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【Welcome to ePBT Aesthetic】

Inspired by the vaporwave visual themes of Floral Shoppe and Arizona Green Tea.
ePBT Aesthetic seeks to bring out the beauty of these themes and colors.
Formerly introduced as GMK Cherry Blossom (and then KAT Aesthetic), I've sought to improve this set, and I'm very pleased with the result.
Whether you just enjoy the colors, or are a full weeb, there is a kit for you in ePBT Aesthetic.


【Group Buy Update and Feedback】

Unfortunately, I received notice last month from Keyreative that KAT Aesthetic would be indefinitely on hold while they improve their tooling.
In order to continue with the group buy in the best way possible, we have moved to ePBT. Group Buy will go from March 1st to April 1st!

I realize this feels like short notice and possibly like 'too late for feedback', but in the year and a half that this IC has existed there has been a ton of feedback taken and improvements made.
I'm confident we have a product that people will love here. That being said, I've created a form to take any last-minute issues with the set into account before Group Buy starts.

Please fill out the final IC Form if you feel so inclined! https://forms.gle/VRnwvY8DVn6SpAu1A

Join the discussion in the Aesthetic channel of my Discord server!

【Kits】

Base Kit


Katakana Alt Alphas Kit


Alt Mods Kit


Novelties Kit


Spacebars Kit and Minibars Kit


Numpad Kit


40s Kit


UK ISO Kit


International Kit



【Deskmats】

Fuji by OneCreativeMind


Cityscape by 1stGarden (prints available shipping now!)



【Renders】

TGR Alice by yuktsi


Sunsetter by Charue Designs


Sprawl by Dededecline x Fropsie


J-02 by Prototypist


Whiskey by Bregoli


Iron180 by Smith + Rune


More renders can be seen here https://imgur.com/gallery/NohMpMq

【Colors】


【Collabs】

Deskmat: The incredible 1stGarden created the Cityscape deskmat.
Prints available for purchase on his site!

Keyboards: I am collaborating with SMKeyboards on ePBTAesthetic-themed acrylic keyboards!
Check out a preview of the pink acrylic here!

Artisans: Confirmed collaborations:
GSK
GTB
Asero Foundry
shirouu caps
deagcaps
Capsmiths
Latrialum


【Vendors】

USA: CannonKeys
Canada: Deskhero
Europe: mykeyboard.eu
UK: Prototypist
Oceania: Daily Clack
SEA: Monokei
Worldwide: KBDFans

【Thank You】

OneCreativeMind for the novelties and deskmat/banderole design
Plop for diving headfirst into helping me with templates and renders as this set moved from KAT to ePBT. Seriously an MVP.
Marco for the fantastic and speedy KAT Aesthetic renders
Ulliam for the icon mods
Everyone over on my Discord server for tons of feedback, support, and patience
Konstantin, NoPunIn10Did, and MiTo for going above and beyond in providing invaluable feedback on this set
Yuktsi for allowing use of the TGR Alice for renders
Fropsie for all his help with the Sprawl
Charue Designs/DotMatrix for allowing use of the Sunsetter for renders
Smith + Rune for allowing use of the Iron165 for renders
Bregoli for allowing use of the Whiskey for renders




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Offline OtherAndrew

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 14 July 2019, 18:55:58 »
gmk watermelon

Offline HappySlice

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 14 July 2019, 19:01:19 »
Needs more white. Cherry blossom festival in DC always had tons of white. The color of the alphas doesnt make sense to me. Love the color of the mods though
« Last Edit: Sun, 14 July 2019, 19:05:39 by HappySlice »

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 14 July 2019, 19:19:03 »
I think making the alphas white with green legends with look better, but that is just my thought. But I still do think it looks v nice.

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 14 July 2019, 19:43:45 »
NE yellow/gold avail?

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 14 July 2019, 19:45:24 »
Oooo the colors on this are really nice, though I think maybe white alphas and green as accents on enter and esc might look nicer.

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 14 July 2019, 21:15:24 »
gmk starbucks

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 14 July 2019, 21:29:46 »
In 4 deskmat

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 14 July 2019, 21:52:12 »
Agreed the green is too much.

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 14 July 2019, 22:36:26 »
I'd be interested.

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 14 July 2019, 23:19:03 »
Yeah a bit too much green. I would like the deskpad more if it didn't have the text on it as well.

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 14 July 2019, 23:58:14 »
If this isnt an homage to arizona tea I dont know what this color scheme is.

Offline pheonix991

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 00:02:02 »
If this isnt an homage to arizona tea I dont know what this color scheme is.

This is exactly that.

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 01:03:11 »
I agree with everyone else, too much green for a cherry blossom themed set...

Like the design of the deskmat for the most part but I'm also not a big fan of the katakana on it.  Aesthetic?  But why?

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 06:32:21 »
I think the set might be better with the mods colours being the colour of alphas, the green colour of the alphas being the colour of the legends, and the colour of the mods being swapped with the white of the spacebars/novelties. If you're going the floral shoppe route.
That being said, the deskmat is great. I just don't really like the dark pink 7432c pantone

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 06:43:21 »
Think youre missing ISO keys in base!

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 08:28:20 »
Personal opinion.
The green doesn't fit so well.

Offline neutralstate

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 08:54:52 »
If this isnt an homage to arizona tea I dont know what this color scheme is.

This is exactly that.

total agreement here



that said, its a unique and cool looking set.
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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 09:30:09 »
Unfortunately gonna have to be that guy...

The katakana you have for what I can only guess is meant to transliterate to "aesthetic" is incorrect. The correct way to write this in katakana would be "エステティック".

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 09:52:31 »
Unfortunately gonna have to be that guy...

The katakana you have for what I can only guess is meant to transliterate to "aesthetic" is incorrect. The correct way to write this in katakana would be "エステティック".
Incorrect translations is a staple of vaporwave themed merch gotta keep with the theme

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 13:28:18 »
Unfortunately gonna have to be that guy...

The katakana you have for what I can only guess is meant to transliterate to "aesthetic" is incorrect. The correct way to write this in katakana would be "エステティック".
Incorrect translations is a staple of vaporwave themed merch gotta keep with the theme

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 14:07:29 »
99c novelty cap for the Arizona Iced Tea can price?  What is the woman's head novelty cap for?  Agreeing with others that the green clashes with that pink.  Doesn't make me think about Cherry Blossoms at all.  Cherry blossom trees don't have any green leaves on them when in bloom--very dark off-black bark and pink flowers.  Olive green flower stems mostly obscured by the flowers.  I've photographed a lot of cherry blossoms over the years.
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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 15:33:26 »
Just call it "Green Tea".

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 16:03:24 »
Def needs more white. Maybe white legends on the mods and alphas? Idk :P

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 17:32:47 »
This colorway is really perfect for a project of mine...

I have 2 Lo-Pro Planck cases from Drop: one pink and one green.

Might have to buy two pairs of some of these kits, we'll see...

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 21:23:47 »
Unfortunately gonna have to be that guy...

The katakana you have for what I can only guess is meant to transliterate to "aesthetic" is incorrect. The correct way to write this in katakana would be "エステティック".

Actually エステティック comes from the French word "esthtique" and refers to beauty treatments.  It's not the same as "aesthetic".


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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 22:25:42 »
99c novelty cap for the Arizona Iced Tea can price?  What is the woman's head novelty cap for?  Agreeing with others that the green clashes with that pink.  Doesn't make me think about Cherry Blossoms at all.  Cherry blossom trees don't have any green leaves on them when in bloom--very dark off-black bark and pink flowers.  Olive green flower stems mostly obscured by the flowers.  I've photographed a lot of cherry blossoms over the years.

the colors are arizona tea cans. novelties are bits of the three inspirations: the tea, some vaporwave genre music album, and cherry blossoms. Its mentioned in the original post, but i had to look up the album mentioned to find the genre. I believe the colors are a little more saturated than the actual cans but its likely done to help tie in the vaporwave aesthetic more. My bf hated the old school windows and apple keys, but that just part of the visual side of the vaporwave music. the woman is, im pretty sure, just supposed to be a head sculpture of a Japanese woman. sculptures are another vaporwave thing. Along with the palm tree and the retro sun. The use of random japanese is as well.

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 22:34:23 »
Hmm.. Why have I got a sudden craving for ice cream?
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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 15 July 2019, 22:47:54 »
Getting more of a salt water taffy vibe...

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 16 July 2019, 08:28:47 »
That's a killer set, would love to jump on this set - it would make the wifey very happy for me to customize her OCN Edition Ducky (she swiped from me lol)

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 16 July 2019, 09:11:35 »
Mmm, it looks too much like DSA Magic Girl. Maybe you could swap out the mint green for a lighter pink or white?
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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 19 July 2019, 22:35:31 »
Any update if the colors will be changed?

Offline pheonix991

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 19 July 2019, 23:13:15 »
This is GMK Arizona Green Tea, not Cherry Blossom.

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #33 on: Sat, 20 July 2019, 19:05:10 »
Mmm, it looks too much like DSA Magic Girl. Maybe you could swap out the mint green for a lighter pink or white?

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 04:17:02 »
I really like the colors used on the Arizona Iced Tea can so I'm interested to see how this set ends up. A name change could help since it appears many people expect the colors to be based off of an actual physical cherry blossom rather than an abstract theme or feeling.
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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 09:58:10 »
is this project dead?

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 08 June 2020, 11:27:29 »
I really want that desk mat.

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Re: [IC] GMK Cherry Blossom
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 14 June 2020, 15:54:08 »
Hey y'all, I know it's been awhile but this set is still in the works! In hindsight I should have held off on opening this IC, as I got married just a month later. I will update the main post once I have renders, but here's what's in the works:

* Moving to KAT! I wanted to offer some very cool kits that, of course, are limited by GMK kitting. KAT and its MOQ system will allow for a lot more flexibility and creativity
* Name has been changed! One of the most common pieces of feedback I received, regardless of how people felt about the colors, is that the name didn't accurately reflect the expectations for the colors. GMK Cherry Blossom is now KAT Aesthetic.
* Papithered is helping me out with some custom icon mods! Those will go up with or slightly after the updated renders.
* I have fine-tuned and modified some of the colors. I have the pantone chips and think it'll look great.

Apologies for the delay on this, I will be pushing to have a huge update by the end of the month!

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic (FKA GMK Cherry Blossom)
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 15 June 2020, 07:11:34 »
Hey y'all, I know it's been awhile but this set is still in the works! In hindsight I should have held off on opening this IC, as I got married just a month later. I will update the main post once I have renders, but here's what's in the works:

* Moving to KAT! I wanted to offer some very cool kits that, of course, are limited by GMK kitting. KAT and its MOQ system will allow for a lot more flexibility and creativity
* Name has been changed! One of the most common pieces of feedback I received, regardless of how people felt about the colors, is that the name didn't accurately reflect the expectations for the colors. GMK Cherry Blossom is now KAT Aesthetic.
* Papithered is helping me out with some custom icon mods! Those will go up with or slightly after the updated renders.
* I have fine-tuned and modified some of the colors. I have the pantone chips and think it'll look great.

Apologies for the delay on this, I will be pushing to have a huge update by the end of the month!
Cant wait for the new updates. Gratz on your marriage.

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic (FKA GMK Cherry Blossom)
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 15 June 2020, 10:41:08 »
Congrats and glad you did not let the set die also white alphas ?

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic (FKA GMK Cherry Blossom)
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 15 June 2020, 15:35:25 »
Congrats and glad you did not let the set die also white alphas ?

White alphas confirmed   :D

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic (FKA GMK Cherry Blossom)
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 19:47:26 »
Awesome, looking forward to the progress on this set :)


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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic (FKA GMK Cherry Blossom)
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 28 July 2020, 04:15:15 »
Any updates on this?

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic (FKA GMK Cherry Blossom)
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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic (FKA GMK Cherry Blossom)
« Reply #44 on: Sun, 09 August 2020, 12:50:46 »
OMG I want this sooo muchh, for me it looks soo coool and the novelties :eek: I DEF WANT THIS

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 12:32:31 »
I know it's been awhile, but KAT Aesthetic is here! Check out the new kits, colors, icons, and renders!

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 12:36:40 »
Love this update.  A new reference standard in spacebar kitting.  Icons and Novelties are hot. 

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 13:01:23 »
Beautiful design, dude. Really loving the new remake, really could see this becoming very popular. Any chance of white on pink novelites? :D

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 13:06:20 »
Pog

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 13:08:28 »
A few points of feedback:

Minibars kit:
 
  • You can safely drop the 2x 1u green spacebars because they are already offered in the ortho/40s kit and there are not any larger layouts which utilize 2x 1u spacebars
  • Because you already offer them in green in the 40s/Ortho kit, I recommend dropping the white and pink 2x 1u spacebars. This frees up 6u of space in the minibars kits. I doubt anyone picking up the 40s/Ortho kit will also pick up minibars just for different colored 1u spacebars.
  • In my opinion, you can drop all of the 1.25u spacebars from the minibars kit as you have plenty of 1.25u mod options which can be utilized instead. 

40s/Ortho kit:
  • There appears to be two R2 1.5u "Enter" keys offered. You only need one.
  • 40s layouts which utilize a 1.75u spacebar use two and not one (JD40/45). However, since you offer the R1 1.75u lock key (for Minivan), it is not strictly necessary to add a second 1.75u spacebar as this key could be used as a spacebar.

Novelties:
  • I really like these. Well done!



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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 16:48:43 »
Love the idea.  One of my favourite spring ink combinations are the iroshizuku chiku-rin with kosumosu. 

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that I think a lighter shade of green should work better.  It's too strong of a green, and I believe that instead of complimenting the pink, I think it overpowers it instead.

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 17:32:03 »
I just need a date, these are ready to go in my eyes lmaooo

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #52 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 18:09:23 »
A few points of feedback:

Minibars kit:
  • You can safely drop the 2x 1u green spacebars because they are already offered in the ortho/40s kit and there are not any larger layouts which utilize 2x 1u spacebars
  • Because you already offer them in green in the 40s/Ortho kit, I recommend dropping the white and pink 2x 1u spacebars. This frees up 6u of space in the minibars kits. I doubt anyone picking up the 40s/Ortho kit will also pick up minibars just for different colored 1u spacebars.
  • In my opinion, you can drop all of the 1.25u spacebars from the minibars kit as you have plenty of 1.25u mod options which can be utilized instead. 

40s/Ortho kit:
  • There appears to be two R2 1.5u "Enter" keys offered. You only need one.
  • 40s layouts which utilize a 1.75u spacebar use two and not one (JD40/45). However, since you offer the R1 1.75u lock key (for Minivan), it is not strictly necessary to add a second 1.75u spacebar as this key could be used as a spacebar.

Novelties:
  • I really like these. Well done!

I mostly agree, except I think that 1.25u spacekeys should be kept as they are useful for several layouts: Alice & similar (2u+1.25u), standard 6.25u split spacebar (2.75u+1.25u+2.25u, 2.25u+1.25u+2.75u), etc. A 1u spacekey is also useful for Alice, so one (of each color) should be dropped and the other should be kept.


Some further feedback on the kits:

Alphas kits
  • The green R4 1u \| / keys can be removed from the alphas kits. See here for an explanation.
  • The katakana alphas kits are missing a R4 1u key. This is the prolonged sound mark character, which is required for proper coverage of JP layouts. Example (this is a hiragana kit, but it's the same with katakana).
  • ISO/JIS alpha keys are missing from both kits. I suggest including R2 1u \|, R1 1u <> in the Latin alphas (example); and R2 1u , R1 1u in the katakana alphas (example).

Mods kits
  • I suggest moving R5 1u Del from the numpad kits to the mods kits because this key is useful for 75% layouts. Example.
  • I also suggest including a R5 1u F13 key (green) in the mods kits.
  • The second R1 1u Ctrl can be removed from the mods kits, as this key isn't used on any modern ≥60% layouts.
  • As for the second R1 1u Alt key, it isn't useful unless you're also going to have 1.5u Sys keys in the mods kits (for Mac and OG HHKB bottom rows). You have a few (mutually exclusive) options here:
    • remove the second R1 1u Alt; or
    • keep it and add two R1 1.5u Sys keys; or
    • keep it and add one R1 1.5u Sys key (leaving R1 1.5u Fn to serve as the second one).
  • The conventional icon for Tab is rather than (top arrow is left-facing).

40s/Ortho kit
  • The following keys can be removed as they are totally useless:
    • R3 1u
    • second R2 1.5u replace it with a R2 1.5u or instead (this is for boards like Pearl)
    • R1 1.75u
  • Adding R2 1u is a must (for ortho boards).
  • Mod-colored R2 1u '" is also a must (for Planck and similar orthos).
  • Consider adding a R3 2u for Candybar and 13u staggered 40s (Pearl, JD45, Laplace...).
  • Optionally, add a 6.25u spacebar for staggered 40s, unless you intend for users of these boards to get the Spacebars kit.

International kits
  • All of the keys such as 2, 0, , should have lowercase legends for the alpha characters.
  • These two keys: can be removed from the French kit as they are not used in practice.

I may be missing a thing or two, but this is good enough for now.
« Last Edit: Sat, 29 August 2020, 09:57:03 by konstantin »

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« Reply #53 on: Sat, 29 August 2020, 09:56:21 »
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A few more notes on your katakana alphas:

It looks like you opted to come up with your own variation of the Japanese layout rather than use one of the standard ones? For example, , , , keys are missing; and are in the wrong positions; there are duplicate and legends; and and (an obsolete kana), which I haven't seen included as primary legends before, are present in the kit.

For reference, this is the standard ANSI-based Japanese katakana layout:



I recommend basing your kit off of this. So, for example:
  • should be moved to the tilde position (in both white and green);
  • should be moved to the pipe position (on both the R4 1u and white/green R3 1.5u keys);
  • the green R4 1u pipe key should be removed, as mentioned in my previous post;
  • R4 should be replaced with ;
  • the second R2 should be replaced with ;
  • , should be placed on the bracket keys (you can have dotted boxes around these symbols to help them fit in aesthetically; example).
In addition to this, you should include the following keys for ISO and JIS support:
  • R2 1u ム
  • R1 1u ロ
  • R4 1u ー
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« Last Edit: Sat, 29 August 2020, 10:14:29 by konstantin »

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« Reply #54 on: Sat, 29 August 2020, 11:50:08 »
Yes, please

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« Reply #55 on: Sun, 30 August 2020, 19:04:53 »
A few points of feedback:

Minibars kit:
 
  • You can safely drop the 2x 1u green spacebars because they are already offered in the ortho/40s kit and there are not any larger layouts which utilize 2x 1u spacebars
  • Because you already offer them in green in the 40s/Ortho kit, I recommend dropping the white and pink 2x 1u spacebars. This frees up 6u of space in the minibars kits. I doubt anyone picking up the 40s/Ortho kit will also pick up minibars just for different colored 1u spacebars.
  • In my opinion, you can drop all of the 1.25u spacebars from the minibars kit as you have plenty of 1.25u mod options which can be utilized instead. 

40s/Ortho kit:
  • There appears to be two R2 1.5u "Enter" keys offered. You only need one.
  • 40s layouts which utilize a 1.75u spacebar use two and not one (JD40/45). However, since you offer the R1 1.75u lock key (for Minivan), it is not strictly necessary to add a second 1.75u spacebar as this key could be used as a spacebar.

Novelties:
  • I really like these. Well done!

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A few more notes on your katakana alphas:

It looks like you opted to come up with your own variation of the Japanese layout rather than use one of the standard ones? For example, , , , keys are missing; and are in the wrong positions; there are duplicate and legends; and and (an obsolete kana), which I haven't seen included as primary legends before, are present in the kit.

For reference, this is the standard ANSI-based Japanese katakana layout:

Show Image


I recommend basing your kit off of this. So, for example:
  • should be moved to the tilde position (in both white and green);
  • should be moved to the pipe position (on both the R4 1u and white/green R3 1.5u keys);
  • the green R4 1u pipe key should be removed, as mentioned in my previous post;
  • R4 should be replaced with ;
  • the second R2 should be replaced with ;
  • , should be placed on the bracket keys (you can have dotted boxes around these symbols to help them fit in aesthetically; example).
In addition to this, you should include the following keys for ISO and JIS support:
  • R2 1u ム
  • R1 1u ロ
  • R4 1u ー
Further reading

A few points of feedback:

Minibars kit:
  • You can safely drop the 2x 1u green spacebars because they are already offered in the ortho/40s kit and there are not any larger layouts which utilize 2x 1u spacebars
  • Because you already offer them in green in the 40s/Ortho kit, I recommend dropping the white and pink 2x 1u spacebars. This frees up 6u of space in the minibars kits. I doubt anyone picking up the 40s/Ortho kit will also pick up minibars just for different colored 1u spacebars.
  • In my opinion, you can drop all of the 1.25u spacebars from the minibars kit as you have plenty of 1.25u mod options which can be utilized instead. 

40s/Ortho kit:
  • There appears to be two R2 1.5u "Enter" keys offered. You only need one.
  • 40s layouts which utilize a 1.75u spacebar use two and not one (JD40/45). However, since you offer the R1 1.75u lock key (for Minivan), it is not strictly necessary to add a second 1.75u spacebar as this key could be used as a spacebar.

Novelties:
  • I really like these. Well done!

I mostly agree, except I think that 1.25u spacekeys should be kept as they are useful for several layouts: Alice & similar (2u+1.25u), standard 6.25u split spacebar (2.75u+1.25u+2.25u, 2.25u+1.25u+2.75u), etc. A 1u spacekey is also useful for Alice, so one (of each color) should be dropped and the other should be kept.


Some further feedback on the kits:

Alphas kits
  • The green R4 1u \| / keys can be removed from the alphas kits. See here for an explanation.
  • The katakana alphas kits are missing a R4 1u key. This is the prolonged sound mark character, which is required for proper coverage of JP layouts. Example (this is a hiragana kit, but it's the same with katakana).
  • ISO/JIS alpha keys are missing from both kits. I suggest including R2 1u \|, R1 1u <> in the Latin alphas (example); and R2 1u , R1 1u in the katakana alphas (example).

Mods kits
  • I suggest moving R5 1u Del from the numpad kits to the mods kits because this key is useful for 75% layouts. Example.
  • I also suggest including a R5 1u F13 key (green) in the mods kits.
  • The second R1 1u Ctrl can be removed from the mods kits, as this key isn't used on any modern ≥60% layouts.
  • As for the second R1 1u Alt key, it isn't useful unless you're also going to have 1.5u Sys keys in the mods kits (for Mac and OG HHKB bottom rows). You have a few (mutually exclusive) options here:
    • remove the second R1 1u Alt; or
    • keep it and add two R1 1.5u Sys keys; or
    • keep it and add one R1 1.5u Sys key (leaving R1 1.5u Fn to serve as the second one).
  • The conventional icon for Tab is rather than (top arrow is left-facing).

40s/Ortho kit
  • The following keys can be removed as they are totally useless:
    • R3 1u
    • second R2 1.5u replace it with a R2 1.5u or instead (this is for boards like Pearl)
    • R1 1.75u
  • Adding R2 1u is a must (for ortho boards).
  • Mod-colored R2 1u '" is also a must (for Planck and similar orthos).
  • Consider adding a R3 2u for Candybar and 13u staggered 40s (Pearl, JD45, Laplace...).
  • Optionally, add a 6.25u spacebar for staggered 40s, unless you intend for users of these boards to get the Spacebars kit.

International kits
  • All of the keys such as 2, 0, , should have lowercase legends for the alpha characters.
  • These two keys:
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    can be removed from the French kit as they are not used in practice.

I may be missing a thing or two, but this is good enough for now.

Thanks for the feedback y'all, super appreciate the depth. Going to go through this soon and make changes.

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« Reply #56 on: Fri, 11 September 2020, 16:41:23 »
I'm very glad you're offering a Colevrak kit.  I have a few suggestions to make it even better:
    It's probably just a mistake, but the R3 "I" isn't needed and an R3 "L" is missing.
    Please consider adding an icon backspace, especially since icon mods are sometimes more popular than text.
    Please consider adding an R2 "]}" keycap to support Wide mod.



Wide mod layout info for anyone interested:
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« Reply #57 on: Fri, 11 September 2020, 17:29:52 »
I'm very glad you're offering a Colevrak kit.  I have a few suggestions to make it even better:
    It's probably just a mistake, but the R3 "I" isn't needed and an R3 "L" is missing.
    Please consider adding an icon backspace, especially since icon mods are sometimes more popular than text.
    Please consider adding an R2 "]}" keycap to support Wide mod.

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Wide mod layout info for anyone interested:
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Thanks for the feedback!

  • Yep, that I is supposed to be an L. Will be updated in the next revision. I'm burning through a lot of changes right now.
  • I was not aware of the wide mod, that's interesting. I've never taken the alternate layout plunge so this is all very new to me. I will add the closing brackets key to R2.
  • Yes! Not adding an icon mod backspace was an oversight, it will be there with the new revisions.

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« Reply #58 on: Fri, 11 September 2020, 18:04:54 »
I've never taken the alternate layout plunge so this is all very new to me.

If you're curious, this post is my attempt at a summary of alternate layouts.

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« Reply #59 on: Sat, 12 September 2020, 06:19:52 »
Any chance that there will be a kit with English and Japanese subs? Looks super dope btw

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« Reply #60 on: Sat, 12 September 2020, 17:20:12 »
Any chance that there will be a kit with English and Japanese subs? Looks super dope btw

I toyed with the idea but I found the sublegends too busy, so I won't be adding them.

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« Reply #61 on: Sat, 12 September 2020, 21:26:02 »
Absolutely have to have this set.


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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 22:54:57 »
looks like a pastel version of miami theme actually....

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« Reply #63 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 13:24:38 »
Big updates to the set today! Check out the OP for collabs, new green color, all new kitting, and more. Full changelog:

More
* "aesthetic" katakana novelty changed to "vaporwave" katakana novelty
* basic TKL compatibility kit added
* katakana numpad numbers added to katakana alpha kits
* french, south, and north kits consolidated into international kit
* international and colevrak kits are now white instead of pink
* palm tree novelty redone with birds and sunset
* statue head redone to helios bust from floral shoppe cover
* abstract vaporwave novelty added
* more detail added to cherry blossom novelty
* fuji artisan redone
* apple and windows novelties moved into separate OS kit
* debian novelty added to OS kit
* pink mod kits added: text mods, icon mods, pink alpha numpad, white alpha numpad, 40s, ortho, ergo
* novelties and OS kits split out into pink and green kits
* 6.25u and 7u spacebars added to alpha kits
* spacebars removed from text and icon mod kits
* removed text from deskmat
* added accent color keys to 40s kits
* added katakana 'b' keys to minibars kit in each alpha color
* removed 1x 1u spacebar key from minibars kit in each color
* removed mod colored pipe key from alphas
* fixed katakana legends
* added basic ISO compatibility to alpha kits
* moved R5 1u delete key from numpads to text and icon mods kits
* added F13 key to text and icon mods kits
* removed 1x 1u ctrl key from text and icon mods kits
* add 1x R1 1.5 sys key to text and icon mod kits
* fixed tab icon (flipped along the x axis)
* split 40s and ortho kits into separate kits
* removed R1 1.75u enter from 40s kit
* added R2 1u enter to ortho kits
* added R2 1u '" mod colored key to ortho kits
* added R3 2u backspace to 40s kits
* added 6.25u spacebar to 40s kits
* various changes to ergo kits for better compatibility
* added second 2u space to 40s and ortho kits
* fixed I --> L in colevrak kit
* added wide mod support to colevrak kit
* added icon backspace to colevrak kit
* added pink mod keys to colevrak and international kits
* changed white alpha kit text color from purple to pink
* removed ergo blank kit
* changed the green used for the mods
* added pink mod colored tilde and pipe to white alpha kits
* added white novelty kit
* add text pause key to numpad

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« Reply #64 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 19:05:19 »
Big updates to the set today! Check out the OP for collabs, new green color, all new kitting, and more. Full changelog:

More
* "aesthetic" katakana novelty changed to "vaporwave" katakana novelty
* basic TKL compatibility kit added
* katakana numpad numbers added to katakana alpha kits
* french, south, and north kits consolidated into international kit
* international and colevrak kits are now white instead of pink
* palm tree novelty redone with birds and sunset
* statue head redone to helios bust from floral shoppe cover
* abstract vaporwave novelty added
* more detail added to cherry blossom novelty
* fuji artisan redone
* apple and windows novelties moved into separate OS kit
* debian novelty added to OS kit
* pink mod kits added: text mods, icon mods, pink alpha numpad, white alpha numpad, 40s, ortho, ergo
* novelties and OS kits split out into pink and green kits
* 6.25u and 7u spacebars added to alpha kits
* spacebars removed from text and icon mod kits
* removed text from deskmat
* added accent color keys to 40s kits
* added katakana 'b' keys to minibars kit in each alpha color
* removed 1x 1u spacebar key from minibars kit in each color
* removed mod colored pipe key from alphas
* fixed katakana legends
* added basic ISO compatibility to alpha kits
* moved R5 1u delete key from numpads to text and icon mods kits
* added F13 key to text and icon mods kits
* removed 1x 1u ctrl key from text and icon mods kits
* add 1x R1 1.5 sys key to text and icon mod kits
* fixed tab icon (flipped along the x axis)
* split 40s and ortho kits into separate kits
* removed R1 1.75u enter from 40s kit
* added R2 1u enter to ortho kits
* added R2 1u '" mod colored key to ortho kits
* added R3 2u backspace to 40s kits
* added 6.25u spacebar to 40s kits
* various changes to ergo kits for better compatibility
* added second 2u space to 40s and ortho kits
* fixed I --> L in colevrak kit
* added wide mod support to colevrak kit
* added icon backspace to colevrak kit
* added pink mod keys to colevrak and international kits
* changed white alpha kit text color from purple to pink
* removed ergo blank kit
* changed the green used for the mods
* added pink mod colored tilde and pipe to white alpha kits
* added white novelty kit
* add text pause key to numpad

Now that's an update if I've ever seen one. Really exciting to see all the work you're putting in on this. Can't wait for the GB!

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Confirmed some vendors!

Canada: Deskhero
Europe: mykeyboard.eu
Australia: Daily Clack

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I like it alot, but personally I think the pink alphas would be better with white graphics.

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Confirmed some vendors!

Canada: Deskhero
Europe: mykeyboard.eu
Australia: Daily Clack

Fingers crossed for Cannonkeys or TX for US

Feedback:
There are a ****ton of keys in the ergo set. I love it.
I'll be honest through. I have tried to fill out the latest IC (honestly) like a dozen times and had to close it without completing each time.
There are so many sets I really just cannot decide. I love the fact that you have options for combinations of everything but also I've got decision paralysis because of it.

Maybe talk to vendors about taking a cue from SA Sculpted Bliss and put ALL THE KITS into a single slightly discounted package?
I mean you'd only have to sell like 2 of those to hit MOQ.

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Some good updates today!

Added US vendor CannonKeys!
Added artisan collabs with deagcaps and Capsmiths!

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Some good updates today!

Added US vendor CannonKeys!
Added artisan collabs with deagcaps and Capsmiths!

Let's go! Upas and CannonKeys are great peeps; glad to see them on board as the vendors

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - US vendor confirmed, more artisan collabs added!
« Reply #71 on: Sun, 25 October 2020, 14:34:46 »
One more artisan collab confirmed! Very excited to announce we'll be working with Latrialum

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #72 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 14:00:30 »
Well it's been an interesting month but we're just about ready for Group Buy, but with a ton of changes! Check out the new ePBT Aesthetic in the OP! Group Buy starts March 1st.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #73 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 14:34:48 »
This is definitely my GB purchase for March!

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« Reply #74 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 17:04:23 »
I only drink Pu'er but this is awesome.

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« Reply #75 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 17:41:43 »
This is hot

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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 18:26:38 »
Not sure if it's just the resolution, but it looks like there might be a typo on the novelty enter? I see ヴェイパーウェイウ instead of ヴェイパーウェイヴ, last kana is missing the " on the side.

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« Reply #77 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 19:51:54 »
Not sure if it's just the resolution, but it looks like there might be a typo on the novelty enter? I see ヴェイパーウェイウ instead of ヴェイパーウェイヴ, last kana is missing the " on the side.

Came here to ask about this as well. Great looking set!

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #78 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 20:04:06 »
Nice to see this change,.. finally! A very good one, if I may add.
Great job to TS (dede) and amazing renders, Plop!

If it's not too much of a trouble, would you provide render of Aesthetic on full-sized board? Just for us full-sized user to be convinced on how awesome this set looks on a big board.
Thanks, and GLWGB!

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« Reply #79 on: Fri, 19 February 2021, 00:33:07 »
Nice to see this change,.. finally! A very good one, if I may add.
Great job to TS (dede) and amazing renders, Plop!

If it's not too much of a trouble, would you provide render of Aesthetic on full-sized board? Just for us full-sized user to be convinced on how awesome this set looks on a big board.
Thanks, and GLWGB!

Thanks bud! I'll see what I can do for you :)

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« Reply #80 on: Fri, 19 February 2021, 00:38:51 »
Not sure if it's just the resolution, but it looks like there might be a typo on the novelty enter? I see ヴェイパーウェイウ instead of ヴェイパーウェイヴ, last kana is missing the " on the side.

Not sure if it's just the resolution, but it looks like there might be a typo on the novelty enter? I see ヴェイパーウェイウ instead of ヴェイパーウェイヴ, last kana is missing the " on the side.

Came here to ask about this as well. Great looking set!

Thank you both for pointing that out! I'll look into it

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 19 February 2021, 03:28:26 »
Ill get one Alt and base kit plus 2 of the deskmat thank you  :p :p :p :p

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« Reply #82 on: Tue, 23 February 2021, 12:23:47 »
Thanks for the feedback everyone! Made some changes based on valuable feedback:

* row numbers for the Katakana alphas were mislabeled, that's been fixed
* the vaporwave katakana enter novelty had a slight typo, that's also been fixed
* an international kit has been added with NorDe support

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #83 on: Tue, 23 February 2021, 14:26:50 »
This is looking pretty sweet, damn. And the deskmats are nice too. Only thing I would change are the nav cluster icons, they seem a little too boomboxy if that makes sense. Like the icons you'd see on radio buttons. I think they could be adjusted to be a little more artsy/minimal to go with the other more traditional looking mods.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #84 on: Wed, 24 February 2021, 23:57:16 »
Any thoughts on adding generic ISO support to the base and alt kits instead of having both an ISO kit and an international kit? Using R4 "><" and R3"\|" keys is a common way to accomplish this. I'm sure a lot of ISO folks would appreciate ISO in the base, and a NorDeUK kit for those that want to have more specific ISO keys.

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« Reply #85 on: Thu, 25 February 2021, 14:05:30 »
Any thoughts on adding generic ISO support to the base and alt kits instead of having both an ISO kit and an international kit? Using R4 "><" and R3"\|" keys is a common way to accomplish this. I'm sure a lot of ISO folks would appreciate ISO in the base, and a NorDeUK kit for those that want to have more specific ISO keys.

I may do this depending on pricing but no promises

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 8th
« Reply #86 on: Thu, 25 February 2021, 14:06:06 »
We are delaying the GB start date just slightly so that everything can be ready to go on the start date; group buy will now begin March 8th!

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 8th
« Reply #87 on: Sat, 27 February 2021, 20:09:39 »
When I type will lo-fi start playing?

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« Reply #88 on: Sat, 27 February 2021, 20:18:02 »
I do like the colorway, but I like the cityscape deskmat even more. Absolutely brilliant design.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 8th
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 28 February 2021, 11:46:13 »
When I type will lo-fi start playing?

I need to get a board with a piezo speaker to do just that

I do like the colorway, but I like the cityscape deskmat even more. Absolutely brilliant design.

1stGarden is fantastic! Be sure to check out his site https://1st.garden/ for his prints and stream. We're working on a last-minute third deskmat for the set, check out his streams to see it get made!