. That's what I am doing.
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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 14:59:51 »
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If you're going to hold out that long, why not wait for some 10 nm architecture?
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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 15:01:02 »
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Put your current system under water and OC it hard if you need more performance and hold on for Haswell. That's what I am doing.

I would if I could. It's not custom

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 15:18:09 »
I had been running an e8750 and 8800GTS for I forget how long.  The only reason an upgrade happened is because of component failures.  It's now an i5-2500k and 6870, only a couple months old.  I do game, and at 1920x1200 I've had no issues.  What's this urgent need to upgrade driven by?
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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 15:26:23 »
SB-e

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 15:43:19 »
What are you using this rig for?

And I wouldn't be concerned with cooling with any of these new intel lines (socket 1155 and up). It is so easy nowadays. The greatest strides I think they've made is the power consumption to performance area.

I run my 2500k at 4.5ghz with a single 5770 right now and pull like 30w from the wall while browsing (and not much more doing light gaming). Crazy stuff.
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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 16:09:45 »
How are you measuring that 30w?  I am pulling ~100w at idle with my 2500k and 6870 at stock measured w/ a Kill-A-Watt
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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 16:47:59 »
Kill-A-Watt here, too. Are you downclocking on idle w/ speedstep? Is your GPU fully downclocking?

Are you including your monitor?
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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 16:53:59 »
Well, my opinion is if you don't need PCI-E 3.0 then there really is no reason to upgrade. I probably will keep my 2600k although I may grab an ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe because I can not over clock on my current GIGABYTE H67 mobo. Yes, I'm rocking an ITX.
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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 17:03:17 »
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What are you using this rig for?

Gaming for the most part.

The main reasons I want to upgrade is that I cannot stream in HD on my current setup. (might be more video card related; running a HD5770)

But I also have an old server running a dual core xeon chip I would also love to upgrade using my old parts.

It just seems like the time to upgrade for me. Just trying to decide which route to take.
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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 17:06:17 »
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Gaming for the most part.

The main reasons I want to upgrade is that I cannot stream in HD on my current setup. (might be more video card related; running a HD5770)

But I also have an old server running a dual core xeon chip I would also love to upgrade using my old parts.

It just seems like the time to upgrade for me. Just trying to decide which route to take.

Sounds like your NIC might be your bottle neck.
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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 17:20:15 »
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Sounds like your NIC might be your bottle neck.

Wait my network card or my internet?

I have 20Mb/s upload. Internet speed is not an issue.
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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 17:22:46 »
Yeah, your network card or chip.
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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 17:36:32 »
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Yeah, your network card or chip.

wait what? that makes no sense
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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 18:07:31 »
Well, streaming HD should not be a challenge for the parts of the system that we already know about.  I had no issue with an e6750 and a 450GTS (even some older don't remember what nVidia card had no issue in the same system).
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« Reply #16 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 18:09:57 »
Dunno...but your VGA does not affect your network throughput what-so-ever. Streaming is network bandwidth only.
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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 18:13:50 »
Nighted, you're forgetting the bit where you have to decode whatever the stream is encoded in.
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« Reply #18 on: Tue, 24 April 2012, 19:59:28 »
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Nighted, you're forgetting the bit where you have to decode whatever the stream is encoded in.

Yes this. thought he was trolling lol


I think he is talking about netflix streaming and not live video game streaming
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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 05:06:02 »
Could you list you full system specs? I have a feeling that your going to wan to wait for haswell as well that is what I am doing with my i7 920.
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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 05:25:30 »
First gen i7 is no slouch. I would wait out on the upgrade unless you care about a slightly higher overclock and lower power consumption. I would skip out until the next die shrink on LGA2011.
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« Reply #21 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 13:52:24 »
I can stream 720P 30FPS with an i7 960 @ 3.3GHz with decent enough quality and some headroom to spare on the CPU while also recording to hard disk (using XSplit). If you're going for full 1080P then you might have to upgrade but 720P is usually good enough for now.
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« Reply #22 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 14:00:13 »
I would look towards your gpu.
The 5770 isn't that great a card, if you're into gaming, a gpu upgrade would be far more sensible.
A first gen i7 is still a beast of a cpu
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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 14:39:02 »
I'd agree with the above. Those Nehalem chips are still damn good chips. I mean, it's probably still debatable as to whether the old Core 2 chips are 'obsolete' yet...
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« Reply #24 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 14:46:26 »
If you're upgrading from a Q6600, would SB, SB-E or IB be the best upgrade?


I really feel like my CPU is bottle-necking my GTX570
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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 15:20:35 »
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If you're upgrading from a Q6600, would SB, SB-E or IB be the best upgrade?


I really feel like my CPU is bottle-necking my GTX570

Any of those are years ahead of a Q6600. I guess an Ivy Bridge since you mentioned it.
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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 15:44:00 »
FWIW I have a 6950 and I'm streaming ME2 and SC2 without issues. Some of that comes from the setup of XSplit as well. Perhaps giving us a little more info on what you're trying to do or looking more into your applications may help. Sometimes just turning down one of your settings makes everything a lot smoother. Disabling Aero also helps.
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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 16:25:41 »
It's a few things...some onboard NIC still aren't that great (I highly recommend the Intel PRO/1000 GT.).

Also for streaming HD games a lot of people (who want a reliable/stable solution) end up going with some additional dedicated hardware for encoding...either a breakout encoder or a separate PC entirely.  It's really expensive, sadly, and most of the equipment you can buy for it isn't very good.  The most success is had by the people running two PCs.
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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 16:39:36 »
Remember It's not a custom pc. It's a dell xps 8100

Can't overclock :mad:

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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 19:24:48 »
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Remember It's not a custom pc. It's a dell xps 8100

Can't overclock :mad:

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That processor is no slouch though since its a prebuild there isnt much that you can do upgrade wise. You may want to look into the GFX carp option and additional ram. If you are going to upgrade got with Ivy Bridge Sandy Bridge E is going to be too costly for what you need. If you give me a price range I could spec you out a new PC the brands that I most commonly use are listed here http://tinyurl.com/732dkeb . If you have other preference I would need to know.
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« Reply #30 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 21:17:18 »
The concern with SB-E is that it's one of those novelty enthusiast platforms.  Remember Socket 940/Athlon 64 FX?  Remember that weird last take on the Core 2 series (9775?) where they shoehorned two on an Xeon board?

Yeah, I'd be unsurprised if there isn't much of a path past Ivy Bridge, but OTOH, it's reasonably priced and common enough that there's gonna be some quality mainstream support out there.  (I tend to suspect a lot of the enthusiast boards are targeted to those who love to fix their machines more than use them)
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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 21:21:49 »
SB-E is not a novelty enthusiast platform. Its meant for Workstations and servers.
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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 23:04:37 »
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SB-E is not a novelty enthusiast platform. Its meant for Workstations and servers.


Workstations yes but not production servers. Would work well as a home server as well.

But they might have found the cause of the heat issue.



Source : http://www.overclockers.com/ivy-bridge-temperatures

They used TIM paste instead of fluxless solder.

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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 23:08:53 »
yes nearly the exact same chip is available for servers based on the same core architecture may not be called sandy brige e but its very close to the same thing with different features.
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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 26 April 2012, 05:31:31 »
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SB-E is not a novelty enthusiast platform. Its meant for Workstations and servers.

Just this!  In fact a trader friend of mine is going with a Xeon E5 2620 and 32GB of RAM for his proprietary platform.

It's still called Sandy Bridge-E.  (at least the E5-16XX are)
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« Reply #35 on: Tue, 01 May 2012, 21:14:23 »
Well, I know that I will be going for SB-E come this summer and my new rig. Going to go for a 3820 and just push it to around 4.5ghz or so. Overall, I think X79 is a much better platform than Z77, due to the higher number of native lanes quad channel RAM, and the better upgrade path.
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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 01 May 2012, 21:26:33 »
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Well, I know that I will be going for SB-E come this summer and my new rig. Going to go for a 3820 and just push it to around 4.5ghz or so. Overall, I think X79 is a much better platform than Z77, due to the higher number of native lanes quad channel RAM, and the better upgrade path.

My plans exactly :-)

Well I ordered my case early since it isn't on newegg (Lian Li A05NB) and it has a gnarly dent. Looks like he has more so gotta do an exchange. I would have been pissed if already had all my pc parts.
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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 01 May 2012, 23:49:09 »
damnit reptile, why didn't you buy my a05? (i just gave it away btw, hah!)
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« Reply #38 on: Wed, 02 May 2012, 02:01:53 »
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damnit reptile, why didn't you buy my a05? (i just gave it away btw, hah!)

Lol didn't know you still had it

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« Reply #39 on: Wed, 02 May 2012, 09:32:26 »
I am hoping to invest in a new processor soon as the Q8300 is starting to show it's age.

But I've read recently that the second that you touch the voltages, the temperatures skyrocket a fair amount.

However, these were engineering samples.
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« Reply #40 on: Wed, 02 May 2012, 09:55:44 »
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So far I've extended the life of an Intel Atom and Intel Duo with a simple SSD swap.

In this PostPC era it is a relief that from now on I'll just be buying faster and better tablets.  PC's are such a time sink.


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There used to be this guy on IRC who would, at any opportunity, mention his iPod (the fact that he HAD an iPod). "My iPod" this, "My iPod" that. Then there was another guy that would get on the transit and he's hold his iPod out in such a fashion as to display it almost saying, "Hey everyone, I have an iPod". Goddammit it was annoying.

Apple fan boys should be called "iTards".
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« Reply #41 on: Wed, 02 May 2012, 11:04:42 »
Hooray for good ebay sellers :-)

Since it was just the side panel I don't have to ship anything back. He is just sending a new side panel at no cost.

Here is his store link. http://stores.ebay.com/pcpartsplusmore

He has lots of Lian Li stuff :biggrin:
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« Reply #42 on: Wed, 02 May 2012, 11:58:25 »
i've since moved onto boring antecs. lilis are just too idiosyncratic
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« Reply #43 on: Wed, 02 May 2012, 18:57:27 »



UPS likes to stab my boxes :rip:
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« Reply #44 on: Wed, 02 May 2012, 20:19:01 »
ouch! that's pretty brutal.
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