Author Topic: Check your DSA SP caps before using. (Read 22583 times)

TD22057 · « **Reply #50 on:** Thu, 25 July 2013, 18:52:46 »

Quote from: megaxpop on Wed, 24 July 2013, 09:19:53

i'm very lucky cuz my DA retro is all good!

Nice. 25% of my caps are the "bad" kind.

Rule16 · « **Reply #51 on:** Fri, 26 July 2013, 14:26:12 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Wed, 24 July 2013, 09:14:16

Quote from: Rule16 on Tue, 23 July 2013, 17:50:25
Quote from: smknjoe on Mon, 22 July 2013, 22:42:09
All of Ripster's stuff used to be here before he was banned
Ripster got banned? What for?

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I haven't been browsing the forums regularly for a while now, so, what happened?

Glissant · « **Reply #52 on:** Fri, 26 July 2013, 14:46:00 »

I just saw this and I have the same issue with my black blank set that I got with my ergodox from the very first group buy. I was wondering why I was pulling whole switch tops off when trying to remove the caps xD.

funkymeeba · « **Reply #53 on:** Fri, 26 July 2013, 14:48:13 »

I thought croissants were supposed to have a gentle, flaky touch? What happened?

I wonder if any of my dyed caps are like this. I still haven't found any.

Binge · « **Reply #54 on:** Fri, 26 July 2013, 14:54:07 »

I have some PBT blanks that just arrived and have the defective bases... I noticed it after one of my caps took a long time to put on, and so I tried to take it off. It took 20 minutes to take it off and the switch came half way apart...

funkymeeba · « **Reply #55 on:** Fri, 26 July 2013, 14:55:57 »

Has anyone been in touch with SP about it?

Binge · « **Reply #56 on:** Fri, 26 July 2013, 14:58:46 »

Glissant · « **Reply #57 on:** Fri, 26 July 2013, 15:06:05 »

Yeah I see the same on the set you made for my wife, meebaws. And of course I have a buttery smooth flaky touch, but sometimes the rage of an old croissant comes through and rips the world apart

funkymeeba · « **Reply #58 on:** Fri, 26 July 2013, 15:18:19 »

Are all of the caps in that set weirded out or only some?

Glissant · « **Reply #59 on:** Fri, 26 July 2013, 15:43:09 »

I only see it on some caps. Not going to go through the whole bunch to see how many, but it's clear that the stems aren't forming as they should =)
I can't believe people haven't noticed this before xD

funkymeeba · « **Reply #60 on:** Fri, 26 July 2013, 16:11:39 »

Yeah, I guess you're right. I pulled 15 random caps out of the big bag I got from SP (1x DSA PBT, UP color) and 3 of them are the weirded out ones. I am quite confused by this.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #61 on:** Fri, 26 July 2013, 16:16:35 »

So should someone contact SP?

Binge · « **Reply #62 on:** Fri, 26 July 2013, 16:35:12 »

Nobody else has submitted concern to SP AFAIK

Rule16 · « **Reply #63 on:** Sun, 28 July 2013, 19:55:14 »

No one can tell me why Ripster was banned?

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #64 on:** Sun, 28 July 2013, 21:53:09 »

Quote from: Rule16 on Sun, 28 July 2013, 19:55:14

No one can tell me why Ripster was banned?

Well in a thread about DSA caps fitting too tight is probably not the right place.

Try pm'ing a mod and asking.

whiteduck · « **Reply #65 on:** Sun, 28 July 2013, 23:25:09 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Sun, 28 July 2013, 21:53:09

Quote from: Rule16 on Sun, 28 July 2013, 19:55:14
No one can tell me why Ripster was banned?

Well in a thread about DSA caps fitting too tight is probably not the right place.

Try pm'ing a mod and asking.

This isn't the worst spot to ask... He LOVED SP keys and pointed out his affection frequently...

Lol...

aileron · « **Reply #66 on:** Wed, 07 August 2013, 12:17:38 »

Had the same issue with the PBT DSA blanks packages. Close to 10% look wrong :-(

Anyone know of a workaround? File down the corners maybe?

tricheboars · « **Reply #67 on:** Wed, 07 August 2013, 15:51:36 »

man. i hope the dolch replica sets that Team REDLINE are getting made by SP dont have this issue....

bazemk1979 · « **Reply #68 on:** Wed, 07 August 2013, 16:12:01 »

I PM'd Demoligato and Druger regarding this issue, hopefully the Druger can get in touch with SP before the DSA Dolch goes into production.

domoaligato · « **Reply #69 on:** Wed, 07 August 2013, 16:40:38 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Fri, 26 July 2013, 16:16:35

So should someone contact SP?

sent!

rowdy · « **Reply #70 on:** Wed, 07 August 2013, 18:29:21 »

I'm gradually amassing a small collection of retro DSA novelty keycaps, and none of them have exhibited this so.

domoaligato · « **Reply #71 on:** Wed, 07 August 2013, 20:18:03 »

I am not having a issue but I have mx reds and mx blacks

novelty dsa caps....

I bought all of the techkeys.us green retro novelty key caps..

wasd set wad has the special stem marking and S is what has the standard flat stem
geekhack has a standard flat stem
all of the arrows have the standard flat stem

the same "special" stem pattern is also present on all of the keys I have from techkeys.us and keypop that are standard dcs profile.

my guess is that it doesn't have anything to do with the special pattern but warping that may have occurred during manufacturing.
does anyone have a way of measuring the gap sizes of the cross pattern to determine if the gaps could be modded to be at spec?

domoaligato · « **Reply #72 on:** Wed, 07 August 2013, 20:35:06 »

Quote from: tricheboars on Wed, 07 August 2013, 15:51:36

man. i hope the dolch replica sets that Team REDLINE are getting made by SP dont have this issue....

fyi I am not part of team redline

just want to make sure that is clear.
that is why I was allowed to use the otd.kr molds for the dsa stepped capslock keys

domoaligato · « **Reply #73 on:** Thu, 08 August 2013, 13:02:33 »

Domo-
We looked into our tooling and have isolated the 'core pins' that are giving you trouble. We won't be using these core pins on any future GH group buys. I was hoping you could answer one question for me though -

Are people having trouble with the larger size keys that have more than one stem on them?
I know they may 'look' like the others, but I wasn't sure if they were a problem.
Thanks!

SP

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #74 on:** Thu, 08 August 2013, 13:50:48 »

Quote from: domoaligato on Thu, 08 August 2013, 13:02:33

Domo-
We looked into our tooling and have isolated the 'core pins' that are giving you trouble. We won't be using these core pins on any future GH group buys. I was hoping you could answer one question for me though -

Are people having trouble with the larger size keys that have more than one stem on them?
I know they may 'look' like the others, but I wasn't sure if they were a problem.
Thanks!

SP

So what about all the keys that have been made that have problems

domoaligato · « **Reply #75 on:** Thu, 08 August 2013, 13:53:30 »

I would contact the organizer of the groupbuy you have an issue with.
I was only asked to see if someone could help answer that question about the larger size multiple stem keycaps...

BimboBB · « **Reply #76 on:** Thu, 08 August 2013, 17:04:46 »

Didnt had any problem with the DSA Retro caps at all.

The problem with the larger keys are maybe that they are little bit to loose....but this can be easily fixed by putting some thin paper inside the stem.

domoaligato · « **Reply #77 on:** Thu, 08 August 2013, 17:32:25 »

Quote from: BimboBB on Thu, 08 August 2013, 17:04:46

Didnt had any problem with the DSA Retro caps at all.

The problem with the larger keys are maybe that they are little bit to loose....but this can be easily fixed by putting some thin paper inside the stem.

what cherry mx switches are you using?

BimboBB · « **Reply #78 on:** Fri, 09 August 2013, 02:59:07 »

I used them only on mx reds yet. maybe i should mention that I had the looseness problems only with these tiny white costar stab inserts....they just dont hold...and you have to add some paper to keep them in the stem.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #79 on:** Fri, 09 August 2013, 04:05:05 »

Quote from: BimboBB on Fri, 09 August 2013, 02:59:07

I used them only on mx reds yet. maybe i should mention that I had the looseness problems only with these tiny white costar stab inserts....they just dont hold...and you have to add some paper to keep them in the stem.

That's fairly normal for costar stabs.

pr1me · « **Reply #80 on:** Fri, 09 August 2013, 04:20:30 »

I didn't have a problem fitting the caps, but i had one cap weirdly shaped

danielucf · « **Reply #81 on:** Fri, 09 August 2013, 07:26:51 »

Quote from: pr1me on Fri, 09 August 2013, 04:20:30

I didn't have a problem fitting the caps, but i had one cap weirdly shaped

That is a deep dish, perfect for "F" or "J" or what ever keys other layouts use to help you find the home row.

pr1me · « **Reply #82 on:** Fri, 09 August 2013, 07:33:49 »

oh, i see, thanks for clearing that up

Glissant · « **Reply #83 on:** Fri, 09 August 2013, 07:55:28 »

There was never a problem fitting them, the problem starts when you want to take them off.
I wish I cared enough to actually test every single one of the dsa blanks I have, but I don't, so I won't.

Binge · « **Reply #84 on:** Fri, 09 August 2013, 13:28:59 »

So glad they won't be using those pins any longer. It was really sh!tty to break switches over trying to swap my keycaps.

Domo is the boss. DSA gb runners were notified and nothing had been done. To my own fault I was also unable to contact SP in a timely fashion.

3 cheers for Domo!

domoaligato · « **Reply #85 on:** Fri, 09 August 2013, 14:12:59 »

Matt3o and samwisekoi are incredible. they deserve some thanks for all the hard work they put in on the dsa retro GB.
I really need more information to report back to SP.

Binge,
could you look at your keys that are larger then 1x and tell me if any of them have the stems effected by these "pins"

also binge.... what cherry switches did you have this issue with... was it clears. I am trying to narrow this down for them.

Binge · « **Reply #86 on:** Fri, 09 August 2013, 14:24:27 »

Quote from: domoaligato on Thu, 08 August 2013, 13:02:33

Domo-
We looked into our tooling and have isolated the 'core pins' that are giving you trouble. We won't be using these core pins on any future GH group buys. I was hoping you could answer one question for me though -

Are people having trouble with the larger size keys that have more than one stem on them?
I know they may 'look' like the others, but I wasn't sure if they were a problem.
Thanks!

SP

No problems with the larger sized caps, but none of them have the "bad" pins

I was using cherry white stems which were the worst. The reds I have do not have such severe issues.

domoaligato · « **Reply #87 on:** Fri, 09 August 2013, 15:17:57 »

thanks I will send this to SP

frew · « **Reply #88 on:** Wed, 14 August 2013, 10:55:43 »

I just got the plastic keycap puller from SP. Highly recommend: http://keycapsdirect.com/marketplace.php

domoaligato · « **Reply #89 on:** Wed, 14 August 2013, 12:13:33 »

Quote from: frew on Wed, 14 August 2013, 10:55:43

I just got the plastic keycap puller from SP. Highly recommend: http://keycapsdirect.com/marketplace.php

this will not help with the situation discussed in the thread.
the other one that is made with paper clips will though as it will get between the switch top and the keycap.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #90 on:** Wed, 14 August 2013, 12:53:32 »

Quote from: domoaligato on Wed, 14 August 2013, 12:13:33

Quote from: frew on Wed, 14 August 2013, 10:55:43
I just got the plastic keycap puller from SP. Highly recommend: http://keycapsdirect.com/marketplace.php

this will not help with the situation discussed in the thread.
the other one that is made with paper clips will though as it will get between the switch top and the keycap.

like this one? (Hamblet made these

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MTManiac · « **Reply #91 on:** Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:12:01 »

Quote from: Hamblet on Sun, 21 July 2013, 00:27:31

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neoezekiel · « **Reply #92 on:** Wed, 21 August 2013, 11:20:15 »

Quote from: MOZ on Mon, 15 July 2013, 21:05:55

Broken switches ouch. I broke a switch on my Ducky 5mins from getting it from the mailman,

I did the same thing with my Ducky 9008 g2 Clear, a solution to the bad caps is to gently file the inside with a jeweler's file or a small hobby file. if you take too much out you can always shim the cap with teflon tape.

I have noticed that this happens on all kinds of caps not just new ABS Doubles, I have an old Wyse board that did this this morning.

The only solution I have found is to be really gentle, take it slow, and wiggle the cap from side to side while removing it. Taking them off at an angle helps to not rip the stem out of the switch as well. Luckily though the only thing that tends to get torn up is the top of the switch housing and occasionally the stem, if it is just the housing top it is a pretty easy fix; swap in a new top.

This is why it is a great idea to keep spare switches around.

MOZ · « **Reply #93 on:** Thu, 22 August 2013, 23:55:23 »

Extra switches, yeah. I've swapped out one switch (the one I destroyed), and you never know that you have to file the stem or do somethting else until you find out it is too tight

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Author Topic: Check your DSA SP caps before using. (Read 22583 times)