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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 16:48:43 »
Love the idea.  One of my favourite spring ink combinations are the iroshizuku chiku-rin with kosumosu. 

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that I think a lighter shade of green should work better.  It's too strong of a green, and I believe that instead of complimenting the pink, I think it overpowers it instead.

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 17:32:03 »
I just need a date, these are ready to go in my eyes lmaooo

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #52 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 18:09:23 »
A few points of feedback:

Minibars kit:
  • You can safely drop the 2x 1u green spacebars because they are already offered in the ortho/40s kit and there are not any larger layouts which utilize 2x 1u spacebars
  • Because you already offer them in green in the 40s/Ortho kit, I recommend dropping the white and pink 2x 1u spacebars. This frees up 6u of space in the minibars kits. I doubt anyone picking up the 40s/Ortho kit will also pick up minibars just for different colored 1u spacebars.
  • In my opinion, you can drop all of the 1.25u spacebars from the minibars kit as you have plenty of 1.25u mod options which can be utilized instead. 

40s/Ortho kit:
  • There appears to be two R2 1.5u "Enter" keys offered. You only need one.
  • 40s layouts which utilize a 1.75u spacebar use two and not one (JD40/45). However, since you offer the R1 1.75u lock key (for Minivan), it is not strictly necessary to add a second 1.75u spacebar as this key could be used as a spacebar.

Novelties:
  • I really like these. Well done!

I mostly agree, except I think that 1.25u spacekeys should be kept as they are useful for several layouts: Alice & similar (2u+1.25u), standard 6.25u split spacebar (2.75u+1.25u+2.25u, 2.25u+1.25u+2.75u), etc. A 1u spacekey is also useful for Alice, so one (of each color) should be dropped and the other should be kept.


Some further feedback on the kits:

Alphas kits
  • The green R4 1u \| / keys can be removed from the alphas kits. See here for an explanation.
  • The katakana alphas kits are missing a R4 1u key. This is the prolonged sound mark character, which is required for proper coverage of JP layouts. Example (this is a hiragana kit, but it's the same with katakana).
  • ISO/JIS alpha keys are missing from both kits. I suggest including R2 1u \|, R1 1u <> in the Latin alphas (example); and R2 1u , R1 1u in the katakana alphas (example).

Mods kits
  • I suggest moving R5 1u Del from the numpad kits to the mods kits because this key is useful for 75% layouts. Example.
  • I also suggest including a R5 1u F13 key (green) in the mods kits.
  • The second R1 1u Ctrl can be removed from the mods kits, as this key isn't used on any modern ≥60% layouts.
  • As for the second R1 1u Alt key, it isn't useful unless you're also going to have 1.5u Sys keys in the mods kits (for Mac and OG HHKB bottom rows). You have a few (mutually exclusive) options here:
    • remove the second R1 1u Alt; or
    • keep it and add two R1 1.5u Sys keys; or
    • keep it and add one R1 1.5u Sys key (leaving R1 1.5u Fn to serve as the second one).
  • The conventional icon for Tab is rather than (top arrow is left-facing).

40s/Ortho kit
  • The following keys can be removed as they are totally useless:
    • R3 1u
    • second R2 1.5u replace it with a R2 1.5u or instead (this is for boards like Pearl)
    • R1 1.75u
  • Adding R2 1u is a must (for ortho boards).
  • Mod-colored R2 1u '" is also a must (for Planck and similar orthos).
  • Consider adding a R3 2u for Candybar and 13u staggered 40s (Pearl, JD45, Laplace...).
  • Optionally, add a 6.25u spacebar for staggered 40s, unless you intend for users of these boards to get the Spacebars kit.

International kits
  • All of the keys such as 2, 0, , should have lowercase legends for the alpha characters.
  • These two keys: can be removed from the French kit as they are not used in practice.

I may be missing a thing or two, but this is good enough for now.
« Last Edit: Sat, 29 August 2020, 09:57:03 by konstantin »

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 29 August 2020, 09:56:21 »
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A few more notes on your katakana alphas:

It looks like you opted to come up with your own variation of the Japanese layout rather than use one of the standard ones? For example, , , , keys are missing; and are in the wrong positions; there are duplicate and legends; and and (an obsolete kana), which I haven't seen included as primary legends before, are present in the kit.

For reference, this is the standard ANSI-based Japanese katakana layout:



I recommend basing your kit off of this. So, for example:
  • should be moved to the tilde position (in both white and green);
  • should be moved to the pipe position (on both the R4 1u and white/green R3 1.5u keys);
  • the green R4 1u pipe key should be removed, as mentioned in my previous post;
  • R4 should be replaced with ;
  • the second R2 should be replaced with ;
  • , should be placed on the bracket keys (you can have dotted boxes around these symbols to help them fit in aesthetically; example).
In addition to this, you should include the following keys for ISO and JIS support:
  • R2 1u ム
  • R1 1u ロ
  • R4 1u ー
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« Last Edit: Sat, 29 August 2020, 10:14:29 by konstantin »

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #54 on: Sat, 29 August 2020, 11:50:08 »
Yes, please

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 30 August 2020, 19:04:53 »
A few points of feedback:

Minibars kit:
 
  • You can safely drop the 2x 1u green spacebars because they are already offered in the ortho/40s kit and there are not any larger layouts which utilize 2x 1u spacebars
  • Because you already offer them in green in the 40s/Ortho kit, I recommend dropping the white and pink 2x 1u spacebars. This frees up 6u of space in the minibars kits. I doubt anyone picking up the 40s/Ortho kit will also pick up minibars just for different colored 1u spacebars.
  • In my opinion, you can drop all of the 1.25u spacebars from the minibars kit as you have plenty of 1.25u mod options which can be utilized instead. 

40s/Ortho kit:
  • There appears to be two R2 1.5u "Enter" keys offered. You only need one.
  • 40s layouts which utilize a 1.75u spacebar use two and not one (JD40/45). However, since you offer the R1 1.75u lock key (for Minivan), it is not strictly necessary to add a second 1.75u spacebar as this key could be used as a spacebar.

Novelties:
  • I really like these. Well done!

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A few more notes on your katakana alphas:

It looks like you opted to come up with your own variation of the Japanese layout rather than use one of the standard ones? For example, , , , keys are missing; and are in the wrong positions; there are duplicate and legends; and and (an obsolete kana), which I haven't seen included as primary legends before, are present in the kit.

For reference, this is the standard ANSI-based Japanese katakana layout:

Show Image


I recommend basing your kit off of this. So, for example:
  • should be moved to the tilde position (in both white and green);
  • should be moved to the pipe position (on both the R4 1u and white/green R3 1.5u keys);
  • the green R4 1u pipe key should be removed, as mentioned in my previous post;
  • R4 should be replaced with ;
  • the second R2 should be replaced with ;
  • , should be placed on the bracket keys (you can have dotted boxes around these symbols to help them fit in aesthetically; example).
In addition to this, you should include the following keys for ISO and JIS support:
  • R2 1u ム
  • R1 1u ロ
  • R4 1u ー
Further reading

A few points of feedback:

Minibars kit:
  • You can safely drop the 2x 1u green spacebars because they are already offered in the ortho/40s kit and there are not any larger layouts which utilize 2x 1u spacebars
  • Because you already offer them in green in the 40s/Ortho kit, I recommend dropping the white and pink 2x 1u spacebars. This frees up 6u of space in the minibars kits. I doubt anyone picking up the 40s/Ortho kit will also pick up minibars just for different colored 1u spacebars.
  • In my opinion, you can drop all of the 1.25u spacebars from the minibars kit as you have plenty of 1.25u mod options which can be utilized instead. 

40s/Ortho kit:
  • There appears to be two R2 1.5u "Enter" keys offered. You only need one.
  • 40s layouts which utilize a 1.75u spacebar use two and not one (JD40/45). However, since you offer the R1 1.75u lock key (for Minivan), it is not strictly necessary to add a second 1.75u spacebar as this key could be used as a spacebar.

Novelties:
  • I really like these. Well done!

I mostly agree, except I think that 1.25u spacekeys should be kept as they are useful for several layouts: Alice & similar (2u+1.25u), standard 6.25u split spacebar (2.75u+1.25u+2.25u, 2.25u+1.25u+2.75u), etc. A 1u spacekey is also useful for Alice, so one (of each color) should be dropped and the other should be kept.


Some further feedback on the kits:

Alphas kits
  • The green R4 1u \| / keys can be removed from the alphas kits. See here for an explanation.
  • The katakana alphas kits are missing a R4 1u key. This is the prolonged sound mark character, which is required for proper coverage of JP layouts. Example (this is a hiragana kit, but it's the same with katakana).
  • ISO/JIS alpha keys are missing from both kits. I suggest including R2 1u \|, R1 1u <> in the Latin alphas (example); and R2 1u , R1 1u in the katakana alphas (example).

Mods kits
  • I suggest moving R5 1u Del from the numpad kits to the mods kits because this key is useful for 75% layouts. Example.
  • I also suggest including a R5 1u F13 key (green) in the mods kits.
  • The second R1 1u Ctrl can be removed from the mods kits, as this key isn't used on any modern ≥60% layouts.
  • As for the second R1 1u Alt key, it isn't useful unless you're also going to have 1.5u Sys keys in the mods kits (for Mac and OG HHKB bottom rows). You have a few (mutually exclusive) options here:
    • remove the second R1 1u Alt; or
    • keep it and add two R1 1.5u Sys keys; or
    • keep it and add one R1 1.5u Sys key (leaving R1 1.5u Fn to serve as the second one).
  • The conventional icon for Tab is rather than (top arrow is left-facing).

40s/Ortho kit
  • The following keys can be removed as they are totally useless:
    • R3 1u
    • second R2 1.5u replace it with a R2 1.5u or instead (this is for boards like Pearl)
    • R1 1.75u
  • Adding R2 1u is a must (for ortho boards).
  • Mod-colored R2 1u '" is also a must (for Planck and similar orthos).
  • Consider adding a R3 2u for Candybar and 13u staggered 40s (Pearl, JD45, Laplace...).
  • Optionally, add a 6.25u spacebar for staggered 40s, unless you intend for users of these boards to get the Spacebars kit.

International kits
  • All of the keys such as 2, 0, , should have lowercase legends for the alpha characters.
  • These two keys:
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    can be removed from the French kit as they are not used in practice.

I may be missing a thing or two, but this is good enough for now.

Thanks for the feedback y'all, super appreciate the depth. Going to go through this soon and make changes.

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 11 September 2020, 16:41:23 »
I'm very glad you're offering a Colevrak kit.  I have a few suggestions to make it even better:
    It's probably just a mistake, but the R3 "I" isn't needed and an R3 "L" is missing.
    Please consider adding an icon backspace, especially since icon mods are sometimes more popular than text.
    Please consider adding an R2 "]}" keycap to support Wide mod.



Wide mod layout info for anyone interested:
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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 11 September 2020, 17:29:52 »
I'm very glad you're offering a Colevrak kit.  I have a few suggestions to make it even better:
    It's probably just a mistake, but the R3 "I" isn't needed and an R3 "L" is missing.
    Please consider adding an icon backspace, especially since icon mods are sometimes more popular than text.
    Please consider adding an R2 "]}" keycap to support Wide mod.

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Wide mod layout info for anyone interested:
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Thanks for the feedback!

  • Yep, that I is supposed to be an L. Will be updated in the next revision. I'm burning through a lot of changes right now.
  • I was not aware of the wide mod, that's interesting. I've never taken the alternate layout plunge so this is all very new to me. I will add the closing brackets key to R2.
  • Yes! Not adding an icon mod backspace was an oversight, it will be there with the new revisions.

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 11 September 2020, 18:04:54 »
I've never taken the alternate layout plunge so this is all very new to me.

If you're curious, this post is my attempt at a summary of alternate layouts.

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #59 on: Sat, 12 September 2020, 06:19:52 »
Any chance that there will be a kit with English and Japanese subs? Looks super dope btw

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #60 on: Sat, 12 September 2020, 17:20:12 »
Any chance that there will be a kit with English and Japanese subs? Looks super dope btw

I toyed with the idea but I found the sublegends too busy, so I won't be adding them.

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #61 on: Sat, 12 September 2020, 21:26:02 »
Absolutely have to have this set.


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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 22:54:57 »
looks like a pastel version of miami theme actually....

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 13:24:38 »
Big updates to the set today! Check out the OP for collabs, new green color, all new kitting, and more. Full changelog:

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* "aesthetic" katakana novelty changed to "vaporwave" katakana novelty
* basic TKL compatibility kit added
* katakana numpad numbers added to katakana alpha kits
* french, south, and north kits consolidated into international kit
* international and colevrak kits are now white instead of pink
* palm tree novelty redone with birds and sunset
* statue head redone to helios bust from floral shoppe cover
* abstract vaporwave novelty added
* more detail added to cherry blossom novelty
* fuji artisan redone
* apple and windows novelties moved into separate OS kit
* debian novelty added to OS kit
* pink mod kits added: text mods, icon mods, pink alpha numpad, white alpha numpad, 40s, ortho, ergo
* novelties and OS kits split out into pink and green kits
* 6.25u and 7u spacebars added to alpha kits
* spacebars removed from text and icon mod kits
* removed text from deskmat
* added accent color keys to 40s kits
* added katakana 'b' keys to minibars kit in each alpha color
* removed 1x 1u spacebar key from minibars kit in each color
* removed mod colored pipe key from alphas
* fixed katakana legends
* added basic ISO compatibility to alpha kits
* moved R5 1u delete key from numpads to text and icon mods kits
* added F13 key to text and icon mods kits
* removed 1x 1u ctrl key from text and icon mods kits
* add 1x R1 1.5 sys key to text and icon mod kits
* fixed tab icon (flipped along the x axis)
* split 40s and ortho kits into separate kits
* removed R1 1.75u enter from 40s kit
* added R2 1u enter to ortho kits
* added R2 1u '" mod colored key to ortho kits
* added R3 2u backspace to 40s kits
* added 6.25u spacebar to 40s kits
* various changes to ergo kits for better compatibility
* added second 2u space to 40s and ortho kits
* fixed I --> L in colevrak kit
* added wide mod support to colevrak kit
* added icon backspace to colevrak kit
* added pink mod keys to colevrak and international kits
* changed white alpha kit text color from purple to pink
* removed ergo blank kit
* changed the green used for the mods
* added pink mod colored tilde and pipe to white alpha kits
* added white novelty kit
* add text pause key to numpad

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - Renders and Kitting added!
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 19:05:19 »
Big updates to the set today! Check out the OP for collabs, new green color, all new kitting, and more. Full changelog:

More
* "aesthetic" katakana novelty changed to "vaporwave" katakana novelty
* basic TKL compatibility kit added
* katakana numpad numbers added to katakana alpha kits
* french, south, and north kits consolidated into international kit
* international and colevrak kits are now white instead of pink
* palm tree novelty redone with birds and sunset
* statue head redone to helios bust from floral shoppe cover
* abstract vaporwave novelty added
* more detail added to cherry blossom novelty
* fuji artisan redone
* apple and windows novelties moved into separate OS kit
* debian novelty added to OS kit
* pink mod kits added: text mods, icon mods, pink alpha numpad, white alpha numpad, 40s, ortho, ergo
* novelties and OS kits split out into pink and green kits
* 6.25u and 7u spacebars added to alpha kits
* spacebars removed from text and icon mod kits
* removed text from deskmat
* added accent color keys to 40s kits
* added katakana 'b' keys to minibars kit in each alpha color
* removed 1x 1u spacebar key from minibars kit in each color
* removed mod colored pipe key from alphas
* fixed katakana legends
* added basic ISO compatibility to alpha kits
* moved R5 1u delete key from numpads to text and icon mods kits
* added F13 key to text and icon mods kits
* removed 1x 1u ctrl key from text and icon mods kits
* add 1x R1 1.5 sys key to text and icon mod kits
* fixed tab icon (flipped along the x axis)
* split 40s and ortho kits into separate kits
* removed R1 1.75u enter from 40s kit
* added R2 1u enter to ortho kits
* added R2 1u '" mod colored key to ortho kits
* added R3 2u backspace to 40s kits
* added 6.25u spacebar to 40s kits
* various changes to ergo kits for better compatibility
* added second 2u space to 40s and ortho kits
* fixed I --> L in colevrak kit
* added wide mod support to colevrak kit
* added icon backspace to colevrak kit
* added pink mod keys to colevrak and international kits
* changed white alpha kit text color from purple to pink
* removed ergo blank kit
* changed the green used for the mods
* added pink mod colored tilde and pipe to white alpha kits
* added white novelty kit
* add text pause key to numpad

Now that's an update if I've ever seen one. Really exciting to see all the work you're putting in on this. Can't wait for the GB!

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Confirmed some vendors!

Canada: Deskhero
Europe: mykeyboard.eu
Australia: Daily Clack

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I like it alot, but personally I think the pink alphas would be better with white graphics.

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Confirmed some vendors!

Canada: Deskhero
Europe: mykeyboard.eu
Australia: Daily Clack

Fingers crossed for Cannonkeys or TX for US

Feedback:
There are a ****ton of keys in the ergo set. I love it.
I'll be honest through. I have tried to fill out the latest IC (honestly) like a dozen times and had to close it without completing each time.
There are so many sets I really just cannot decide. I love the fact that you have options for combinations of everything but also I've got decision paralysis because of it.

Maybe talk to vendors about taking a cue from SA Sculpted Bliss and put ALL THE KITS into a single slightly discounted package?
I mean you'd only have to sell like 2 of those to hit MOQ.

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Some good updates today!

Added US vendor CannonKeys!
Added artisan collabs with deagcaps and Capsmiths!

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Some good updates today!

Added US vendor CannonKeys!
Added artisan collabs with deagcaps and Capsmiths!

Let's go! Upas and CannonKeys are great peeps; glad to see them on board as the vendors

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Re: [IC] KAT Aesthetic - US vendor confirmed, more artisan collabs added!
« Reply #71 on: Sun, 25 October 2020, 14:34:46 »
One more artisan collab confirmed! Very excited to announce we'll be working with Latrialum

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #72 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 14:00:30 »
Well it's been an interesting month but we're just about ready for Group Buy, but with a ton of changes! Check out the new ePBT Aesthetic in the OP! Group Buy starts March 1st.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #73 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 14:34:48 »
This is definitely my GB purchase for March!

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« Reply #74 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 17:04:23 »
I only drink Pu'er but this is awesome.

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« Reply #75 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 17:41:43 »
This is hot

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #76 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 18:26:38 »
Not sure if it's just the resolution, but it looks like there might be a typo on the novelty enter? I see ヴェイパーウェイウ instead of ヴェイパーウェイヴ, last kana is missing the " on the side.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #77 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 19:51:54 »
Not sure if it's just the resolution, but it looks like there might be a typo on the novelty enter? I see ヴェイパーウェイウ instead of ヴェイパーウェイヴ, last kana is missing the " on the side.

Came here to ask about this as well. Great looking set!

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #78 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 20:04:06 »
Nice to see this change,.. finally! A very good one, if I may add.
Great job to TS (dede) and amazing renders, Plop!

If it's not too much of a trouble, would you provide render of Aesthetic on full-sized board? Just for us full-sized user to be convinced on how awesome this set looks on a big board.
Thanks, and GLWGB!

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« Reply #79 on: Fri, 19 February 2021, 00:33:07 »
Nice to see this change,.. finally! A very good one, if I may add.
Great job to TS (dede) and amazing renders, Plop!

If it's not too much of a trouble, would you provide render of Aesthetic on full-sized board? Just for us full-sized user to be convinced on how awesome this set looks on a big board.
Thanks, and GLWGB!

Thanks bud! I'll see what I can do for you :)

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #80 on: Fri, 19 February 2021, 00:38:51 »
Not sure if it's just the resolution, but it looks like there might be a typo on the novelty enter? I see ヴェイパーウェイウ instead of ヴェイパーウェイヴ, last kana is missing the " on the side.

Not sure if it's just the resolution, but it looks like there might be a typo on the novelty enter? I see ヴェイパーウェイウ instead of ヴェイパーウェイヴ, last kana is missing the " on the side.

Came here to ask about this as well. Great looking set!

Thank you both for pointing that out! I'll look into it

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 19 February 2021, 03:28:26 »
Ill get one Alt and base kit plus 2 of the deskmat thank you  :p :p :p :p

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #82 on: Tue, 23 February 2021, 12:23:47 »
Thanks for the feedback everyone! Made some changes based on valuable feedback:

* row numbers for the Katakana alphas were mislabeled, that's been fixed
* the vaporwave katakana enter novelty had a slight typo, that's also been fixed
* an international kit has been added with NorDe support

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Re: [IC] ePBT Aesthetic | New kits and renders, Group Buy starts March 1st
« Reply #83 on: Tue, 23 February 2021, 14:26:50 »
This is looking pretty sweet, damn. And the deskmats are nice too. Only thing I would change are the nav cluster icons, they seem a little too boomboxy if that makes sense. Like the icons you'd see on radio buttons. I think they could be adjusted to be a little more artsy/minimal to go with the other more traditional looking mods.