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Re: [IC] R0 // R5 Modern Compatibility Kit for Classic Sets
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 09 June 2019, 00:52:17 »
Icon mods? ;D

pls no

If it's going to be on a different set with a different MOQ, I don't see why not. It's only a suggestion so I'm fine either way

Did you mean bottom row Icon mods? If so, I don't think I'd want to go that route :) It'd be difficult to create another kit and hit MOQ for that.

Yes please! N9/CC for Dolch would even be better

I was heavily considering Dolch as well, but adding that would bring the kit up to 113 keys :(

don't need to bloat the kit anymore. Actually I think it might be better if you run just the beige key, then the WoB/Dolch on the 2nd and 3rd run. That way the kit is minimised, prices should be lower and people don't feel like they waste half the set

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« Reply #51 on: Sun, 09 June 2019, 06:18:04 »
don't need to bloat the kit anymore. Actually I think it might be better if you run just the beige key, then the WoB/Dolch on the 2nd and 3rd run. That way the kit is minimised, prices should be lower and people don't feel like they waste half the set

That's close to what I was going to ask right now - would it be feasible to have two separate kits (three if Dolch should be added) on the GB? I'd be all over the beige but wouldn't care for the WoB, for example, and this way I wouldn't need to put half the set away.

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« Reply #52 on: Sun, 09 June 2019, 13:14:28 »
don't need to bloat the kit anymore. Actually I think it might be better if you run just the beige key, then the WoB/Dolch on the 2nd and 3rd run. That way the kit is minimised, prices should be lower and people don't feel like they waste half the set

That's close to what I was going to ask right now - would it be feasible to have two separate kits (three if Dolch should be added) on the GB? I'd be all over the beige but wouldn't care for the WoB, for example, and this way I wouldn't need to put half the set away.

I was considering this, but I'm worried that, individually, they won't make MOQ.

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« Reply #53 on: Sun, 09 June 2019, 13:17:10 »
don't need to bloat the kit anymore. Actually I think it might be better if you run just the beige key, then the WoB/Dolch on the 2nd and 3rd run. That way the kit is minimised, prices should be lower and people don't feel like they waste half the set

That's close to what I was going to ask right now - would it be feasible to have two separate kits (three if Dolch should be added) on the GB? I'd be all over the beige but wouldn't care for the WoB, for example, and this way I wouldn't need to put half the set away.

I was considering this, but I'm worried that, individually, they won't make MOQ.

I'm quite sure these things will sort themselves on classifieds.

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« Reply #54 on: Sun, 09 June 2019, 13:18:15 »
My thoughts as well, if you don't want it. Someone will!

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« Reply #55 on: Mon, 10 June 2019, 16:03:18 »
Very ready!  :thumb:

Edit. Whats the color for the beige kit?
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« Reply #56 on: Mon, 10 June 2019, 20:22:28 »
Very ready!  :thumb:

Edit. Whats the color for the beige kit?

Hopefully L9 and U9 or this whole thing is a bust.

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« Reply #57 on: Mon, 10 June 2019, 23:13:40 »
Very ready!  :thumb:

Edit. Whats the color for the beige kit?

Hopefully L9 and U9 or this whole thing is a bust.

It's using custom RGB codes that I personally chose.

Just kidding, L9 and U9 of course LOL

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« Reply #58 on: Mon, 10 June 2019, 23:34:52 »
I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.

In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.

Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.
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« Reply #59 on: Mon, 10 June 2019, 23:59:51 »
I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.

In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.

Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.

wut? mods are U9 and alphas are L9.  It's not L9 vs U9.  :eek:

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« Reply #60 on: Tue, 11 June 2019, 00:12:46 »
count me in on this! love my beige colors :)

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« Reply #61 on: Tue, 11 June 2019, 07:02:23 »
I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.

In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.

Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.

wut? mods are U9 and alphas are L9.  It's not L9 vs U9.  :eek:

Pretty sure they mean L9 + U9 vs CR, but even then i'm pretty sure they're wrong. WoB is an incredibly popular colourway, it's essentially standard.

Would be nice to confirm the legend colour for the WoB, since newer sets use WS1 but apparently earlier sets might use something different?

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« Reply #62 on: Tue, 11 June 2019, 07:37:13 »
I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout. Drop the whole unfair shtick, if you feel there's something in a kit you don't need and it's "unfair", you might want to look towards other hobbies.

I think this kit fills many voids in compatibility, and Beige (L9 and U9) and WoB (CR) are both pretty darn popular colors spanning many different decades.

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« Reply #63 on: Tue, 11 June 2019, 22:59:06 »
I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.

In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.

Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.

wut? mods are U9 and alphas are L9.  It's not L9 vs U9.  :eek:

Pretty sure they mean L9 + U9 vs CR, but even then i'm pretty sure they're wrong. WoB is an incredibly popular colourway, it's essentially standard.

Would be nice to confirm the legend colour for the WoB, since newer sets use WS1 but apparently earlier sets might use something different?

I'll be using WS1 for WoB, idea is that if someone wants to try out the profile, they could purchase this kit along with GMK Classic retro and WoB/ Originative- which are readily available right now.

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« Reply #65 on: Wed, 12 June 2019, 12:41:31 »
I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.

You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.


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« Reply #66 on: Wed, 12 June 2019, 12:48:28 »
I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.

You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.

Percentage-wise sure, but that's not on the same scale. This is a relatively small set, so the cost will be smaller accordingly.

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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 12 June 2019, 12:52:24 »
I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.

You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.

Percentage-wise sure, but that's not on the same scale. This is a relatively small set, so the cost will be smaller accordingly.

Of course, but it IS a factor to take into account instead of offhandedly discarding it.


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« Reply #68 on: Wed, 12 June 2019, 15:26:10 »
I feel like the beige is definitely more popular than the black and things won't really sort themselves in the second hand market because anyone that wants this set will be sure to buy it just in case.

In my opinion it would be wise to take a strawpoll or google form to see how much interest there really is in L9 vs U9.

Based on my assumption that L9 is more popular and that it will be able to meet MOQ on it's own, I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

that's my 2 cents, a poll would definitely help to get more concrete info.

My worry is that it won't meet MOQ on it's own. Splitting the kits up eventually lead me to having two separate MOQ's which is more difficult to reach than one. There is enough interest for WoB AND Beige, according to the interest check I put up, its pretty much 50/50.

I think it's "unfair" for the L9 buyers to have to be paying a higher cost for unnecessary keys just so the U9 buyers can have the keys they want produced.

Every set has extra keys that someone doesn't need chief. Problem is, those keys are for compatibility and if they weren't there many sets wouldn't exist because buyers would pass on them since they do not fit their preferred layout.

You do have a point, BUT... it's one thing to have a few extra keys that amount to ~15% of the entire kit, and another one to have a kit where 50% (fifty per cent) of the kit is going to be unused from the very start. It's kind of a lot.

Unlike other GMK kits, you can most definitely split this up and sell it aftermarket. It's not like a 60% user purchasing a GMK set and selling off the other keys they don't use.

People always miss group buys, there is always a second hand market.


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« Reply #69 on: Wed, 12 June 2019, 16:27:44 »
Unlike other GMK kits, you can most definitely split this up and sell it aftermarket. It's not like a 60% user purchasing a GMK set and selling off the other keys they don't use.

People always miss group buys, there is always a second hand market.

Agreed - I'm planning to go halves with a friend who has GMK 9009 (and I have WoB)  :D

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Very ready!  :thumb:

Edit. Whats the color for the beige kit?

Hopefully L9 and U9 or this whole thing is a bust.

It's using custom RGB codes that I personally chose.

Just kidding, L9 and U9 of course LOL

Does that match "hellgrau" ?

OK, i know its a long shot since you guys are already talking about splitting kits n lowering cost etc ^-^

But, but can we please add support for Alcatel caps? Would be freaking superior  :cool:

Am i not to sure about the colors atm but can figure that out. The hellgrau of some sort, does someone here know the GMK color match for them?

basic support, i think it would just need these

R1: 2u Backspace
R4: 1.75u Right Shift, 1u FN
R5: 1.5u ( Left Alt ), 1u ( Left GUI ), 1.5u ( Right Alt ) 1u ( Right GUI ), 1.75u Right Shift


Optional
ISO Enter
Ansi Enter

Anyway i am definitely not splitting my loot :p

Edit.

For full Alcatel support ANSI & ISO should be this + 7u spacebar  :p
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But, but can we please add support for Alcatel caps? Would be freaking superior  :cool:

Am i not to sure about the colors atm but can figure that out. The hellgrau of some sort, does someone here know the GMK color match for them?

basic support, i think it would just need these

R1: 2u Backspace
R4: 1.75u Right Shift, 1u FN
R5: 1.5u ( Left Alt ), 1u ( Left GUI ), 1.5u ( Right Alt ) 1u ( Right GUI ), 1.75u Right Shift


Optional
ISO Enter
Ansi Enter

Anyway i am definitely not splitting my loot :p

Edit.

For full Alcatel support ANSI & ISO should be this + 7u spacebar  :p
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An Alcatel set is sufficiently different to warrant a separate GB, with its own color, and its own set of key caps (tailored to the MMX with minimal losses). So it should be the keys in your graphic, plus 2U numpad 0, numpad comma, numpad period (those in R4), R3 Tab, R2-3 numpad+ (plus a R1 = key because I say so). Perhaps an R2 1.5U Backspace key as well, because why not.

IMHO. YMMV. WDIKAA. And I'll take two sets of this, please!

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But, but can we please add support for Alcatel caps? Would be freaking superior  :cool:

Am i not to sure about the colors atm but can figure that out. The hellgrau of some sort, does someone here know the GMK color match for them?

basic support, i think it would just need these

R1: 2u Backspace
R4: 1.75u Right Shift, 1u FN
R5: 1.5u ( Left Alt ), 1u ( Left GUI ), 1.5u ( Right Alt ) 1u ( Right GUI ), 1.75u Right Shift


Optional
ISO Enter
Ansi Enter

Anyway i am definitely not splitting my loot :p

Edit.

For full Alcatel support ANSI & ISO should be this + 7u spacebar  :p
(Attachment Link)

(Attachment Link)

An Alcatel set is sufficiently different to warrant a separate GB, with its own color, and its own set of key caps (tailored to the MMX with minimal losses). So it should be the keys in your graphic, plus 2U numpad 0, numpad comma, numpad period (those in R4), R3 Tab, R2-3 numpad+ (plus a R1 = key because I say so). Perhaps an R2 1.5U Backspace key as well, because why not.

IMHO. YMMV. WDIKAA. And I'll take two sets of this, please!

Would love to take 2 kits as well :D

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I rather have it included in in this GB, Trim some keys down to only support WKL / Tsangan layout as it already contains 2x R5 1.5u "ctrl" keys.
Use a accent or reg OG ANSI/ISO Enter ( To keep it minimum ), cross fingers OP thinks its a good idea. :)

Imho, i rather pay the extra $$$ to gain 3 new sets in one go.
If the majority of the buyers only have 1 OG set ( OG WoB / OG beige ). I totally get why this just have to be slimmed down and people can slit the kit etc. :)

Here is a shot where i use the alcatel alphas with 9009 mods. Its a HS60 pcb, locked to 6.25 bottom row. Cry, but aleast i get to use the OG spacebar  ^-^
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